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Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village

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Subject: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Helen
Date: 02 Jan 99 - 05:43 PM

Hi all,

In the "Old folkers" thread I mentioned an idea I have had for a number of years of setting up an Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village, so that we don't all get trapped playing bingo and carpet bowls when we could be sitting around playing music, talking about music, reciting poems, dancing, and reminiscing about the good old folkie days.

Here are the bits cut & paste from that thread.

Helen

Subject: RE: Old Folkers From: Helen Date: 01-Jan-99 - 06:09 PM On another note: A few years ago I had an idea (but no resources to carry it out) about setting up an Old Folkies Home/Retirement Village. I think that my own personal nightmare of growing old is the possibility that I'll be trapped in a regular old folk's home with bingo players and carpet bowlers, being wheeled in to a concert of singers singing way off key, and playing out of tune fiddles, playing "We'll Meet Again" or something from the turn of this century (rather than Stairway to Heaven or a bit of Metallica?), and being patted on the head by a well-meaning young-un who says "you'll love this music, dear" and being left there, incapable of wheeling myself away from the aural torture. It's be far better to set up an Old Folkies Home where the residents would sit around having sessions and Mudcat-type chats and *we* would be the ones going to other old folks homes to provide the music. Like one long folk festival for the rest of your life. What do you reckon? Helen

Subject: RE: Old Folkers From: Alice Date: 01-Jan-99 - 08:45 PM That's interesting, Helen. My voice teacher works two mornings a week at the county old folks home. On her first day, there was an angry looking woman in a wheelchair in the hallway, and she was told, don't bother with her, she only speaks Italian. My teacher (who speaks 7 languages and was once married to a Sicilian opera singer) asked the woman what kind of music she liked. The woman snapped back something mean, and then was astounded when my teacher responded with some chiding Sicilian slang. Ever since then, she has been eager to listen to the music each week, and comes out of her room to listen, even though she never participated in group things before. There were patients in rooms where the staff had said, you don't need to go in there and sing, they are 'out of it'. Well, my teacher would go into every room, and now there are people responding to her singing that never responded to the staff.

Subject: RE: Old Folkers From: Big Mick Date: 02-Jan-99 - 02:11 AM And now you know why I chase after the fair Alison, eh lads? Helen, I love your idea, let me know where it is at and I will have myself committed straight away. We will call it "The Mudcat Manor". I will never give up my music, when I am too old to make a decent chord on a guitar, I will sing sean nos. Art Thieme sent me a tape of an old Wobbly organizer that Art recorded in the early sixties. The old man was singing away on that tape and telling the stories. There is never a need to stifle ones soul. All the best, Mick Lane

Subject: RE: Old Folkers From: folk1234 Date: 02-Jan-99 - 12:49 PM Helen, I truly like your idea about an old folkie retirement village! Imagine, if you will, a Pinewoods-like setting (with a few more comforts) in an environment of music, dancing, learning, sharing, and caring. I might even retire again for something like that! This may be meat for a new thread. Who's interested, how can we do it?


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Alice
Date: 02 Jan 99 - 06:19 PM

Helen, my ideal retirement home would also have a garden to putter around in (and a gardener to do the heavy work!). Wouldn't it be nice to have a spot in the middle of a garden where we could meet to sing and play music? Sounds like Eden for Old Folks.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Susan of DT
Date: 03 Jan 99 - 02:30 PM

It sounds lovely, but the practical details will keep it from fruition. We are spread accross many continents. We are different ages, so retirement happens at different times. If there were an agreed upon location, the next problem would be what kind of accommodations, etc. etc.

What about regional mudcat gatherings? As people retire they can probably get to more of them as regular time commitments change. For the moment, everyone should mention which festivals they are attending an lets see how many mudcaters can meet at these festivals that others schedule, before we worry about organizing them.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 03 Jan 99 - 06:29 PM

I'm entering this thread as Caroline's typist (any mistakes are hers, of course). She's been talking about a "folk retirement village" for several years.

