Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005

Subject: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Help
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 05:23 AM

Anyone out there going?

Where are the best places for camping please?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Alio
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 05:40 AM

We can't go unless we can find somewhere to stay for a couple of nights - unlikely probably!! A shame, cos we missed it last year.

Ali

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Rasener
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 05:58 AM

I wish I could afford it. I would be there like a shot.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 06:44 AM

I'll be there along with young Limpit. I'm going as a member of East Saxon Sword.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 06:45 AM

Camping will be at a premium this year, Stoupes Cross the nearest site to town is NOT taking any tents or touring caravans and Whitby Holidat Park the adjoining one is not taking tents. Ali, call me tonight I might be able to get you a room (no promises)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 06:52 AM

Thanks, any more campsite recommendations please?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 06:57 AM

There is a festival campsite for season ticket holders only and several commercial campites in area but not within walking distance other than possibly Stoop Cross, Whitby Holiday Village (ex Haven) Sandsend (?caravans only) .some illicit (but every year) camping in small tents in Whitby Abbey carpark)
Other sites possibly cycleable from if fit as very hilly!
If you have a non drinking driver available drive in & park up for the day - free parking not easy but public carparks probably won't be full at 9am!

tourist information should be able to provide list of campsites

Arguably the best festival of the lot, I have been going every year for about 25 years

festival info at [e-mail]




see you there
BB

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 07:11 AM

Hi Buttonbox ....... just to reiterate Stoupes Cross are NOT taking tents or touring caravans and Whitby Holiday Park are NOT taking tents. Info correct as at this last weekend

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Splott Man
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 07:36 AM

I'll be there as usual with Pat Spoons working in the creche. Watch out for lots of small* farm animals in the Friday parade (*and possibly weird if the Ducklings have anything to do with it).

Splott Man

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Susan of DT
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 08:10 AM

Dick Greenhaus and I will be there.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 08:12 AM

What's the children's side of the festival (if any) like? Can children be left at events or must an adult be present? I don't want to have to drag Limpit around with me all day, she's 9 and quite well-behaved but is going to get really bored watching me sword dancing.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 09:15 AM

Hi Manitas,
bored watching sword dancing? surely not. I might get to the sword workshop, a bit of a timetable clash earlier on, this year the N/W workshop & the Rapper workshop clash, (they usually follow each other).
We bite the bullet & buy a season ticket, so we can camp at Stakesby School. The performers /dance sides usually camp at the Community College, but this year there is no camping there, so they will be camping at Eskdale School.
There seems to be a lot of stuff for kids, (I don't know the details never having had any myself), Keef's Kids Club shuld not be missed, just because it's Keith Donnely.
Cheers
Les (a Southport Sword)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 10:11 AM

plenty of childrens stuff depending on age /ability & interests ,including workshops and usually a childrens orchestra & yes children can be left at these events and most enjoy geting shut of parents! Programmes can be ordered by post & will have full info
bb

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 10:26 AM

Which are the best pubs for the various sessions, official and un-official (non-programmed) bearing in mind the Sam Smiths issues?
Thanks

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 11:37 AM

lead musicians sessions every day at conservative club bar, Fishermans rowing club, Middle Earth and Fleece .Each session has diferent leader on different days giving veriety e.g. George Garside does his easy going 'well known tunes at a steady pace' sessions in the midle earth on tues & thurs , other sessions   are generaly faster but usualy none are over fast.Led sessions lunch time 1-3pm   and teatime 5 -7pm

informal - Elsinore every evening musicians session which has been going for years.plus several others.All led sesions in programme
bb

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Tig
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 12:33 PM

We are intending being there for the second half of the week - never been brave enough/could afford the full one.

Anybody wishing Mudcat badges etc please PM me (The Badger forgets to check his) early so that we can bring them with us. We don't bring the stall but may well have the *small* selection of other badges/scrolls with us.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 12:56 PM

The most important fringe event is that in the Tap and Spile, followed closely by the Endeavour

Many Catters attend from all over UK, one of best singarounds in UK for English based song (also Aussies abound) and usual visits from booked guests looking for a good sing!

The Tap normally has Harrogate persons Roy Hardacre and Ray Black and umpteen other musicians; tends to be English melodeons, fiddles and guitars and concertinas whistles etc

The room on the right is infamous; has been inplace 10 years + as a singing venue mainly trad ish unacompanied but not solely. Instituted by me (Ray Padgett + John Booker and Judy Knight aka Lady Alfraeda) Jude now officiates as Mc largely. Landlord/lady Peter and Cherry Fleming very folk friendly and a normal venue for live music year round.

Jim McDonald, Brid Widder, The Ducks to name a few Catters usually around somwhere ~ need some Catters badges (see Saltburn thread also)

Also Hull contingent tend to frequent Endeavour Landlord/Lady Big John and Rose folkies before they took the pub. I have been told they may be leaving for warmer climes sometime ~ Les and Maggie Catters found there normally

These pubs are likely to be heaving due to the loss of the Plough back yard!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 03:41 AM

Well I'm looking forward to this more and more each day.

If the above pubs tend to get full where will people be going?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 05:16 AM

Guest 03.41: Hard to be specific, I should say amble about a bit and follow your ears.

Few pubs will be free of the folk crowd, but whether there will be any activity will depend upon the crowd, the time of day, and above all on the landlord/lady.

Luckily there are numerous pubs in a relatively small compass, and most of them welcome the festival with enthusiasm.

Have a good time, I plan to.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 08:00 AM

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 08:14 AM

Oy Raymond ! The Tap & Spile the most important fringe venue ! That's blatant self aggrandisement that is. the will be many other venues with a wide range of music & songs on offer, free gratis and for nothing. Personally I think the train to Glaisdale on Sunday lunchtime is possibly the best session of the week !

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Grab
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 08:19 AM

We'll be along (me and Emma). We're Whitby virgins so be gentle with us! ;-) We've got season tickets and camping, so that's easy at least. Haven't ordered our programmes yet so I don't know what's on, but no doubt it'll be good.

