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ADD: The Cameronians (from Kenneth McKellar)

Hillheader 09 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM
Joe Offer 09 Aug 06 - 05:20 PM
Joe Offer 09 Aug 06 - 06:51 PM
Hillheader 10 Aug 06 - 01:57 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: The Cameronians
From: Hillheader
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM

Does anyone know the words the regimental song of the Cameronian Scottish Rifles (not the Cameron Highlanders!) My uncle used to sing it many many years ago and now it is but a distant memory.

I think the first line was "Have you seen the Cameronians?" or perhaps "Can you see the Cameronians?" The tune was quite pacy akin to "Michael Finnigan!".

I know it's not much to go on guys but you have performed miracles in the past and I am only asking for one more!!!

Thanks in advance

Davebhoy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 05:20 PM

I can find the infamous Cameronian Cat, but that's it. Tannahill apparently had a song called "Caller Herrin," to the tune of "the Cameronian Rant." Close, but no cigar.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: ADD: THE TAM O' SHANTER HAT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Aug 06 - 06:51 PM

Could this be it, Dave?

THE TAM O' SHANTER HAT

1. Cameronians leal and true,
Attention I will crave frae you,
To spin a rhyme on something new,
I never stick at trifles O.

2. To sing aboot John Bull or Pat,
Is naething new, but what o' that?
I'll sing on the Tam o' Shanter's hat
For the Cameronian Rifles O.

3. Let Bill and Paddy dance wi' glee,
Let Donald blaw his chanter free,
When we hand them owre the auld Glenhee
And do the Tam o' Shanter O.

4. In years gone by wi' sword in hand,
We read aboot the Cameronian clan,
How they fought and perished to a man
To the tune o' Rab the Ranter O.

5. But John Bull, Pat, and Sandy true,
Are a' amalgamated noo,
And we'd face Auld Clootie black or blue,
Crooned wi' a Tam o' Shanter O.

6. Ye talk aboot your guid reviews,
Your Life Guards and your Royal Blues,
But see us in our tartan trews
We'll lick them in a cantie O.

7. The ladies too are sure to slip,
Their notion o' the spur and whip,
And come and cock their upper lip,
For a kiss neath the Tam o' Shanter O.

8. Tho' we lose the Cameronian name,
We ne'er can lose the Cameron fame,
The glorious deeds we can reclaim,
We'll stand as her enchanter O.

9. And many a sturdy British son,
We'll boast the laurels he hath won,
For doing deeds will yet be done,
Beneath the Tam o' Shanter O.

Auld clootie - the Devil
Lick them in a cantie - beat them easily
Ladies too are sure to slip their notion 'o the spur and whip - abandon their fancy for the cavalry



Notes: the song refers to the amalgamation in 1881 of the 90th Light Infantry and the 26th Regiment of Foot to form the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles). The new uniform consisted of dark green doublet, tartan trews, and Tam 'o Shanter (a flat woollen bonnet)
To the tune of "Tinker's Weddin'"

Source: Greig-Duncan Collection 1 p.172


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians
From: Hillheader
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 01:57 AM

Joe

Thanks for this. It is the same regiment but not the same song. My grandfather served with them on the Somme and my uncle did in WW2. I have memories of my uncle singing this and I can hear the tune in my head but "Di de dum The Cameronians, Dum de de The Cameronians" does not translate easily from memory to paper!

Thanks again - very much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 11:20 PM

Have you seen the Cameronians?
They're the lads that are the bonny ones
Lilting, laughing Cameronians.....

Is this the one?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians
From: Van
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 04:08 AM

As sung by Kenneth McKeller, might be worth checking him out on Google.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CAMERONIANS (from Kenneth McKellar)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 08:38 AM

Here's my transcription, with a couple of gaps, and some other parts uncertain.

