BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November

Subject: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: kendall
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 08:55 PM

Do you still light bonfires all over Britain on November 5th?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 09:04 PM

A lot of decadent buggers did it tonight (Saturday 4th), a day early, whcih I thino is cheating - like shifting Christmas to the weekend when it isn't, or May Day to the nearest Monday.   

The fireworks were going off all over the place. Sounded like a war zone.

It occurred to me that it's good to live in a place where you can hear that stuff without seriously worrying whether it's guns and bombs.

But I went out singing instead, for harlowpoet's book launch. I like looking at fireworks, but I don't much like the sound. And I prefer bonfires with chestnuts and potatoes, and the kind of bangers you can eat.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:42 AM

Both our neighbours had fireworks that sounded more like mortar attacks last night - still going at 10.30 last night!! In fact we could hear fireworks at 2am which was not funny!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: number 6
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:57 AM

It wasn't a happy day for Guy Fawkes.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 11:57 AM

No, its a bad thing. No wonder we got problems with Ireland when we have a festival where we burn a Catholic in effigy.

We ought to celebrate something nice.

Just can't think of anything. I thought it was nice when Lin married that French bloke on Howards Way. But then he drowned on honeymoon. I was shattered at the time time.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: greg stephens
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 12:24 PM

Better to burn Catholics in effigy, rather than Protestants in reality, surely?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Shaneo
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 12:34 PM

Guy Fawkes had the right idea , burn down the houses of parliament and start from scratch to treat catholics and protestants as equal.
Maybe then there would not be so much oppression around the world

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: greg stephens
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 12:39 PM

Probably barrels of gunpowder weren't the most sensible things to use, then?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 01:09 PM

Well, we were among the decadent last night too. This year my Guy, with his mask, sort of looked like an overweight Barbara Stanwick, a cross between my husband, me and my departed grandmother. Really weird and with the cord pants, houndstooth check sports jacket and cowboy hat, definitely not of the 17th century.

The great thing was that the bonfire seemed to hold off the record rainfall we've been having for the past few days. At least long enough for the sky to clear and the moon and stars to come out for a couple of hours, before it started pissing down again. Great night.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 01:41 PM

Here's a Guy Fawkes celebration with a difference - they are burning a model of the Houses of Parliament. November 5th 2005, Victoria Park London.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: fat B****rd
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 02:29 PM

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Guy Fawkes night/day had to be acknowledged by law until the mid 19th Century.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: terrier
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 04:55 PM

Well,it's 21:40 November 5th.
It's been a quiet night as Guy Fawkes nights go. All the animals outside seem to have settled down now. We've had no terrified escapees this year, I hope everyone else has been so lucky and I hope the bonfire night casualties have remembered that they are in the minority and most people have enjoyed the festivities. Maybe the OAP's have not had any fireworks pushed through their letter boxes this year and the baby in the pram will in time be thankful that the firework thrown into the crowded marketplace did not land in it's pram(but it was very close) and the man who was badly injured when a lighted firework was thrown into a building will recover without too much scarring.
I just love these quaint English customs. Never mind, ROLL ON NEXT YEAR.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 02:39 AM

A lot of decadent buggers did it tonight (Saturday 4th), a day early, whcih I thino is cheating

When I was younger, Bonfire Night was always on the 4th if the 5th fell on a Sunday. Those people enjoying themselves, when they should have been at church, would have been seen as the decadent ones.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 04:01 AM

Guy Fawkes has just been declared as an ' English Icon ' here in Yorkshire we've long held Guy as one of the great Yorkshiremen of all times, [ along with Robin Hood ] it's been said a thousand times but no apologies for saying it again , Guy Fawkes was the last person to enter parliament with honest intentions.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 06:33 AM

Robin Hood a Yorkshireman?
You'll be telling us next his arch enemies were the Sheriff of Pontefract and Sir Guy of Halifax,Eric

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: fogie
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:40 AM

I used to love Bonfire night, and still long for the sparks flying, the smell of smoke and powder, and the chestnuts, baked spuds and parkin. My little problem is what it does to my poor dog, I cant take it with me ,and feel unable to leave it shaking and frightened in the house, even with the radio on full blast.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 10:58 AM

Old Guido resided just round the corner from where I type for a while - Ordsall Hall, Salford. One of the many national treasures that are under threat due to lack of funding and crap management unfortunately:-(

The thing about having your bonfire on a Saturday was not so much to do with decadence (does that mean having 10 teeth btw?) but to do with the Sunday issue mentioned. Sundays had allsorts of local by-laws attached to them. One of them, around these parts anyway, being you were not allowed to have bonfires (including the non-Guy Fawkes ones for buring garden rubbish) on a Sunday.

