Stinson LPs - discography

Subject: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 25 Sep 06 - 11:19 AM

I am compiling a discography of Stinson LP's and
need information on the following releases.
   Please indicate if they are 10" or 12"
   Title, performer, track list if you have it.
   If you have identified the source of the recordings (many
of these lp's were transferred from Asch and Disc 78 rpm records)
SLP 26
SLP 30
SLP 38
SLP 42
SLP 43
SLP 45
SLP 86
SLP 88
SLP 89
SLP 95 and higher (NOT 1000 series)
Thanks!
Thomas.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Bob Coltman
Date: 27 Sep 06 - 06:42 PM

Sternth

Awhile back I put together a Stinson discography for my own information. I can supply most of your missing numbers. The rest are blanks to me too.

SLP 30 Muggsy Spanier & Pee Wee Russell, Pee Wee's Ragtimers Vol 1
   10", later 12"
SLP 86 Patrick Galvin, Irish Rebel Songs Vol IV   10"
   (later absorbed into a 3-vol 12" release of of the 4 Irish Rebel Songs albums)
SLP 88 John Runge, Traditional English Folk Songs 12"
SLP 89 African Folk Music, Traditional Songs From Nigeria 12"
SLP 95 La Sonora Matancera, Se Formo La Rumbantela 12"??
SLP 96 Stuff Smith Trio, Adventures in Feeling   12"
SLP 97 Anacani with the Mariachi Mexicali, Que Felicidad 12"
SLP 98 La Sonora Matancera, El Romance del Campesino 12"

In return, can you tell me the SLP issue numbers of the following four Stinson 10" LPs?

Mary Lou Williams   Jazz Concert
Ellen Stekert    Ozark Folk Songs
Richard Dyer-Bennett   German Folk Songs By Beethoven - title approximate
Bob and Louise DeCormier, Adirondack Folk Songs (title correct?)

It's possible some of these may equate to the mystery numbers.

Thanks! Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 27 Sep 06 - 10:57 PM

RED VINYL!

Never could figure if it was cool or what!?

Any thoughts?? Was it a political statement?

Art

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 09:29 AM

Hi Art,

Ummm, well...first of all the clear red vinyl was a late breaking development at Stinson, far as I know. Have you ever seen any red vinyl 10-inchers? I haven't.

The 1950s Stinsons were exclusively (? I know of no exceptions) black vinyl, just as their 78s had been black. Red vinyl began only with the 12-inch albums, probably around 1960 or after. (Many of them were of course reissues of the earlier 10-inchers after it became obvious that the smaller size was, like, so over. And would get lost in the bins among the biggies.)

Word on the street was that the red vinyl was cheaper. Might have been the difference between staying in the black and out of the red (sorry, couldn't resist). Stinson probably just got a can't-refuse deal on some throwaway red vinyl along about 1960 and lunged at it.

Money was tight at Stinson under both Herbert Harris (1940s until his suicide) and his son Bob (the honcho of Stinson's LP period). They always ran on a shoestring, even more than Folkways did. Indeed Stinson floated on a handshake agreement that allowed it to use Moe Asch's masters from the 40s ... thus the famous Leadbelly, Guthrie etc. issues. They only began actively developing their own artists after issuing a couple dozen Asch-derived albums, among which were the classics we all heard and loved, including the 6-LP Folksay series.

Of course it didn't hurt the cause to have red records, but I think it was incidental to the good old capitalist practice of turning a buck.

Or at least that's as much as I've been able to find out so far.

Great to talk to you as always, Art. Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 10:11 PM

Bob, Thanks for the information - here are the numbers:

SLP 24 Mary Lou Williams Jazz Concert
SLP 49 Ellen Stekert Ozark Mountain Folk Songs
SLP 72 Bob DeCormier Catskill Mountain Folk Songs

There are 4 Stinson Dyer-Bennet albums.
There was a series of 78rpm albums on Vox,
one had a title like the one you mention but I don't have
it to hand to check. A Concert Hall LP with Scottish Songs
and a Dyer-Bennet label collection of Beethovens Scottish
and Irish song settings (DYBS-7).

The Stinson albums are:
SLP 2 Richard Dyer-Bennet The Twentieth Century Minstrel
SLP 35 Richard Dyer-Bennet Ballads
SLP 60 Richard Dyer-Bennet More Songs by the 20th Century Minstrel
SLP 61 Richard Dyer Bennet A Richard Dyer-Bennet Concert

Titles vary from front, back jacket, spine and record label.

RED VINYL - translucent, various colors of vinyl were issued
in the 60s, supposed to be purer than black vinyl - at least you
could see if it had bits of junk, and supposed to have less surface noise. Mostly a marketing gimmick (imo).