"I have wanted to join in the Mudcat chats for some time, but had to wait until the Christmas rush was over. Sandy has kept me up to date on a number of threads.

The idea of a folk retirement communtiy is a great one -- people need an alternative to bingo (maybe banjo?)In the past few years a number of our folk friends have mentioned this idea with enthusiasm. I agree that a retirement community with a 'Pinewoods' atmosphere would be pretty close to heaven on earth."

Caroline Paton


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 03 Jan 99 - 06:32 PM

Accepting volunteers to replace me as Caroline's typist.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 99 - 07:45 PM

Sandy and Caroline, I'm looking forward to running into you two at one of your gigs. Can't believe we're from the same neck of the Sound and I haven't heard you yet, but judging by your Mudcat personas (ae?), I hope it's soon!

Anyway, don't know about a Folkie Retirement Village per se, but one of the newsletters I get (Who's Where in Bluegrass) lists a bluegrass jam every 1st, 3rd and 5th Wednesday night at the Farmington, CT Village Gate Retirement Community.

As our lives and homes change, we just have to do our part to keep the music going wherever we are.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 05:52 AM

Barbara,

I guess I agree with you about making music wherever we are, but I hope that we won't be making music alone, each in our own separate retirement homes, not realising that there are one or two other folkie-types scattered around in all of the other homes as well, also alone or isolated from the joy of making music together.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 08:04 AM

Helen, you're absolutely right. I guess I'm so used to having my husband around to play with (between the two of us we play every instrument and both sing) that of course I pictured him with me in that distant retirement home somewhere. . . If that doesn't work out for us, the whole dream looks different. I guess I'm assuming that people somewhere are working at a mad pace for us boomers, curing cancer, fixing the hole in the ozone, and setting up retirement centers for old Folkies like myself.

The prospects for communication are much better for us than our parents, because of the internet and especially Mudcat! On the other hand, if I have to, I'll make music alone.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 08:30 AM

I'd like to make a suggestion - see what you think of this. We find a pleasant well-situated island, say in the Caribbean, which is run by wicked capitalists or such like. Then we help to bring about a revolution, so that ordinary people - folks! - like us are no longer oppressed, but free to pursue their own aims and - more importantly - make their own music. Then we all live more or less happily ever after. I know it's been done before, but not with such a musical emphasis.

Steve

P.S. If we can have a revolution that doesn't involve killing people and all that, that would be ideal!


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 11:30 AM

I assumed this discussion was a cyber fantasy, not a literal planning of a real location and building. (Steve, you definitely have a fantasy going there, lol.)
As in many of our Mudcat threads, this is a list of 'what if' messages, and I find that to be fun.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJfla
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 12:50 PM

I'm down here is the Tampa Florida area, and nearby there is an old couple who own what was once a poultry farm. Their sons got interested in ultralight aircraft, and needed a more rural locale for their activity, so they got Mom & Dad to let them use their property. One thing led to another, and today that farm is an ultralight airfield, with about 100 ultralights stored and based there. (and paying rent enough to cover the expenses and provide a nice retirement for the folks!)

I envy those people, and it would not take much to convince me that a Folk Music Retirement Villiage could just sort of happen. So those of you who are at least half serious about this idea, why don't we pursue it a little further? How many of us would like to retire to a place up near Ocala, FL, which is horse country, about an hour from Tampa, an hour from Orlando, and an hour from Gainesville (University of Florida has a fine hospital)? What would be a next step in exploring this idea? Who has another location in mind?


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: folk1234
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 12:54 PM

I'd like to think this idea is a little more than a fantasy but clearly very far from even near-reality. Let's keep putting more meat on this bone and at one point we may have something upon which to work.

Steve Parkes, I spent twenty years learning and practicing the art, science, and tactics of revolution and counter revolution. I also love the Caribbean. But I, too, in my old age, would favor a non-violent proces.