Look forward to meeting up with you all in a few weeks anyway.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Fritha
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 08:38 AM

well i've been there every year since i was born (14th year this year) and I have to say it's amazing. Loadsa stuff for kids to do and the clog workshop is always amazing *clogs provided* so I would definately take kids along to that theres a total beginners bit (led by May Cheadle)and an intermediate bit (led by Bella Hardy of the Park and Ola) that we've added on the side so is well worth it as is the whistle workshop either beginner or intermediate which are also led by May Cheadle! Sessions I would definately say Tap and Spile and if they're full head to the toilets - always sessions going on in there! If you're doing workshops more than sessions and ceilidh-ing though a season ticket is well worth it especially 'cause you get the campsite and don't have to sort that out yourself! xx

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 09:14 AM

My Daughter is due her 2nd child in the middle of folk week (yep going to be a Grandad again), so not sure when I'll be over.
Raggy is the Sunday train trip inland on again, if so what are the details, just in case I'm around.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Muppett
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 09:17 AM

OOPS THAT LAST ENTRY WAS ME (MUPPETT)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 09:32 AM

See you in the Arncliffe on sunday then chaps!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 10:25 AM

Maggie and I are hoping to be with you in Glaisdale on the Sunday. Our bus gets into Whitters at 12 noon. What time to train to Glaisdale? Or where do we go when we get there?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

From memory the train leaves whitby at 12.36 arriving Glaisdale 13.04, last train back leaves Glaisdale 14.16 arriving Whitby just before 4.44ish. This all takes place on Sunday 21 August and is for the discerning folkie !
As last year we will have a raffle to rias efunds for the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat (any donations of prises will be gratefully accepted) and to this we will add the cash we raised in a whip round in the Black Horse last Sunday, about £30 - not actually counted it yet. A great big thank you to all those there who contributed.

Incidentally Muppett you should inform your daughter that having children during folk week is unacceptable and she should forego the pleasures during December just to make sure it doesn't happen again

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 11:24 AM

Nah then Raggytash

The Tap and Spile singaround is famous Worldwide and certainly mentioned in dispatches as being one of the very best singing sessions in the UK ~ rivalling Sidmouth singarounds

Visit the Tap and you will be astounded at the folkie famous who drop in even Malcolm Storey has been known to visit

Nowadays I tend to drop in and out, as the room gets far too full,
I don't doubt the merits of other happening during the week and of course it is each to his own for enjoyment

You will of course find me singing every where I feel inclined and musicians and singers always seem to go their own way

Booker and me have been attending some 35 years and spent many hours encouraging other singers to sing

We have seen people come and go in many different ways and are left with many memories

The pastime is painless and enjoyable and long may it be so, PELs
and beauracy permitting

I am not there for self centred reasons,and many years I haven't been able to get into the Friday finale; I like to listen and have done so at very many singarounds throughout the country, as well as taking my turn

I do not however believe in rudderless singarounds and free for alls in open pub rooms, Mcing is difficult to maintain democracy

Such a room is the singers room at the Tap, now in the capable hands of Judy Knight helped by the likes of Jim McDonald, Ken Johnson, Maggie, Rob and a few others who know how to run such happenings

Ray Padgett

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 11:46 AM

"The Tap and Spile singaround is famous Worldwide and certainly mentioned in dispatches as being one of the very best singing sessions in the UK ~ rivalling Sidmouth singarounds"


Strooooooth…..don't let the Sidmouth threads hear you say that they will never be off this thread.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 11:53 AM

I suppose the only people who would be able to tell would be people who've been to both on many occasions. I've not been to Sidmouth. Anyway, who says it's a competition? As long as people are having fun, who cares? But I will put in a small word of appreciation for th'organiser. Ta, Jude.

Thanks Raggy for the Glaisdale info - it looks like we might be able to join you. We've got a fresh tube of Evostik!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 01:33 PM

Raymond me owd luv, me tongue wuz firmly stuck in me cheek, ay an' not the one on me arse

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 01:43 PM

Good for you didn't know you were a contortionist anyway!

You have to blow yer own trumpet occasionally, the one in the mouth I mean!

be happy!

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 04:48 PM

I assume all Sam Smiths houses are still silent.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 05:07 PM

Very likely and EMPTY and lifeless folk week

The death of a Public house?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Gillie
Date: 02 Aug 05 - 08:26 PM

Possib. SAD Sigh.............

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Geoff Lawes
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM

"Guest-Help ", You could get free camping on one of the official campsites if you volunteer to steward - plus free entry to any other event when you are not working (can you really call it"work "collecting ticket money and then sitting in a concert that you would want to be in anyway??)I can`t give you a contact for it because I am at present in Kyoto (waiting for my washing to dry) but if you express an interest there is bound to be a Mudcatter who will come up with Malcolm or Elaine`s e-mail address

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Gillie
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 03:20 PM

http://www.folkwhitby.co.uk/Stewards%20-%20Volunteers.htm

http://www.folkwhitby.co.uk/Stewards%20-%20Volunteers.htm

Try this Clicky to volunteer for stewarding

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Michael
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 03:58 PM

GUEST Help:
We have camped (not for festival, have season tickets)at Broadings Farm - 01947 601542.
It's on Guisborough Road, about 2 miles out of town and not expensive.

Mike

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 05:50 PM

If I could get to Whitby for just one day, excluding the weekends, which day should I choose please?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: treewind
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 05:55 PM

Whichever day is easiest for you. It'll all be good!

We'll* be there again - I think we're performing every day, which is against Malcolm's usual rule (one day off) but only one or two events per day so fair enough.

Anahata
*(MH&A)

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: vectis
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 06:21 PM

Liz and I are hoping to be there as usual. Keep a seat in the T&S warm for me.
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Rattler
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 07:27 PM

Camping - Cross Butts Farm on the A171 Guisborough Rd (approx 1 1/2 miles) has been an alternative campsite in recent years - might well do so this year with the demand - sorry, no phone no.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,One who likes to help
Date: 03 Aug 05 - 08:30 PM

Broadings is probably the best bet for camping.

The festival has a full complement of stewards.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 02:01 PM

Anyone made any alternative plans for Whitby pubs now that the Plough is off limits?

