BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:47 AM

You may have missed this editing comment. As it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread.

Yes, there were about eight threads, all started by the same people. They had their say - and then I deleted all of them.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:39 AM

Just an update - as these things do change very quickly in a 'system' of censorship that appears to be a cross between the F.B.I and the W.I.

The link to this thread that I said had been inserted into has now been removed. That thread has been moved to the BS section and was then subject to imposed closure.

It is now open again.

But be quick..........for things may yet change.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:21 AM

A thread called Do you need to be censored has been subject to imposed closure but a link has been inserted without my knowledge or permission by persoans unknown to this thread.

So I will try again to ask the question and hold the discussion - in this thread.

Do you feel that YOUR posts to the Mudcat Discussion Forum need to be subject to this form of censorship of one poster's judgement being imposed upon another?

The above is simply an example of where we appear to be heading - the point is NOT if you judge the individual judgement - made publicly in this case - is correct or not. It is the larger question of censorship in general on our forum.

If you don't think your posts need to be censored in this form - perhaps you will be brave enough to have your say in this thread now - for it may be your last chance to do so.

I would have re-opened an older thread called Censorship on Mudcat for this discussion - but this has been subject to imposed closure.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:29 AM

So you have it from Joe himself

The following from the above thread. Which has been now subject to imposed closure.


Subject: BS: So there you have it. From Joe himself.
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:45 PM

These are the rules of the Mudcat, from the horses mouth. Just wanted to make sure everyone had an opportunity to see this for themself. Anyone who shares a computer, take note... you are now responsible for the behavior of others.

Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 12 Apr 06 - 09:18 PM

The problem is someone is attempting to provoke trouble by baiting Martin Gibson, and the problem is coming from the computer that both Jack and Carol use. I would suggest that if Jack is clouding Carol's reputation by posting anonymous messages from their computer, that they settle it at home. All I know is that it's a problem, and it's time for it to stop. If it continues, I will block the IP that is the source of the anonymous messages, and the users of that IP can settle it among themselves - whoever they are.
The self-righteous prigs among us are a far greater problem than are the aggressive trolls.
I don't like either of them - the trolls OR the prigs. Most of us are here to enjoy each other's company. There are a very few who are here to cause trouble.
-Joe Offer-

(I note that no one has threatened to block Martin Gibson's IP.)

The discussion is over, Carol. I did not threaten to block your IP. I said I would block the IP that is the source of the anonymous troublemaking. If that doesn't apply to you, then you have nothing to worry about.
Martin Gibson has had his IP blocked on occasion, and has had hundreds of messages deleted. I have spent hours upon hours dealing with Martin Gibson.
And I'm done dealing with you. The discussion is over.
-Joe Offer-

There was an entire thread called Joe Offer but this along with all the posts to it seems to have been deleted……………… By Joe Offer?

---

Yes, there were about eight threads, all started by the same people. They had their say - and then I deleted all of them.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 06:20 AM

If you don't like the manner, spelling, grammar, punctuation or any other aspect of the way a fellow poster chooses to contribute to our forum - perhaps it is better to accept the reality and set the example that this (no matter how irritating you may judge it or how many others may post to share this judgement) it really is none of your (or anyone else's) business? For we are ALL invited guests.

The options are either post to respond to what your fellow poster is trying to say - or ignore it. Any form of personal judgements made about the worth of named fellow posters, conversations about them or jokes made at their expense - made publicly - will only mean that others on our form will be subjected to it and encouraged by this example.

It will only risk a response in kind and increase the chance that you to may be subject to such treatment and will then have no justification for asking for or expecting any protection from it.

Mainly the setting of this example just clutters up any attempt at a sensible debate or discussion with personal comments and judgements that if there is real need for - can be made privately and not inflicted upon all of our fellow posters.

The fact is that the only posts which you will ever have any real control over on our forum are your own.

How our forum appears - will always be entirely down to what you may choose to post.

And what you may choose not to.

The responsibilty is with all of us, the reality is that despite the intentional attempts of individual posters to shape it to their tastes - it always has been. And as long as our forum is not further changed and turned into a private members club - it always will be.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Bert
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 04:00 PM

Problem with members only in BS section is that the trolls and the usuall suspects will then take all of their garbage over to the music section.

Joe was saying way back up in this thread

... I'd rather have another solution, but I haven't been able to think of one...


Well here's a few suggestions that might improve this place a little.

1. Limit message size to 22 lines for any posting that is not a song or a story. This would make threads much easier to read.

2. Zap ALL postings from trolls AND the usual suspects, for they are just as much to blame for all this shit by encouraging the trolls. A few days of that and they might all go away.

3. Set up a Troll section which everyone else can ignore.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:04 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 23 Mar 06 - 05:54 AM

For the record - I am asking Max if Joe Offer and the unknown number of anonymous fellow posters can be relieved of the responsibility of their edit buttons (Shambles)

Any response yet?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 12:04 PM

For the record, I have already asked Max to make Members-Only posting in the "BS" section, and I think membership should be granted only to those with verifiable e-mail addresses (you register, and then get a password sent back to you).
So far, Max hasn't said anything about being ready to make the change.
Joe Offer

Joe-

Is there any answer from Max yet to your proposal?

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:49 AM

Exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: MMario
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:46 AM

WOW! Confuscious knows Joe Offer?

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:44 AM

you know, I noticed back in college that a lot of kids couldn't count up to 70 without giggling.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:43 AM

Bugger, I meant 269. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:42 AM

277!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: number 6
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 11:40 AM

69 does suck ... but certainly not as bad as spellng mistakes.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:43 AM

I think 69 sucks.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:42 AM

68.I owe you one.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 06 - 07:41 AM

When one pauses to consider how thoroughly corrupted our censors must be by this time, it is difficult to have any faith whatever in their judgement of what is and is not corrupting to others.
If to the pure all things are pure, it may well follow that to the corrupted all things are corrupt.

