Mudcat- Who is Who.

Subject: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Ellen. Cardiff.
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:38 PM

Hi all, sorry if this has asked before, I read some of these threads
the odd time at work, I support two folk clubs in South Wales, and I
will be in Sidmouth for the first time this year.
My question is, who are you all, is there anyone here I should know,
some of the people who post here I know, because they use their real
names, why do people need to use an alias on a folk music forum.
I see good, and not so good posts, on subjects that interest me, but
I would really like to know sometimes who you are, what you sing, did
you write anything I might know, etc, etc.
I suppose I could become a member, but you would still be strangers
to me, thank you for your time.

Ellen Carbury.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:40 PM

Become a member and likely you'll trade messages with people who wish to give you their bio, etc.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:42 PM

There have been numerous threads in the past about who we are, what we play, where we work, and what are little known facts about us. Take some time to learn how the forum and the filter works and you will find almost all the data you could ask for!


A

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Susan of DT
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:53 PM

Look for mudcat tee shirts at folk gatherings. Look in the quick links for a picture of Max wearing one so you know what to look for.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 07:58 PM

In the drop down box at the top right side of the page there is a heading called "Member Photos and Info". You can select the individual you wish to know more about and click on their photo to see what they look like or pull up their bio information under Profiles. Not all the Mudcatters have posted photos or info, but many have.

My name is Mike Campbell and I live in Anchorage, Alaska. I use the name Alaska Mike as an informal descriptive "handle". Those who post regularly to this forum know who I am and what kind of music I write and sing.

Become a member. Try it, you'll like it.

Mike

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:02 PM

there are a 'few' members who make an effort to NOT list real names, *(or not full names, anyway) but most just like their clever screen names, and would admit privately who they really are. (Some of us don't really care...my full name is in the threads in many places)

The thing is, Google finally found Mudcat after several years, and now seems to be actually indexing a lot of the threads, so posting a real name when you'd rather not be found in a search can be a problem...but Google can't read inside private messages, so being a member IS an advantage.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:02 PM

I'll second that Mike. The members' profiles can make interesting reading but some members you will only get to know by reading their posts over a period of time.

It doesn't cost anything to become a member but does give access to pms to other members and the auction.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,John Davenport. Skye.
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:39 PM

I beleive the Mudcat cafe would be a more authorative source on the subject of folk music if I knew the real identities of those professing to know about varios sugjects raised here would use real names,opinions are one thing, but those who can really answer questions raised here are often contadictory, and are confusing to those of us who would rather here from musicians, songwriters, and singers whose word we could really trust.
I find the facts of those using nik-names to be often wrong, at best. having said that the digital tradition is very helpfull.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:43 PM

Usually, when the issue is one of discussing personal experience with other folk, or personal experience with particular songs, the poster will identify him or herself. For example, you are posting as JD from Skye. But you have a GUEST prefix. What the would give your post any credence, because in fcat you could be anyone. No offense.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:43 PM

Hi Ellen,

Great to meet you.

My real name is Don Meixner and I live in New York where I'm known by assumed name of Don Meixner. You will notice if you read many threads that I have a thing about people using a name in their threads. Any name, real or imagined, I just like to have a name to talk to. Ellen is a great name.

You can find a little about me in the bios at www.theflyincolumn.com

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 08:57 PM

I find that Mudcat is just fine the way it is,Guest John. There is, in fact, an enormous wealth of knowledge regarding songs, singers and music in general, but most of us come here to converse with our friends and find out what's happening in the various locations where our friends reside.

We meet here to brag, console, laugh, inform, argue, share, whine, etc, etc. On ocassion, we even find ways to meet other members face to face and share our songs and stories over a glass or two. Non members are always welcome here to ask their questions, make their own observations, or join in the fun. If you want an "authorative source on the subject of folk music", this is it. But you will have to take it or leave it just the way it is.

Best wishes,
Mike

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 09:13 PM

Hi John,

Great to meet you too.

Mudcat has members who are record producers, well known songwriters, living legends (Sandy and Caroline, Art, Jean, Dick, Kendall) and some legends in the making (Bruce, well he's more of a rumor but we are working on that). We have some noted folklorists from this side of the pond (Frank). And we have some of the great singers in folkmusic today that stop by just to chew the fat.

We find academia to be important but social academia makes it better. Some times its nice to know that the guy you've been discussing whaling songs with also knows the Jaguar electrical system better than it's inventor, Joseph Lucas, The Prince of Darkness.

Stop by, have fun, pick a fight, win a friend.

Don

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,khandu
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 09:15 PM

I do not use my "real" name because cannot be pronounced properly. It is spelled "Ken Whitfield" & looks as though it should be pronounced "Ken Whitfield" but it is not. Tell the truth, I have not used it in so long, I have forgotten exactly how it is pronounced. When I tried to say it just now, it came out as something like "Ken Whitfield".

But it is of no matter because you do not know me, have never heard of me, and probably never shall.

But there are some great folk here whose name can be pronounced and some of whom you have surely heard. I, like others before me, encourage you to join and hang around and get to know us. There are some worthy discussions here!

Ken

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: freda underhill
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 09:21 PM

Hi Ellen

my mudcat name is Freda Underhill ( a relative of a certain Frodo Baggins/ Underhill when going incognito) and I work for a place that would flip if I spoke on the web under my real name (which is nothing like freda). writing as Freda gives me a freedom to say what i really would like to say.

welcome to Mudcat (occasionally known as madcap) - a wealth of music information and a network of great people!

best wishes

freda

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Little Robyn
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 09:57 PM

Hi Ellen, my details and photos are in the personal files but you'll probably need to join to find them.
My real name is Robyn and I'm not very big, hence the name, but you won't see me at any British or American festivals because I live in New Zealand!
Cheers,
Robyn

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Beer
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 10:20 PM

Hi Ellen,
My handle is Beer. I'm not very active because of other commitments but I do come back now and then. My birth name is Adrien Doucette. born in Prince Edward Island but for the past 36 years live in a wee town just outside Montreal Canada.
Join us.
Beer

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Beer
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 10:29 PM

Also run a folk festival at the following site. www.ormstownfair.com Just thought you might like to have a look.
Beer

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 10:48 PM

Hi Ellen,

My name is Azizi Powell. I post here as Azizi. Sometimes I sign my posts "Azizi Powell" or "Ms Azizi" or "Sista Azizi".