Richard 'Hamster' Hammond during his sojurn in Science Abuse did a realy good piece on whether the plot would have worked had it not been discovered - and boy did it! In a most spectacular style. Mind you I think the stocks of both gunpowder and concrete in the UK and most of Europe have never fully recovered from his experiment:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:22 AM

Robin Hood - Locksley, just West of Sheffield. Died and buried at Kirklees priory, just off the Brighouse turn on the M62. Much evidence thet he resided in the Forest of Barnsdale, Barnsdale Bar about 6 miles south of Pontefract on the old Great North Road (Now bits of the A1).
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 12:36 PM

We decided to civilise it a bit this year. We had a bonfire consisting mainly of 30 drafts of a Phd, and used it to burn a few Jelly babies. We didn't bother dressing them....




Why be normal? It's less fun....

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:18 PM

"Much evidence thet he resided in the Forest of Barnsdale, "
How much time did he spend commuting to Nottingham Geoff?

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 12:23 AM

Historically Sherwood Forest in Nottinghamshire has no connection to Robin Hood, it's a Hollywood and Nottingham invention.
Robin Hood was always linked, as Geoff the Duck has already said, to the Forest of [ variously spelled ] Barnsdale, Barnisdale, Barndale, which is in YORKSHIRE.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 03:01 AM

And Father Christmas lives in Leeds or is that another legend hi-jack

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 04:36 AM

Their was a double page spread photograph in the Guardian on Monday of the procession at Lewes. Anybody see that?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 07:21 AM

Anyway what has it got to do with a Yellowbelly ?

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:44 AM

Well somebody's got to try and stop you Yorkies stealing all the best legends Eric, and all your Lancashire mates seem happy to let you do it,where's Raggytash when he's needed?

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:49 AM

And you still owe me a pint from Whitby or is that the reason you have'nt turned up for the past 10 years

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:19 AM

Father Christmas used to live in Bradford. He had a small flat on one of the upper floors of Busby's Department Store which he used to open to the public a few weeks before Christmas.
I know, I went there several years for a visit when I was a tiddler. He even gave me a small present.
Nice bloke!
Quack!
Geoff.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:57 AM

That can't be right Geoff as I know for a fact the flat was in the basement of the Co-op in Scunthorpe High Street

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:59 AM

Maybe he commuted?
Anyway, I'm not sure where he moved to after Busby's burned to the ground.
Quack!
Geoff.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:01 AM

Did Guy Fawkes have a hand in that?

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:03 AM

Not sure, but November was prime time for disused wool warehouses to go up in flames.
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:05 AM

I wonder if he commuted to Halifax as well?

Gerry

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:34 AM

Can't buy you a pint in the Plough anymore Gerry, I'll get there next year, Tap n Spile maybe.

I allus thowt Santa lived in Leeds, we were far too poor to have 'im come to Halifax.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:40 AM

It was Robin Hoods brother who came from Sherwood Forest, Robin Bastard, stole from the rich and kept it.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Shields Folk
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 08:31 AM

You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you cannot tell him much.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: gnu
Date: 07 Nov 09 - 02:34 PM

Why is it not called Robert Catesby Night?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 07 Nov 09 - 03:41 PM

Greetings from Beverley the birthplace of Thomas Percy, plotter! Is it my imagination are there considerably less fireworks this year?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 04:59 AM

A pedant responds ' no, but there may have been fewer'

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 05:11 AM

My recording of "Cob-a-Coaling", with English flute intro, is still atop my myspace player.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Little Robyn
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 05:47 AM

I had a lovely birthday - fireworks and all.
And there were obviously parties going on all round the neighborhood, with large, highflying, spectacular crackers.
Cheers,
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 08 Nov 09 - 01:51 PM

Decidedly fewer and more far between, the fireworks here. My first year in UK 2003, it was every night all around me starting early October and carried on until near end of November.

