Lyr Req: In the Evening, When the Sun Goes Down

Subject: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: folktheatre
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 03:06 PM

I have this song on Leadbelly's Last Sessions by Smithsonian Folkways and I can't find the words - "In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down".

Anyone have them to hand? This is my first thread. I'm very excited!

I look forward to anyone coming forward with them. Leadbelly tends to mumble a bit, plus the recordings are never wonderful. Ta!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 07:50 PM

I think Pete Seeger sings this one on an album, the title of which includes the words "The Bitter End". That's the name of a club in NYC's Greenwich Village. I don't remember the exact structure of the title, but that song is on it, pretty clear and understandable. Tw

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Compton
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 07:53 PM

I can't be sure...but either Joan Baez or Carolyn Hester may have done it ....a long , long time ago!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: chazkratz
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 09:35 PM

You're not thinking of "Every Night When the Sun Goes In"?

--seed

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: 12-stringer
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 10:57 PM

It's a Leroy Carr song. My copy of the old Leadbelly Songbook on Oak, which has it, is temporarily misplaced, but here's a link to the original record by Carr. His lyrics are similar to the ones Huddie did, but his voice is much cleaner and clearer.

http://www.juneberry78s.com/bluessounds/BluesByCD&Track.htm#MO14044

This version might be some help. "How Long," another of Leadbelly's standards, also originated with Leroy Carr, by the way.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Mudlark
Date: 13 Jan 06 - 11:06 PM

Hi, Folktheatre...welcome to Mudcat!

I love this song, love Leadbelly...here is the version I do

Every night, (or every evenin') when the sun goes in (or down)
Every night when the sun goees does down
Every night, when the sun...goes...down
I hang my head, and mournful cry


True love don't weep, true love dont mourn
True love don't weep, true love dont mourn
True love dont weep, and dont you mourn for me
I'm going back to Marble Town

It's once miy apron hung down low (x 3)
He'd ollow me through sleet and snow...

It's now my apron's to my chine (x3)
He'll face my door but wont come in

I wish to the Lord my babe was born
A-sittin' upon his papa's knee
And me, poor girl, was dead and gone
And the green green grass, growing over me

(C)Every evenin (C) (Am) (Dm7) When the (G7) sun goesn down(C)...(Am)
(C) Every evening(C) (Em) G7)When the (c7) sun goes (C) down
(C) E((C7)very (F7)evenin'....when the (G7) sun (E7) goes (Am) down
I hang(C) my head (Em)...AmlllDm7 and (G7) mournful (C) cry.

It's a heartbreaking and beautiful song!.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: Anglo
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 12:25 AM

"In the evening when the sun goes down" is not the same song as "Every night when the sun goes down," posted above.

The former (from Leadbelly) was also covered by Lonnie Donegan in the good old days of skiffle.

As I remember it, the first verse was something like:

"In the evening, in the evening, mama, when the sun goes down
In the evening, mama, when the sun goes down
Ain't it lonesome, ain't it lonesome, when your baby ain't around."

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: 12-stringer
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 01:45 AM

Mmm, sweet memories of dim light, cigarette smoke thick enough to kill the Russian army, espresso nearly as thick, and beautiful silver-voiced proto-hippie chicks with ironed hair and nylon-string Martin guitars, going back to Marble Town.

But the one Leadbelly did is

In the evening, in the evening, baby when the sun goes down.
In the evening, baby, when the sun goes down.
Ain't it lonesome, ain't it lonesome, when the one you love is not around.
After the sun goes down.

The sun rises in the east, mama, and it sets down in the west
The sun rises in the east, mama, and it sets down in the west
Ain't it hard to tell, hard to tell, which one will love you the best
After the sun goes down.

Seems to me there is just one other verse in Leadbelly's version but I can't think for the life of me what it is. Lyrics are only approx, as I learned this 40 years ago and haven't played it in 20 or more, by which time I had "'ranged it my way," as McTell puts it.