Barbara Shaw, the Farmington CT location has merit. It certainly is alot closer geographically and culturally to the folk epicenter than I am out here in rural Southeastern Oklahoma.

Here's a lillte more meat for the bone. Of course, we need the Pinewoods environment of learning & sharing. Perhaps we could raise money by hosting several "Learn From the Old Folkers" weeks each year. Imagine having the young-uns spending a week with the old masters (not that all of us (namely me) are 'masters') to carry on the folk process. Perhaps there may be some grant money available from NEA, NEH, or the Smithsonian!

And while I'm brainstorming, let me ask, "Where have those who've gone before us retired? Does anyone know if there already may be a nucleus of old folkers happily living in their own Fiddler's Green?" Let's keep this idea alive.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 02:32 PM

When I get to retiring it'll be aboard a sailing vessel 40'-50' will do just fine. I hope you'll all be near the coast so I can visit. Now if this sounds like what you'd want, I always wanted to get my mits on, say 100'+ schooner or something else tall rigged & make it pay, I prefere warmer climes. Barry


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJfla
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 03:17 PM

In looking at location for retirement, I would throw these ideas into the mix as desirable features: 1. Low land/housing cost 2. Low cost of living index 3. Moderate climate (whatever that is) 4. Other forms of recreation/relaxation within reasonable distance (golf courses, fishing, beaches, whatever). (Husband/wife cannot live by music alone!) 5. Reasonable transportation in/out (access to interstate highways and airport to facilitate visits to or from family etc.) What other features would be desirable? What places meet most if not all of the criteria?


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Pete M
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 04:32 PM

I'm with you Barry, make that say 250 tons, barque or barquentine rigged and we could accommodate a good number of retied 'Catters. Perhaps we could finance it by offering cruises around the Carribean to filthy rich American capitalists, and then hold them to ransom, as opposed to outright revolution. Actually with our pooled expertise in computing :-), syphoning off the odd million ot two from electronic transactions could be the best option.

If we are going to be land based, I'd like a garden too, but I do enjoy seasons, so somewhere that has a good cold winter and warm summers please.

By the way, am I the only one for whom the word "Pinewoods" is meaningless? explanations gratefully recieved.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: folk1234
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 05:30 PM

Pete M. Pinewoods = 'Heaven on Earth', 'Fiddlers Green'. An idyllic place that methinks I've only visited in my richest dreams; for can such beauty really exist? An enchanted land of tall pines standing on the softest carpet of pine boughs. Quite breezes, charming birdsong, and rippling waters engulf the senses. And there are people. Not the people of our world; but strange, lovely, and gentle souls who sing and dance and play beautiful music. They share, they teach, they learn, they enjoy, they love. Back to the real world. Pete, Pinewoods is the camp of the Country Dance and Song Society (www.CDSS.org). It is near Plymouth MA. Throughout the summer they have a variety of 'weeks'; each devoted to dance and music. I've attended 'Folk Music' week in 1990, 91, and 97. I plan hope to attend this year.

BBJfla, you're adding good stuff. In a few more days we should be able to write a precise specification for what we want!

Barry Finn, I like your idea too. We've bare-boated once in the Virgin Islands. Only 41', but I could apapt to something larger.

Helen, have we taken this to an extreme? Or do you think we are still on track?

I have planned many a projects, programs, activities, events, business ventures, and even military operations. I think our digital brainstorming will produce results. Let's all keep storming.

Happy chords, Phil


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJ
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 05:49 PM

I can go along with the cold winters, given that this is a retirement situation. I never much craved to make a living sloggin' thru the slush (isn't that a song?) having grown up in Michigan. I would also like some more hills in the landscape than Southern Florida has to offer. So where does that put us, somewhere in the Carolinas? Does that area meet the other requirements?
I am picturing subdividing a farm, leaving the farm house and/or barn to be the Community Center, with the rest of the land sold off in lots. I'm also picturing each lot owner putting up a duplex, one to occupy and one to rent out to another 'Catter tenant.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Pete M
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 06:32 PM

Thanks Phil, all is now clear!