I startd adding a 'title' to my name from time to time because for what ever reason, some folks mistook me for a male {I mean, what's that all about??!!].

I don't play any instrument or sing professionally-unless you count the rhymes that I sing in interactive presentations that I conduct in the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area on children's game songs, rhymes, and cheers.

I love to read Mudcat threads and I love interacting with such an interesting, diverse, intelligent, creative group of people.

Please join us!


Azizi

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 10:57 PM

Yes!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 11:14 PM

One more thing, you may also click on any poster's name, at the top of any of their postings. That will take you to the first few lines of every post they've ever made so that you may pick and choose the ones that interest you and learn a bit about those posters.

Some people post under nicknames because of who they are in the real world...they value their ablity to not have to be "on stage" when they come to Mudcat. Having said that, though, I can think of two of them, Jean Ritchie and Roy Harris, well three, actually, including Harvey Andrews, who have been quite upfront with who they are and being MOST helpful. That goes along with the earlier posting noting our beloved Art Thieme, Sandy & Caroline Paton of Folk Legacy Records, Dick Greenhaus of Camsco and owner of the DT, plus scads more of people who really know their stuff! There are also many who have degrees but they don't shove them in anyone's face.

I guess what I am saying is don't take it for granted that someone under a nickname is NOT someone "big" in the folk/blues, etc. world. They often are.

I've been here over 7 years now and still learn every day. You can google me as Kat LaFrance (my real name) and find out a bit more, as well as from my postings.

Welcome to the Mudcat...it's worth being a member, imo.

kat

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: harpgirl
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 11:49 PM

hey, I'm out standing in my field....

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: wilbyhillbilly
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 11:58 PM

I hope its not raining

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:08 AM

Hi. My use-name is my own name, Art Brooks. I'd rather just use Art, but that's taken. I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and think of myself as part of that group that is vital to every musician...the audience. I hang out in the MudChat a lot...please join us there, but you do have to be a member to participate.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:14 AM

Hi Ellen - All I can do is re-iterate whats been said about joining , and having a look at the Members Info page . The piccy on MY profile was taken by a friend at Sidmouth a couple or s0 years ago , and i will be there again this year . Drop in to the New Tavern for a sing/play/chat .

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Kaleea
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:23 AM

From what I've seen here over the past few years, I believe that the folks who spend time here are pretty good folks. To assume that members who post under a nickname will give unreliable information sounds unreliable to me.
    By the way, "Kaleea" is my 'personage of indigenous peoples of North American ancestry' nick name--a shortened form of my personage of indigenous peoples of North American ancestry language name--which was given to me when I became an adult--sort of like Bas Mitzvah. My "real" given name (in english) is "Voice of Many Waters." I won't go into the my entire name in my personage of indigenous peoples of North American ancestry language because it is long, and difficult for most people to pronounce and spell. I won't even go into my Irish last name, it would take too long. Happy now? Will this give more authenticity to my posts now?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Matt R
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:24 AM

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 03:02 AM

Who am I?

I've always lived in a mansion
On the other side of the moon.
I've always kept a unicorn
And I never sing out of tune

I have a real name I don't like even though my parents went to the bother of getting a priest from outside the parish to baptise me because the incumbent regarded the name as 'heathen'. Countess Richard is a non-appearing character in Child #68 Young Hunting/Earl Richard. Each is an example of life mirroring art in a convoluted sort of way.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 03:16 AM

My question is, who are you all, is there anyone here I should know, some of the people who post here I know, because they use their real names, why do people need to use an alias on a folk music forum.

The only poster that you "should know" - and to always say nice things about - is Joe Offer. He does have some volunteers - to assist in imposing their personal judgement on the worth of your postings - but these volunteers will remain anonymous and their number unknown.

I may even be one of them. *Smiles*

Why the need for all this on a folk music forum? That is a very good question.............

Despite all the vain efforts over many years to try and turn this public discussion forum into an exclusive private members club - the reality remains - that who you may be, matters little - it is what you post on our forum that is really important.

---

Thank you for your kinds words, Shambles. I've missed you. You're certainly nicer than those people who accuse me of doing the exact opposite of what you accuse me of.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Genie
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 03:44 AM

Well, Ellen, I'm certainly no bigwig in the folk music world, and my Mudcattery is sporadic.   But I often reveal bits and pieces of personal info in this or that thread -- which is the main reason I post as "Genie" here instead of under my real name.   I guess anyone who really wanted to 'stalk' me and commandeer my personal info could do that easily enough by making up a fake name and address and joining Mudcat, which would give them access to my personal profile, photos, etc.   But at least that's an extra few steps -- which might dissuade a lot of people.   

In any case, if you want to know who I am, just PM me. I think most of us will reveal our real names to folks who PM us. It's usually no big mystery.

Genie

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 03:49 AM

most of us will reveal our real names to folks who PM us

. . . oh, yes, you can PM me too. It's what most people do when they've lost my email (possibly when they've deleted my last one in a rage . . .)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 03:59 AM

Where in south Wales? I was singing in Swansea & Wessex less than a year ago.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Gurney
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:06 AM

PM means private message, which only members can do.

As they say, jump in, the water is fine, and even the whine is entertaining.

As a guest up there mentioned, Mudcat would be more authoritative if we were posting under our own names, but wait a minute, we're folkies, and therefore anti-establishment! Well, not really. Maybe a bit cynical.

I've been here a couple of years, and apart from a couple of members and random 'guests', haven't seen much acrimony, just normal controversy. Join us.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:40 AM

John Davenport of Skye thinks that those who post under nicknames get things wrong. Well, I'm usually wrong but posting under my real name (easily found from the Member's Profiles) wouldn't make me any more accurate! As others have said, to avoid spam and unwanted e-mails I don't use my slightly unusual surname in the open forum but many Mudcatters know it from the more private personal messages (PMs) available to members.

RtS

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: My guru always said
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 05:59 AM

Hi Ellen, I know a fair few Catters, mostly in the UK, but some in Wales too - North & South. I go to lots of Festivals & will be at Sidmouth too but probably ensconced in the Middle Bar of The Anchor for most of the time.
A lot of UK Catters wear either the Mudcat Tshirt or a Badge to identify ourselves, so look out for these badges at festivals and clubs you go to. It'll have the Mudcat Logo on and the Badges have our Mudcat handle on them too!
Look forward to meeting you sometime,
Hil

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 05:59 AM

Hi Ellen,

Welcome to the virtual home of the friendliest, most helpful, bunch of people you will ever meet. Names don't seem to be as important here as in the 3D world outside.