The Stinson 10" releases of the 1950's were black vinyl.
The 10" albums were expanded to 12", sometimes with additional
tracks, or combining 2 10" albums. Stinson still in NYC.
When they moved to Granada Hills CA, they issued the red vinyl
pressings, with generic jackets in a pale lime color, some were
gatefold with notes/texts inside and catalog on back. Still later
they were issued in single jackets with laminated slicks prominently indicating "Collector's Series" and reproductions of 10" cover art
and liner notes. Most were black vinyl.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 10:23 PM

I also should mention that some of the albums have
been issued on CD by Collectables, 2 lp albums per cd.
Blues, Folk and Jazz titles.
I believe they have been deleted, but are still available
for $3.98 from http://www.oldies.com/search/keywords.cfm?results=keywords&keywords=stinson&x=0&y=0

Other Stinson news: there was a news article a couple of months
ago indicating that a trove of masters was discovered in Brooklyn NY
which are being prepared for release by Rounder starting Jan 2007.
http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2006/07/11/lost_recordings_add_to_lure_of_folk_legend/

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Deckman
Date: 28 Sep 06 - 10:50 PM

I might be wrong here, but I think that Walt Robertson's first recording was on this label. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:51 AM

Thomas,

Thanks, very glad to have those numbers.

Re the Dyer-Bennett German Folk Songs of Beethoven. I once owned the album, a 10-inch, and I am ~97% sure it was on Stinson. It had, among other things, his recording of "Jan Hinnert."

However, there's a slim chance my memory may be fooling me on this one, and it could have been on another label. One thing for sure, I have never seen that album listed in any Dyer-Bennett discography, yet whatever the label, I know it existed.

Perhaps someone reading this thread may remember it and give us more exact information.

Or someone may unearth a mid-1950s Stinson catalog. By the 1960s their catalogs had dropped a number of the 10-inch issues, so later records show nothing of them.

Very exciting about the Rounder project. Hope it extends to more than just Woody.

Glad to see interest in Stinson resurfacing. I started buying their 78s and LPs c. 1950 from Pennsylvania. Finally visited their Union Square NY store in, probably, 1955 -- met Ken Goldstein there -- what a time machine to think of it now.   And, alas, almost all of those records are gone in the shuffle of years.

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 08:08 AM

Thomas,

About the Mary Lou Williams LP, I just checked my list, and I don't think that's it.

SLP 24, issued 1950, is "Mary Lou Williams and Orchestra," Gjon Mili Jam Session, Man o'Mine, Lady Be Good, Carcinoma, Star Dust.

SLP?? is Mary Lou Williams "Jazz Concert," selection from the Zodiac Suite, whether 10" or 12" I don't know.

They seem to be two clearly different records. So the later Williams may be one of your missing numbers (as may the Dyer-Bennett).

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 08:19 AM

Thomas,

Can you help me fill in three missing numbers in my SLP list?

SLP 68
SLP 75
SLP 77

Thanks, Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:10 AM

SLP 68 Bob & Louise Decormier Ballads & Folk Songs
SLP 75 Jeam Murai Mama, I Want A Husband
SLP 77 Robin Roberts Love Songs

There is a lot of digging and checking which needs to be done
to get reasonably correct listings of these records. The 12" versions
usually (not always) add some tracks to the 10" issue, and also reshuffle the tracks (e.g.the Harry & Jeanie West album).
I do NOT know if they ever have alternate takes of the same songs, that would take very close listening, and I do not have copies of most of the albums.
Some listings come from the actual lp, but many are from catalogs, auction or sale listings and may be inaccurate.
Another confusion is that the titles are NOT consistent - the cover will say one thing, the back slightly different, label another.
The Jewish Young Folksingers SLP67(10") has NO title on jacket or record, but is listed in a catalog as "Folk Songs Of The World".
The insert notes list side A Yiddish Folk Songs, Side B Songs of Many Peoples. The spelling of titles differs on the notes and label
(e.g. Hava Na Gila vs. Hava Nageela)
Nett is, I need input from people who have copies of the records
to get an accurate listing.
A very sincere THANK YOU to all who provide information.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 07:37 AM

Thomas,

Are you needing any info on the tracklists of individual Stinson records (songs they contain)? If so, maybe we could swap. I have complete track info on most of them, but there are perhaps a dozen I do not have, and a few others that are incomplete.

I also have some information concerning some (by no means all) earlier releases on Stinson and Asch 78s and how they trace to the Stinson LPs. Let me know if this would be useful to you.

If we correspond by e-mail we could swap detailed info via attachment.