Bloody pyromaniacs. I was a nervous wreck as I don't respond well to loud sudden noises. (That's why I divorced him ...badadadaching).

Anyway, been very quiet here this year. Started on the 1st November. We've had a few tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: GUEST,Mike
Date: 09 Nov 09 - 08:30 AM

I can never get my head round why people celebrate the fact that Guido Fawkes failed in his attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament.

A much worthier reason to celebrate would have been if he had succeeded.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Nov 09 - 08:51 AM

You never said a truer word Mike, but at least they tried.

Dave H

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 10:33 AM

Remember remember

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Jos
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 12:27 PM

Some firms trying to sell unnecessary stuff to the gullible public have been promoting something they call "Bonfire Weekend".
They did the same earlier in the year when they invented something called "Valentine's Weekend".

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 01:00 PM

They can fuck off, our greyhound like 1000s of others is a shaking heap again this evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 04:49 PM

Oh poor Dreamy, Bonzo! I've been pleasantly surprised because here in our village I've heard just one very brief 'salvo' (not all that loud) and nothing else. Perhaps people are slowly realising that it just isn't fair to farm animals,house pets, young babies and the nervous elderly to make loud explosions in the dark.
It could of course have been deferred until the weekend (hope not!)

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 06:34 PM

Dreamy is calm now the fireworks have stopped, but they will carry on around here for another few days.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Nov 20 - 09:49 PM

Happy Guy Fawkes day to you and your pets.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 20 - 09:54 AM

It's not a happy guy fawkes day at all. I heard that despite the lockdown, a firework shop near to Croydon is selling fireworks from the back of the shop. I hope they are caught and heavily fined!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: BobL
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 02:58 AM

Is click/phone & collect still allowed, if collection is properly distanced?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 06:39 AM

How fabulously successful the propaganda has been if the idea is "better to burn Catholics in effigy than Protestants in reality"! Read up a little about the pogroms driving Catholics from their homes in Northern Ireland, about the kidnaps and murders or random Catholics by Loyalist gangs (one boasted "the bullets going into her breasts sounded like they were going into a pillow").
Iconographising interracial or interreligious hatred is not a good idea in any case whatsoever; the truth will set you free.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 12:43 PM

This is now the 5th night running that our greyhound is uncontrollably shaking because of these fucking shits letting off deafening fireworks. The sooner they are banned the better.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:08 PM

Try double glazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 01:31 PM

We have full double-glazing, and a few minutes ago it was like the Battle of the Somme. Such loud, deep explosions, the house shook. Rockets raining down into our garden, husband on oil-tank duty. I can hear our neighbours' dogs actually screaming. Other side, her three cats are buried under duvets trembling in fear. (We're on Facebook)
I can't imagine how the riding stables up the road are coping with all their panicking horses. They're safely stabled, but they try to climb somehow over their doors.

Is all this justifiable in any way?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Nov 20 - 04:42 PM

Sen: Is all this justifiable in any way?

To quote a song (and title) from "Fiddler on the roof": "Tradition!"

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:10 AM

Tradition my arse, there is nothing traditional about recreating the Battle of the Somme soundtrack every night since the beginning of November - it is now the 8 November is it traditional to let off fireworks on that day, or tomorrow of the next day. Now we know for certain that a portion of this nightly racket comes from a gypsy site less than one mile away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 11:32 AM

Steady now...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 04:22 PM

Horse struck in the eye by firework need I go on????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 05:59 PM

"Less than one mile away" my arse. Unless fireworks were less than three or four hundred yards away you'd hardly hear them much at all. Our nearest fireworks display was 300 yards away and we completely missed it as we didn't hear anything. The next nearest was up at the farm, a quarter of a mile away. We saw a few lights but didn't hear a thing. The next nearest was at the Bay View at Widemouth Bay (known to Raggytash), about half a mile away. We heard nothing and saw next to nothing. My view is that fireworks for Guy Fawkes should be restricted to two or three nights around Nov 5 at the most. Other than that, live at let live. The other 362 days and nights your dog is free to go and shit all over the streets. We have to live and let live with that. Just keep your dog in and turn the bloody telly up.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 06:11 PM