What counts is how we interact, and how we treat each other. Respect is everything.

I am Don Thompson, from Kent, and I'm a singer/songwriter and folk club organiser. My Mudcat handle comes from the fact that the name I use when gigging is Wysiwyg (What you see is what you get). As you will have gathered from that, my act is largely humour based.

No pic posted as yet. I haven't found one yet that I like, and I don't want to frighten other members.

I'll be at Sidmouth too. Look me up at the Bedford, or the Swan.

I'll be wearing a Mudcat badge, and playing a guitar with WYSIWYG printed right across the scratch plate.

Do join Mudcat, it's a rather special community.

Look forward to meeting you
Don T.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: InOBU
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 07:16 AM

http://plaininthecity.blogspot.com/ <- that is the whole catastrophy... the rest of Lorcan Otway ( InOBU... In One Big Union ) is found on the first link at the bottom of that site, Photographs of an odd little life, or on my CDs...

Thy friend
lor

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:14 AM

Hey, don't assume that people who use nicknames are any less knowledgeable than people wot use their real names. Knowing everyone's real name wouldn't give you any more of a clue as to who are the "experts" in here. We all add what we know to the pot, and it makes a very tasty stew. Besides, the opinions we express in here outmeasure the "facts" about 200 to one. And that's probably just about the right ratio...

Jerry

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:43 AM

"but those who can really answer questions raised here are often contradictory, and are confusing to those of us who would rather hear from musicians, songwriters, and singers whose word we could really trust."

Sigh, that's real life - sorting the bull from the dust....

"I find the facts of those using nick-names to be often wrong, at best. Having said that the digital tradition is very helpful."

Anonymous GUESTS are not always wrong. And if you don't know anything, how would you know some of the advice that sounds strange and unusual is NOT correct? As for contradictory - just how many ways can you play say, a D major chord on for example, a guitar? Hehehe... and we won't even go into how the strings are tuned at all....

Robin

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: MBSLynne
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:19 AM

Yes...join Mudcat. You're wrong to say "I could become a member but you would still all be strangers to me". I've only been a member for a couple of years but in that time I've made so many friends here I can hardly count them all. And some of them have become people I would confide in, trust and I know would help me if I were in trouble. I've had people I've never seen come and stay at my house on several occasions and I've stayed at the house of a Mudcatter I'd never met, who is now added to the ever lengthening list of friends. There are some total prats on here, but they are definitely in the minority. I hate to paraphrase in such a tcky way but "Mudcatters are all friends you haven't met yet"

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: *Laura*
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:23 AM

Well - I'm Laura.
I had to use my real name really because I came across Mudcat when making a request for recordings.
Although I did have some fun at one point when I lost my cookie!

xLx

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:41 AM

Since you are in Wales which is the home of good singing, I confess I have never been other than myself.

Course this is the internet, not a Pub/Bar, so we can be whatever we chose.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:43 PM

Welcome!

Above the line (music topics) you'll find everybody tries their best to help you get the information you're looking for--and amazingly fast.

Below the line ----non-music----well, anything goes--but as long as you know that, I'm sure you can deal with it.

It's a free-wheeling community, full of characters----and ferociously addictive.

Enjoy!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:45 PM

Ellen,
I live in Llantrisant nr Pontyclun,Just off juction 34 of the M4 why dont you come to our folk club on a Wednesday night.This Wednesday coming we have 40 shanty session people from San Francisco coming to sing it is only a pound to come in.Come over.
Scooby

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Firecat
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:49 PM

I'm me!

Seriously though, it is worth looking for badges to identify Mudcats. Mind you, I'm biased cos my dad makes them!!!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Firecat
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:50 PM

I'm really called Katy and I'm 21.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: MBSLynne
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 01:02 PM

Well I'm Lynne...and I'm not 21

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:01 PM

Apart from the mudcat, I'm an unknown to the folk world; I write a few songs, and wish ta heck I could sing or play, to help give them a little more chance at "life". My wife sings beautifully, but not professionally, and gets an occasional chance to do some of my stuff.
A few people in our area know me for photography and other art. You can see a little of my stuff at

    www.geocities.com/jadelapeer

Hold your nose and jump in; there are lots of folks more interesting than me here. I've been "here" for about a year, and have had a whole lot of laughs, the odd moment of disgust, and some moments of genuine inspiration.      
                   Dean the frogprince.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Justa Picker
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:03 PM

I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice with my bare hands. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more efficient in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Cuban refugees. I write award winning operas. I manage time efficiently. Occasionally, I tread water for 3 days in a row. I woo women with my sensuous and god-like trombone playing. I can pilot bicycles up several inclines with unflagging speed, and I cook thirty-minute brownies in twenty minutes. I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love and an outlaw in Peru. Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon basin from a horde of ferocious army ants. I play blue grass cello. I was scouted by the Mets. I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I'm bored, I build large suspension bridges in my yard. I enjoy urban hang gliding. On Wednesdays, after work I repair electrical appliances free of charge. I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy formal attire. I don't perspire. I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail. I have been caller number nine and won the weekend passes.

Last summer I toured New Jersey with a traveling centrifugal force demonstration. I bat .400. My deft floral arrangements have earned me fame in international botany circles. Children trust me. I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy. I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dinning room that evening. I know the exact location of every food item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations with the CIA. I sleep once a week: and when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in northern Quebec, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery. The laws of physics do not apply to me. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full contact origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down. I have made extraordinary four course meals using only a mouli and a toaster oven. I breed prize winning clams. I have won bullfights in San Juan, cliff diving competitions in Sri Lanka and spelling bees at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open heart surgery and I have spoken to Elvis.

But I have YET to meet an entirely honest person on the Internet!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:28 PM

"But I have YET to meet an entirely honest person on the Internet!

gee, JP...me either.

but *I* can say that I have NEVER watched a complete episode of Oprah Winfrey!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:52 PM

Aw, Picker, you're too cynical. We have lots of honest people right here.

