BS: MASH 4077 song

Subject: BS: MASH 4077
From: GUEST,emotionally screwed
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:50 PM

Is suicide realy painless?

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:15 PM

There's no one to ask. Phone somebody.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM

How could one let you know?

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:01 PM

If this is a for-real request for help, please message me. I promise you confidentially. I am a guy. If you need a gal to speak with, I can find you one. You have to make the next move.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:28 PM

He/she signed on as a guest, so s/he can't PM unless they join. But joining would be a reasonable option if you need to talk to someone and Bruce (Peace) sounds good to you.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 11:24 PM

Good eye, SRS. Thought it might be a member not wanting to identify him/herself.

Either way, please let us know one way or other, OK, Guest es? When yer heads twisted, it's usually not a good time to make decisions. Take the word of someone who's been there and done that. Being alone really sucks. I'll check the site first thing in the morning. I have to go. However, please know that I'll be worried until you write back.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Kaleea
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 12:08 AM

I once accepted an elementary Music teaching position vacated by a lady after 20some years. She did little with the 5th & 6th grades but sing-a-longs. Their favorite song to sing, printed in the songbook she always used, was the theme song to MASH. Why she would have 5th & 6th graders singing "suicide is painless" is beyond me.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 04:52 AM

It's a lovely tune, albeit the words are somewhat gloomy, and M*A*S*H is my favourite programme ever.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST,ES
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:19 AM

thanks for your concern people

the moment has passed

why?
-not because of the other person

but my wish not to cause distress upon those who find me or have to clear up the mess....??!

I'd rather be 'in country', there you know who your enemies are

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:51 AM

This message is for Peace.... What an amazing person you are!! I read your response to GUEST was kind, caring and timely. The world would be a better place with more people like you.... Have a great day...
CR

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 10:14 AM

Dear ES, we are all 'in country'. Serious, buddy, if you ever need to talk please join the 'cat (if you haven't already) and write. We probably have more in common than we know. And thank you for writing. You just made my day.

Dear CR. Just returning a favour from someone down the line. Thank you for your kindness.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 04:45 PM

No. It is not. Even when justifiable. One of my best friends checked out a short while back. He had a terminal illness and was in great pain and distress. He chose to end his pain and suffering and help those who cared for him get on with their lives. It still hurt like heck. If you are not in this circumstance, don't check out. The pain for those you leave behind will not be justifiable and, therefore, will never be gotten over by them. You owe it to your friends to allow them to help you. And, you have more freinds than you know.... Peace is just the first of many.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:00 PM

This is one of those I call "goose-bump songs". Whoever wrote it seemed to be trying to illustrate the effect of war on the human spirit. I've heard it sung and it ties my tummy in knots. Danny Barnes, very terrific banjoist/composer/lyricist now working out of Seattle has written some goose-bumb songs, too. And another banjo player who spent time in Austin, Texas--his name is John Clay--had a gift for those kind of songs. He worked on a journalism degree at U. of Tx. and some of his goose-bumpiest ones were simple reportings of real things that happened.....Tw

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:57 PM

Suicide may be painless for the person doing it,it certainly is not for those left behind to gather up the pieces and sort everything else out. I know I have had to do it.
Anybody who is contemplating suicide please, please, talk to somebody, get help, think of those you will be leaving behind. It can and does totally mess up their life, not just for a few days but for a hell of a long time. Some people can never really understand why a loved one does commit suicide.I still do not understand why my relative did it and from talking to other relations they don't either.
There are times when I get down and sometimes think of ending it all but I always think of those left behind and also of those who are far worse than me in their living situation.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:28 PM

I thought seriously about it when I was being bullied at work by everybody from the manager on down, but then realised that if I did, the bastards WON, and I'd rather hang around and piss them off even more!

Also then it gives you a chance to outlive them, dig the bastards up and piss on them!

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST,ES
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 10:04 AM

Peace, thanks for a loan of your canteen

It's strange, I signed a form saying i'd give it up for my country, and when they give a war , it's rude not to go, at which point you must consider the idea of not coming home... to survive you must assume that you're already 'dead'... anything else is a bonus.

If by some happy accident you survive, 'home' is never the same again, nor is your wish to 'serve' some mindless political machine that knows you only as an expendable asset.

I can't explain this mindset to my ex-partner, and then I think of those 'brothers in arms' who came back even less complete than I did.

I like Foolestroupes outlook....

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 10:22 AM

Man, it's good to hear from you. And you're so right that the home ya left isn't the one you go back to. I can't pretend to know what's in your mind, but I can promise you that I have been having many of the same thoughts lately. This shit is as real as it gets. And no matter how hard people who don't or have never had these thoughts try, there is no way--NO way--they can truly understand. Maybe I need your help as much as you need mine. Please join the 'cat and message me. (The Mudcat will NOT release anyone's e-mail address.)

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Raedwulf
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 12:54 PM

How about 'Suicide is cowardice'?

Blunt, nasty, unsympathetic, etcetera, yes.

Also true. It's the ultimate "I don't want to face this, I won't deal with this, I'm going to run away & dump it all in someone else's lap". I have also wished I were not here here any more. Still am, though - too damn stubborn! Stick it out, ES, there's peaks as well as troughs; and if you need to talk to someone, they don't come much better than Bruce!

Best,

R

P.S. By a curious coincidence, here I sit listening to "Ultimate Survivor", a Best Of... CD. Eye Of The Tiger is still the only decent track they ever did though. Bloody commercial American AOR swill! Think I'll put Bruce's CD on instead...

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 12:25 PM

I've read the thread, and nobody seems to have noted that in the original film version (With Donald Sutherland) the song was about the death wish of the camp dentist.
Dentists , it seems, often have the nickname 'Painless' as was the case here.
Also I remember Bobe Hope as the dentist "Painless Potter" in either "The Paleface" or "Son of Paleface"

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: GUEST,ES
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 05:04 AM

~I'm still around ...peace

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: MASH4077
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 05:07 AM

Hello peace,
ES

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 01:03 PM

Hi, ES. Thanks for writing. I wish we could talk.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: MASH4077
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 08:46 PM

why's that? hassle?

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 08:57 PM

No hassle buddy, just easier to talk via the messaging system. But if here's where it's gotta be then here's where it'll be.

Subject: RE: BS: MASH 4077 song
From: Peace
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 10:08 AM

I'm still here, too.