Tradition - well, maybe. But times have changed. I may have posted about 'old times' before, but when I was small, Guy Fawkes Night was a real treat. We always went down the road to a neighbour's house, and took our homemade mince pies plus a half-crown box of fireworks. All the other children did the same, and the dad, Mr Jones, let off the various types himself:-
Catherine wheels (pretty but not noisy)
Roman candles (three softish bangs with three different colours) Golden rain (pretty and quiet)
About three small rockets (whoosh rather than bang)
and of course my favourite: sparklers, which we waved around making patterns.
Our stuffed Guy burned merrily on top of the bonfire.
Now none of this was particularly noisy,and lasted about twenty minutes. No appalling 'explosions' like bombs.
If things were exactly the same now, I think it would be better.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 06:25 PM

Absolutely right, our Dreamy found her own safe place by the mirror on the door of our wardrobe with her friend - ie her own reflection!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 20 - 07:07 PM

Rose-coloured specs, Senoufou. When I was about eleven or twelve I'd stuff my pockets with about 100 penny bangers and a couple of boxes of matches (the ones with a picture of Captain Webb on the front) and my backup was a big clutch of Brocks "repeating bombshells". They were cheap and were at least as noisy and threatening as anything you can buy today. It it was on just the one night, a sentiment I keep repeating.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 02:50 PM

Haha Steve, that picture fits exactly with how I imagine you as a young boy! Pocket full of bangers, some matches and an 'attitude'! Yes! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 06:14 PM

You are not wrong, dear girl... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Nov 20 - 08:52 PM

Something I only found out today: there is an overwhelming majority of public opinion in Scotland in favour of banning private possession of fireworks. But they can't be banned here because this is an issue the Westminster regime won't let the Scottish Government legislate on.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 11:50 AM

Remember, remember!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 12:32 PM

There was a TV advert when I was a kid

Light up the skies with Standard fireworks
Dad's big surprise is Standard fireworks

At which point us kids would scream "coz a rocket hit him up the bum" and then roll about laughing:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 01:05 PM

Hee hee Dave!
It's pitch dark here (5pm) and not a bang (or a whimper) so far. If anything starts, I'll have to be on oil tank duty most of the evening, because husband is school-cleaning until 9pm (He's always on 'security duty' too, and has to lock up the entire campus)
I so hate it when I hear all the dogs screaming in fright. Some neighbours put on our Village Facebook some recommended 'medication' which calms dogs down. Perhaps I should take some too?
I honestly think no fireworks should be available to the general public and no private setting-off allowed. It should be restricted to public displays on registered venues, with the appropriate fire-security measures in place.
Horrible old Grinch aren't I?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 03:07 PM

”I honestly think no fireworks should be available to the general public and no private setting-off allowed. It should be restricted to public displays on registered venues, with the appropriate fire-security measures in place.”

I agree, Sen.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 03:11 PM

Oops, pressed ‘Go’ too soon!

We’ve had fireworks banging and crashing like the opening barrage of the Battle of The Somme for the past week, and I expect it will last another week or more. Completely unnecessary, and extremely selfish and anti-social.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 04:18 PM

Why should folks not be allowed fireworks?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 04:28 PM

It is indeed anti-social Backwoodsman.
One has always to consider ones neighbours when living in a close community like our little village. There are babies sleeping, nervous old people, frightened dogs and many wooden fences and sheds which could catch fire (not to mention kerosene oil tanks!)
In a nearby village (called Hockering) a chap's bonfire got out of control, set fire to his fence and the heat exploded his neighbours' oil tank. His house caught fire too and he had to bring his wife to live with their son and his family (opposite our house!) for many months. Everyone here calls him Bonfire Billy. The people in Hockering, strangely enough, are not too friendly towards him now that he has moved back ( after receiving a gigantic insurance claim payout).

