US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:50 PM

Typical far left wing idiotic anti-American responses.

It was written in English and English is the national language of America.

Sing it in the correct national language of our country. Immigrants of the past learned it this way. Spanish is not the language of the United States. You want to talk Spanish, talk it at home, but we are not going to change our signs, our language and let you take over the country.

Learn to live in america and become citizens like immigrants of the past have.

Deal with it.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 07:43 PM

I'd have thought that this would have been seen as en encouraging affirmation that Spanish-speaking Americans actually saw the USA as a country to feel loyal towards. I rather think that is the way this kind of thing would be regarded in most sensible countries, if it happened there. The reaction to it voiced by Bush sounds undignified and oddly insecure.

The reason apparently given for changing that line about "the rockets red glare" and so forth, I suppose, reflects the fact that a lot of Americans evidently assume that the rockets and bombs being mentioned in the song are American rockets and bombs, and are being celebrated. In fact, of course they are British missiles aimed at defiant Americans, which is what the song is all about. The replacement line expresses admirable sentiments, though it is less colourful, but maybe it's less liable to be misunderstood.

Incidentally, there's a story that the tune is one originally made by Turlough O'Carolan. True or not, it's an indication that it's a pretty good tune, for the story to be credible. I wonder now if Mr Bush would object if someone translated it into the Irish and recorded it?

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:10 PM

ROTFL! THAT is the anthem for our times.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:01 PM

Oh say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What they stealthily climbed, at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose tall poles and tight chains, made the perilous climb,
O'er the barbed wire they slid, and are now slightly bleeding?

And the search light's white glare, the dogs sniffing the air,
As they patrolled the fence but Jose was not there.
Jose, will that barbed wire barrier keep you away?
Will it deter all your friends? or will they come anyway?

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 05:04 PM

I have found lyrics in several reports, but I don't know if any of them have been edited or abbreviated.

Kat, where did you get your lyrics? They are the most complete that I have seen.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Kaleea
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 04:08 PM

When I was in Music school (many, many, many, etc., moons ago) I was required to sing in whatever language I happened to find written lyrics under the notes. Sometimes, there were lyrics in at least two different languages. On occasion, I was even given an Art Song in "English," and, quite rarely, my teacher gave me an Aria in English. Rare, because Operas are infrequently written in English--you know, that there language them thar British people talk.
Now, what I'd really like to hear is a National Anthem for the good ol' US of A which is in our American language--cause I just never could get that English accent quite right!
(Oh, yeah--America the Beautiful was written by an American in America. hmmmmmm . . .    )

I've seen several different sets of Spanish lyrics. Which is correct? So--can I hear the Spanish version online for free? Or, do I have to buy it? Maybe what I really need is some sheet Music with the Spanish lyrics printed under the notes so's I can figger out where all the syllables go.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: DebC
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 10:45 AM

I always find it amusing that most Americans, when singing our National Anthem, do not realise that the tune was taken by FS. Keyes from a well-known drinking song of the time, "To Anacreon In Heaven". I am sure the historians on here will expound on the history of that ditty from the Anacreontic Society.

Debra

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 08:31 AM

I think Americans should do a little critical thinking. This whole matter was probably started by a mischievous person who wanted to ask Bush a question that had no possible good answer. (Kind of like "Does this dress make me look fat?")

Don't you think the Prez has more important things to worry about?

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Deckman
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 06:35 AM

LH ... You are absolutly correct! Bob

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 02:00 AM

A great many people have been mentioning it on opinion surveys, but the majority of them appear to prefer the word "idiot".

Me, I think he's looking for support where he thinks he can find it...in his chosen constituency. I also think the basic gameplan of the $y$tem is and always has been to divide the public against each other. A squabble between Hispanics and whites is part of the gameplan, just like the endless trouble and provocation between blacks and whites or Republicans and Democrats.

It's simple. It's called: Divide and Conquer. The more divided the ordinary people are against one another the less they are in any good position to defend their civil rights or to oppose the increasing control of society by a corrupt and immoral ruling order that serves one master and one alone.... The Almighty $$$.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 12:58 AM

Having a "common language" doesn't mean one must give up their original language. And the idea of translating any song into another language has appeal--it means there is a desire to sing that song in ones own language. Including any anthem, hymn, dirge, or other ceremonial type song. I like the idea that it not only has been translated but that it sounds so good in that form (and probably much easier to sing!)

Has anyone mentioned lately that Bush is an Ass?

SRS

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 12:18 AM

Heh! I want to hear it in Russian... ;-D

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 12:10 AM

I would imagine that a Spanish version of the Star-Spangled Banner already exists in New Mexico. I remember the New Mexico law books, printed in Spanish, in my grandfather's Santa Fé office, and the speeches in Spanish in the State legislature. The practice has stopped, since most New Mexicans of Spanish ancestry could read English by the time WW2 came along.
Spanish is the second language of the United States, recognized or not. Why not?, as Sorcha asks.

In Canada, where I live now, both French and English are official languages, and the anthem is sung in both languages. All foods must have labels in both languages. Sometimes usage differs; an example is canned chowder. The English label reads 'New England Clam Chowder'; the French label on the other side of the can reads 'Chaudrée de Palourdes du Maine'.

