Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?

Subject: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Penny
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:10 PM

It's my father's birthday on St. Patrick's Day, so he sometimes seems to feel himself honorarily Irish: his grandfather was said to be good at dancing in an Irish sort of way, so there is thought to be a thin thread of it in us. He remembers his mother singing a song, one of those which delights in strings of words and rhythm and jokes, but is probably not folk, more likely to be music-hall, from the rest of her repertoire, concerning an Irishman who got himself to Parliament with a large majority. (I'm not sure where the quotes kick in). I don't remember any more, and he seems to have forgotten the rest as well. Does it ring any bells out there? I'm not sure how it developed, or whether the fun was at the expense of the British governing classes, the Irish, or both. If the first or the last of those options, I would like to have the words for a birthday present. If it was just an extended piece of offensive stage Irishry, I think it had better aty forgotten. Can anyone help?

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Penny
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:11 PM

And I have looked in the database!

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: j0_77
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:28 PM

- I don't know any song like you mention but I can imagine the 'shenanigans'. :)

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 01:59 PM

Penny, could it be thisone from the Forum?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 02:50 PM

I could remember a little of the words but not the title of the song, but thanks to Wolfgang, now one can find the date, author, and composer on a copy in the Levy collection [Mudcat's Links], Box 141, #105.

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Penny
Date: 10 Mar 99 - 05:34 PM

Thanks Wolfgang, sounds a likely match, I'll try it out on Dad and see what he thinks. And I thought I really was expecting too much on such a sparse piece of information, even here. Back in my grandmother's time, it would, I think have been Parliament, hence the problem with searching.

Penny

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 11 Mar 99 - 04:50 AM

Penny, I just was lucky with my search. I didn't know the title and I tried "senator" in a Forum search for a had a faint recollection of the story. And then my search word only appears once in that long song!

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Penny
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 07:03 PM

Wolfgang, Delayed response, but I have now been serenaded enthusiastically over the phone by my father singing the Irish Jubilee, or at least part of it. It was the right song, and he knows the tune: that version had more verses than he remembered so it was much appreciated. Thank you very much for your help, and whoever for the luck that my tiny part triggered your tiny part, and that that found it in Forum search. I think my father has spent part of the day searching through his 78s, but found that what he had was Phil the Fluter's Ball. (Which doesn't surprise me, as I would have known it better if it had been there. It must have been one of the records his mother gave away.) And he does remember it as Parliament, which would have made the celebrations extremely enthusiastic.

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 10:05 AM

Penny, I'm glad to hear about the happy end. But can there be an end with music?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Victorian Irish patter-song for the 17th?
From: Penny
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 03:28 PM

I have to learn it myself now, don't I?