I have to say that I agree with people who are reluctant to reveal personal information about themselves on the Internet - there ARE many dishonest people who use the Internet as a gold mine of personal information that they can exploit.

I use my own name here and I'm fairly open about myself, but I geep secrets about things. Every August, there's a guessing game here about what may actual birthday is, because it's well-known that I don't think it's a good idea to reveal one's date of birth publicly. I also don't think it's a good idea to post your address, phone number, or travel plans. I didn't announce the death of my mother because it was a private time for me and my family. Others find solace on sad occasions in the goodness of the community here, so they reveal stuff like that.

You have to balance the advantages with the risks whenever you reveal personal information on the Internet.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 02:54 PM

I'm a Mary, and there are just too many of us! Nearly everyone calls me Sorcha now anyway. Lots of my info is here at Mudcat, in the profile, or the threads.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:16 PM

I invented the 12 spring guitar, the urinal, the key of B flat, hexadecimal musical notation, the Eunuchs operating system, and the electric pickup ("Hi! What's your amperage?"). I have written several books, including (but not limited to) "Blackstone's Commentaries," "De Bello Gallico," "The Mouse That Snored," and "The Fannie Farmer Cookbook." My songs include "Growin' in the Wind," "Mac the Fork," "Bottle of Rotgut," and "Ban, Ban, Ban the Bloody Cherry Bomb." In a radical departure from the hordes of nubile Hollywood starlets who routinely fling themselves at my body I have recently moved in with a very well-known gastropod. With a gently touch of a middle finger I can cure warts, and have been known to levitate when coldnosed by a dog.

But all in all, I'm a very humble person and quietly proud of being so.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,khandu (away from home computer, hence no co
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:48 PM

Actually, that wasn't me who prevoiusly posted to this thread under my cookieless name. That was a fellow who calls himself "Ken Whitfield" and mispronounces it everytime. I am the one who pronounces it correctly, though the correct pronunciation doesn't sound anything like it is spelled.

No, on to more important matters. There is some debate over Rapaire's claim to the invention of the urinal. My dear friend, Mr. Harry Lee Wigley, and I designed & created the first urinal/bidet. After "doing one's business", one would remain in position a moment longer and the machine would then "return the favor" and spray the user clean, effectively removing any remaining traces. The working model of this wonderful creation was presented to the public twelve full days before Rapaire's "invention" was "showcased".

Incidentally, his "invention" was actually a piece of rubber pipe which ran through a hole he had drilled in the floor. That's it...nothing else. Yes, that's correct...he drilled a hole in a floor, stuck a piece of pipe through it, gave it a ridiculously pompous name, "Rapaire's Sanitary and Hygienic Male Urine Trasportation Device", and actually tried to get a U.S. patent on it!

It is that to which he refers when he says to the unsuspecting, "I invented... the urinal."

Ome more thing, Mr. Harry Lee Wigley and I both decided our wonderful device was too far ahead of its time and we withdrew it the day after we first presented it. We are awaiting the correct era to re-present it!

k

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 04:55 PM

JP, you da MAN, baby!!! That is priceless and ought be pree-survd fer all ee-tur-ni-tee!!! Good to hear your *voice* again!

luvyakat

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 05:28 PM

Justa Picker, I agree with Kat.

That post was great!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 05:31 PM

You think this raucous chorus of welcome and advice might have put Ellen of Cardiff off? I see she doesn't seem to have back...

Mudcat's not so different from any informal open gathering. Some people you can meet up with and pass the time with for years without knowing the first thing about them outside of what tunes they play perhaps and what they like to drink. Fair enough, they can still be good company.

It'd be fun if more people stuck their pictures in the rogues gallery. They could wear masks if they wanted to keep anonymous. (And I think it'd be good if, where people had posted pictures, there'd be a link to the pictures at the head of their posts, unless they preferred not to have that. I think that would serve to encourage more people to stick up pictures too.)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 07:09 PM

GUEST,Ellen. Cardiff.
GUEST,John Davenport. Skye.

Same punctuation. Stop getting sucked in.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Mooh Up North
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:01 PM

I had no intention of becoming so involved here, but year after year I find more reasons to stay. My original fear of becoming involved in an on-line forum is gone, but my handle remains.

Mooh is Mike Crocker, (in no particular order) Canadian, Christian, parent, musician, volunteer, carpenter, music instructor, fisherman. Much about me can be read in the threads and though I could direct you there I'd have to find it first, and that would take forever on this temporary dial-up connection.

Hang around for a while and you'll know everyone.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:41 PM

"I geep secrets about things"

Ah Joe! where did you say you used to work?

;-)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:45 PM

Don Meixner said, in part:

Mudcat has members who are record producers, well known songwriters, living legends (Sandy and Caroline, Art, Jean, Dick, Kendall) and some legends in the making (Bruce, well he's more of a rumor but we are working on that).

Don neglected to mention me, but I want you to know that I am a legend in my own mind.

And I almost always sign my posts as

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 10:46 PM

"I'm really called Katy and I'm 21."

She's all grown up!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:51 AM

Foolestroupe, do you mean when I was a spy in Berlin or the 25 years I spent as a federal investigator, snooping into the personal lives of all sorts of people?
I know how easy it is for people to obtain and abuse personal information. So, be careful.
And just so you conspiracy theorists don't get in a tizzy, let me assure you that I saw very little evidence that government abused personal information.

But I guess you can see by my typographical errors that I was never employed as a typist...
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Stephen R.
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 12:58 AM

John Davenport of Skye has a reasonable idea, that people writing under their own proper names might take more care to get things right, but I doubt that it makes much difference in reality, and I have found that in forums such as this one, full of people who really just love the subject matter, erroneous information is usually corrected quickly. One thing I love about mudcat: it *is* full of people who just love the stuff, and a number of them know a *lot* about it. When I get good and stuck, I query mudcat. I don't always get the answer I need, but often I do, and think it's a great resource as well as a great place to sound off.

I agree with all the folks who said: Join! The dues are unbeatable, and you will be in good company (don't judge by my presence here!).

Stephen

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Naemanson
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 01:24 AM

Well, I think I am the most public person on the Mudcat. Over two years ago I moved to Guam and have been writing about my experiences here in a set of threads all bearing the word "Guam" in the titles. those experiences include helping to rebuild a traditional outrigger canoe and marrying a wonderful Japanese woman. And in just over a month we will be in Southern wales!

