BS: Do you need to be censored?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:33 PM

No problems there for me Joe...

I think you and a few others could use a whole TRAY of bran muffins though

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:34 PM

Guess where we're going to stick the tube CH?
G. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:41 PM

In you, I'd guess....

" any attacks, or redundant threads will be closed or deleted"
Bzzzzt!   Any attacks -THAT THE MODS DON'T LIKE- will be closed or deleted.... Subtle but important difference....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:42 PM

Gives new meaning to the term, "I was rear-ended."

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:53 PM

I am leaving in 75 minutes on my trip.

Obviously the ones who cry and whine the loudest might get their way.

As I said on the Martin Gibson Europe thread, there are some good people here and there are some real and complete jerks. Some people here honestly know my real first name and fit into the former catagory and have not judged a book by it's cover. They made an effort to really reach out and show what good people that they are. The latter category never had the sense to try and do so and they have pretty much got what they deserved.

The key word to this thread is judgement. If it was up to me, which it isn't there are far more real life jerks here who should be censored for complete demonstrations of evil, anti-semitism, hypocracy, a complete devoid of morals, respect for authority, respect for country and leadership, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:54 PM

Like THAT'S a new experience for you Peace...

:-P
Heh

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:55 PM

Hurry up and piss off. Haven't you any friends or family to be calling?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 02:59 PM

Did that, guest. You are obviously one of the jerks I was referring to.

Are you the perfect example of who really needs to be censored here?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:08 PM

"respect for authority, respect for country and leadership"

HA! Like THOSE are automatic!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: GUEST, afriendly guest
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:12 PM

One of the many inaccurate premises here is that "moderators" are just that. They wear several hats and therefore can create as many problems as they claim to diffuse. And unfortunately they do so. They are mostly well known and often publically humiliate other posters both now and in the past. True forum "Moderators" don't participate at an emotional or personal level with other posters in an ongoing manner, they simply delete. They don't argue among themselves. They don't blame other posters for problems in the public arena. They don't debate. They don't uncover anon posters if they feel like it. The ability to do all these things freely, creates many more problems in our communication than they solve, unfortunately.   

I believe the individuals with censorship rights should stop all public discourse with other forum members if they truly want to call themselves moderators. I believe this would solve most of our problems. Our problems are primarily structural. Personality problems can be fixed when the structure of an organization is fixed. I have said this many times in the past. It is time for some more structural fixes. Moderators should not post publically at all. That would be a possible reasonable beginning. In order for the current moderators to be able to continue to participate, they would have to give these operations to others who would agree to stop posting publically.

No need for debate on the rightness or wrongness of this suggestion. Only a test of the hypothesis would yield results.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:14 PM

"Like THAT'S a new experience for you Peace..."

It just HAD to be you, huh? lol

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:17 PM

"True forum "Moderators" don't participate at an emotional or personal level with other posters in an ongoing manner, they simply delete. They don't argue among themselves. They don't blame other posters for problems in the public arena. They don't debate. They don't uncover anon posters if they feel like it."

Ya... their farts don't stink either.... *rolles eyes*

"Moderators should not post publically at all."
Plenty of mods on plenty of other message boards take part, and do it well...

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:17 PM

Unrewarded in any way they wade throught the potty mouth and the whinging just for the love of it! Where are you going to find 10 or so of these altruistic personages to replace the present volunteers?
Your chances of that happening are somewhere between nil and zero!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:18 PM

Friendly Guest, there is some truth to what you say.

Moderators here should be NO ONE's friend.

Not a bad idea, moderator's either become moderators or members, but not both. Bias will never be an issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:33 PM

infiltration is at its highest level ever here.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:36 PM

So is flatulation as well as constipation. We are waiting for fornication to catch up. Defecation has already came and went. Urination has just pissed everyone off. Masturebation got Jack Off and possibly censored.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Janie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:41 PM

The person with first responsibility to moderate is the individual poster. Our moderators are the back-up plan.

    While the idea of a non-participant moderator (paid, I presume from all the money we all donate Mudcat's overflowing coffers)certainly has some merit, a moderator in that position is TRULY imposing judgement on the forum. With participatory moderators, we are still attempting to govern our own behavior from within and by implication, with some consensus.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:44 PM

would that moderators were attempting to govern their own behavior, janie. What I'm describing is not moderation. I know you need to be on the power side, so you're not thinking very clearly about this issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:52 PM

15 more minutes....don't miss that plane!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Janie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:57 PM

Moderating self, moderating self, moderating self.

