Movie with Frank Warner?

Subject: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 10:06 PM

Frank appeared in one movie. And, for the life of me, I can't remember what movie it was. Anyob'e long-term memory still functioning?

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Alba
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 10:11 PM

Was it 'Run of the Arrow' Dick?
Jude

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 12:21 AM

Run of the Arrow is correct. Rod Steiger starred as a bummed out Civil War vet who runs off to live with the Indians. Frank Warner played a guy with a banjo who sings folk songs.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 03:51 AM

You know, I never considered looking at that film.

the story is - the Indians are going to shoot an arrow as far as they can, let Rod get away as far as the arrow, and then run after him and kill him.

and I always thought to myself, what a load of crap! and the tv got switched over at this point.

I mean I was never really persuaded about native American culture, but I couldn't believe anybody would be that daft - they would have just killed him - tomahawk on the boko - and job done!

Now you have provided me with a reason to watch this film.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 09:43 AM

Thankee kindly. Now I can sleep.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 12:25 PM

That was often done in the American west! Simon Kenton in early Kentucky, Christopher Carson ("Kit") in the southwest, mountain man Jedediah Smith were all captured and had to run what was called "the gauntlet" naked -- for their lives. Others too. It was NOT fiction!!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Aug 06 - 01:48 PM

very interesting Art.

seems strange, doesn't it though. you watch a ferral cat and it doesn't play. and these people must have been living pretty close to the edge.

however - its nice to be proved wrong, by someone who knows of which they speak.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 09:17 AM

RUN OF THE ARROW (RKO, 1957)
Writted, produced and directed by Samuel Fuller.
Rod Steiger, Sarita Montiel, Brian Keith, Ralph Meeker.
Frank Warner appears approx 6:09 into the film, in a horse drawn cart,
singing "The Unreconstructed Rebel" (1:28), then in dialog to 9:24.
A DVD was released in the UK (Region 2, PAL format), but is currently
out of print, though copies are available on the secondary market.
There also are NTSC dubs offered on eBay, copied from TCM broadcast.
A video release titled "Hot Lead" is referred to on IMDB; I have not found any details (would appreciate information if anyone knows).

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 10:04 AM

Weelittledrummer,
I think it was an acknowledgement of the bravery of their adversary that they give him a chance for survival. Also, it was a test of their own worth as a man within their culture. And the Indian that could "get him" would have real honor heaped on him.

The fairly late nineteenth century Mountain Man, John Johnson (only called "Jeremiah" in the film), known widely as "Liver Eating Johnson", had his entire family killed by a party of Crow Indians because he had apparently "dishonored" their sacred burial ground. He found their war party, and killed them all. After that, in the Crow tribe it became an honor to "go after" Johnson---but only one at at time---one-on-one. Johnson killed all of them, one at a time, and he also cut them open and ate a portion of their raw livers as it was deemed a way to gain that man's bravery. Again, if anyone could've killed Johnson, the killer would have been venerated in the tribe. He was wounded several times, but never bested.

For the basic tale, find the book "Liver Eating Johnson". It's fairly accurate as far as I can tell.

The Robert Redford film "Jeremiah Johnson" deleted the part about "liver eating" -- probably because the audiences were not into watching that on the big screen.

If anyone knows more about L.E. Johnson than I've put down here, I'd like to have your input.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:27 PM

No, Art, not me. I'm not a liver-eater-watcher, either, although I do admire your knowledge about it, and your scholarship in general! I do remember talking with Anne Warner about the movie; she was all excited that it was to be shown again (this was along about the 1960s)and told us when, so we did get to see it, and one or two times after that, over the years. Not lately! But, it was a film I would not have watched, if Frank hadn't been in it. There was another old film about Indians that George and I used to watch, ONLY because of one line, when an Indian wife turns to her husband and says, "Oh, husband of little faith!" That always cracked us up. Don't remember the name of that movie now.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:24 PM

Jean,

That sounds like George for sure!!   ;-) "Husband of little faith!"

Love,

Art

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:45 PM

I was sure I would find "Run Of The Arrow" available to see from Netflix, but lo and behold, no luck there. I really would like to see this film now...
We get no TV through the air here, us being in the valley of the Illinois River. We're not far from Starved Rock, right on the river, where one tribe had another trapped up top o' the rock---and starved them out. That is an Illinois State Park now. Marquette and Joliet said a mass for the Indians there in the 1600s. And explorers La Salle and Tonti had a fort here. Fascinating stuff. A farmer friend of mine, Jack Mills, has an absolutely HUGE collection of arrowheads from years of plowing his fields and watching for when they get turned up by the tines. He lives right where the Indian town of over 500 dwellings was---right near where the mass was said.

And we are 90 miles S.W. of Chicago. We have nothing like the span of European or Asian history, but 18th and 19th century life here in the U.S.A. sure was a whole other ball game from what it is now.

Art

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 08:21 PM

You bet, Art- and even the ballgames are getting mighty different! Read the papers lately, about what players earn nowadays? And I, more so than youngins like you, always wonder why in the music categories I get put in with the "Revivalists..." gosh, I was singing in the late twenties and early thirties- shouldn't that make me one of the oldtime singers? I suppose, if you think awhile about this, I've been 'revived' several times during this long life!!! No complaints.    Jean

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 03:49 AM

Its sometimes on the tv over here, I'll record a copy for you if I see it, and I'll look out to see if theres one on the market.

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 10:14 PM

Eventually, Johnson was seen as having tremendous personal medicine about him, and there were offerings made to him --- small sites where various charms and fetishes were left by members of the tribe as they passed by, all with the intention of giving an individual Crow brave the strength and the ability to best Johnson.--------Then, one day-----it was just OVER! They stopped going after Johnson, and it was acknowledged that he was a great man. It is an amazing story!

Are there parallels with modern times? Suicide bombers becoming martyrs who instantly ascend to a feast of 'pie in the sky'?? Our people burried at Arlington--much pomp and show--and thanked for the sacrifice? And Native Americans contemplating and appreciating and thanking the buffalo they are consuming? Kamikazee pilots? Raw liver eating? The host? The body of Christ? Pretty fascinating...

Just food for thought?? Or only thread creep??

Art

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: iancarterb
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:19 AM

Frank also made a TV show for the NYC public television station on the Morgan when TV was still new and still made entirely on film if it wasn't in the studio. Check the Mystic Seaport library catalog? No, it doesn't qualify as a 'Movie', I guess, but it was on film!
Carter B

Subject: RE: Movie with Frank Warner?
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 01:29 PM

I looked at the Seaport online catalog and found no reference for
this film. Do you have any further details?

here is an overview of the whaler Charles W. Morgan from their catalog:

The Charles W. Morgan is the last surviving wooden whaling ship from the great days of sail. Built in 1841 in New Bedford, Mass., the Morgan had a successful 80-year whaling career. She made 37 voyages before retiring in 1921, and was preserved as an exhibit through the efforts of a number of dedicated citizens. After being on display in South Dartmouth, Mass., until 1941, she came to Mystic Seaport, where each year thousands of visitors walk her decks and hear the fascinating story of her career as a whaling vessel, historic exhibit, film and media star, and a porthole into America's rich history.