That's where this wonderful thing called The Mudcat Cafe comes into its real strength. Within a few months of joining the Mudcat I went to a Mudcat Party at Barry Finn's house and met a whole raft of 'Cats. Since then I have met and sshared music with many people I never would have met any other way. Over the next few months I expect to meet many of the people I have shared my story with. I will be at Whitby and at the annual Getway. So, join the crowd, PM your phone number, and when we get to Abergavenny we'll give you a call. I'll buy dinner.

Brett "Naemanson" Burnham

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 01:33 AM

I agree with Amos--there are plenty of threads like this already. As a long-term Mudcatter, I find it's interesting to revisit old friends, but a newcomer to an established site should practice good netiqette and lurk for a while and figure some of these things out on their own before asking the membership to stop what they're doing and tell her if they're "anybody she should know." If you read along for a while, you'll figure out where deference is shown.

SRS (not a singer, not a performer, but a scholar, and the child of a deceased singer-folklorist well-known in his home area)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 01:36 AM

*In my best Linda Blair voice*

"Eno On Ma I!   Eno On Ma I!"

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 03:36 AM

As the Bard of Avon wrote (or was it Francis Bacon??), "What's in a name? A rose by any other would smell as sweet." (well that's roughly what he said) :-)

Strangely, some of my closest friends now address me as 'Strollin'! Prefer it to 'Old S**t Face'. LOL!
S:0)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 03:39 AM

Hello GUEST Ellen.
I live down the M4 - west of Cardiff. I'm a Swansea Jack.
You may have heard of Baggyrinkle (Swansea Shantymen)?
Well, I am the leader of the pack!! Hence the name Skipper Jack! Hope to meet you someday. What folk clubs do you support? The nearest one to you, which I go to from time to time is The Llantrisant Folk Club.

Check our website, to find out more about me and the crew.
www.baggyrinkle.co.uk

Welcome to Mudcat.

Dave R.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: My guru always said
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 05:36 AM

Justapicka, Rapaire & khandu - Thanks!!!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 06:51 AM

Perhaps from the 40's, me mum sung it.

What's that? Who am I?
Why I'm the man who put the hole in the donut

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 06:55 AM

OK - try a third time: (I jumbied the html)

Perhaps from the 40's, me mum sung it.

What's that? Who am I?
Why, I'm the man who put the hole in the donut
I'm the guy that put the high in sky.
What's that? Who am I?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 07:04 AM

Ah Joe!

Just as well you didn't type up the secrets then - but I am glad you could geep them!

Whatever that is...

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:55 AM

........a newcomer to an established site should practice good netiqette and lurk for a while and figure some of these things out on their own before asking the membership to stop what they're doing and tell her if they're "anybody she should know"..........


Keep away! You're not one of us. – We'll tell you when it's time to come in.


Nice welcome !!!

DC

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:11 AM

Ellen:

If you re-visit this thread, then just a reminder that this Tuesday (12 July) is the BBC Club folk night, under the patronal gaze of Frank Hennessy. I won't be there this time, but it is likely that Splottman (last picture) will be there

Nigel

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:55 AM

Thank you for your kinds words, Shambles. I've missed you. You're certainly nicer than those people who accuse me of doing the exact opposite of what you accuse me of.
-Joe Offer-

I am not that I did say kind things about you. It was certainly an accident on my part (or wishful thinking on yours). My intention was to pass on the good advice to newer posters - of the apperant need now - for them to always ensure they post and say nice things about you - (or else).

Again I am not aware that I did accuse you of anything. Perhaps the only thing you could be accused of over your contribution - apart from again abusing your priviliged position to make it using editing comments to post your personal views - without refreshing the thread - is of making a nonsence statement. But perhaps Wolfgang 'ghosted' this intentional gobble-de-gook for you?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Linda Mattson
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 07:03 PM

I only use my real name because I haven't yet found my mysterious alter ego.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Naemanson
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:29 PM

Oh, and I used an alias when I joined up because way back then I didn't know what I was getting into. It could have been a pack of crazed beer drinking song singing wierdos. Lucky for me it was and I fit right in.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:35 PM

No, I'm Spartacus..
Seamus

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Abby Sale
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:44 PM

Sorry, I am unable to reveal any secret name.

I can reveal, however, that I am a founder-member of The Folking Roly Rounders. It is the official, international organization for those who perform folk music while roller-skating. Basically, it's intended for inline skaters but quad people are permitted in as second-class members.

We follow an ancient tradition. The inventor of skates, a noted instrument maker debuted at a gala party in Soho-square (probably in 1760). He awed the party-goers by skating (inline) into the party while playing the violin.

Clearly, this is an essential identity for me. But many of my dearest acquaintances have noted that I take the problem of personal identity seriously and ponder it often. Many have asked me just who I think I am.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:51 PM

I can't sing and I can't play guitar but I play a wee bit of violin and cello. Mostly I write lyrics, poems and doodle pictures in many different media.

Oh yes, you'll often catch me lamenting America's recent stroll down Fascist Road.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 08:55 PM

I am still hoping Rapaire is actually Dave Barry and Martin Gibson was Danny Quayle.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: MaineDog
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 09:43 PM

Me and my keeper sometimes get our identities confused, but we have pictures up that show a lot if you look closely.

BTW, I started to have a lot more fun with music when I stopped worrying about who was who.

MD

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 11:05 PM

I'm the anonymous guest. I turn up on almost every thread. My presence ususally drives the old farts who think this site is their sole, personal domain to either post a supposedly witty riposte, or to admonish the other "members in good standing" to ignore me in hopes that my supposedly fragile ego will be crushed and I will go away. Like riding the subway in NYC, or surviving Junior High School lunch period, this place takes some getting used to, and often you'll find it isn't going to be worth your trouble...

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: sixtieschick
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:13 AM

I got stalked around the site by a very sick puppy after posting to a thread for the very first time.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:32 AM

Chadwick wrote:

Keep away! You're not one of us. – We'll tell you when it's time to come in.

Nice welcome !!!

DC

I made a small bet with myself--there's always someone who brings a snide tone to the list, who manages to read a different meaning into words of advice that were given in a level-headed manner. Don't blame me if you have a chip on your shoulder. I can't think of anyplace where, as a newcomer, such as a non-member visitor, it would be appropriate to walk into the room and just start talking, to in effect interrupt the business at hand and ask everyone to explain who they are and what they're doing there. It's the job of the polite newcomer to quietly listen for a while, to take the measure through inference and to ease on into the conversation.