Aw hell!   BOO!!!!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:57 PM

I wasn't worried about having my IP blocked, Joe. What I have a problem with is the fact that you knew all along who was making those posts, and you pretended to think it might have been me so you could use me as a way to control JtS. You were trying to use me as a lever against my husband.

And then you told me in a PM that I was responsible for making it stop even if I wasn't the one who was doing it.

I have some very serious problems with that practice, and I don't care who knows it. You should never, never try to pit one spouse against another. That kind of thing will only explode in your face every time you try to do it.

Mick has my vote of confidence in this thread. Joe is completely over his head as "moderator".

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 03:58 PM

( ...wonder how long that last post of mine stays there before it gets deleted)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:00 PM

shit piss fuck cock sucker mother fucker and tits

all those in favor of adding 'spaz' to the list?...

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:05 PM

Donuel, George Carlin you ain't..that was unnecessary

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Once Famous
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:08 PM

Sure, why not?

Those are all words people use every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:12 PM

Seems to me a LOT of people whining the loudest on this web site could USE a good shit.... and a good piss.... and a damn good "around-the-world"....

If there were no motherfuckers, there'd be no siblings (That might be a good thing afterall... you decide)

tits? How are tits EVER a bad thing!?!?!?!?!?

"Donuel, George Carlin you ain't"
Ain't that the ever-loving truth!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:14 PM

As Giok and Janie point out, if a moderator had to stay out of every thread other than to police it - and not be paid to do the policing why in the world would he or she agree to do it? Couldn't be for the fun of it.

I truly would like to hear the Shambles' thoughts on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:17 PM

"... words people use every day."

yep...and when they pick the wrong place & context for them, they have problems. I'm not against any words...just in FAVOR of sensible employment of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: MMario
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:17 PM

From his comments Shambles is seems to think that the joe-clones are all slavering power-hungry wannabe megalomaniacs.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:18 PM

"sensible employment"

And who, I ask you, gets to define that?!?!

(Here, Max does... and NO ONE else....)

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:25 PM

I could say with reasonable certainty that the post came from either Jack or Carol. I certainly had a hunch it came from Jack, but my technical information only told me it was one person or the other. The issue was hardly earth-shaking. Two troublesome threads were started anonymously. This is not a capital offense, but it was troublesome and needed to be dealt with. It really wasn't a big deal at all - it just was one of those things we deal with all the time here. I figured it worth about five minutes of my time - apparently, others think it's a big deal.

This is just a discussion forum. When people get out of hand, the moderators do things to quiet it down, so people can go on with their discussions. This is not court of law. It is not some sort of medieval world where Shambles or Big Mick or Bert dash off on white chargers to assist maidens who have been dishonored by false accusations against their purity.

It's just a discussion forum. So, can we quit the dramatics and go on with the discussion? Let's put things in perspective, people. I guess that's what makes it so hard to moderate a forum like this. I think I'm pretty objective, even if I do participate in discussions. I do my best to be honest, and to try to help people understand what's done and why. However, from my perspective, it's just a discussion forum, and I guess I don't understand why some people take it so seriously. All this dramatic stuff just seems silly to me.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:28 PM

Like there are any 'pure maidens' here....

"can we quit the dramatics"
Some, that's all they have....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:29 PM

You also knew that you were carrying on a lengthy PM correspondence with JtS in which he expressed a lot of his feelings to you, including his anger, and that I wasn't having any comunication with you about anything at all. And you knew that he was pissed off about something that happened in the Mudcat, and that he was protesting what happened. And you knew that I wasn't involved in anything like that watever.

Stop with the lies, Joe. You knew one hundred percent for sure who was making those posts. And you were trying to use me as a lever against my husband.

You're not working for the CIA any more, Joe. Enough with the stupid "covert operations". Deal straight with people and you will have a LOT fewer headaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:32 PM

It strikes me that the combined emotional ages of the previous contributors to this thread is somewhere in the low double-digits. It all seems a lot like the sort of intellectual discourse found on restroom walls.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:35 PM

BTW, Joe, Mick had very good results in his communications with JtS and he didn't need to involve me at all. Would you like to know what his "secret" tactic was?