If we are definitely going for land based, I also agree with BBJ about the hills, preferably with some nice easy rock climbing on one face and an easy walk down through alpine meadows on the other. Now if you can manage that with a deep water harbour nearby for the ship, we'll all be happy.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 08:52 PM

Barry, if you need crew, I am your man. Came half an inch from making a trans-pac in my younger years. And that way we can make Sydney a port of call and catch up with our friends from the land of Oz, and as long as I am there, I mights well stop in and see the fair Alison. ***LOL***.

I am very interested in what we have going on here. I, like Alice, figgered it fur cyber-fantasy. But there are some interesting pieces going here. But, I would still rather crew out on my man Barry's 100', be it a bark, sloop, I don't care.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: alison
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 11:43 PM

Hi,

Now if you anchored off Oz, we've got all of the landscapes mentioned above...... plus the weather is great (if you really want snow in winter we'll give you directions where to find it.) Plus snorkelling on the Barrier Reef.........

I know I'm not that old but can I come too....... I'll be nurse..... tea maker.... massage therapist.... whatever.... please let me on the boat.....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 04 Jan 99 - 11:46 PM

And she's formally qualified at all of the above (including tea making - she's Irish).

I'll be getting on at Sydney too, on the way north to pick up Helen & John.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 12:13 AM

WoW. In a few short post there's already the makings of a good size crew. At this rate, if it keeps up, I'd say something larger would be more in line, a small training ship maybe, folk music's the boarding pass. At first I thought maybe we could sing our way around, doing concerts at different ports along the way, hell at this rate we could be a floating festival. Pick fresh fruits & vegetables (probably be enough nuts) from the islands & fish as we ghost along in a moonlit strait. I had no plans of a real early retirement but I would now. Barry


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 09:07 AM

Back in the village itself, could we have a guest house, so people who haven't retired yet can come and visit? It could be rented out like a motel, and then more Folkies could show up.

This is sounding good. NOT just a fantasy.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJfla
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 10:01 AM

So we have finally come to the new understanding. There will be more than one of these Old Folkies' Homes, one (or more) in the US, one in OZ (maybe), and one on the high seas.
I personally would prefer to be in the US and not north of Raleigh, NC. Does someone want to help me pin down a location?


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 12:39 PM

Well geez, I just get back and here's this thread...WOW...What an idea...Spent the weekend at Cumberland Falls in southern Kentucky and the hills always are so filled with music and they really wind me up. But Barry, I'm with you too...been a dink sailor since age 7 and have had a lot of big boat experience including a couple of S.O.R.C. races. Oughta' work all this out!!! I need a place to go sometime down the road. My only problem is that although I "retired" from the business world young, I did so to have kids...so now I'm a 50 year old househusband and part time luthier. But keep talkin' folks, this is getting better all the time!!! catspaw49


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Dani
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 01:18 PM

Come on down. We're far enough from Raleigh, but close enough to transport. Brief winter, acceptable summer. Beach 3 hours, mountains not as far. Music, music, music. Warm wonderful people - writers, readers, folkies, and not. Several world-class institutions of higher learning. Some rivers not quite spoiled. Some lovely farmland not developed yet, not overly expensive yet. Do I sound like a real estate agent? Maybe. I'd love to have such a place as you're fantasizing about when I retire [heeheehee] and won't ever be leaving here now that I've found it.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Pete M
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 02:37 PM

Now if only this had come up last year, there was a rather nice tops'l schooner on the market, a bit long in the tooth for a steel ship, but a good sea boat, Lloyds A1, full suit of sails etc, can be sailed with a watch on deck of three, although five or six would be better. Would have needed the accomodation changing though, the crews quarters were known as "coffins"! She's doing criuses for tourists in Fiji now.

