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Subject: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Pied Piper Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:10 AM This lihk was posted at the session.org "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" PP |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: katlaughing Date: 13 Dec 05 - 10:56 AM And I read they were using text messages on cellphones to incite the race-riots in Australia this week. Thansk for this alert, PP. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: M.Ted Date: 13 Dec 05 - 11:58 AM This has been going on for quite a while-- |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Bill D Date: 13 Dec 05 - 02:08 PM at least they are relatively easy to spot when they use such blatant tricks. It is the insideous stuff that is not obvious that I worry about. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 13 Dec 05 - 03:39 PM Thanks for passing on the link Pied Piper. I clicked on the thread wrongly thinking it was going to be someone's exaggerated (but only slightly exaggerated) take on the extent to which Irish dancing has been debased, particularly in the US - but an effect that is now being felt everywhere. Is anyone else nauseated, as I am, to see grotesquely ambitious parents putting their precious tots into ringlet wigs and "traditional" costumes costing many hundreds of dollars and requirin them to perform under the kind of stress that even circus animals are spared these days? The attempt to recreate a halcyon Celtic ideal that never existed doe indeed have some disconcerting parallels with the Aryan revival of the 1930s. (PS: you can still sometimes find the real thing in Ireland, performed by youngsters of all shapes and sizes, not ojust those who are perfectly formed, complete with simple home-made outfits. But progress will soon take care of that.) |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:04 PM Didn't that happen, like, three years ago? And didn't the victimized people repudiate the neo-Nazis? Let's get up to date here. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Peace Date: 13 Dec 05 - 06:15 PM It's much more recent than that in the US, leeneia. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:25 PM Banners from the neo-nazis (I don't dignify it with a capital letter!) were seen in teh crowds at the recent riots. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: michaelr Date: 13 Dec 05 - 08:44 PM Foolestroupe -- which recent riots are you referring to? Peter K wrote: Is anyone else nauseated, as I am, to see grotesquely ambitious parents putting their precious tots into ringlet wigs and "traditional" costumes costing many hundreds of dollars and requirin them to perform under the kind of stress that even circus animals are spared these days? Yes, I am. The wigs and neon-colored costumes are horrible. Even Riverdance and its follow-up atrocities such as Lord of the Dance didn't go to such lengths. That reminds me of a joke the seriousness of which I had occasion to experience recently: Q: What is the difference between a dancer's mother and a pit bull? A: Lipstick. Regarding the thread subject, as a musician performing Irish music, in the future I'll be sure to investigate the background of any group that wants to hire my band. And I urge all others to do the same. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 13 Dec 05 - 09:38 PM Oops wrong thread - Aussie riots... |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Big Mick Date: 13 Dec 05 - 09:44 PM I would simply have left. Ain't playing for any friggin' Nazi's under any circumstances. If I got to take an ass whippin' then so be it. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse Date: 13 Dec 05 - 09:53 PM Hey how bout them cute little Nazi blonde girls folk-duet from out CA way who moved because of bad PR on Dateline or something who sing all about "white power" and wear smiley shirts where the smilies are Hitler moustachioed? Aint they special? Forgot their names, but hey-theyre folkies with a message, no? Granpa has his horsies branded with a swastika; mommy home-schools them in the Aryan way. Oh yeah-the name-"Prussian Blue" after their cute little eyes and Britney Spears looks. Real cuties alright. All the skinhead murdering slimeballs like them and they have appeared at county fairs. Mostly the audience stares at them slack jawed like the Producers scene where the troupe comes sashaying on stage to sing "springtime for Hitler and Germany." Scary. Some of this crap may be 3 years old but Prussian Blue is happening now. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: open mike Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:30 AM http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=54 Here is a news story about "Euro-Fest 2003" incident in Sacramento. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Big Mick Date: 14 Dec 05 - 08:23 AM As a person who has spent his life exploring, celebrating and sharing the culture of the land of my grandparents, this sickens me beyond belief. It seems to me that any person of Irish descent that would involve themselves in this type of organization is unaware of their own history in this and other countries. Simply being born Irish was enough to cause a great deal of pain, discrimination, separation and even death. In this country (USA) the Irish and the African descended peoples in the South were viewed with the same eye, inhabited the same places, and had children together. To use one's Irishness as an excuse for racism is to betray the suffering of our people. It is also a betrayal of strides we have made, and the contributions we have made. I repeat. I would leave. Under no circumstances, and at any risk, I would never play for neo nazi's and racists. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Pied Piper Date: 14 Dec 05 - 09:28 AM Irish WWII Heroes PP |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 14 Dec 05 - 09:32 AM Well said, Mick. Thanks for posting. Meanwhile, here's something to keep in mind with respect to anyone, skinhead or not - most anger is founded in fear. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Peace Date: 14 Dec 05 - 10:13 AM "and the fallen face of Jesus is choking in the dust" |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Bill D Date: 14 Dec 05 - 01:14 PM ABC News story about "Prussian Blue" their website...scary! (has a link to a site on "Defensive Racism"...I guess that's what's going on in Australia.....) |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: ard mhacha Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:08 PM Peter is right about those nut-cases that doll their wee girls up to like like poor imitations of Mae West, Irish dancing has turned into a circus, lots of people are turning against this US imported crap. Let us get back to normal looking children and have the emphasis on the dance. