REQ: tamara's song?

Subject: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jan 99 - 04:52 PM

This is a little off-beat - but if anyone can come up with the information I'm betting on the MudCat... Robert Heinlien in several of his Future History novels quotes snippets of a song - sometimes referred to as "Tamara's song" with a refrain about wild geese. Does anyone know if this is a real song? If so, does anyone have the complete lyrics? I've been searching for a while and can't find any information regarding this

MMario

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: rich r
Date: 26 Jan 99 - 08:59 PM

MMario,

Sure you aren't thinking of that annoying song from the musical "Annie" Tamara, tamara tamara......

rich r

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Don Meixner
Date: 28 Jan 99 - 10:30 PM

Mario,

Heinlein very often used lyrics and poetry in his books. He wrote the poetry and lyrics himself if he attributed them to his character, " Riesling". Riesling was a spacer who was blinded in a reactor accident and then spent the next twenty years bumming rides around the solar system and making up songs. A very definate Woody Guthrie type character. Riesling first appears in RAH's story " The Green Hills of Earth". I know someone made a recording of Heinleins lyrics some years back. Probably a highly collected thing at Sci Fi shows. I've attended a few and never seen one tho'

Good luck with this search.

Don

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 29 Jan 99 - 09:52 AM

I know the "Riesling" lyrics and poems were pretty much Heillien's - and oddly enough have seen most of them in various places. This one he never attributes to anyone as far as I can recall. It is linked with the Lazurus character and his "short-lifer" wife, and appears in a few other places. I don't recall him ever qouting more then the chorus -

MMario

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Barbara
Date: 29 Jan 99 - 01:33 PM

There are a number of folksongs with wild geese in the chorus. Can you post more of the words? Possibly we might recognize it by another name.
Alternatively, try searching DT for [wild geese] or [wild goose] for possible connections.
Blessings,
Barbara

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 29 Jan 99 - 01:41 PM

forum, DT, and all other sites I can reach have already been searched. repeatedly - but I AM behind a very strict content filter...and way in the boonies as far as reaching WRITTEN material.... have found nothing close so far. will find the text and post when I get a chance, but it will probably be a few days...

MMario

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 10:17 PM

STILL haven't gotten to my Heillien books to qoute this, but it's a love song....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Jacob Bloom
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:07 AM

I recall the Heinlein book "Green Hills of Earth" having a credit for the song "Green Hills of Earth", saying that it was written by someone other than Heinlein.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Micca
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:22 AM

Jacob in my 1962 edition of The Green hills of Earth Rhyslings song is not attributed to anyone in the text or out of it but inside the cover it says" The phrase the Green hills of Earth derives from a story by C.L. Moore (Mrs. Henry Kuttner) and is used here with her gracious permission" If MMario wants the words in the book i can type them in, but i do not think its Tamara's song which if I remember rightly contains the line (chorus I think)" Where ever the wild geese go my love, my love will follow you"

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:41 AM

Micca! - yes!!, that's the one I'm looking for!!!.....you are the FIRST person in over two years who has had ANY idea at all what I am talking about....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:16 AM

That is often the case with Micca, he has a head completely full of crap, that occasionally vomits forth good stuff. Don't ever get into a trivia question battle with him!!

Glad you found it, it means I don't have to scour my Heinlein selections.....

LTS

Useless information time - the Ancient Christian Celts used to refer to the Holy Spirit as a wild goose, rather than the traditional dove. Don't ask why...... but they did.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:43 AM

She was last heard of asking for advice from Dr Joyce for as we all know, Tamara never comes...
OK sorry, sorry, sorry, but 'Spaw would have , if I hadn't!)
RtS

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:46 AM

the problem is, Micca evidently doesn't know any more then I do, just the tag line of the chorus. I'm wondering if that is all there is, or if there is more somewhere...anywhere....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Micca
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 01:45 PM

Hey MMario, If we can't find it I think we will have to create it in the spirit and context in which it is used, and with the shade rof RAH looking over our shoulder, do you want to collaborate or have a crack seperately and then compare?