By the way, have you got a commercial ticket Barry? although I suppose if we are not plying for hire we may get away without, otherwise give me two years notice to get some sea time in.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJ
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 03:46 PM

Hey, Dani, you didn't say where you were speaking of. It sounds great. More, more.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Reta
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 07:18 PM

Barry, buy a fleet then we can all go. I want a berth on the port side if you please, any vessel will do. Just let me know when to start packing my swimsuit and suntan loation.

Meet you at the end of the pier! reta


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Bob Landry
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 07:21 PM

Build it and they will come. It can be done with the right planning. I recently completed a business plan and financial projections for a retirement complex now being built here in Northern Alberta. I can lend my expertise to the project if desired.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Pete M
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 08:38 PM

Reta, sun tan oil? swimsuit? this is a tall ship lady, sea boots, oilskins and calloused hands if you don't mind, but you can sling your hammock in the port mess by all means.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Reta F
Date: 05 Jan 99 - 08:56 PM

Pete, your a cruel man. There must be a few feet where I could pick the guitar and catch a few rays. It is a retirement schooner, remember? I remember the fishermen in Ireland dressed as you describe. If I can't play, to heck with the whole thing. I'll stick to a fast bass boat and just draging a line in the water once in a while. You sure do dnow how to burst a beautiful bubble. POP***********

Reta


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Pete M
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 12:21 AM

Awww come on now Reta, I'm not that bad, I didn't say you couldn't play the guitar, after all thats what we are all there for, to share music. Now if you can play the accordian you can sign on as shantyman with Bill. And I dare say we might just lie up off the odd tropical island for you to have a swim etc. (If you promise not to tell the others I'll let you into a secret - old salts may talk about enjoying bad weather etc, but what we actually enjoy is talking about sailing in bad weather not sailing through it!)

So cheer up and keep your application open.

Pete M


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: alison
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:21 AM

Hi,

I'm with you Reta.... lets let the fellas do all of that climbing the rigging and swabbing the decks stuff.... we'll be catching some rays......... we'll play you some nice music while you work lads.....

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Bert
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 12:45 PM

Book a cabin for me. Port Out, Starboard Home of course. Now I'm going to have to design a waterproof guitar (I'll call it a guitarpaulin)

Bert. (I'm picking up bad habits from Art.)


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Reta
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 09:28 PM

I knew you were my kind of friend Alison. I guess I'll just have to be big and forgive you Pete. I'll resubmit my application but you'd best behave and not go making snotty remarks to us ladies.

Alison and I will be on the end of the pier with bathing suits, suntan lotion and guitars.

(o:; *S* (o:;

Reta


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 09:39 PM

Hey Reta & Alison,
I've got a big bottle of suntan lotion!

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Jan 99 - 10:11 PM

Just a minute there Foster, you already got your (radio)knobs fiddled with in the banned songs thread. I was here first. Oh Alison, Reta.......I have strong hands and have a black belt in suntan lotion rubbing. And will sing you a lovely song whilst doing the suntan lotion thing. ****grinning lasciviously*****

Mick Lane


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 04:19 AM

Why Mick, whatever did you think I was going to do with it?

I fear I've been greatly misunderstood lately.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Helen
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 06:16 AM

Getting off the boat for a minute, and back on dry land.....Yes, Phil, I am really serious about this idea. I meant it when I said that we may have to invade an already established home/village because I am thinking of the infrastructure necessary to keep a place like that running effectively. For a regular home/village you need managers, housekeeping staff, catering staff, groudskeepers, whatever. And in the situation where people get really sick or are approaching their final performance at heaven's gate, then you need nursing home facilities.

(I'm trying to be realistic, not just deliberately gloomy.) My grandmother moved from her own home to a retirement village, in a small unit. Then when she got a bit older, had a couple of medical crises and was less independent in looking after herself she moved into a hostel style room with increased support. Finally she was moved into the nursing home, where she died a few years ago.

Also, I know of a local retirement home/nursing home which targeted multicultural people as residents. In a larger city than Newcastle, Oz (250,000 population in the Greater Newcastle Region) I think that it could be even more specific to one language or culture or ethnic group.