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Folkiedave
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:51 AM

I certainly have some red vinyl, though I am currently away from it for the next five weeks. Irish Republican Songs by Patrick Glavin in thrre volumes.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 11:46 AM

Hi Bob,
I would like your data - I've sent a PM with e-mail and contact info.
Anyone else with 10" albums your input would be greatly appreciated, also some of the high numbers which perhaps were 12"???.
Thanks!

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 08:10 AM

Picking up on an earlier comment, can anyone confirm a possible Walt Robertson recording in the Stinson series?

I know of none. Walt's debut LP came out on Folkways as far as I know. And I know of no other.

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 02:03 PM

My apologies. I e-mailed Deckman to tell him what I knew about Walt and Stinson, but I'm afraid I neglected to post the correction here.

To the best of my recollection, Walt never recorded for Stinson. If he had, it would have been sometime in the early Fifties, and I'm sure I would have known about it back then. I'm sure that what confused Bob (Deckman) is that during the time Walt was doing his television program on Seattle's KING-TV, he also cut two records, 10" 78s, for a local record company called Linden.

I don't remember which song was back-to-back with which, but he recorded Wanderin' (which he used as the theme song for the TV show, called "The Wanderer") , Life is a Toil, Blue Mountain Lake, and Drill, Ye Tarriers. I have both records. They're on red translucent vinyl. This was a couple of years before he cut his first album for Folkways, "American Northwest Ballads."

The first time I ever heard Walt, it was on these 78 rpm Linden singles. It was a short time afterward that I first heard him sing live, and this ignited my active interest in folk music. I met him a few days after his concert and hit him up for guitar lessons. He taught me a lot and we bcame good friends.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:59 PM

Bob Gibson's Folk Songs Of Ohio was on Stinson I believe.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 07 Oct 06 - 07:16 AM

Going back to the point sternth made to start the thread, can anyone help supply information for five mystery records in the Stinson series?

So far we don't know who made these records, or what their titles are.

SLP 49
SLP 68
SLP 72
SLP 75
SLP 89

Among these may possibly be (titles approximate):

Richard Dyer-Bennett German Songs of Beethoven
Mary Lou Williams Selections From the Zodiac Suite

Can anyone help???

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 09:40 AM

Hi,

I have SLP 83, 84, 85.

These are Irish Rebel Songs Volume 1 The great rebellion 19798
Vol II The Young Irelanders and the Fenian Brotherhood and Vol III The Black and Tan War, The Easter Rising, The Civil War.

They are red vinyl, and are in excellent condition and ('cos I am a dealer) for sale. PM me if interested.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 11:11 AM

I have SLP-2 plus 60 & 61 (Dyer-Bennet) 'maybe' some others- I just need time to dig in the catacombs

(There was also a 10" Decca of Dyer-Bennet in that era)

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Janine
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 12:24 PM

Those red vinyls may look pretty but they're a bit transparent and my autotmatic turntable arm can't find the track breakers like it can on the opaque black ones.
Any Wood/Cisco buffs out there? The same title often turns up both on Stinson and Folkways but different takes. Did Moe Asch perhaps record two takes for some items so that one went to the Harrises and he kept the other himself?

Jan

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 01:08 PM

anyone got a copy of Stinson SLP 70?

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 09:13 PM

Someone just sent to me a copy he had made of a recording labeled, Stinson Folksay, Volume 2. It has eight songs; two are by Hally Wood, at least one is by Woody Guthrie (maybe more). There was no information about the singers, nor any record notes. I do know that Hally's two songs are, "Johnson Boys," and, "Fair and Tender Ladies." The one I recognize as Woody's is, "The House in New Orleans." Anyone know any more about this recording?

Cheers to all,   Jean

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Janine
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 12:31 PM

Hi Jean,

Are you sure that's Folksay Vol 2? On Vol 5 is:

Fair & Tender Ladies - Hally
Take This Hammer - Lead Belly
Hobo Bill - Cisco Houston
Aunt Rhody - Woody, Cisco & Sonny
Teeroo - Pete Seeger
Johnson Boys - Hally
Rover - Cisco
Rising Sun - Woody
Old Smokey - Frank Warner
When that Train Comes Along - Garry Davis & Sonny
Corn Bread Rough - Lead Belly
Laredo - Tom Glazer
Down in the Valley - ?
Foggy Dew - Ernie Lieberman
Young Man ... Pete S
Jolly Rovin Tar - Frank W
Froggy ... Woody, Cisco & Sonny
Erie Canal - Pete S
Soldier - Ernie L

Thats seems to be yours. Hope it helps

Jan

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Janine
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 12:33 PM

Jean

The ? (from notes) is probably Tom Glazer

Jan

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Janine
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 12:37 PM

Jean,

If this was taken from the LP not the CD, it also has

The Rambler - Cisco

I'll stop talking now.