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 03:15 PM

lemmee think.....

basically I'm lazy - how 'bout you come up with it and I'll applaud?

damn - you realize you're gonna guilt me into actually finding the books and compiling the fragments he put into various books....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Micca
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 03:45 PM

Yes

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Pete peterson
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:59 PM

Sorry guys, Heinlein never wrote the complete song. It sppears in Time Enough for Love toward the end and the only line quoted is the one already given, which I remember as "where-e'er the wild geese take you, Love, my arms will hold you still." And Lazarus starts crying as does everybody else.
now what I DON"T know is whether some filker has tried to write such a song. Somebody really DID write a "Thunder and Roses" after Theodore Sturgeon's story of the same name so it seems not unreasonable. . .but where to search? let me see what I can do. . . never thirst, PETE

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 05:25 PM

actually - In Number of the Beast he does give more then the one line....right after they rescue Mama Maureen.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:16 PM

Well I just got my copy of Number of the Beast out and found no lyrics, just a mention of the song on p. 471 of the "trade" paperback edition. Sorry. I also have been surfing filk sites findable through Yahoo and not found anything. You and Micca may have to write it yourselves.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 08:30 AM

oops! or I have a different edition...I THOUGHT it was Number of the Beast......the scene is at a dinner, and I distinctly rememmber the partial lyrics with the tag line of chorus being set off in the middle of the page in italics...might have been one of the other books... I am searching my library but haven't found my copies yet.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Micca
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 11:54 AM

MMario I have made a start and will let you see when it is of reasonable length for commen/input.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:42 PM

micca - I am procrastinating miserably - but DO intend to find the blasted book and do likewise....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: GUEST,SilverBlack
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 03:51 PM

"Tamara's Song" is entirely different from "Green Hills of Earth". TS is mentioned in the late novel _Number of the Beast_ iirc, and no earlier. GHOE is mentioned and partly quoted in the story of the same name, which is classic middle-era Heinlein. It is "the last bit of authentic Rhysling that ever could be". (Note, btw, the correct spelling of the singer's name. He was a drinker all right, but "Riesling" is the name of a variety of wine, not a singer!)

There have been at least two "completions" and settings of GHOE. The one I am familiar with is by Mark Bernstein and includes a chorus in Esperanto, which I am honored to have been able to help with ("while the rainbow banner of Terra ripple[d] over [my] head"... I wish!).

You can check the archives of rec.music.filk for refs to it.

(Hell, I was looking for the author of "Men of Riesling", a parody of "Men of Harlech"!)

-- SilverBlack

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: sophocleese
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 03:59 PM

Okay Silverblack, did you ever find Men of Riesling? It sounds fun.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 04:25 PM

Tamara's song is mentioned, though not by name, in Time Enough for love, as well...I'm still looking for it if there is more....

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Micca
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 07:46 PM

MMario, I had a crack at writing a song to fit the bits we had and It came out so that I could never sing it, it is so distressing...so I am going to leave it a side for a while and then try looking at it again, I cant even revise it at the moment... sorry, PM me if you want to see what I hve come up with...I do not have a tune...

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Wavestar
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 08:06 PM

I suspect, MMario, that if it is mentioned after they rescue Mama Maureen that quote may be in _To Sail Beyond the Sunset_. I recall vaguely there being a song, the one you're seeking, but I'm thousands of miles away from my Heinlein, and read it all ages ago. I'll check through copies in the library.

If your edition of _Number of the Beast_ did have more lyrics, it might be the only redeeming characteristic of the book. Not as bad as _I Will Fear No Evil_, but close. For a brilliant man and fabulous author, he wrote some awful drivel.

-J

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 09:25 PM

MMario, I don't have a clue...oh, someone please look mildly surprised! Here's something completely different, though.

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: MMario
Date: 16 Oct 00 - 09:27 PM

Jeri! BLess you! A new theme song for me!

Subject: RE: REQ: tamara's song?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 12:37 AM

"My Arms Enclose You Still"
Song sung by Tamara Sperling at the party welcoming Justin Foote 45th to Tertius. It was also called Tamara's Song.
(Time Enough for Love; also mentioned in The Number of the Beast.)

Full lyrics not found.


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