Judith Wright

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: number 6
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:47 PM

96

That's me, doing a back flip.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:43 PM

By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest.

Confucius

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 07:07 AM

69

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 06:25 AM

Roger, did you mother never tell you that it's considered rather naff to play with yourself in public?
Now cut along and play some music or something. I'm sure it would be better for you to anything (even to beat the bishop in private) rather than clutter up bandwidth with your personal obsessions.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 06:20 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 06:14 AM

We are willing enough to praise freedom when she is safely tucked away in the past and cannot be a nuisance.
In the present, amidst dangers whose outcome we cannot foresee, we get nervous about her, and admit censorship.

E. M. Forster

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:46 AM

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:42 AM

You may have missed this editing comment which was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread.

Generally, I move the copycats to the thread they're copying...
Didn't work on the Vagina/Viagra thread, I guess.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:30 AM

When someone declares that something has to be done - what is done is usually the wrong thing.

Eric Ledbetter Wormold

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 09:35 AM

Our Lord said, "Feed my sheep"; he did not say, "Count them."

Dora Chaplin

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 09:24 AM

13

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Mar 06 - 08:57 AM

I am still against any kind of censorship. It's a subject in my life that has been very important.

Bernardo Bertolucci

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:34 PM

Censorship, I believe, is the most dangerous enemy to all human communication, and piety of intention is probably the most dangerous, the most virulent and the most self-satisfying.

Chuck Jones

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 06:38 AM

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done.
Joe Offer
In this thread

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 06:34 AM

For the record, I have already asked Max to make Members-Only posting in the "BS" section, and I think membership should be granted only to those with verifiable e-mail addresses (you register, and then get a password sent back to you).
So far, Max hasn't said anything about being ready to make the change.
Joe Offer

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 06:20 AM

"This bloody past suggests to us that enemies cease hostilities only when they are battered enough to acknowledge that there is no hope in victory - and thus that further resistance means only useless sacrifice."

Victor David Hanson

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 06:07 AM

My analysis is that most faith based systems depend upon an absolute moral order.
The declaration of things as absolutely evil or absolutely good, as sin or virtue, puts liberalism into a horrible position because it's founded on no judgement on anything.

Victor David Hanson

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 05:39 AM

62........Clickety duck!

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:53 PM

88 - two fat ladies

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:47 PM

86

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 06:41 PM

It is the duty of a good shepherd to shear his sheep, not to skin them.
Tiberius Caesar

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:01 PM

42

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 10:05 AM

I always keep a supply of stimulant handy in case I see a snake--which I also keep handy.

W. C. Fields

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM

The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same.
Henri B. Stendhal

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:23 AM

22

Sorry couldn't manage to read the whole post as boredom set in.

G

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 09:04 AM

Given what Joe Offer has had to put up with, I stand by what I said Ebbie.

Is anyone forcing anyone else to 'put up with' anything?

Most of us would consider that our judgement would be as good or as bad as any other. However, if you are a person who considers your judgement to be better than that of others, you may feel qualified to impose your judgement upon your fellows. And when you encourage everyone to make personal judgements of everyone else, by this example. In such a case – should you really expect to be generally loved and praised for this?

If what you have to put up with in this role becomes too much for you to control, to your satisfaction – I would see only two choices.

You either plough on, as before – or if you can't stand the heat, you get out of the kitchen. An option that is now readily suggested, mantra-like, to other perceived malcontents.

But the whole point of the discussion in this thread – is that after making a public admission of failure - what is proposed is neither of these but a third option. Not a minor one but one that will forever change the nature of our forum – if Max accepts it and one that now places him in a difficult position whatever he does.

Perhaps we may not agree on many things but I would expect agreement when I say that our forum is bigger and more important that the wishes of any individual poster – whoever that poster may be?

If you have a game of knockabout football and if you don't like the way it is going – you can threaten to impose your own rules or finish the game altogether by going home with the ball– if the football being used is yours. But in this case, all though many may be led to believe that the one seen to be holding the football does own it – this football remains the property of this site's owner.

The malcontent in this game is of course free to leave the pitch - but not to take the ball with them.

In political terms, the current situation would be seen to be what is called a 'lame dog' government. One admitting the inability to deliver what is required – without a change. But with little real support for such a major change and with little possibility of it happening.

Should the requested change not be granted by Max – things can only limp-on and with what little authority may have been seen by some – being terminally damaged by this admission of failure and the need for this proposal to ever be publicly requested.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 09:08 PM

Given what Joe Offer has had to put up with, I stand by what I said Ebbie. You may think it unworthy of me to point it out, but it has happened, and continues to happen.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:40 PM

Bontrager: Now THERE'S a philosophiser I could read all day.

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:39 PM

"Even the suggestion of passing judgement on the activities of other posters could result in YOU becoming the target of a three year "Let's get rid of him" campaign." Don T

poo That isn't worthy of you, Don T.

"If paranoia is bad, it is doubly so when you try to instill your own into another." Bontrager

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:32 PM

You using Bartlett's?

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:27 PM

Hypocrisy in anything whatever may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it, and is revolted by it, however ingeniously it may be disguised.
Leo Tolstoy

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 12:59 PM

The food in such places is so tasteless because the members associate spices and garlic with just the sort of people they're trying to keep out.
Calvin Trillin

Subject: RE: BS: Proposal for members only posting of BS?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:29 PM

No need 6. You weren't the target. It was a (probably over obscure) reference to the likely response of A. N. Other.

Don T.