The DT has the Leroy Carr text, eked out with a verse or two from Joe Williams (the jazz singer, not Big Joe with the 9-string):

@displaysong.cfm?SongID=3018

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: folktheatre
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 08:15 PM

Wow thanks for all your replies. I've found there are many different versions with different names. What makes it harder is that there are a hundred other later pop songs with the same name or similar. Thank you very much. Now to dump it on the unsuspecting public at my local!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Jan 06 - 09:54 PM

"Hi, Folktheatre...welcome to Mudcat!"
I second that emotion.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 03:55 PM

12-stringer, thanks for a great site!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Do
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM

Leroy Carr wrote the song, and I believe recorded it more than once. It has been covered a million times: I expect a lot of us in the UK first heard it on a Lonnie Donegan EP. There was a very good Big Bill Bill Broonxy version, also Leadbelly as already mentioned.
Here are the published Leroy Carr lyrics:

1:
In the evenng in the evening
Baby when the sun goes down
In the evning in the evening
Baby when the sun goes down
Oh aint it lonesome aint it lonesome
When your lover cant be found
When the sun goes down

2:
Last night I lay a-sleeping
Thinking to myself
Last night I lay a-sleeping
Thinking to myself
Well I thought she loved me
Found she loved somebody else
When the sun went down

3:
Well the sun rises in the east
Sets down in the west
Well the sun rises in the east
Sets down in the west
Lord aint it hard to tell hard to tell
Which one will treat you the best
When the sun goes down

4:
Goodbye my sweet and loving baby
You know I'm going away
Be back to see you
Some old rainy day
Well in the evening in the evening
When that ruby sun goes down
When the sun goes down

Welcome to Mudcat, Folktheatre

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: Ferrara
Date: 15 Jan 06 - 08:57 PM

My mom used to sing the song that Mudlark posted. I was just trying to sing it a few days ago, and realized that I'd never heard more than the first 2 verses. I just checked and it's in Mudcat, which gives its origin and says it's in the Cecil Sharp collection. Wonder where Mom learned it. Does anyone know who recorded it (probably during the late 30's or early to mid 40's? Long before the Folk Scare, anyway....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: MissouriMud
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 04:44 PM

Erik Darling did a version on his first solo album (Eric Darling 1958 Elektra)with just a simple chorded banjo backing. I dont remember how close his words are to Leadbelly's (the first verse is certainly similar) but as I recall they are quite audible.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 04:57 PM

Added verse (From Joe Williams, I believe)

When the party's all over
And all the liquor's gone dry
A man gets to thinkin'
A man is born to die
In the evenin', in the evenin'
Baby when the sun goes down.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: folktheatre
Date: 16 Jan 06 - 05:32 PM

The Leadbelly version is most definitely the same as the Leroy Carr. At least the Last Sessions version is. There's no writing credits on the album though! Had I known this I would've hunted down some Carr lyrics and had this sussed. Well at least they're here on Mudcat again for anyone else confused like me!

Thanks for the lovely reception y'all.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 17 Jan 06 - 06:52 AM

But the point's been made and gotten that we've been discussing more than one song, right??? "In the Evenin' When the Sun Goes Down" is a different character of tune and presentation than "Every Night When the Sun Goes Down". Different flavor entirely.          Tw

Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN (Leroy Carr)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:10 PM

Here's my transcription of the sound file at the Juneberry78s web site. It's a bit different from the lyrics posted above. (Thanks, 12-stringer, for the link. I have bookmarked it for later exploration.) The wording of verse 2, line 3 is awkward. I'm guessing Carr made a false start and then recovered from it.

WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN
As recorded by Leroy Carr

1. In the ev'ning, in the ev'ning, Mama, when the sun goes down,
In the ev'ning, Baby, when the sun goes down,
Well, ain't it lonesome, ain't it lonesome, Babe, when your lover's not around,
When the sun goes down?

2. Last night I laid a-sleeping. I was thinking to myself.
Last night I laid a-sleeping. I was thinking to myself.
Well, one o' the thing(s) that how the one that you love will mistreat you for someone else,
When the sun goes down.

3. The sun rises in the east, an' it sets up in the west.
The sun rises in the east, Mama, an' it sets in the west.
Well, it's hard to tell, hard to tell, which one will treat you the best
When the sun goes down.