Tap and Spile
Jolly Sailor
Endeavour
Middle Earth
Elsinore
Black Horse
Fleece
Wellington
George
Board
Duke of York
Shambles

Anyone know any others and ifs and buts??
Folkie friendly

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:01 PM

Where is and what is "The Middle Earth" pub like?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 05:13 PM

Hy Martin

You need to be on the Church Street side of Whitby [Abbey steps SIDE]
find the Endeavour and just keep walking on that side of the road and you will encounter the Middle Earth 5 mins walk ish harbourside

The Middle Earth is in the row of houses/other property, has some accommodation quite large open dark main room gets full of musicians bit off the beaten track

Likely has some fest workshops eg musicians
Popular evenings
Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Rattler
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 05:30 PM

Jo & Mo's Marathon singarounds have moved to the rifle Club "Office" this year. Another pub that may be friendly to folkies is the "First in, Last out" (I think it's Park Terrace, behind the Hospital) There have been weekly sessions there.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 05:32 PM

Hi Martin, George Garside does his Slow & Steady sessions there. The 'Elsinore' has sessions every night, also 'The Lunchtime Legends' do 2-3 hrs of rock n roll there on Wed lunchtime. The 'Lunchtime Legends' being Alison Younger, vocals, (Mrs Ackroyd Band)in her persona of 'Candy Rell', Chris Harvey, Keyboards (Mrs Ackroyd Band / Strawhead), Clive Pownceby, Drums (Bothy organiser / M C), Nev Grundy, Guitar/vocals,(Bothy resident). Get there early to see the surprise warm up act, (if the coastguard can find him in time!)
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:23 PM

Manitas there a a good programme of events for Limpet and I'm sure Maddie will enjoy having her along. Children in performance is always good.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: bill\sables
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 04:05 AM

Mudcat tee shirts will be on sale at the Spa Pavilion in the Musical Instrument trade / Graft Fair. Look out for my stand with a great variety of instruments but mostly Vintage U.S.A Banjos and Fiddles. I will have Red and Blue shirts and patches on sale there
Cheers Bill

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 07:16 AM

"Any others?" Well offhand there are:

Little Angel - Folk friendly as a rule

Ship - Folk friendly, has been known for near endless instument sessions

Buck - Mixed receptions in the past, sometimes OK, sometines hostile

Bottom House - Has occasional folky acts, has hosted some official bits of the festival, unsure whether that includes this year, and attitude to impromptu folkiness unknown

Jolly Sailor - (Sorry Ray) Sam Smiths house so now in the same position as the Plough

Dolphin - consistently folk-hostile in the past

Golden Lion - Not been tried to my knowledge, front room is tiny, the back room larger, but very much a regular customers' place

Granby - Not folk-friendly, but good for food

Whitby Arms - Unknown quantity, might merit a small trial visit, but with limited expectations

Stakesby Arms - You want to slog it out there for a 60's estate pub? You're a better man than I.

Black Swan & Big Angel (New Angel) - Loud pop music & plenty of fighting, not my bag, thank you.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Bill t' bodger
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 09:10 AM

Please remember the campsites CANNOT open before 4pm on Friday and the stewards have a rush to contend with so be patient and consider local residents especially at the Stakesby campsite

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:19 AM

Thanks gnomad I did know about Jolly Sailor, Buck is next door should be ok

Golden Lion very likely Folk ok, front room needs checking (its directly opposite the swing bridge at the bottom of the passage which goes up the hill ~ if you know what I mean!

Little Angel needs checking s/b ok

no idea Stakesby,


Big Angel, might be too big leave some for normal tourists!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:22 PM

I wonder what will transpire if any rapper sides doing a rapper tour, try to dance in a Sam Smith's pub?
The Jolly Sailor is usually a target.
In, get a drink, dance(5 min Max), finish drink, out. Bin & gone no one the wiser?
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:26 PM

Rapper musician will be ejected end of story!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Tig
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM

The Sam's landlords have been made to sign new contracts agreeing to no forms of music on their premises so please don't try it otherwise they could well be out of a job - a hard blow as well as losing their trade over folk week!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Willa
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

Martin
Middle earth is programmed for music sessions Sunday to Friday, 5 - 7pm each night, different leaders each time.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,one who likes to help
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 08:11 PM

The Buck is Sam Smith's too - or was!

Bottom House has never actually hosted official events - although some were scheduled one year when they pulled out at the last minute.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,aelfleda
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 08:16 AM

Im not going to get into debates about singarounds but ta for all the comments & I'll try & keep seats warm for Mary & Liz.
Broadings Farm is a definite possibility for tents - unfortunately they're not listed in the local phone book. However, Cross Butts Farm, which is also a possibility (both on Guisborough Rd & next door to one another) is 01947 820986.
Hope this helps you guys who are struggling to find sites
See you all soon
Jude

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:17 AM

CORRECTIONS

1 When I typed Whitby Arms I should have typed Star, name changed years ago, sorry.

2 Buck; This is a Smiths house, but it is John of that ilk, rather than Sam, so it is not affected by Humphrey's tantrums.

ADDITIONAL INFO

There is talk of the Friendship Rowing Club possibly accepting folky trade. They provide the new venue for the Whitby Folk Club on wednesdays. A nice place, but the real ale crowd are likely to be unhappy with it.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 04:45 PM

Hey Jude!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 06:06 PM

midle earth also programed for musicians sessions mon - fri 1 to 3 pm different leaders etc
b

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 08:01 PM

Broadings is listed on the official Whitby Folk Week website - www.folkwhitby.co.uk.

Cross Butts may well decide to take advantage of the increase in camping demand brought about by Whitby Folk Week. They have not been doing any camping having moved up market with a restaurant that has drawn the crowds recently. However they are farming stock and so are probably not averse to making a bob or two from other diversifications! No guarantees though.

Your man is right about the Buck being John rather than Sam but they have never been particularly folk friendly.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 02:55 AM

Hy gnomad just how old and how far back do you with Whitby Arms!

The Star (just round from Seamans' Mission) has been the Star as far back as I can remember!

Likes of Bob and Hazel Spray stayed there and i remember Harry Boardman and Jim Potter playing darts in there

They use to have brasses on the walls, pinched by a set of rockers back in the 70s and we weren't welcome any more!

Probably a new landlord or two since then

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 04:35 AM

I anticipate problems in the Black Horse during folk week, Sue the landlady has problems with complaints about noise from her neighbour. Last Sunday afternoon she complained about noise and there were only 5 musicians playing individually one after the other, so there wasn't a great degree of volume. This has been on-going for some time and during folk week I do not think the neighbour will ease off.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM

Who are her neigbours Nick?

When were they playing (day/time) in the front or back?

Is she licensed for music?

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

You could always busk outside the neigbours house then it would not involve the pub

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:10 AM

I am led to believe it is the owner of the shop next door "Fancy That" I think, she has been complaining about noise ever since she moved in some years ago. I know and you know that if you move next door to a pub you should expect noise but she doesn't seem to think this is so. We were playing in the back room during the day about 1.00 till about 3.00 and as far as I am aware Sue does have a music licence

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:41 AM

She's going to have to 'lump it' cant expect pubs to be quiet during folk week, one of the most lucrative times of the year

Cannot stop it during day time, but the landlady will have to watch late nights ~ or will that be when Church St will be deserted?