THE CAMERONIANS
As sung by Kenneth McKellar on "The Early McKellar, Vol. 2"

[a] Have ye seen the Cameronians?
They're the boys who are the bonny 'uns:
Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Bravest o' them a'.
Come and cheer the Cameronians:
Better lads by far than ony 'uns,
Lichtsome, laughin' Cameronians—
None there are sae braw.
From the days of Killiecrankie,
Finer ... and fair and swanky.
Lassies fall wherever they go.
Far-off lands are less ....[?—rhymes with "they go."]
Have ye seen the Cameronians?
Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Best and bright and braw and bony 'uns,
Bravest o' them a'.

[b] From the hills of Lanark and the fields along the Clyde
Come a band of soldier boys who fill the heart with pride:
Hamilton and Wishaw, Bothwell and the rest,
Meet the laughing laddies that the lassies love the best.

REPEAT [a].

Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Bravest brawest Cameronians,
I love them best of a'.

[Alexander Morrison also sings this song on "Scottish Memories."]


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Subject: ADD: The Cameronians (from Kenneth McKellar)
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 01:57 PM

THE CAMERONIANS
As sung by Kenneth McKellar on "The Early McKellar, Vol. 2"

[a] Have ye seen the Cameronians?
They're the boys who are the bonny yins
Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Bravest o' them a'.
Come and cheer the Cameronians:
Better lads by far than ony' yins, --- (yins is colloquial for ones)
Lichtsome, laughin' Cameronians—
None there are sae braw.
From the days of Killiecrankie,
Finer ... and fair and swanky.
Lassies fall wherever they go.
Far-off lands or Lesmahagow --- (a village in Lanarkshire - Lanarkshire was the regiment's home county)
Have ye seen the Cameronians?
Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Best and bright and braw and bony yins,
Bravest o' them a'.

[b] From the hills of Lanark and the fields along the Clyde
Come a band of soldier boys who fill the heart with pride:
Hamilton and Wishaw, Bothwell and the rest,
Meet the laughing laddies that the lassies love the best.

REPEAT [a].

Liltin' laughin' Cameronians,
Bravest brawest Cameronians,
I love them best of a'.

https://open.spotify.com/track/6LjJ6lkaa3peXzLUFehDbz?si=55ba405178a04f6a


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians (from Kenneth McKellar)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 21 - 04:10 PM

I used to hear this at home in the 50s as a youngster.
My guess is that its on the reverse side of Ma Ain Folk


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Cameronians (from Kenneth McKellar)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 18 May 21 - 03:31 AM

"From the days of Killiecrankie, Finer ... and fair and swanky." I found it interesting that they name check Killiecrankie in the song and not Dunkeld. The Cameronians as a fighting force were raised about the time of Killiecrankie but as far as I know weren't at said battle. Their first action was at the Battle of Dunkeld a few weeks after Killiecrankie. I suppose for in a lyric Killiecrankie is the better known so it does say "days of Killiecrankie" meaning that period.

Battle of Dunkeld should be better known though. It was a kind of Scottish Battle of the Alamo. The Cameronians were there fighting as Scottish gvt forces raised by the Earl of Angus. Branding him a traitor the Scots had recently deposed James VII after he lost his English powerbase and offered the throne to his daughter and son in law who had just been crowned monarchs of England too. James Graham of Claverhouse rode out of the convention in Edinburgh into the Highlands to raise a force (Jacobites) in support of the deposed monarch. Claverhouse was later nick-named Bonnie Dundee by Sir Walter Scott. He was hated by many in southern Scotland though and had been called "Bluidy Clavers" because of his work in the suppression of the Covenanters in the period known as the Killing Times.

Anyway the Cameronian Guard were raised in south-west Scotland by the Earl of Angus and were basically a group of strict Covenanters who followed the teachings of of the Rev Richard Cameron. Their first action saw them vastly outnumbered defending the town of Dunkeld against a Jacobite force of Highlanders. They were gradually pushed back until they were concentrated on just a small area of the town and even though both their leader and his second in command were slain they refused to surrender and kept on fighting. Eventually the Highlanders seemingly simply gave up and started drifting away. Supposedly telling their superiors that they could fight against men but it was not fit anymore to fight against devils.

It wasn't the last action of the first Jacobite Rebellion in Scotland but it was really the turning point that ended the threat to the Scottish gvt.


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