Naemanson hit it right on the head--even though I'd been told about this site by friends, I decided pretty quickly I didn't want to use my own name, I wanted a moniker as a slight buffer. For those who care to know, it's easy to figure out who is behind the nom de plume, but for the hit-and-run guests, or newcomers who will only believe the words writ on high by our most esteemed professional musicians, I'd rather keep them guessing.

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Gurney
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:57 AM

The anonymous Guest says "I turn up in nearly every thread" and "often you're going to find it isn't worth your trouble...."
I wonder why. And, I wonder why.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:42 AM

Stilly River Sage – if you're going use the name Chadwick when addressing me, it comes connected either to Doug or Mr.

DC

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:39 AM

Yes and can you please call me 'The'.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:22 AM

Ahem. Khandu's "urinal-bedet" was actually a piece of garden hose bent into a "C" shape, so that what went into one end came out the other. For this and other good and sufficient reasons his patent application was refused and he was reported to the Board of Health (which he misspelled as "Bored of Health" and his was taken away by official decree).

Furthermore, mine was not a hose running into a hole in the floor. Mine was (and it has since been substantially improved) a hose WITH A FUNNEL which ran into a hole in the floor and out the window! and from there onto the hats of anyone knocking at the front door. Not only did this arrangement solve certain plumbing problems, but it discouraged salesfolks, evangelicals, process servers, cops, politicians and sundry other undesirables (including, on two seperate occassions, Khandu, who was selling vacuum cleaners for accordions at the time).

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:20 AM

Don't worry about any of this. Have a good time. Contrary to Shambles' belief, nothing sinister goes on here. If the shit gets too deep we can arrange a nice stay for you at the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed.

Spaw

PS.....My entire history including pictures of my intestines are on these threads. The only reason I registered back in'98 as "catspaw49" was that I was new to the net back then and a lot of people told me to be careful and all of that. I'd have gone back and used my real name but by that time I was known as Spaw and indeed everyone from here calls me Spaw, even in person and on the phone! For many years I was probably the most prolific poster here. If you particularly give a ratsass, my name is Pat Patterson.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:30 AM

Ah! At Rapaire's house the request isn't take a peek out the window and see who is there, it's take a pee out the window. Makes perfect sense at his house where major appliances (freezers) are buried under the back sundeck, why not have the bathroom facilities empty onto the front porch. Just don't drain the urinal into that freezer or you've got a big mess on your hands. . . and "Who's Who" takes care of itself at work.

Are they publishing that one any more?

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:34 AM

But I have YET to meet an entirely honest person on the Internet!

I'm trying to think how many I've met in the flesh! Not very many (and thank g*d for that! - sometimes a little dishonesty is necessary to prevent pandimonium. For example - when answering the question "Do these pants make me look fat?")

As far as being an "authorative source" - well, there are some impressive shcholars here - and they usually document where their information is from. Since the Mudcat is at best a secondary source - anything found here needs to be double checked anyway if you are really looking for "authoritative". And there are some PRIMARY sources that visit here that are pretty "big guns" in their various areas of expertise. They usually identify themselves.

Then there are those of us who really don't know diddly - but are willing to slog through hundreds of searches to try and find information. We don't pretend to be experts.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:54 AM

Contrary to Shambles' belief, nothing sinister goes on here.

I am not sure that I have said there was anything sinister going on. But it is usually the case that if you have nothing to hide - then there is thought to be little need for any secrecy. There is certainly no need for anyone to ever abuse their position of trust. It may well be a belief shared by many - that 'nothing sinister goes on here' but given all this needless secrecy - some folk could perhaps be forgiven for suspecting otherwise?

But if it is really the case that there is nothing sinister going on - where is the need for unknown numbers of those volunteers - who feel themselves qualified to impose their personal judgement upon the contributions of their fellow posters? And why do these volunteers remain anonymous - when anonymous posting on our forum is generally thought not to be a good thing?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 10:58 AM

jeez shambles - haven't you figured that out yet? It's done deliberately to annoy you.

BTW - since various (KNOWN) volunteers and Joe have repeatedly mentioned that they adhere to guidelines and that EVERY deletion/thread title change is subject to review by Max and Jeff - where does "impose their personal judgement" fit in?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 11:37 AM

Aw, MM, now you gone and done it.

A

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:00 PM

jeez shambles - haven't you figured that out yet? It's done deliberately to annoy you.

Perhaps then - such a course would be sinister enough? *Smiles*

If these unpopular measures are still stubbonly undertaken and defended for such reasons - no one should be too surprised then if posters do get annoyed by the actions of those who feel themselves qualified to impose their personal judgement upon the rest of us lesser posters?

Censorship on Mudcat

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: tarheel
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:08 PM

hi ellen,my name is chuck hemrick. i use the net name of tarheel,because i am from north carolina(the tar heel state)!
anyway,you can read a short bio on me in the members section here..i think its listed as chuck hemrick. even has a photo or two there of me too!
and you are invited to our family website:

http://hemrickfamilysingers.homestead.com

please sign our guest book if you visit!
there are 3 pages of photos, plus you may listen to 8 of our songs from our cd there,too!
then i invite you and anyone here to visit my journal on msn at:

http//groups.msn.com/tarsjournal

there are lots of photos there of my online friends and family and folks i admire and things i enjoy...even a few photos of some folks from in here,too!
you may join the journal if you wish,but not necessary to visit!
it would give you a chance to exchange opinons about world events,or anything you would like to discuss with others on the message boards there!
please understand that this is not a chat room!
plus you can write your own creative stories,poems,sonnets,you name it and share them with everyone!
best of all you may create your own photo album and show off your friends,family ,pets,etc.,(i really love etc.'s, lol)for all the world to see...and its free,too!
so take a look and enjoy!
so make yourself at home there and join right in!
this offer is extended to anyone here in mudcat!
tar...

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:20 PM

Contrary to Shambles' belief, nothing sinister goes on here.

If you wish to contribute to this debate on a thread devoted to this subject - you will see that the following thread -
Censorship on Mudcat   has now been closed by our unknown volunteers.

No suggestion that there is anything 'sinister' in this - of course..........