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 09:05 AM

Sue asked us to keep the noise down mid-afternoon following a complaint from this woman, in the past she has involved both the police and the licencing authorities in her complaints against landlords of the Black Horse, Sue it would seem wants to keep things on an amicable basis but I doubt if this woman is prepared to compromise in any way

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 10:38 AM

Right thing to do is gazump her. Do it now

Tell the police and the local authority that this is the most important week of the year in terms of revenue and the law is made to protect both licensees and other shop owners, and ~

A balance needs to be stuck in terms of give and take and continued complaints from next door are now being view as harassment against herself as a reasonable licensee and her customers, who are seeking legitimate enjoyment at a noise level which is not inconsistent with such activities.

Then see what happens!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM

Excellent idea best form of defence is attack, in this case done in a resonable manner.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:08 AM

why not just relax and enjoy the festival instead of   talking/thinking in warlike terms of defence and attack, there are plenty of places to play in without geting bogged down over the fate of one place and it's problems. Relax and enjoy - I will!
cheers
BB

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:52 AM

Au Contraire Buttonbox, with the Plough being off-limits there will be hundreds of people looking for alternative venues. If you consider how many people crammed into the Plough front room, both back rooms and the yard who will now be trying to squeeze into much smaller venues that in previous years were normally full to capacity anyway there are serious considerations regarding space. Although the Black Horse is tiny (20 people in the back room make it look crowded)it is a favoured venue and as such will be a great loss if one individual is allowed to dictate to the landlady. I also consider it valid to make people aware of potential problems before the event so that the landlady herself is not castigated.

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:55 AM

Agree, there will me many people looking for places to play, so it seems common sense to discuss and research prior to folk getting there, this can only help

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 07:02 AM

The same goes for camping, or lack of it. I first posted back in May advising of the reduction in camping, many people may just turn up expecting to camp at Stoupes Cross or Whitby Holiday park only to find there is no space available locally, it is much better to inform as many people as possible in advance so they can make informed decisions and plan where to stay

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: pericles
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:19 AM

Hello All,
                  Up-date on the pub front!
         The Buck's got new people in,not sure if folkie friendly or not i'll go and ave a gander.
         The Board also has new people in and they are.Even caught the landlord singing last week.Just throw in a couple of fishing songs and we'll be fine!Got to be the gift shop complaining next to the Black Horse,cos the other side is Justins and he is into all singing,even his own,Ive sung my heart out in The Black Horse and no-ones told me to be quiet.YET!
                                  TTFN X X

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: vikki
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:30 PM

Hi, Buttonbox question marked whether sandsend is caravans only, so i just thought i would let you know that it is, i heard that they arent even taking trailer tents this year either which they did do in the past.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:30 AM

Pericles ..... the problem in the Black Horse is long standing, the previous two landlords for the most part ignored it, although the last landlord Steve has visitations from the Police and licencing authorities on more than one occasion (but he was known to party till the ealry hours ......... I wasn't there Guv, 'onest I was in our house watching Banana Splits ..... la la la lala la la, la la la lala la la)

Sue is trying to walk a thin line

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:18 AM

Still need to talk to police and assure them that she will abide by all regulations however a public house is a public house and if licensed for music a reasonable level of noise is what is only to be expected particulary Folk week and NOT amplified at all

Give and take is expected from both sides, many of the tourists are there mainly for Folk week anyway and all should benefit

Many years shops and pubs change owners due to non viablility
Whitby in the Winter has a very high unemployment level and summer is the only time when the pubs and shops take enough to see them thro the winter

Shops shouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water
Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:24 AM

I still like the busking idea outside her house/shop

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:26 AM

Come to think of it, where are the best busking places at Whitby during the festival to both watch and play please, any rules etc?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

Indiscriminate busking during folk week is not welcomed by the festival for obvious reasons and by the police because they would prefer a quiet life. People willing to busk for the festival are welcome but they are asked to contact the office to obtain a permit and also be advised of the "official" sites.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 03:50 AM

They "official" sites are sites designated by the festival, but you can just set up and busk in your own right if you wish, many do, and its very enjoyable to.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,SirTK
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:34 AM

Accommodation is really difficult for camping anywhere reasonable. The old Haven had space but declined my folding camper so trailer tents will have no chance.

Have these places had trouble with people in tents or something?

I'm booked in at Rigg Farm caravan park about 3 miles out so will have to use taxis. Or I could just stay off the drink I suppose.

Like I said, taxis.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

Suggestions have been made for an official gathering during folk week, possibly in the Black Horse later in the week - maybe Thursday?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:42 AM

Hellooooooooo Mrs Duck, don't think the Black Horse would be big enough, would it?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: MC Fat
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:52 AM

Not if you want to fit me in......By the way all fings considered it looks as though my long awaited dosh should be through this week so i will be a Whitters...yippee

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM

Doubt if everyone would turn up at once Raggy. We can always spill out onto the alleyway.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:06 PM

Good to hear that Jim, see you there. Sure they'll squeeze me and you in!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

Mines a pint Jimmy !!

Gathering probably best in the big room Tap and Spile whenever, bearing in mind poss treasure hunt etc

Say Thursday am ?? 11am

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM

Know nothing about any treasure hunt Ray. 11am is likely to clash with workshops and things isn't it? But you may be right about size. I'm easy whichever.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:08 PM

Yep Jude usually has things happening in the week
Wed pm Egton show and of course the festival proper anyone any bright ideas!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:42 PM

Never had a tresure hunt during folk week though

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

If you make it Thursday we will miss it - Anahata and I are down at Robin Hood's Bay for the afternoon.
Keep us posted.
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:45 PM

Too late to keep me posted - I start on the long trek North (from Devon) later this morning. Looking forward to seeing you folks again especially in the Tap and Spile.

If you want a break from singing come and dance (or play) with Herbaceous Border 3.45pm Mon-Fri at Scoresby Monument. Mary H, we'd love to have you dance with us again .... but this time don't put your hand in the way of that big stick like you did at Miskin!