I am only 43, (but then in the medical lottery called life that doesn't guarantee that I'll stay out of a home/nursing home at this age) but I used to watch the older people at the senior citizens' centre next to where I used to work, and they just played cards and acarpet bowls and I pictured myself trapped in that environment with no alternatives and I realised that now is the time to be planning for an alternative future which suits *me* better. And I think that other people who don't fit the *normal* social characteristics should be thinking about it now and doing something about it *now* rather than getting frustrated and bitterly disappointed in their older age because they assumed that their lifestyle would be catered for by *normal* society.

Okay, I've said my bit for the present - but yes - I am very serious about this. And I think that folkies, who are used to travelling to festivals and having a great time with people they didn't know before, and also who often tend to live unconventional lifestyles (not just nuclear families, 2.1 children, suburbia, 2 cars, a boat and a dog) are more likely to be open to the idea of moving to another location if it could be with likeminded folk.

So, my two (Oz) cents for the discussion.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 07:33 AM

And well said, Helen. I agree with you that this could be. Forgive the veering off course, you know how we are. The concept has merit and could actually be a model, for various locales. And it is not too early to start at 43. Just ask those of us around 50. Your idea of finding an existing facility makes ultimate good sense. Instant infrastructure.

Mick Lane


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: folk1234
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 10:25 AM

Helen, You're right on track. It is never too soon to plan ,nor too late to dream. I am 17 turnings of the seasons ahead of you, twice retired, but still, and happily, facing at least 5 more years of full time work. Our cyberspace brainstorming has, indeed, brought forth some great ideas. More than that, it has shown that this is truly an idea of merit, and is of great interest to our Mudcat community. I have distilled several germane truths from this thread. They include: - We have, as you would expect, a wealth of creativity - There appears to be a potential core of business, planning, and financial expertise - There are, as you and Susan of DT pointed out, some serious "real world" issues that must be addressed by competent professionals, and - Although we, as true traditional music minstrels/ambassadors, view the world as our canvas and culture and tradition as our paint, we nevertheless have some very strong ties to our own individual locales. (I say this without judgement; it is a fact.)

Therefore, we may have several fruitful and attractive tracks the follow: - Let's see if there are existing retirement homes that are music, arts, and dance friendly, - Let's see if there others who've gone before and enjoy/ have enjoyed, and - Let's not loose sight of this idea.

Please don't think that I am trying to end this wonderful thread. I love it! I would be happy and honored to play music now, soon, or in retirement, and at any location, with any and all of the participating Mudcat threadees.

Happy chords, Phil in OK


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 11:09 AM

I haven't been able to get this one out of my mind. I know it would have to start small, but can you see a public side to this too? A place to visit that retains a privacy section but also allows for people to stop by and "get educated." There are plenty of public performers who'd find that hard to give up. Put out a songbook {or several} and shut the RUS people down. I know there's some with "luthierin'" experience and we could build and sell a few and some musical folk "toys" {stick dulcimers, devil's dream, etc}. Outlet for CD's and books, sponsor a festival or two...there's a boatload of things that could be done to make the place self-supporting and the general public would love it!

Of course there's the other end of running a prolonged care center. Surely many of us have contacts in that world from performances or whatever. The government end could be handled with assistance from them. As Mick said, we seem to have expertise in a lot of fields that would be needed. Financial planning types, business managers, I think they're all available right here.

Thanks Helen for bringing this back! I don't mean to get so wound up about it, but you've got one helluva' GREAT IDEA!!! catspaw49 {actually 50}

Sell some T-Shirts too...."OLD FOLKIE WANNABEE---I CAN BORE YOU STIFF" Sorry, but the more you think about it...OK, No Roller Coasters.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: BBJfla
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 11:49 AM

When we start to make up the team to explore this concept as a 5-year or 10-year goal, I want to be included. At 52, this is something that I could begin at any time. As long as we get phone lines into the place, I can "telecommute" from there starting right now! Have to figure out how to persuade my wife...