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Yawn
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:26 PM

Ellen, meet The Shambles - our resident whiner.....

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: JennyO
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 12:26 PM

100 :-)

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:20 PM

"·.Yes and can you please call me 'The'.."

takes a lot of Gall to demand that..*grin* (and won't you be confused with 27 billion other "Thes"?

and do you actually TYPE " those who feel themselves qualified to impose their personal judgement" every time, or you you have a handy-dany copy & paste file of it and other useful words & phrases..like "perhaps" and "anonymous"

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:34 PM

If these unpopular measures are still stubbonly undertaken and defended..."

Surely "unpopular" should mean "disliked by most (or at least very many) people", rather than "I personally do not approve"...

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: An Englishman Abroad
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:41 PM

Hi Ellen

I am John Locke ex LLandeilo. I can recomend Skipper Jack a good old friend of mine from when I lived in Wales. Give him a pat on the back and buy him a pint for me.

I am new to Mudcat and I can tell you the information in here is amazing. They are a friendly lot as well.

I have no problem with people knowing who I am or about me. Go to

www.AnEnglishmanAbroad.com and get all the gen.

all the best   John

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:01 PM

Seriously, the folks here are just like everyone else, only more so.

Get a name, join in. And my stuff in in the Personals too -- I'm the good looking one.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:20 PM

I'm nothing but a big nobody, so it shouldn't matter that I use a pseudonym. Whatever I contribute either stands on its own merits or doesn't.

I like to get involved in "how-to-learn-the-guitar" discussions, and perhaps it's true that I "talk" (i.e., type) a better guitar than I can actually play, but I have spent many years trying to learn, and I think that the validity of my observations is entirely independent of how skillfully I've been able to apply the ideas I've learned to actual real-life playing.

Before joining Mudcat a couple of years ago, I had never used any name on any Internet forum except my own real one. However, the Mudcatter who encouraged me to join also strongly advised me NOT to sign in under my name, but to adopt a "handle" ~ if only just for fun. And it has been fun.

I have no problem revealing my real name to anyone I get to "know," e.g. in PMs, and certainly in those rare instances when I've actually met a fellow member in 3D real life. However, now that I've set out on the road of maintaining a fictional persona, I intend to keep it that way, at least in the public forum, at least most of the time.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 03:37 PM

LOL! Getting pretty funny, this is! Doug, I loved your post!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 03:53 PM

It confused the heck out of us when we went through a phase when some Mudcatters decided to draw the curtain and reveal themselves. "Who the heck is Mike Doellman?" drove Rapaire back to using what many of us consider to be his "real" name. Then there's Giok who went to John MacKenzie and ended up with the compromise of John 'Giok' MacKenzie. My own moniker is a good target if someone is vexed with me. There have been times when posts are addressed to "Silly" instead of "STilly." (Short for Stillaguamish)

SRS

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 03:56 PM

Poppagator,

to paraphrase Jesse Jackson, "You ARE somebody."

You are The Poppa gator and Mudcat's expert on Zydeco and other New Orleans music.

Besides, weren't you recently the King of your Mardi Gras kewe?!!!

We appreciate you.


Azizi

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 03:59 PM

Surely "unpopular" should mean "disliked by most (or at least very many) people", rather than "I personally do not approve"...

It rather depends on what question is asked but are you seriously suggesting that finding one's self subject to censorship - imposed by anonymous fellow posters - is generally to be thought welcome and popular?
(Seeing others subject to such things however, does seem to be more popular here - with those posters who consider that they are always safe from such imposed action).

I suggest that even posters who may accept such imposed censorship as sometimes necessary on our forum would not really welcome such things or consider them as generally popular measures. Or indeed would not volunteer to impose their personal judgement upon their fellow posters. If you really consider such measures to be thought generally popular - you are living in a skewed and totally different world to the rest of us.

Is there really any good reason why anyone - who is not prepared to be known - should be able to impose their personal judgement upon their (known) fellow posters here?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:18 PM

In the words of Emily Dickenson....

I'm Nobody-Who are you?
Are you-Nobody-Too?
Then there's a pair of us!
Don't tell! they'd advertise-you know.

How dreary-to be-Somebody!
How public-like a frog-
To tell one's name-the livelong June
To an admiring bog!

J.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:20 PM

It is interesting (if not of course sinister) that the following thread Mudcat Censorship a proposal is NOT closed.

That thread was started by a member who thought it would be great fun to start a thread and went to all the trouble to create a bogus membership and new name (Xander)- in order to do it (and to post and argue with himself on it).

Who is who on Mudcat - is a very good question - now.

Who are those who have volunteered and feel qualified to impose their personal judgement upon our contributions?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:24 PM

Go away Shambles - PLEASE!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:28 PM

Not until you call me 'The'............

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:29 PM

Go away 'The'............ PLEASE!

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:33 PM

Dear The,

Frankly, I don't give a damn.

Sincerely yours,
Rapaire

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 04:35 PM

Azizi ~

Thanks for the ego boost, girlfriend. However:

If I came off as a crybaby asking for affirmation, I didn't really mean to. By characterizing myself as a "big nobody," I only meant to say that I'm not a well-known performer. And I wanted to emphasize that what I have to say (and what any of us have to say) shouldn't depend upon our "credentials."

After all, we're all "folk," every one of us, aren't we?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jpk
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:00 PM

it goes for most of us anyway,granted i aint put up a photo [aint figured how yet but if anyone tries a little my real name an e dress are floting around here somewhere[heck where i don't know but they are]have a great day and god bless.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: khandu
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:14 PM

He is "The Shambles". He is not "Shambles".

I am "khandu", not "Khandu".

And Rapaire has mis-represented my urinal/bidet. Somewhat.

k

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:16 PM

"After all, we're all "folk," every one of us, aren't we?"

Yes, but when I tell my friends and family that
I am a member of a Internet folk music discussion forum, invariably they say "I didn't know you liked Country & Western music".

Folk=Country & Western Music???

DEFINITELY not to me.

But I admit that I still am not sure that the music that I like really fits into what most people [here or elsewhere] think of as 'folk music'. I won't call it ethnic music 'cause all music is ethnic, but it's generally African American religious and non-religious music composed during the 3 centuries of USA slavery; Blues; early Jazz; Military cadences {Jodies-the PC rated ones};and what is generally now called "World Music" {with some Zydeco & Mardi Gras Wild Indian music included in there somewhere}.