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 04:48 PM

Well I haven't set off a firework for decades (and I made sure our pussycat stayed in this evening), but I can't agree with some of you curmudgeons. Whilst firework sales should be strictly permitted for adults only (unlike in my day, when I roamed around Radcliffe with like-minded mates with a bundle of penny bangers looking for trouble...), and that I feel that bonfire night should be the ONLY night we see or hear them, I just don't think that we should go sniffily around calling for the banning of stuff all the time. Sure, it's an inconvenience to pet owners, etc., but it isn't hard to keep your beast indoors on a few evenings a year in the winter (and don't get me started on the inconvenience that a good number of the less responsible pet owners cause round here 365 days of the year...)

Live and let live, eh, and let's just encourage everyone to have their fun responsibly.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 05:47 PM

Don't talk rubbish Steve Shaw, here is a Petrified greyhound due to fireworks

Not ours, she is with our dogwalker in a soundproofed room.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:17 PM

Princess Molly the Mollificent, our scaredy cat, was very brave. Only hid under the bed for a couple of hours and, daft as I am, I put relaxing music on the Echo for her :-)

I don't think fireworks should be banned but, as suggested earlier, there should be strict controls. If owners cannot keep their pets safe for one night maybe they should consider boarding them to someone who can calm them for the night?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:35 PM

But it’s not ‘one night’ though, is it Dave? It’s been going on for a week here, and it will certainly go on for another several nights, possibly a week.

I don’t ask for fireworks to be banned, but I do believe they should only be sold to organisers of official displays. That would prevent the prolonged and anti-social setting-off of fireworks that we get now.

And Steve, they’re not ‘Penny Bangers’ any more, are they? If they were just Penny Bangers (or even Tuppenny Canons), I wouldn’t object. But they’re very big, very loud, close-to-professional-standard pyrotechnic devices.

Bonzo, that video of the terrified greyhound was heartbreaking.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:45 PM

If I'm expected to put the feelings of a dog above the mass of humanity, then I'm afraid I can see no competition. There have been two bouts of loud firework activity near my house tonight (bloody farmers...), but I just kept my cat indoors. She wasn't keen, but hey ho. Unless your house is made of super-thin cardboard, your dog would be perfectly safe indoors for a couple of hours, and I'm assuming that you don't exactly allow your dog to roam outdoors after dark...

So many dog-owners appear to have a massive sense of entitlement. Well the rest of the human race, who go to work, put up with the privations of everyday life, who struggle on, furloughs, job insecurity, kids trapped at home, months of lockdowns, etc., just for one night outdoors in November, just might want to have a bit of outdoor fun with our duffle coats on. Just as we've done for decades and centuries. Human beings are the heart and soul of this country. Your dog, lovely though it may be, is a bolt-on which you chose. Get a grip, mate, and let's live and let live, and please grab yourself a sense of proportion.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:45 PM

Why do you think I said there should be strict controls,John?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 06:51 PM

And, I hasten to add, I've said that Guy Fawkes night should BE one night. It was when we were little, it worked quite well that way, and that's how I feel it should be. But anyone who thinks that fireworks should be banned because some people have dogs...well, just bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 10:47 PM

I'm an animal lover, and an 'exciting exploding things that go bang' lover..

I had dogs, cats, and lound fireworks when I was a kid, and no problems
with petrified pets...

Surely thr 21st Century human race has not become so thick and intolerant,
that we can't work out an effective compromise...

Yes, I've seen the petition circulating to ban, or heavily restrict,
or only manufacture and sell 'silent' fireworks...

[that reminds me of those pointless pathetic safe shite indoor fireworks of childhood bordom]

Doting cat owners would surely enjoy dressing their spoiled felines with cute daft looking sound protected ear muffs..
Likewise dog owners, etc..

Think of the photo opportunities for pet crazy social media sites...


Now to the slightly more serious part;

Ex combat veterans, suffering ptsd, ARE making a more convincing case for sympathy and consideration
regarding fireworks,
though accept the onus is on themselves making their own intelligent arrangement to be safe and secure whenever the noise kicks off...

I have far more empathy for them, than the moaning entitled old 'poor nervous pussy' worshippers
bombarding social media with anti firework agitation...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 03:58 AM

perhaps we should celebrate by blowing up parliament, but do it properly this time

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 04:35 AM

Have you ever seen a Terrified greyhound from loud fireworks?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 04:40 AM

Parliament Square protesters clash with police on Bonfire Night

"Hundreds of anti-establishment activists have clashed with police in central London on Bonfire Night.