Sue

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:54 PM

Re Busking.
Yes you can busk anywhere and to hell with anyone!
The problem is that the townspeople are inundated some of the time with amplified buskers and this creates a certian amount of antipathy to the festival week. The festival therefore tries to ask people to be reasonable. But then maybe some folks just don't care!?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Whitby Lover
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:46 AM

Whatby your name, darlin?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: muppett
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 04:35 AM

Grandchild number 2 still inside Mum's tummy so I could be there on Sunday !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,aelfleda
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:18 PM

Think Ray's had a senior moment on the treasure hunt front...that happens at New Year Raymond!
Mind - I have got one to two things up my sleeve.
Jim - don't forget your front row!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:18 PM

Tell us more about the Glaisdale train session. It isn't in the programme but it sounds a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon!
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 03:31 PM

My senior moments are becoming more frequent Jude, old age and infirmity etc Jude!!

Booker is in his rather boozy phase and with wandering hands so best all watch out ~ he must think he's Fred Jordan, he's telling more jokes, unfortunatley they are all the flippin old ones

Doctor evry time i touch my knee I get a very bad pain

O dear

Every time I touch arm I get a very bad pain

O dear


Every time I touch my leg I get a pain

O dear______ Wait for it!!!


Yes you have broken your finger

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 07:07 PM

The Glaisdale train session started 5 years ago when Regatta Weekend and Folk Week clashed, I wrote and suggested to a small group that it might be a good idea to decamp for Sunday Lunchtime as the pubs may be full of non-folkies not conducive to the ambiance of our sessions (mainly singing)
On the Sunday morning, instead of the 20 -30 people I had anticipated there were about 50-60, the conductor of the train who normally has about 3 people and the occasional dog was astounded !
Since then a similar number sometimes slightly more catch the train to Glaisdale and spend the afternoon (mainly, but not exclusively) singing and making merry. Last year we had a raffle and whip round for the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat, which is not sponsored by the RNLI.
You are more than welcome to join us, it's a very free and easy session, the pub has good beer and if you desire a decent menu.
Train out approx 12.35 last train back approx 16.15 and Ossenflags and I try to time Erci Bogle's Leaving Nancy to coincide with the bumpers ............ We managed it once or twice after singing the chorus more than once!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Soldier boy
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 11:33 PM

Like you all I have been going to Whitby Folk Week for yonks and have loved the sessions in The Plough. But many-slates-short-of-a-roof-Humphrey (chairman of sam smiths brewery)has destroyed that joy and shot himself in the foot big time by banning all singing/playing.
It's not for the likes of me to try to make sense of such a crazy decision but I very much feel for the landlords/landladys who are left in an impossible position. How can they possibly police "Humphreys' Law" without causing ill feeling and hostility?
I have been told that the landlord at the Plough is fast approaching retirement and must be living in fear of this years festival because if one of Humphreys "spies", or even Humphrey himself, paid a visit and heard just a smidging of playing/singing he could be evicted within 24 hours!! I can't verify this exactly but if it's true it is a very sober reason to act rationally. Just vote with your feet and let this years massive loss of takings speak volumes. Peace brothers!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 05:34 AM

What you say Soldier Boy is very pertinant, I have spoken to Gil several times recently and the scenario you suggest is accurate. He is expecting a visitation from Humphrey during the week and may be ousted should any music take place. I think we owe Gil a debt for his endeavours over the past ten years to ensure ourselves that no music takes place and explain to those who may not know the circumstances

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 05:49 AM

I will second that sentiment, Raggy.

I cannot find it now, but I'm sure someone mentioned the Shambles' music licence position, and as I didn't see the end of the matter in the Whitby Gazette I popped in yesterday to check:

Unfortunately the boss wasn't there to give a definitive reply, but the staff expected to be without music next week, so it does not look good.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: ossonflags
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 08:23 AM

I think I counted eleven choruses the last time Raggy !!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 02:47 AM

it's almost time

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 04:05 AM

Should be there about 3 O'clock tomorrow, anyone fancy an early session

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM

Raggy

I expect to arrive tomorrow afternoon, so hope to find you in Endeavour or thereabouts once I've checked into B&B.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:03 AM

hi Kitty

it will be lovely to see you again, either the Endeavour or the Black Horse

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:24 AM

Oh my, what to pack? (apart from bucket & spade). The met office 5day weather for Whitby is Sun (today), rain, rain, rain,rain, but the BBC 5 day forcast for Whitby is Sun (today), light rain, cloud, sun, sun. Who's right? neither I suspect. Just as long as the camp site is dryer than last year.
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:06 AM

Which site Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

See you Sunday - don't forget your walking cane Raggy

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

No matter which it will chuck it down with rain driving everyone into the pubs except Sam Smiths

Well t'harbour side pubs'll do alreight then waint the

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: MMario
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:43 AM

SO - - -

How many US catters y'all gonna have at Whitby?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,guest-bev
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 12:15 PM

Can anyone tell me how good the facilities are at the official camp site? I hope I can plug my iron in some where.I know I sound sad, but ihave enough wrinkles without sporting them on nmy clothes as well.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 01:18 PM

There will be at least 2 US Catters - Dick Greenhaus and Susan of DT, who have just left us in East Anglia after an overnight stay, en route to Bill Sables and thence to Whitby.
We expect to meet up with them sometime during the week. Sue will be at the ballad sessions at the Con club all week from the sound of things....We are performing all over the place, so look out for us folks! I recommend the Sussex Ceilidh at the Met on Monday for a lot of excercise and fun.
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Grab
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 01:54 PM

OnlineWeather is my regular site. Their verdict...

Forecast is wet on Friday, then sunshine and showers until Wednesday. Then the cloud and rain moves in, and it'll be cloudy the rest of the week. The main thing though is the WIND! No, not a few thousand campers eating beans, but a good breeze most of the way through, and a solid 20-30mph blow around Tuesday/Wednesday. At least the temperature doesn't look too bad, although the wind-chill will suck out most of the warmth.

So if you're camping and you're not too experienced with your tent, make sure you find someone camper than thou (ducky!) who can help you get it pitched solidly. That way you should escape excessive moistness and flysheets living up to their name.