And the music I am most interested in is children's game songs, rhymes, and cheers {some of which have their origins in the categories I listed above}.

Like many people here, I came here for the information, but I continue coming here because of the people & the information.

"I'm here because I'm here because I'm here" and "I like it like that".

[The first lyric is from something??? The second is from a R&B record "I Like It Like That" 1960s??]

Peace!

Azizi

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:37 PM

See, I first came here for som information and I stick around to annoy those who think that they are my betters.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 05:41 PM

"Those of you who think they know it all are VERY annoying to those of us who do!"

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 06:59 PM

Azizi: Point of information: "I Like It Like That" was written and recorded on the "Instant" label by Chris Kenner on New Orleans (more precisely, of nearby Kenner, Louisiana) in about, I'd guess, '61 or 62. It was one of the relatively few 45 rpm records I bought as a teenager in New Jersey, not knowing anything about New Orleans at the time, not the recording studios and artists, and certainly not that I would someday live here.

Chris also wrote and cut the first record on a much more famous rock 'n' roll classic, "Land of 1,000 Dances." However, someone else covered his record and made much more fame and fortune out of it. Most of these stories about cover versions outselling originals have racial overtones, with some white boy like Pat Boone portrayed as "ripping off" a black artist like Little Richard. However, in the case of "Land of 1,000 Dances," it was a case of an obscure "regional" black artist getting covered by a more well-established, nationally-known singer who was also African-American. I'm not 100% sure who cut the best-selling hit version ~ Wilson Pickett, maybe?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: khandu
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:11 PM

"Hannibal and the Headhunters" did the first version I heard of "Land of...". (Though some websites call him "Cannibal", I'd swear it was "Hannibal"!??

More info HERE

k

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:13 PM

Um, let me think...

Yeah..maybe it was the Wicked Wilson Pickett! **BG**

Thanks, PoppaGator!! See what I mean about you bein THE MAN when it comes to New Orleans music? and [I'm sure MommaGator would say] other things besides...

****

Okay, that's one down. What about that other quote I used:
"I'm here because I'm here because I'm here."

Does that sound familiar to anyone?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: skarpi
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:24 PM

Halló Ellen , my name is ( Skarphedinn Haraldsson ) and i am
from Iceland my name on Mudcat is Skarpi Iceland.
We are about three from Iceland on Mudcat that I know at this time .

All the best from Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,Popeye
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:54 PM

I yam what i yam and that's all that I yam.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 07:58 PM

Ni hao Ellen, the real name is Frank Dutton. Originally from the UK but I have been living in the far east for a long time.

I have a day job to pay the bills (as an engineering manager) but on Friday, Sundays and Tuesdays I join up with a band here in Shanghai playing bodhrans and bones.

I have met a few catters in the UK and some have been to China. Nice folk all of them.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Azizi
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 09:22 PM

Hey GUEST,Popeye,

So is that where "I'm here because I'm here because I'm here" came from?

Thanks. It was bugging me. Now maybe I can focus on something important...

Naw.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jpk
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:03 PM

note:coutry music is mostly south of the mason dixon and east ta the big muddy;the and western part came from some were else;maybe another coutry,not sure.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 12:01 PM

Thanks to Khandu for the link to that history lesson.

Wilson Pickett's "Land of 1,000 Dances" probably deserved to be the biggest hit among the many recordings of that song. Besides the Wicked One's undeniable prowess as a vocalist, it's just a great recording ~ the band is really hot and has a really "live" sound (perhaps just "live-in-the-studio," but quite exciting nevertheless).

Cannibal Garcia deserves a LOT of credit, too, for having introduced that great "nahhh-na-na-na-nahhhh." That little phrase is as critical to this song's appeal as "Ai-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi" ~ also NOT part of the original composition and recording ~ is to "Louie Louie."

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:19 PM

I am a Mary also known as sT, mARY oF tHE cAPSLOCK. I was supposed to have been named Sinclair but got stuck with Mary Lou. The internet finally gave me an opportunity to right the wrong. Just imagine how different life would have been had I been known as Sins. Sister Paschal Candle Half-Lit would have had a stroke. I could have been the "bad" girl instead of plain old me. Ah well...

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:21 PM

So now you're making up for it (she really is a bad girl).

I do not believe that you were EVER 'plain old me'.

jacqui.c - running for cover in the cellar.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: khandu
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 10:37 PM

Haw!! LOL!!

" I am "khandu", not "Khandu"."

Then a few posts after that:

"Thanks to Khandu for the link to that history lesson."

I love this place!

k

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 11:04 PM

All MOABites give thanks and praise to kK(choose one or the other, but both would be silly)handu every day, for he, she, or it is good.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 02:11 AM

What's in a name
Or even how you spell it?
Be the smell good or bad
We will all get to smell it.

Time perhaps to face the facts
And be of one true heart
Inhale - and be damned
Rejoice in our collective fart?

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 04:44 AM

I chose noddy, a cartoon character from the 50s because most of my comments are meant to be taken injest. although some do have a cutting satirical edge to them well that is the impression I hope to give.
Some others post using my name but my posts are easily recognised due to the vast number of typos.

also known as "The World Strongest Roadie" due to me taking up powerlifting late in life and twice becoming World Champion for my age/weight category and for a while I held a World Record. Suffice to say the glory did not last long and although I have improved so has the standard of competition. I may enter this years World Champs and expect a 2nd or 3rd place as a good result.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:23 AM

Oh yes, and SINSULL is AKA 'Mary Sunshine', particularly after she's told some poor unsuspecting soul to f**k off!


jacqui.c - heading for the cellar - again.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:25 AM

And I had come close to thinking Shambles was sick or ill. What a relief to see he's alive and kicking Joe.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:53 AM

my name is jOhn, and I;m from Hull.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:18 PM

That's true. John raises soybeans on a farm just outside of Hull, Illinois.

He's a preacher in his local church.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 05:03 PM

He preaches that just about everything is shite.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 05:04 PM

Or rubbish.

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: khandu
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:30 PM

"It is good!"

k

Subject: RE: Mudcat- Who is Who.
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 10:25 AM

Well Dave Bryant is my real name and I've been knocking around the UK folk scene sinct the early sixties. My partner Linda posts as Essex Girl.