Eight officers were injured and 12 people arrested on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

Protesters wearing Guy Fawkes-style masks gathered at Trafalgar Square, with some throwing fireworks at police."

And

"Many of the demonstrators held signs protesting against the coronavirus lockdown, while some were seen setting off fireworks and using laser pointers.

One, who gave his name only as Richard, from London, said the protest, which has taken place on 5 November for several years, was a "continuation" of the "anti-Covid" marches.

"It's basically a continuation of the anti-Covid marches that we've been on since the beginning of the year," he said."."



Ah, anti-covid too. What a surprise. At least some of them were wearing masks but probably not for covid reasons. Wonder if they carry some form of disclaimer, making clear that they are not wearing masks for covid reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 06:10 AM

If British violent anti mask/vax/lockdown demonstraters take their cue from American neo fascist online brainwashers;
then perhaps our police should be allowed special dispensation
to respond like American police in dealing with them...

Bang.. Bang.. Bang...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 06:17 AM

Btw.. Down here in the South West, historic rebel town Bridgwater
is famed for it's traditional loud riotous looking pyrotechnic Sqibbing...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 06:30 AM

Agreed!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 10:44 AM

I hate to see anyone or anything in distress and causing animals distress by inconsiderate use of fireworks is something that does need to be addressed. I don't think a blanket ban on fireworks is the answer though as it punishes everyone for the actions of a few idiots.


But, Bonzo and Sen, but I cannot understand how you can be so caring for animals yet support a regime that has caused untold misery and countless deaths to people by its austerity policies. I do not intend to go further into politics on here as that is frowned on by the moderators. I just wanted to point out that you seem to have your priorities wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 11:43 AM

Yes, and various pet sanctuaries are currently having to deal with a surge in numbers of abandoned pets that were acquired during the last 18 months...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 12:07 PM

Everyone knows we Brits are a nation of animal lovers.

We even rescue refugee dogs, donkeys, and other animals, from far away less civilized foreign countries,
to come and stay with us..

Some of these poor animals know what it's like to have suffered in warzones.

The last thing they need now is yobbos letting off noisy fireworks..

.. and a lot of these firework hooligans are probably scrounging trouble making foreigners who we never wanted here in the first place..

So please spare a thought for our poor furry friends, the cuddly kitties and doggies, and retired hard-working donkeys.
Many of them had enough of nasty loud explosions in their own primitive countries..

We helped them escape
to a better more caring life in our tranquil, compassionate, and inclusive Great Britain...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 12:09 PM

"Inclusive"??? Yes of utter arseholes who are playing with explosives!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 06:28 PM

It's been unbearable this evening, sounded like a war zone outside, and our greyhound despite being doped up with calming tablets and my scarf wrapped around her ears, she has been terrified. She is going back to our dog sitters for another sleepover in their soundproofed room tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 21 - 08:23 PM

You're exaggerating for effect. Just for a few hours, shut your windows and stay in a cosy room with your beast. He/she wouldn't be outdoors at the apposite times anyway. We've owned cats for almost half a century. Keeping them out of the way for a few hours is no tribulation. Your outrage is confected. Get a life, mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 02:31 AM

Bonzo you knew nov 5 th was coming, why did you not prepare, were you not in the boy scouts. put your dog in kennels or take a vacation to ireland, there are hardly any bangs here, but please do not visit me

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 07:04 AM

shaw and sandman - don't be so fucking stupid, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 07:05 AM

what unfeeling total arseholes you both are.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:31 AM

...see the man who refers to gypsies as gyppos, Muslims as rag heads and slags off females for their looks, colour and weight.

If you cared half as much for people as you did for animals, Bonzo, people may take your feigned indignation more seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:32 AM

...sez the man...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:34 AM

Oh please all of you, stop this awful slanging match! And Dave, why bring my politics into a discussion about fireworks? It seems every time I appear on here, someone brings up the fact I vote Tory.
This forum is becoming most unpleasant to visit, and these comments must give the American contributors a terrible idea of British people's manners and lack of self-control.
I can guess now who's going to weigh in next ...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:41 AM

"why bring my politics into a discussion about fireworks?"