As for what to bring, I'd say plenty of windproof stuff.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: nutty
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 03:08 PM

A bit of wind will be welcome otherwise the venues will become unbearably hot.
The last two days are an example of this.
Temperatures in the high sixties and so opressive at present. (good job I have a large electric fan that's been working flat out all day)
Some rain will also mean that I won't have to worry about the garden while I'm away.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 03:21 PM

Stakesby Raggy, It was a quagmire last year. Someone had to leave mid week to get back to a funeral & it took several stewards 4 hrs to get their Motorhome off the site. Not helped be a rescue truck on Fri night, bringing a stranded car, from driving straight on to the site ignoring efforts by stewards to stop him. Needless to say he promptly sank into the mud.
Bev, the facilities are so so, you may find a socket in the school if you are granted access.
I will be arriving Fri teatime & after hitting the eateries of Whitby i,ll make to the Tap & Spile.
Cheers
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Bill t' bodger
Date: 18 Aug 05 - 07:46 PM

You'ver no chance on the iron front, like the rest of us you'll have to pick clothes that don't matter or pack well.
I hope the threatened rain holds off or I will be mightily upset and sore throated on the campsites. PLEASE be kind to me I have a very long week that has already started and I want to enjoy it too

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:24 AM

Setting off in 2 hours ......... YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Abuwood
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:22 AM

Thanks for the pub info one and all, see you tomorrow!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:53 AM

The weather looks iffy - so the pubs'll be packed - even the Plough might pick up some custom!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:03 AM

Have a good time, y'all,looking forward to pix later. Whitby was pretty full when we visited in April, can't imagine what it's like with all you extra folk folk there!

RtS

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: nutty
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM

Just about to set off for Whitby. Going to Robin Hood's Bay Folk Club tonight so may see some of you there.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:49 AM

Any one fancy speaking a few songs in the plough? He cant stop us talking ,can he? I would like to recite a song as if its a poem.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:24 PM

I'll be there to back you with a liberal sprinkling of air-chords

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,bev
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:54 PM

I am in support of a speaking session in the plough.Fancy setting a time?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:53 PM

Mudcat gathering will almost certainly be Thursday pm at a venue to be decided. I'm still in favour of back room at Black Horse on the grounds that people will drift in and out so don't need a huge space and Tap and Spile is already in use for singaround and usually music session in main bar. Watch for posters.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: brid widder
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:39 PM

I think I'd enjoy a speaking session but have decided Humphrey will not benefit from my hard earned cash....I'll go only where I know we are welcome....

we'll be leaving later today!!! see you all soon

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Gillie
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:35 AM

Mudcat gather today in The Board at 1.00p.m.

I've just arrived back, so wont be there. Have had a wonderful few days, on the fringe. Meet lots of catters and made some new friends and renewed old aquantences.

Thanks to Richard Beswick who helped to put my tent back together after it ripping in the 40/50 hour winds on Tuesday night - I owe you some gaffer tape mate!!!

Next stop Bridgnorth.

Gillie

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:45 AM

Yep got to the Mudcat Gathering in the Board, both early and late due to a meeting regarding Yorkshire song collecting

Very nice to meet Dick and Susan Greenhaus from the Mudcat and one or two others i haven't met before and chatting re threads in the Mudcat and current issues concerning UK pub law etc, integral to Folk music in the UK

I regret I saw little of the official festival, having had a hectic weekend ~ good to see Vin Garbut on Sunday in the Tap, with Betsy, Graeme Knights in good form (yer little devil)!!
Hope Rae Fisher on then mend!

Thanks to Mrs and Mr Duck (Jane and Geoff) for all their hard work

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Naemanson
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 01:35 PM

We had a great time. Didn't see much of the festival but enjoyed Whitby very much. At least my upper half enjoyed Whitby. My legs did not and still remind me of the abuse they had to endure.

I enjoyed meeting a bunch of the Mudcats at The Board. I finally met the Ducks, Geoff and Mrs., and Badger and Gillie and Roy and the other Roy, and a few more. We stayed with Dick and Susan so I guess you can say we met them too. I hope everyone enjoyed Wakana's singing of I've Been Working On The Railroad and My Grandfather's Clock. I'm not sure everyone could hear her singing from where she was. Dick started to play My Grandfather's Clock on the banjo and she started to sing it in Japanese so he encouraged her and off they went.

Very nice time. You folks have a lovely place to have a festival.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:06 PM

Which explains why there was nobody in the back bar of the Black Lion as apparently was planned. My tent doesn't have a broadband connection so I missed the Thursday message about the Board on the Thursday. Not a bit pissed off. No, really.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 06:30 PM

Well, guest, we didn't have broadband either which is why the posters were made of paper and black crayon (sorry no felt tips)and put up at the Spa and Tap and Spile. The venue was never certain before we got there anyway. Final count for Mudcatters that did manage to read them was close to thirty and it was really nice to meet new names and faces as well as catch up with old friends. Really enjoyed meeting Naemonson and Wakana and think 'I've been working on the railroad' sounds much better in Japanese!
Only 358 days until we get to do it all over again!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Grab
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:19 PM

Excellent fun, meeting up with people who you kind-of-know off the Cat! Maybe I'm strange in that I don't try and build pictures of what people look like - seems like others do though. When I met Susan and Dick, Susan said, "I thought you'd be an old man." I'm still not sure whether that's a compliment or not... :-)

I took a few photos at the Board. >This Ofoto album, assuming it works, has the pictures. (I've never tried this before, so PM me if the link doesn't come up with a photo album.)

Not sure the Whitby festival was really my cup of tea, to be honest. Partly it was that folkies were vastly outnumbered by average holidaymakers who didn't care about the music, so there wasn't much of a "carnival" atmosphere that you get at some other place. But mainly I think that the festival organisers are more traditional than I am - there seemed to be a shortage of songwriters and an excess of unaccompanied singers. Not that this is bad, it's just not my thing. Don't get me wrong, it was still bloody good fun! but I'll probably be doing somewhere else next year.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Surreysinger
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 06:38 PM

I'm not sure where the "average holiday makers" figured in festival events/concerts, other than standing around and watching the dancers at locations such as the bandstand and the Cook Monument. I certainly wasn't aware of many (if any) at the concerts and workshops that I attended during the week. As to a "shortage of songwriters", not as far as I was concerned! They're the last thing that I would personally want to see. This was, after all, a traditional folk festival, at which you would expect to find a large number of unaccompanied folksingers. Whitby is known as a festival celebrating that type of act, as far as I am aware, and thank heavens for that!

Just goes to show that we all expect and like different things (and don't all go to the same events) I suppose ?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Grab
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 08:33 AM

Sure, we all go for different things! As I said, Whitby was fun, but not quite my scene.

Re the "average holiday makers", my experience at other festivals has been that the music was the focus for everyone in that area, so even if they weren't specifically there for the music, they'd be sat in a pub while people were playing in the pub garden. And the places have been full of musicians, whether actively busking or just sitting around and playing for fun.