Best wishes

Janine

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Bob Coltman
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:07 PM

In case anyone finds the information useful, the discrepancy between the Stinson Vol. V tape copy (8 songs -- actually 9, in the original) and the later version is between the 10-inch and 12-inch versions.

The original Folksay Vol V, Stinson SLP-12, had

Hally Wood: Come All You Fair and Tender Ladies, Johnson Boys
Woody Guthrie and Cisco Houston: Go Tell Aunt Rhody
Guthrie: House of the Rising Sun
Houston: The Rover
Leadbelly: Take This Hammer
Frank Warner: Old Smokey
Pete Seeger: Teeroo, Teeroo
Rev Gary Davis and Sonny Terry: When the Train Comes Along.

The remaining songs in the list above are from the original Folksay Vol VI, SLP-13. The two were later combined on a single 12-inch. Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:25 PM

Thomas Stern mentioned this above, but maybe I shoud repeat that Collectables Records at oldies.com has quite a collection of reissued Stinson recordings, including , volumes 1-6, along with Chain Gang. Lots of others, too.
Looks like many are on clearance (under $5 apiece), so it maigh be an idea to get them now.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Janine
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 03:33 PM

Sorry my listing was a bit wrong but has been corrected by Bob Coltman. My info was from the 12" LP - Vols 5 and 6. Presumably the two volumes were originally two separate 10" LP's. On the third volume of the CD series Joe Offer mentions there are Vol 5 and 6 (with at least one title missing) and Chain Gang (again with some missing from the LP) which features Sonny Terry and Woody Guthrie. Does snyone know its origin?

Jan

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:03 PM

Janine,

Yes, the Folksay 5 and 6 were originally separate 10" records.

Chain Gang Songs Vol. 1 by Woody Guthrie, Cisco Houston and Alek Stewart began as a three-record 78 rpm album (10"), probably issued around 1948-9. In about 1950 it was transferred to LP format as a 10" album. The second album followed (not sure if it was ever in 78rpm form).

Chain Gang, Vol. I 10" Stinson SLP7
Chain Gang Blues, Cornbread, Meat and Molasses, Stackolee, Long John, Rock Me Momma, Chain Gang Special.

Chain Gang, Vol. 2 10: Stinson SLP8
Red River, Ham and Eggs, Betty and Dupree, Pick a Bale of Cotton, It Takes a Chain Gang Man, Lost John

The two were later put together on a 12" LP, Stinson SLP7, confusingly enough. That was later issued as a cassette, too.

Bob

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 07:15 PM

I have the opportunity to buy a 1954 Stinson LP..."Leadbelly's Sinful Songs"...I don't have it with me, but tomorrow I'll come back and list the tracks...33 1/3 RPM

Does anyone know about how much this record is worth? Even a ballpark estimate would be great...

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 10:05 AM

Oh...sorry...it's a Spartan, never mind

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Alberto
Date: 25 May 13 - 06:51 PM

Hi, I just found the STINSON SLP 43 and was pressed with the name of PAN CON MUSICA interpreted by CONJUNTO TROPICA, cuban music in spanish.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 25 May 13 - 08:09 PM

Hi Alberto,
Please indicate 10" or 12", and list of titles.
Can you provide a scan or photocopy of jacket and notes?
THANKS!
Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,johhny
Date: 09 Oct 14 - 03:23 PM

I'm in possession of a 10" Lp: STINSON RECORDS SLP #26 by: Erno Balogh,piano TWO PART INVENTIONS j.S. BACH. NOTE: The cover art is designed by David Stone Martin. I hope this helps. Thanks...

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Bill Daniels
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 04:56 PM

I have been collecting info on Stinson for decades!
Here is something nice on the first 33 1/3 album:
1.        Burl Ives: The Wayfaring Stranger                        1949
        Burl Ives – Vocal with Guitar, New York City, Feb. 1944
Foggy Mountain Dew                       518        345-2A
   Brennan On The Moor/The Fox                519        Stinson 1
The Bold Soldier & The Sow Took The Measles 520 345-1B/
   Brennan On The Moor/The Fox                521        Stinson 1
The Blue Tail Fly                        522        345-3B
The Wayfaring Stranger & Buckeyed Jim        523        345-1A
Henry Martin                                524        345-3A
Black Is The Color                        525    345-2B                        

*which master goes to 520 and 521 is unknown.
Anyone interested continuing such a detailed Stinson list?
Bill Daniels      [e-mail]