He listened.

You don't even know what the word means.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:40 PM

All I can say is that the whole damn thing is silly. All these people who live their online lives so dramatically are a real pain in the ass.
I'll say it again - this is just a discussion forum.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:41 PM

Is it possible to arrange that only members can 'start' a thread....?

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:43 PM

No it isn't, Joe. You know as well as I do that many of us are friends in the 3D world as well as here.

And that's what makes your behavior so totally despicable. Because you have been poisoning the waters for a lot of people who will eventually see each other again in the 3D world.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: number 6
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:44 PM

"Seems to me a LOT of people whining the loudest on this web site could USE a good shit.... and a good piss.... and a damn good "around-the-world"...."

As shocking as that may be to some ... Clinton's statement maybe has some truth in it.

Really .... this is all way too much.

That's my 10 cents to all of this ... I'm outta here ... seriously. Who wants to waste their time with all this negative energy, negative vibes, whining, hate, accusations, paranoia, .... jeeeeezuz.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 04:52 PM

Get a life Carol.....

If you HAD one, this place wouldn't seem like such a big deal to ya....

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:22 PM

I just want a cupppa coffee, black, and sometimes it's hard for people like me to live in a world where it takes five minutes for the person in front of me to order his cup, with all the options - and another ten minutes for him to complain when the clerk screws up his order.

I'm still bewildered why it matters so much to him. Isn't it just a cup of coffee?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 05:59 PM

Maybe this is hot news, Carol, but I (for one) don't make up my mind based on what Joe or anyone else says-- I make it up, myself, when I meet people.

And I'm grateful that this seems to be the practice of many, who didn't prejudge me but took me as who I am when they met me.

So don't be scared-- you will be met on your own terms.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:06 PM

"Do you need to be censored?"

F##K CENSORSHIP!

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Bert
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 06:20 PM

Way back there Joe explained what he did and why he did it. And he's taken his prune juice.

So I'll go along with him when he says "'NUFF SAID"

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 07:17 PM

I guess that's what makes it so hard to moderate a forum like this. I think I'm pretty objective, even if I do participate in discussions.

Joe - That is the first reason why is impossible for you to moderate a forum like this.

The second reason is that as you do honestly believe that you are objective under these circumstances and you expect everyone else to accept that you can be. And if they don't accept that you or anybody can - you consider it is their fault.

All you are doing by hanging on when you have publicly admitted your failure to impose your kind of peace is to further divide our forum. As you now you want a private members club or to impose even more rules and restrictions on our forum - please go away and form your own and leave ours in peace.......

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: Alba
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 07:55 PM

Help ma bob Joe. Whit huv yi done tae be causin sa much poutin!
Awe these folk in a huff aboot whit...
NOTHIN.

'a hid ma eyes opened aboot a few 'members' here no so long ago and it wiz a revelation tae say the least. Disappointing but better the devil you know the devil you don't if you catch ma drift.
Noo a laugh when a read their posts. I can see them for the shining hypocrits they are.
Giok had a great idea a while back I think. If a Member posts as a Guest and it is nasty... out them under their post.

Does the Mudcat need to be censored..well is the Pope a Catholic.
Should the Mudcat be Members only...abso.fu&*^%..lutely.


As for Joe Offer and the other volunteers on the Mudcat.
I have absolutely no problem with the job you all do and if I did have a problem and couldn't resolve it privately then I would simply go somewhere else, which is were a few of the 'greetin bairns wi petted lips' should go. Somewhere else. far, far away.
Certain Threads, which have been IMO, the Biggest load of shite ever posted on the Mudcat, have been started in the last few days.

That it my 99cents worth.


{ Hey Ake by the way, yir the Man:)}
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:26 PM

Thanks Susan.

My greatest problem wasn't how I would be perceived, though (although I don't particularly enjoy when people try to spread vicious lies about me). My greatest problem was that I was needlessly put in an impossible position. That should never happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:26 PM

So - If The Shambles is made a Mudcat moderator then he would feel obligated to NOT participate - and he wouldn't post to any threads ? In order to stay objective ?

Hmmmm......

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:34 PM

For any of us on Mudcat, its not what people say about us, its the comments we make ourselves that affect people's view of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Do you need to be censored?
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:35 PM

So true, freda... so true.