At Whitby, if it wasn't for the dance sides, you could have spent the entire week in the town and been unaware that there was a folk festival happening. All the workshops, concerts and impromptu sessions happened behind closed doors, and I've never seen so few buskers in a town centre before. Maybe a better way of putting it is not that we were outnumbered by the "average holiday makers", but that the "average holiday makers" didn't know anything was happening or where to find the music if they wanted to.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 09:33 AM

Festival managers try to impose a ban on buskers unless they dictate where they play. The money also has to be given to the festival.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 10:46 AM

I am aware that the organisers try to limit busking but how they are supposed to collect any revenue from them is beyond me, should I ever feel inclined to busk they would not receive one penny nor do I see any reason they should. Interesting topic of conversation me thinks, separate thread required ?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Splott Man
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 04:36 AM

Didn't know about the Mudcat gather, so didn't make it, sorry. Saw a few Mudcatters we already knew, but would like to have met a few more, especially Dick & Sue.

Whitby is a vast festival with over 600 events, I suppose most of us are lucky if we get to more than 30.

Nice to see Malcolm organised the usual wide selection of weather this year. Hot on arrival (for us) on Sunday, gale on Tuesday, but no real downpour till Wednesday, and cold later in the week.

The impromptu Team Campsite was a better location from our point of view, obviously the facilities could have been better, but we coped. And it was very handy for the Rugby Club concerts (obvious that really).

Splott Man

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 03:11 PM

I'm sorry I missed the Mudgather in the Board (a duck told me it was on), but I was singing in the Fiery Nelson show in the Resolution at the time. But at least I did get to say hello to Dick and Susan in the Mudgather at Towersey on Sunday.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 11:19 AM

Come on, is no-one going to tell me that should I chose to busk in Whitby during folk week I have an obligation NAY ! a duty to hand over the proceeds to the festival commitee

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 11:47 AM

Raggytash

Of course you should give all the proceeds to the committee, after expenses of course in the local hostelries.....you need somewhere to count it.

Committee my arse

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:56 AM

It IS a one-off Festival Whitby , unique for many good and bad reasons.
The difficult thing for many is , that, it is ( basically ) a Monday to Friday festival and not a weeekend one, so it attracts certain types of people. It is not everyone who can give up a weeks work to go to a Festival and holidays these days seem usaully to be spent in more exotic climes like Benidorm , though I don't subscribe that type of thing myself.
So we are left with enthusiasts who take a weeks holiday from work, school teachers , unwaged , students , retired persons ,and the occasional wage slave from the surrounding areas who is going to work the next morning with a hangover and Oh !!! the captain of the sailing ship, tied up opposite the Tap and Spile. There are also quite a few lapsed folkies who are wandering around , in and out of boozers, reliving their youths at Whitby Fest.and therefore it is, -what it IS and in general I enjoyed my visits on the Sunday and the Thursday night ( I think it was ).
Like any situation you generally only get out what you put into it - but - I must take exception to the pony tailed barman marshalling people away from the 1st Room on the right at the entrance of the Tap and Spile on the Thursday night .
How the Fuck does he know who is a Folkie or not - and it's nothing to do with him.
Unfortunately it appears that a sterile, self-congratulary, pseudo elitist bunch inside , had coached him into keeping out the riff raff.
Such Elitism especially when self proclaimed has no place in a busy well used folkie pub , far better that they all find a pub ( which no nornmal person wants to go to in any case) than practice the miserable and silly action of exclusion, but it doesn't work unless it's already in a busy place , and that's part of their buzz.
Unfortunately Whitby - like other Festivals can be like THAT but just try to remember the good bits.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: MC Fat
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:25 AM

'a sterile, self-congratulary, pseudo elitist bunch inside'
'Such Elitism especially when self proclaimed has no place in a busy well used folkie pub'
As one of the sterile self congratulary puesdo elite. I for one had a great time in the Tap singaround and can only point to the fact Betsy that it is reknowned as one of the top singarounds in the f*cking country. The barman was told to do a job in order not to make the small room unbearably packed. Still if it keeps people who talk bollocks like you out then he's done a good job.
Pip pip love and peace
Jim

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Chalkie
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:41 AM

Hi Betsy,

I too with a couple of mates tried to get in the front room of the Spile - Mon night I think - and was told to queue, I think by probably the same pony tailed doorman. They were letting two out and two in or three out and three in etc. I don't think it was a case of elitism, I've never found that anywhere in Whitby, just a case of very busy.

We just went across the bridge and started our own session in the Black Horse.

Had to leave on Tuesday, but I'd sung that many rousing songs Sat through to Tues - every sesh - that my voice had gone anyway but had a fanastic time yet again.

As for "not quite my scene" - Grab above - the beauty about Whitby is that if you don't like whats going off in one corner/pub, you go round to the next one. I've always thought you could find just about every colour of folk at Whitby. Though perhaps you do need to know where to go however, but, if you don't, all you need to do is ask.

Still a damn shame about the Plough though.

Otley just round the corner and Hull Sea Fever this weekend. What a great time of year!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 09:12 AM

Hi Betsy

Got to add my bit, it is not basically a Monday to friday festival as you suggest, some people start to gather on the Thursday preceeding with many more arriving on the Friday. As for the T & S there are plenty of other venues, Black Horse, Fleece, Middle Earth, Little Angel, Elsinore, Bord, Buck and Endeavour to name but a few.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:03 AM

Betsy is right though. I looked into "that room" again but would'nt have wanted to go in even if I could - the whole unwelcoming nature of the place screams out "fuck off, we don't want you in here". Fortunately, looking through the window it always seems such a joyless place anyway. I'm not one for singarounds in any case as I find most people who, like me can't sing, still insist on doing so.

The big problem with Whitby is that they hold it in the school holidays when the town is already full of mostly lowlife with 5.4 children and 2.4 dogs each, all seemingly determined on coating the visible surface of Whitby with spilt ice cream, fish & chips, puke and dog shit. Hence you can't get into a campsite or a car park for love nor money. Outside of school holidays, Whitby is a gem, but I can't imagine what our overseas visitors thought of the state of the place.

Or am I just having a bad day.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:05 AM

The 'secret' to getting into the front singaround room at the Tap and Spile is to arrive before the room is full up! We have suffered in the past as more and more people crowd around the doorway. In order to avoid an ugly incident involving MC Fat or me being unable to get to the bar or the toilet, the landlord and landlady arrange for this door to be policed. The pony-tailed barman doesn't have to know who is a folkie or not, but he can tell people who have left the room minutes earlier on one or other of the aforementioned missions.