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Brandon
Date: 08 May 15 - 01:53 PM

I have an SLP 89, African Folk Music, Traditional Songs from Nigeria 12"

Though the jacket is long gone, the labels provide some tracklisting information:

Side A
Band 1. Arukarabo (Festival Song)
Band 2. Ikot Na Ro (Farming Song)
Band 3. Ogarayeu (Wrestling Song)
Band 4. Kpim Kingi Kingi (Special Ritual Song)
Band 5. Je Je Kule (Trouble-Maker's Song)
Band 6. Eyinba Enyi (War Chant)

Side B
Band 1. Amanzere (Song to drive away Evil Spirits)
Band 2. Abumzele (Song for a New Chief)
Band 3. Ikaki (Festival Song)
Band 4. Mbe Kwe Kwe (Song for a New Bride)
Band 5. Gara Ahia (Marketer's Song)
Band 6. Ebuba (War Chant)

Other label notes:
Equalization N.A.R.T.B. (16 D.B. Down at 10 K.C.)
MFG. by Mid-town Record Corp., N.Y., N.Y.

Runout grooves:
US PAT # RE 23,946
G.B. PAT #713, 418
DBH T47 (handwritten)

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 08 May 15 - 08:56 PM

Johnny, Bill, Brandon,
Thanks for the information!!!
Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 08 May 15 - 11:36 PM

I think this thread took a hit in "the crash." Sorry I don't have exact track numbers for the following anymore. I may have posted a few others as well.

SLP-45, 10" LP, 1952 (Never released? Possible attmept to reissue Asch DM 103 (4x78 rpm) that only saw a few demo/test pressings.

Gaby Casadesus, Debussy Piano Solos

1st Arabesque, E major
La Serenade Interrompue
2nd Arabesque, G major
Voiles
Serenade a la Poupee
Minstrels
Golliwogg's Cake Walk
La Fille aux Cheveux de Lin.




Stinson SLP-93, 12" LP, 1974
Abe & Malka, City Folk

Annie's Grab Bag
Can't Beat That Roach
Nave
They Looked a Lot Like We.
We Won't Find The Peace Of Mind
You Will Never Know Me
Could You Ever
Far, Far Away


Companion to:
Abe Mandelblatt, Malka Ackerman Mandelblatt
Abe & Malka's 100 Guitar Accompaniment Patterns
New York, AMSCO (1974)

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 09 May 15 - 01:53 PM

Phil,
Thanks for the information.
The Gaby Casadesus album wAS issued on LP, but seems to have had very limited circulation. It is from the 78's.

Asch DM103 Gaby Casadesus, pianist, 4-10"78's
DM 103-1A 1st Arabesque E major, -Debussy-
          -1B La Serenade Interrompue -Debussy-
DM 103-2A 2nd Arabesque G major -Debussy-
          -2B Voiles
DM 103-3A Claude Debussy: Serenade A La Poupee (CL 111)
       -   3B Minstrels
DM 103-4A Golliwogg's Cake-Walk
          -4B La Fille Aux Cheveux De Lin


A1 Voiles
A2 Serenade a la poupee
A3 Fille aux cheveux de lin
A4 Minstrels
B1 1st Arabesque in E Major
B2 2nd Arabesque in G Major
B3 Serenade Interrompue
B4 Golliwogg's Cake-Walk

Stinson dropped the classical albums after the 10" LP releases, they never made it to 12" LP.

The ABE & MALKA album, issued in a gatefold jacket, I have listed as 1977 - what is the source for your 1974 date?? Thanks!

The last LP I have seen issued by Stinson is SLP 99 JAZZ EXTEMPORIZATIONS   The Jerry Pellegrino Quartet probably 1983.
Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: STINSON LP's
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 02:17 AM

STINSON RECORDS: A LOOK AT THE LABEL FROM ITS FOUNDING IN 1939
(Matthew Barton is with the Library of Congress.)

Thomas: Didn't see your question before now, much belated:

SLP-93 = 1974 - From the copyright on the center labels but with Stinson, who knows. It's companion to the book.

SLPH-93 = 1977 - From the same source. Both use the same cover art (SLP-93) but only this one mentions "Stereo" if I recall correctly. I think it might just be Stinson's first proper stereo release.

With few exceptions, the red vinyl was limited to the later "Collector's Series" reissues. They started in New York just before the move to the West Coast.

I still haven't figured out who did the mastering and pressing on them; an arrow pierced heart (Cupid style) badge and "delta" prefix matrix numbers. Afaik, it's not Hancock per the video.

But if Barton is right about the other stuff, no reason to doubt him, the family split started well before they left New York.