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:26 PM Anyone catch Flatley on Parkinson? WTF was that bad fake Irish accent all about? |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: George Papavgeris Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:40 PM But surely, the neo-Nazis would be easy to detect in Irish dancing - they would not be able to keep their arms straight down by their sides! The ones whose arms keep flicking upwards in involuntary movements would be the ones to be careful of. Of course, it could be that they are affected by the hacked sattelites... |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Don Firth Date: 14 Dec 05 - 02:56 PM Isn't it a little difficult to step-dance and goose-step at the same time without falling on your butt? Just read the thing on "Prussian Blue." They may be pretty little "Aryan" girls, but they're enough to gag a maggot!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Dec 05 - 03:28 PM In Germany (and not only way back in history), traditional music (dance, tales, customs) has always been attractive to right wing people. Not only for propaganda purposes. Do not forget: Even someone who does not share any of your political opinions may feel a genuine love for the same music you love. Though I admit it's an awkward feeling. That's why, BTW, so many Germans with more left leanings have been attracted to the traditional music of Ireland, as a kind of untainted tradition they didn't find in the Germen tradition. It was a conscious effort by some groups in the 70s to dig out the good (in a political sense) songs of the German tradition and to sing them to a more liberal or left audience to reclaim the traditional music for the left and to not leave all of it to the right wingers. I know from Mudcat that the usual 'folkie' is left of the middle. The usual lover of traditional music in Germany is right of the middle. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: David Ingerson Date: 14 Dec 05 - 03:54 PM Thanks, Wolfgang, for adding your perspective. I wasn't aware of that, but it makes sense. David |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 14 Dec 05 - 06:21 PM El Greko - you have discovered the secret of the Sacked Hattelites! It is all a neo-nazi plot! |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST,Anonny Mouse Date: 14 Dec 05 - 06:44 PM Read the link on that "Prussian Blue"-so much of this seems to be infiltrating the scene. Saw the program too. They don't even sing in tune but what they sing is really sickening, using racial code words for blacks, Jewish people, Catholics etc. Swastikas on cattle and trucks and belt buckles. Really! Now into Irish dancing troupes? What slimy rock do these people crawl out from under anyway? ANd Mommy teaches them. Whadda nice Mommy they must have. Wonder where Daddy went. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Stephen R. Date: 14 Dec 05 - 09:40 PM The story I heard may be only an urban legend, but if so it's a delicious one. Seems that a small Irish dance troupe was performing in Germany before WWII. Before one performance, the manager came in and instisted that they give the "Sieg heil" salute three times before they began their performance, because Goebbels was going to be in the audience. They didn't want to, but the manager threatened to cancel the gig if they didn't, so they finally agreed, but requested to give greeting in Irish because their German wasn't good, to which he agreed. So they came out and faced Herr G., raised their arms in the salute three times, and shouted: Póg mo thón! Póg mo thón! Póg mo thón! Stephen |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Peace Date: 14 Dec 05 - 09:49 PM LOL to that. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Ernest Date: 15 Dec 05 - 09:56 AM Wolfgang, I disagree: I don`t think "the usual lover of traditional music in Germany is right of the middle". What you are thinking about is what is called "volkstuemliche Musik", which translates not to folk music, but to "folkish" music. It depicts a Disneyland-style picture of life that makes use of some traditions (mostly alpine, which existed only a small part of Germany), but most of the music is newly composed. Traditional songs are not a major part of it, and there are no dance tunes - at least not in the media. A traditional approach does to a certain extent exist in rural areas (mostly in the conservative-ruled southern states, I have to concede) or sometimes in certain professions ( for instance: Miners songs being sung by unions etc. - which are often linked with the social democrats). Many of those people singing those songs wouldn`t think much about trad. music. Most people actually hardly know any traditional folk songs. Regards Ernest |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 10:01 AM is this thread serious? |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Ernest Date: 15 Dec 05 - 10:06 AM Yes Guest, it is - otherwise it would be in the BS=Bush-Stabbing section. ;0) Ernest |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: GUEST Date: 15 Dec 05 - 03:36 PM Well what did they do. Saliva over young boys whilst dancing whilst muttering passges from mein kampf in their ears? I find it all a bit exaggerated and unlikely. |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Dec 05 - 03:56 PM Ernest, I like you disagreeing with me for that may mean I could be wrong and I would love to be wrong here. No, I didn't mean that awful 'Volksmusik', I do mean traditional 'folk music' (which as an aside for non-Germans is sometimes called 'Deutsche folk music' just to separate it from the 'Volksmusik' of the TV shows). I personally have heard and learned it in so many more right of the middle contexts (boy scouts etc) that I may overgeneralise my experience. Go on disagreeing with me. I hope you're right. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Neo-Nazi Irish Dancing Classes From: Ernest Date: 15 Dec 05 - 04:51 PM Wolfgang: maybe we should be more specific with the words we use, the people who are doing the music in the TV-shows we both don`t like are at least honest enough to call it "Volkstuemliche Musik" (= folkish music), not "Volksmusik" (folk music). Folk music as we understand it is played either by the small (mostly leftist) bands you referred to or by ordinary people off the stages at their homes (Hausmusik) or sometimes for tourists. Sometimes you can hear snippets of traditional alpine music on the TV as part of features about the region. Most of that music is played in a totally a-political context (what political expression do you find in dance-tunes anyway) - as folk music in general often is. There have been political folksongs from the left as well as from the right, but that doesn`t mean that folk music itself is right or left. Many older people would remember the "occupation" of folkmusic by the Nazis and therefore refrain from it - this is true On the other hand many younger people would not like the attitude of those deceidedly leftist people claiming they represent the "true" folkmusic. Same thing seems to happen in England: younger people believe folk music is Aran Sweaters, fingers-in-the-ear and 80-verse ancient ballads about knights etc. (as I read in another thread here). Think I will have to stop here now... will be away for a few days (so if I can`t add more for a while ;0) Best wishes Ernest |
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