Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records

Subject: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: DavidHannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:35 AM

BNP's own record label launched

    17th October 2005

    News article filed by Jenny Griffin
   
    Going swimmingly - Great White Records is launched
   
    A review of the newly released 'All Stand Together'.

    IT'S HERE! The most eagerly awaited nationalist/patriotic album in over a decade.

    Time To Make A Stand, (Lee Haggan and guests) is a major development and sure to be a success in the new British patriotic/nationalist music scene. Released by the new label Great White Records, it is a triumphant album which is a must hear, and will without doubt be talked about for many years.

    The album includes the hugely popular anthem, 'All Stand Together', known very well amongst BNP members, and the moving, '19 Years', which pays tribute to the Gavin Hopley, who was murdered by anti-white racists in Oldham two years ago. Also included is one of the most politically incorrect songs in recent nationalist history, 'The Menace', written by BNP Chairman Nick Griffin, and sung by Lee Haggan.

    Here is a small selection of samplers, in MP3 format, from the album to whet your appetite.

    1) 19 Years
    2) British Revolution
    3) All Stand Together
    4) Our Towns Will Be Our Own

    The album comes with full colour booklet with all the lyrics included, and features an outstanding array of songs that will be sung for years to come. Great White Records has further releases by a wide variety of white nationalist artists already in the pipeline, and we are actively looking for other new bands in all (well, almost all!) genres of music. So whatever kind of music you like, as well as enjoying our growing range of releases, get writing, playing and singing, and send us some demo tapes at the address below.

    'All Stand Together' is available from Excalibur, PO Box 116, Leeds, LS27 9WW Priced just £10.99. Please make Cheques/Postal Orders payable to 'Excalibur'. Alternatively, please go to the Excalibur merchandise pages here.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/shopping/merchandise/item.php?id=548

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:39 AM

I don't think I'll bother, thanks.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: zelger
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:42 AM

Thanks for the mp3's, will have a listen to at least.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Grab
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:54 AM

Is the Horst Wessel Lied on there too?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Nick
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:03 AM

Would you be interested in doing a swap for a cd of really good negro spirituals?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Hopfolk
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:19 AM

Oh f**k.

DavidHannam: This will only bring scrutiny down on existing traditional songs like "The Royal Oak" and "Rule Britannia". Folk currently exists as a place where we can still be proud to be English, without censure from the "Inciting Hatred" brigade.

Please take your disgusting white trash and burn it; you are only doing harm to what is (at present) a very fragile national identity.

CamoJohn

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:28 AM

But that's the idea isn't it? Setting people against each other is a key mechanism in these kind of organisations. If you can get people to hate you, and to extend that hate to the ethnic group to which you belong, you are half way there.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:34 AM

it's music.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:35 AM

No it isn't.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Grab
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:46 AM

Maybe it is music, but the musicality or otherwise is incidental. It exists not to celebrate the music, but to further racism.

There is not a single patriotic element in the BNP. Nor are its members nationalists - the BNP has no interest in nation, only in discrimination by religion and skin colour. Thanks but no thanks.

I really hope no-one intends to buy this for the music. In the words of the song, "You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"...

Graham.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 08:20 AM

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 08:42 AM

Richard Wagner was virulently anti semitic, but his music is still performed today.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 08:46 AM

Wagner didn't make third-rate pub folk-rock.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 08:47 AM

yes he did

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:01 AM

according to this BBC site Hannam is a convicted racist/anti-semite

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,see previous 1000 threads
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:03 AM

see previous thousand threads on this

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Nick
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:12 AM

The difference, Ted, would be that Wagner expressed his anti-semitic views in his essays and letters NOT in his music - though some people have tried to find hidden anti-semitic views in his musical output. Listening to Wagner's music you are not bludgeoned over the head with proaganda.

The messages in the BNP songs make no bones about the message they intend to convey.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:19 AM

Point taken Nick.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Blind Numpty Prejudice
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 09:42 AM

bugger...

so is it no longer advisable to do a cover
of the Clash's "White Riot" anymore..?????????????


..could always adapt the lyrics of another Joe Strummer classic..


"White Fascist Fuckwit in Hammersmith Palais [& all over the rest of the UK remix version]"

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:46 AM

The Clash's 'White Riot' and the BNP house band's 'British Revolution', compare and contrast.

Both contain the desire for use of physical force to achieve political aims.

White riot - I wanna riot
White riot - a riot of my own

We fight to smash the red front

In itself a symptom of alienation from political process.

Black people gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick

The Clash are bigging-up 'black people' for fighting back against oppression (presumably a reference to 'race riots'), and lamenting the lack of class conciousness amongst 'whites'.

Both songs express the frustrations of the inevitable failure of the mainstream parties to humanise capitalism, yet the BNP is reactionary: 'bogus refugees', 'cruel and alien creeds' are to blame, and they seek a 'British revolution' (not a revolution as such but an ethinically-cleansed "British" society 'to set our people free'). The Clash see beyond the reactionary and reformist approaches, level their frustration clearly at the capitalists themselves, and seek to end class-based society.

All the power's in the hands
Of people rich enough to buy it
While we walk the street
Too chicken to even try it

Are you taking over
or are you taking orders?
Are you going backwards
Or are you going forwards?

The Clash are clever. The BNP are stupid.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:49 AM

Why not use "Great Black Records" instead of "Great White Records"

What an insult to peoples intelligence, go and trade elsewhere Hannam if you can find someone to listen

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:53 AM

White Riot is clever. If one takes it at face value....