In the case of other comments Whitby Folk Week is not everyone's cup of tea. Yes it heavily leans towards the traditional, and has ever since it was started by the EFDSS. This is a major feature of the festival, so if you're looking for singer-songwriters or 'world music' exclusively, you may be at the wrong festival.

Sessions, singarounds etc. - these happen either regularly (like the front room of the Tap, afternoon and evening for the last 11 years and the same at the Moor and Coast Festival as well) or impromtly. So if you want a particular kind of session, ask someone who goes regularly or find a friendly venue and start your own.

In my experience folkies are the most friendly and helpful of people who will go out of their way to help other enthusiasts.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:12 AM

Unnamed GUEST - if you don't like singarounds, can't sing, and can't tell when people are having a good time, it's probably best that you didn't go into that room - you wouldn't have enjoyed it!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:20 AM

The Tap & Spile has for many years been tagged and cliquish and elitist. Why it is tagged elitist be is beyond me as most of the participants can't sing anyway, but they do seem to know each other well which could be taken for being cliquish by someone walking in off the street

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:31 AM

Yes we get that a lot from people who've never been there!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,The Wanderer
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 11:13 AM

It would seem that the guest has been there if they maintain that most of the participants can't sing but seem to know each other well

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 11:18 AM

Guest - Next year come on the Glaisdale train on the Sunday of Folk Week, we welcome everyone, don't have bouncers (sorry doormen, with or without pony tails)and have a great time, we also raise a bob or two for the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat.
Let's leave the subject of the T & S it's been done to death, each to their own, the lads and Lassie's who frequent the place are fine, and a good number of them are friends.


Les .......... you owe me a pint for that ! and you too Jim

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 11:20 AM

Well I didn't know that singarounds were only for people who can sing and don't know each other!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Partridge
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 11:58 AM

Hi, I just posted to this thread and for some reason it did not appear, so I'm trying again.

I only managed to go to the festival for a couple of hours on sunday. These I spent in the tap - it was a quiet singaround and no one was turned away while I was there.

Many years ago when I did whitby on my own the folks from the tap rescued me from a local loony and made my whitby experience one of the most memorable of my life! (I've really missed you all this year - hoping for better luck re: accommodation next year)


Now I go there to see my friends and enjoy the week - I'm not one of lifes performers and prefer to join in choruses. If you think its elitist that sad. As Les said.........

Pat x

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Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 01:53 PM

Well if you bloody think me and Booker can ever be accused of being elitist then you don't know us!

I totally agree with Les's remarks above

Jude did another fine job, it isnt easy to MC singarounds keep everything democratic, help out, take glasses to the bar,find lost words, newcomers welcomed, think up games and other diversions ~ come out after a week without voice, pissed and broke!!

I seem to think I posted the fact that the room is the best venue to sing and has the most friendly and welcoming knowledgeable set of people you can meet at any festival ~ they aint elitist but they are by and large very good singers with many many years of experience.

Above all they are keen to encourage others, new and not so new singers, and I and I know John Booker would feel very very annoyed at anyone who derided the efforts of singers who may be perceived to be 'not so good'I have seen this happen and feel that such performances are probably more valid than those of accepted good singers ~ think of the 'Widows Mite', songs sung from the heart are extremely valid as are those sung with undoubted ability

If Betsy got the feeling he was being prevented from entering, then I can only apologise personally ~ but reiterate that the policy as I understand it is that the room is small and needs one big ball to rip the walls out ! (yes I know it might be a good idea Betsy!!)

I have on many occasions not gone in because it is a small room and there are plenty of other things going on elsewhere

If I have gone over the top then tough; what do you call folk song and folk singers, are they not concerned with people, ordinary people with feelings and opinions expressed through song!!

Can we lay this low now ~ little chance I feel

Ray Padgett

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Gillie
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:22 PM

And what a fine sing in The Black Horse it was chalky!! Again a small room ("not policed") people were sensible and waited outside for a space to empty before going in.

I to also found each time I turned up at The Tap I was told that the room was full by said pony tail, in the past, it has been my experience that either the Landlord or the Landlady, had final say on who came and went and indeed who stayed!

There are laods of other venues to pick and choose from as Raggytash said. Roll on next year

Gillie

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: wigan
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:08 PM

i wasn't turned away from the tap, i didn't go in cos it wasn't the sesh i wanted. whitby is great for having so many venues that there is always something for everybody. if you don't like one place go to another. easy really!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:01 AM

I'm amazed that some mudcatters can't find what they're looking for at the Whitby Festival - (eg - "Whitby was fun, but not quite my scene"....."vastly outnumbered by average holidaymakers who didn't care about the music, so there wasn't much of a "carnival" atmosphere" - Grab)

I've been going to the festival for 12 years now, always spending the full week there, and as festivals go I'd say it has the best of everything. I'm not a trad folkie either Grab, and would usually choose the Plough (in a variety of folk guises) for most of the week.

This year I spent most of the time in the Fleece, which was packed out everyday and evening with musicians, singers and a very considerable number of "average holidaymakers" who were PASSIONATE about the music. The whole week was rocking, and Friday night just blew your socks off. Some folks swear by the Tap & Spile, others wouldn't want take payment to be there - but each to their own; that's the beauty of Whitby in folk week, something for everyone (if you're prepared to scout around).

I second Raggy's comment about the Sunday Glaisdale trip - great afternoon out - danger of it getting too popular though; hope we don't need to hire that pony-haired bouncer from the Tap!

Don't despair Grab - come along next year and sample the Fleece.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:44 AM

Hi Lowden

The Glaisdale trip first came about 5 years ago when Folk week and Regatta clashed, I suggested to a few friends (about 20 in total)that we decamp for the Sunday as Whitby would be packed to the point of being unpleasant. When I arrived at the station that first morning the word had got about cos there were about 50 people there, the next year it went up to about 70 and it has stayed at that level ever since. Pleased you enjoyed the day, everyone seemed to and the feedback I have had has all been positive. Next year it will be on Sunday 20th August ........ presuming the Landlady is still amenable, can't think why she should be, it can't be often that the pub is that full of good drinkers who don't cause any fuss.
Hope to see you then, introduce yourself !

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Lowden Jameswright
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:54 AM

Hi again Raggy (we met on the station that afternoon)

See you next August (if not before - I've seen you at other folk events on occasions) - keep up the good work.

Cheers f'now -
The guy with the Lowden