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Loop and Lil (Van Zandt's 'If I Needed You')

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GUEST,Jim 11 Oct 06 - 02:12 PM
Midchuck 11 Oct 06 - 02:20 PM
Little Robyn 11 Oct 06 - 02:29 PM
Dan Schatz 11 Oct 06 - 02:48 PM
GUEST,Jim 11 Oct 06 - 02:54 PM
GUEST,Lindsay Haisley 10 Nov 17 - 02:18 AM
Hagman 11 Nov 17 - 02:36 AM
GUEST,Gerry 11 Nov 17 - 05:11 AM
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Subject: Loop and Lil
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 02:12 PM

In the third verse of Townes Van Zandt's song If I Needed You he says,"Loop and Lil agree". Who are Loop and Lil?


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil
From: Midchuck
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 02:20 PM

His parakeets.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil
From: Little Robyn
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 02:29 PM

I don't know the song but might it be '____ and you'll agree'?
Just a thought.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 02:48 PM

Nope - he said in no uncertain terms within my presence and has said on live albums, "Loop and Lil are parakeets."

Emmylou Harris changed it to "Who would ill agree" when she recorded the song with Don Williams. I guess you can't have a number one hit with unidentified parakeets in the chorus.

I have to admit it threw me for a Loop the first time I heard it - or was it a Lil?


Dan Schatz


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 11 Oct 06 - 02:54 PM

Well thanks Michuck and Dan. You too Little Robyn.
After reading Midchuck's response, I googled Loop and Lil and found this:
"He says that the lyrics were changed in the Emmylou and Doc Watson version to "Who could ill agree / she's a site to see / and a treasure for the poor to find." The original lyric was "Loop and Lil agree" and Loop and Lil were Townes' two parakeets. Loop was named after the North Loop drugstore in Austin where they used to buy codeine cough syrup and Lil was named after a girl Townes knew."


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil (Van Zandt's 'If I Needed You')
From: GUEST,Lindsay Haisley
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 02:18 AM

Loop and Lil were Guy and Susanna Clark?s parakeets. Townes wrote the song while he was staying with them.


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil (Van Zandt's 'If I Needed You')
From: Hagman
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 02:36 AM

"Loop and Lil were Guy and Susanna Clark?s parakeets. Townes wrote the song while he was staying with them. "

Not according to all the published sources - the parakeets were indeed Townes's.


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Subject: RE: Loop and Lil (Van Zandt's 'If I Needed You')
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:11 AM

I hesitate to disagree with Lindsay Haisley when it comes to Texas music, but Guy Clark himself says they were Townes van Zandt's parakeets in the introduction to If I Needed You on the Songs and Stories album. You can hear it at https://guyclark.bandcamp.com/album/songs-and-stories


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