David, music? try politics with a bass line.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Fat old Skin
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 11:11 AM

wot abaht all the early 1980's skin'ead OI !!! bands..

..are we all middle-aged fat slimy fascist pub folk rockers nahh ?


OI OI OI !!!!!!.. cough wheeze splutter.. pass us a fag and my heart tablets..

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 11:18 AM

Hannam, why don't you just get the f*ck off this forum, it's obvious you're not going to get any joy on here,we're all too intelligent for you and your thick crowd.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 11:21 AM

Enjoy

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 11:23 AM

oh dear david, have you run out of letter boxes to post s**t through? And has your thieving girlfriend repaid the funds you stole yet?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 11:52 AM

Many thanks, enjoy.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 01:58 PM

It's not worth having a go at him. He's used to being a hated man, insult will be like water off a ducks back. Best thing we can do is ignore the c**t and let the thread die.

No more replies to this thread!!

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM

Right on, Rich. Let him talk to himself, and he'll look elsewhere for his kicks.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM

Well I think I'll pop this CD on the list, along with "Celtic Dolphin Relaxation", of albums I might have a listen to when I've got a minute.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 02:43 PM

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 02:53 PM

I was very intrigued to read that this is the most eagerly awaited patriotic/nationalist album in more than a decade. For those us not very well up on the relative merits (and degree of awaitedness) of albums of this nature: which was the record of more than a decade ago that exclipsed the current offering?
    I'm also quite surpriesd by David Hannam's grasp of the sweep of musical history over more than ten years. In another current thread, he points out that he only went to his first concert last year. Still, I suppose you can keep up with things by assiduously reading the reviews in the Guardian, probably his paper of choice.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Fullerton
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:10 PM

Where was it recorded?

Does it have a distribution deal? ( Pinnacle etc.)

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:10 PM

As I understand it, there are great parallels between the so-called 'folk revival' in the 1960s and leftist/socialist political groups, and as such the revival wouldn't have happened without the great contribution of such people as Leon Rosselson, Roy Bailey, Martin Carthy, Ewan MacColl, Ian Campbell etc. etc. Not a fascist amongst 'em. These people, and those who came after have a greater love for this country and its people than the nazi-loving wankers in the BNP will ever have. I would recommend a bonfire of their CDs.....oh, bugger, someone else has already had that idea. (Sorry Adolf) I tell you what, let's put them with all the dull and out-of-date hunting songs in a big museum, to which no one will ever go, but we can pop in every one in a while to remind ourselves of the bad old days of the british empire, how much we've left behind, and that, contrary to how it sometimes feels, we have made a great deal of progress as a nation.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:45 PM

The subject of this thread puts me in mind of a line from a much older song about revolution:
But if you want money for minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:47 PM

Progress as a nation? Yeah, it's a good thing the British state isn't involved in imperialistic adventures overseas, whilst repressing civil liberties and squeezing workers economically at home.

It's the tragedy of most of the socialists becoming a left-wing of capitalism rather than seeking to abolish capitalism that we are still in a world divided into nations and classes with the concomitant wars and poverty.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:51 PM

Fair point, Piers, I concurr with your general overview
But next to the dogshit put out by the BNP, and the completely bollocks view of 'eng-er-land' they espouse, it feels like progress, however small.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:04 PM

Capitalism actually has little to do with the world still being divided into class. It is not a defence but nor is it the cause of all the world's ills. You'll not find a single system without class differences.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM

Capitalism is the dominant mode of production the world over, except for a few pockets of feudalism in the developing regions.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:20 PM

Even without capitalism, without anything like that, there would still be divisions into class, perhaps by merit, but divisions nonetheless.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:27 PM

A little surprised to read in the initial post that:
The album comes with full colour booklet

Do you think they'll be re-writing their advertising blurb?

Nigel

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:29 PM

Wherever you find class division you will also find people challenging those divisions. Unfortunately you will also find scum like the BNP trying to exploit those divisions by appealing to those at the bottom of the pile that at least they're not black, or asian or Jewish, or Irish, or ...(add your own prejudices here...). All this whilst trying to maintain the unfairness of the status quo of power relationships in this country.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:55 PM

The guy who started the thread has, to my knowledge, never said anything particularly racist on mudcat, and according previous posts is a big fan of Bob Dylan, who happens to be Jewish.

If I'm to have a problem with BNP members posting, I have just as much a problem with Labour party members posting, as by the same reckoning, they are to blame for the current genocide in Iraq, and the past mass killings of families in Kosovo.

I'll decline on the CD purchase.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:04 PM

Never said anything particularly racist? What is particularly in your book?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:21 PM

It's just kinda saddening to open ones favorite book and find that somebody has taken a big sloppy shit in it.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:26 PM

Smiler, I'm a big fan of Wagnerian music, does that mean I love Anti-Semitism?
One could give loads of examples, from you-know-who loving Chaplin films, to Stalin being a fan of John Wayne.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Euro Right
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:35 PM

BNP CD shop invites paypal purchases from Europe..

nice to see such progressive attitude towards payment in Euros..

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

I would like to ask everyone to join me in a rousing rendition of a Song of Patriotic Prejudice!!!!!

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

If someone wants to express an opinion about immigration La Scaramouche, that is a valid topic to discuss either way. And I'm not offering an opinion on immigration either.

Particularly racist is when someone addresses someone with a derogatory term in terms of skin colour, or alternatively, speaks to others about someone, in such a way.

Without defending his political beliefs, Dave is entitled to his opinions about immigration and people are equally entitled to disagree with them.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:46 PM

never said anything particularly racist

"It all depends on what your definition of 'is' is".