4. [Scat verse] Yea, ah, hoo, wee, etc.

5. Goodbye, old sweethearts and pals. Yes, I'm going away,
But I may be back to see you again some ol' rainy day.
Well, in the evening, in the evening, Babe, when the sun goes down,
When the sun goes down.

[The The Online Discographical Project lists two record releases of this song by Leroy Carr. Apparently they are the same recording released on different labels: Montgomery Ward #4826, and Bluebird #5877, both recorded on Feb 25, 1935.]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Dow
From: folktheatre
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:57 PM

Thanks Jim. That's exactly what I wanted and how Leadbelly does it. I also have heard 'How Long' as mentioned before so he must've been a Carr fan.

NB - I've changed my name to be more personal from promoting alias (folk theatre)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Down
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 04:28 PM

It seems the titles WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN and IN THE EVENING (WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN) have been used interchangeably for the song that Leroy Carr wrote. It has been recorded by The Woody Allen Trio, Count Basie, Big Bill Broonzy, The Charles Brown Trio, Bumble Bee Slim, Leroy Carr, Ray Charles, Lonnie Donegan, Ella Fitzgerald, The Ink Spots, Eartha Kitt, Leadbelly, Marian McPartland, Memphis Slim, Lou Rawls, Pete Seeger, Mel Tormé, Big Joe Turner, T-Bone Walker, Dinah Washington, Josh White, Big Joe Williams, Jimmy Witherspoon and several others.

To confuse things, other people have written songs with the same titles.

Under the title WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN:
Kenny Chesney recorded one written by Brett James.
Rose Maddox recorded one written by Bill Mack.
Frank Sinatra recorded one written by Walter O'Keefe and Irvine Orton.
Cassandra Wilson recorded one written by herself.
Jesse Colin Young recorded one written by himself.

Under the title IN THE EVENING (WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN):
Joe Lee Carter recorded one written by Don Raye Cahn.
John Lee Hooker recorded one that was called traditional.

The above information is from allmusic.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In The Evening, When The Sun Goes Do
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 01:18 PM

As we have had two songs already in this thread, may I draw to everyone's attention the stunning new English band, the Arctic Monkeys. They have a song out called "When the sun goes down" and believe me it is the best pop song I have heard in many many years. Serious, funny, it's got the lot.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In the Evening, When the Sun Goes Down
From: GUEST,Jeff Reding
Date: 01 Sep 11 - 04:33 AM

Guess what. Bob Dylan ALSO has a song with the title 'When The Sun Goes Down.'

In the evening, baby, when the sun goes down
    In the evening, when the sun goes down
          Sure gets lonesome when your baby's not around.

   
Sure gets lonesome, sleepin' all by yourself
Sure gets lonesome, baby, sleepin' all by yourself   
    When you're lovin' somebody, and she's sleepin' with somebody else when the sun goes down

In the evening, mama, when the sun goes down (Oooh Lord)
   In the evening, when the sun goes down
         Sure gets lonesome when your baby's not around,
             when the sun goes down.

In the evening, in the evening, mama, when the sun goes down
In the evening, mama, when the sun goes down
Sure gets lonesome when your baby's not around,
when the sun goes down.

So this just muddles the pot because it's obviously based on the song Leadbelly, Robert Lockwood Jr and all those other artists, but I have not been able to find a single song-writing credit for the Dylan version.

Musically, there's not really any similarity other than that it's a standard blues. It's the first track on a Dylan album I found called Back Pages.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In the Evening, When the Sun Goes Down
From: GUEST,Goldie
Date: 23 Mar 13 - 10:21 PM

Can anyone explain the use of "Marble Town" in these (not-the-Leadbelly-song) lyrics? It seems to me a very bald reference to a graveyard, but I don't know when these words snuck into the traditional English song and whether they refer to anything/place more specific in the Appalachians, where they were "collected" by Cecil Sharp.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: In the Evening, When the Sun Goes Down
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jun 16 - 07:35 AM

I'm no expert on US geography, but a quick search gives the Appalachians as reaching to New York, and a Marbletown in Ulster County. Is it possible that it's not a euphemism for the graveyard?