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Reta
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 12:06 PM

Hi all!

I created a new thread this morning but no one is interested I guess, it's "back to Ireland". I am convinced that nobody really grows old there and I think I will have to follow my dream to return. It's where I first discovered we all have a song on the lips and a smile in the heart if we just let it come out. Of course, you'll all be welcome to stop by for a pint and a tune if you hit a nearby port. Don't think we'll need the suntan loation and swimsuits after all. ALISON, BIG MICK AND ALAN, DO DROP IN FOR THE PINT AND A CRACK.

Reta


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: folk1234
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 12:52 PM

BBJfla, Welcome aboard. You're hired. Don't know where this will lead. I will contact AARP and do some web browsing re potential 'existing' places.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Diane Marshall
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 01:42 PM

Helen, What you spoke of regarding the support that such a retirement place would need it so correct. Actors and Actress who are Screen Actors Guild members have a retirement home somewhere in California and even here in Ohio, in Sandusky in fact, there is a Soldiers and Sailors retirment community. So this wonderful idea of a place for we "folkies" is not only plausible, it's down right exciting! In my former business working years, I was a real estate agent for many years and quite successful. (But that was over 30 years ago, so I know the market is totaly different now.) I mention that only because I learned quite a few good points about human nature. ONE RETIREMENT CAMP CANNOT BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE! What I mean is, and here is the fun of this thought--sort of like what the KOA campgrounds used to have. Good sites and something you could count on, no BAD SURPRISES, but interesting ones sometimes. I can vision a series of such places where one buys a membership and can move from camp (cabins not just trailers since I 've already done that and I'm too old to do it again--too much work). Then the thought occurs, there are plenty of old and probably shut down former camps that could be resurrected as "permanent living quarters", but the needed operative would be the support system for getting around in maybe a wheel-chair (ramps) etc. Seriously ill people need medical support not friendship, so they would not necessarily be comfortable in a "camp"--but go to a real nursing home. If we folkies are to be realistic, really ill people won't be playing much music. I WRITING A BOOK. I'm sorry. I do know of a great site near Ligonier, Pa. on a mountain top that would fit. Basic things needed, --clean water supply that doesn't dry up in the summer nor freeze up in the winter. 2. A few very wealthy members who can help out when the money of the camp members gets short (to keep the bills paid for the camp---operating capital) 3. And a warm place to go to when the mountain gets cold in the wintertime. 4. I've said enough for now!


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: dwditty
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 05:43 PM

What a great idea - although I will never get to partake. I am M 51 with a 6 year old and a 3 year old-no retirement in the cards. Soooooo, please, please, please accept old non-retired visitors. In other words, plan for a income-generating guest house or B&B so other folkies can come to learn from the dwellers.

DW


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 99 - 08:36 PM

A guest house / rooms would be a good idea, as well as a big parking lot or field with hookups, so those of us still wandering the country from music festival to music festival in our campers can stop in on our way through.

And of course the place has to have a concert hall.


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Subject: RE: Old Folkies' Home/Retirement Village
From: Helen
Date: 08 Jan 99 - 02:07 AM

Ahhh! Good on youse all! (Oz saying translated as: A big pat on the back to all of you.)

Don't worry about my response to the boat idea - this is Mudcat after all and if there were no lateral thinkers here I wouldn't love coming here so much.

This is just a short reply, I'm on my way out, but I like everything said so far including the need for diversity - different places for different needs/wants.

Just a quick comment - I think that because the USA is so much more populated than Oz it is more likely to happen there and then later (but not too much later, I hope) the Oz-stralian retirement home industry will pick up the ideas, or whatever has to happen to make it work over here.

Oh, um, and by the way, um....I'll come out of the closet and tell you I have an MBA (master of business administration) so count me in on the planning stages too, given that I'll be telecommuting from way over here.

Helen


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