Subject: LYR ADD: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish - Nuevos Himno
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 06 - 12:03 AM

I like the words they chose, slightly different from the orginal. If they want to sing it as a protest song, in the language of their choice, why not...it doesn't mean they don't know or aren't learning English. Or, that they don't know the English version. 61% of English speakers don't even know all of the words according to a recent poll. We need more protest songs to reach the people and galvanise them to action against this administration. There are a lot more important things to be concerned about than what language a person prefers to use. Here are the lyrics in both languages.

Lyrics to 'Nuestro Himno' ('Our Hymn')

    Amanece, lo veis?, a la luz de la aurora?
    lo que tanto aclamamos la noche caer?
    sus estrellas sus franjas
    flotaban ayer
    en el fiero combate
    en señal de victoria,
    fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada.
    Por la noche decían:
    "Se va defendiendo!"
    Oh decid! Despliega aún
    Voz a su hermosura estrellada,
    sobre tierra de libres,
    la bandera sagrada?
    Sus estrellas, sus franjas,
    la libertad, somos iguales.
    Somos hermanos, en nuestro himno.
    En el fiero combate en señal de victoria,
    Fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada.
    Mi gente sigue luchando.
    Ya es tiempo de romper las cadenas.
    Por la noche decían: "!Se va defendiendo!"
    Oh decid! Despliega aún su hermosura estrellada
    sobre tierra de libres,
    la bandera sagrada?


English translation:

    By the light of the dawn, do you see arising,
    what we proudly hailed at twilight's last fall?
    Its stars, its stripes
    yesterday streamed
    above fierce combat
    a gleaming emblem of victory
    and the struggle toward liberty.
    Throughout the night, they proclaimed:
    "We will defend it!"
    Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave
    above the land of the free,
    the sacred flag?
    Its stars, its stripes,
    liberty, we are the same.
    We are brothers in our anthem.
    In fierce combat, a gleaming emblem of victory
    and the struggle toward liberty.
    My people fight on.
    The time has come to break the chains.
    Throughout the night they proclaimed, "We will defend it!"
    Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave
    above the land of the free,
    the sacred flag?


kat

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 11:43 PM

This guy is such an ass and the Dems are so weak........Bush has trampled over the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, thrown the economy in the shitter, padded the pockets of the rich while we all pay three bucks a gallon for gas, and not one thing is being done/investigated by the opposition........and we impeached Clinton for a blow job.

The SSB has no meaning to this administration and I am amazed that they should care about a Spanish version.....except to exemplify their bigotry.

Spaw

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Deckman
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 10:05 PM

What an amazing switch that has happened in the last 125 years! Both of my Grandparents came to America from Finland in the 1880's. They met and married over "here." My Father was born in this country, yet he was raised in an "all Finnish" community. Church, school and the neighborhood was ALL FINNISH. When he was brought by his parents to Washington state, at the age of 8, he encountered "English" for the first time.

When Dad went to public school for the first time, he and his sisters and brother were teased and had rocks thrown at them because they were the "Finn kids!"

As I came along, I kept asking my Father to teach me Finnish, so that I could say the Lord's prayer with my beloved Grandmother, in her only tongue. He refused because he was now an "American", and it was a stain to speak his native tongue.

Finally, at age 13, he started to teach me. Many years later, my beloved Father and I took Finnish language lessons together at the "Nordic Hertitage Museum" in Seattle.

So many years ... so wasted.

English only ... HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET! With respect to other opinions, Bob(deckman)Nelson (KITTOS)

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Pauline L
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 09:21 PM

Bush finally said something I agree with. As FDR said we are a nation of immigrants and revolutionaries. All the immigrant groups other than Hispanics throughout our history have learned English. Many immigrants and their children speak two languages, their mother tongue and English. Most immigrant groups strongly encourage their kids to learn English and get a formal education so they can get ahead. Up until recently, no particular effort was made to help immigrants learn English, and I'm glad that that has changed and ESL classes are given. I've taught English to immigrants, including Chinese and Hispanic kids. Some public schools in my area of the country have a tandem system. Students can choose to go all the way through school in classes taught in English or in classes taught in Spanish. I'm opposed to this. I have a lot of friends who are immigrants, notably one Russian couple. They have told me that when they make a phone call and hear, "Press 1 to continue in English and [two to continue in Spanish]" they want to know what number to press to continue in Russian. In any group containing both native speakers of English and immigrants, should we allow time for people to sing the national anthem in English, Spanish, German, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian, Tagalog, Urdu, Parsi, Hebrew, Arabic, etc.? It is much harder to learn English if your native language is, for example, Vietnamese than if it is Spanish. I believe that people who come to live in this country, get jobs, pay taxes, send their kids to public schools, and/or benefit from any government-funded social welfare programs should learn to read, write, and speak English. It's really not asking too much of them. Singing the national anthem in Spanish is too much in-your-face resistance to learning to speak English, our common language.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: frogprince
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:59 PM

You know very well God only wants to hear it in English, the language He wrote it in!
Bush came off as a nice parody of himself with his fuss over it.

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:54 PM

My opinion also, Art

Subject: RE: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:53 PM

Well, I think that our fearless leader is an ass under general circumstances, anyway. New Mexico is legally a bilingual state, according to the state constitution, so why should it be any more valid in one language that the other?

Subject: US Nat'l Anthem in Spanish?
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Apr 06 - 04:41 PM

Why not, I say? But Our Fearless Leader says English only.....what do you think?

And, what about YOUR Nat'l anthem? YOUR language only, or may it be sung in others?