Because there is already an ongoing online campaign from 'conservative' minded pet lovers
politicizing the issue of fireworks..

They are agitating all over social media, making absurd demands,
organizing petitions, demonising ordinary folks who want to enjoy fireworks...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:53 AM

and are you suggesting I'm one of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:53 AM

”Oh please all of you, stop this awful slanging match!…..This forum is becoming most unpleasant to visit, and these comments must give the American contributors a terrible idea of British people's manners and lack of self-control.
I can guess now who's going to weigh in next ...

Spot-on, Sen. Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 12:33 PM

Sen - Of course not. Honestly, you were not even on my mind until you popped in just now..

You may be a tory, but you are one of our old fashioned good decent compassionate tories..

Unlike the crooks in govt calling themselves 'tories', who let you down.


Btw - American contributers are in not really in any comfortable superior position to hold the moral highground over us Brits...

.. jusy saying...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:29 PM

OK, pax everyone! :)
Just now, some more fireworks are going off up the road, but not very loud ones.
Please remember that Bonzo is coping with a terrified dog and also Mrs Bonzo has had painful problems with her eye, needing injections, and hasn't been sleeping well. He must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:56 PM

Sen, this person who probably needs peace and quiet at home just posted

what unfeeling total arseholes you both are

Sounds more like spoiling for a fight than needing peace and quiet to me.

As to bringing your politics into it, if you care to review my post you will see that I said specifically that I did not want to bring politics into it. My whole point was that both you and Bonzo obviously care very much about animal welfare yet, seemingly, support a regime that could not care less about peoples lives. That is not political, just strangely incongruous.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 02:59 PM

Oh, I seem to have missed Bonzo's post just above the one calling people unfeeling total arseholes.

shaw and sandman - don't be so fucking stupid, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about as ever.

"under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home" Are you sure?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:05 PM

"Please remember that Bonzo is coping with a terrified dog and also Mrs Bonzo has had painful problems with her eye, needing injections, and hasn't been sleeping well. He must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet at home."

Yeah, sure. And Owen Paterson, no matter what an utter shit he is, bang to rights apropos of his blatant breach of the lobbying rules, who's had painful problems with his incredibly wealthy wife's suicide, which he is shamelessly and disgracefully using in order to get sympathy to divert from his wrongdoings, must be under quite some stress, and probably needs peace and quiet away from us unentitled plebs...

I mean, bloody 'ell...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 08:22 PM

Sorry about that. But one thing I can't be doing with is rank hypocrisy....

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Senoufou
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 02:46 AM

I'm out of here. Goodbye to you all, and 'keep a-troshing' everybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:20 AM

Well done Steve. Another one driven away by your non-stop boorishness and judgmental preaching. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

In the light of your ‘hypocrisy’ comment, you might also consider the hypocrisy of someone who excoriates others for calling for stronger fireworks controls because in your opinion, despite the damage they cause to animals, it would take away pleasure from people who enjoy them, but who himself authored a thread calling for the destruction of a social media platform that, despite its undoubted faults, brings pleasure and comfort to millions of people who enjoy taking part in it.

“O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us…”

Now I’m following Senoufou, this place is starting to get up my nose.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:09 AM

I made a practical suggestion, that Bonzo removed himself from a problem he has no control over, either put his dog in kennels or take himself off for a holiday to an area where there are few bangs.That way his problem is solved
he replies by calling me an arsehole, Bonzo rminds me of people who like to have something to moan about, I was with a woman for 24 years who was like that.
I never mentioned anyones politics did I?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:57 AM

I've called for stronger fireworks controls repeatedly myself in this thread, John. I've said that sales should be restricted to adults only and that fireworks should be restricted to bonfire night only. And I could be reminding you of the petulant outbursts of expletives from the chap with wafer-thin house walls. I haven't driven anyone away, either. We're all grown-ups here who are free to go. Or stay.

Interestingly, for a refreshing change round here I've only heard fireworks on 5 November.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 05:02 AM

Incidentally, re Facebook, "let's ditch Facebook" is a suggestion, not a call for Facebook's "destruction."

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 10:21 AM

I hope you change your mind Senoufou. I enjoy your posts. I liked your post on this thread about Bonfire Billy.

Someone recently posted the following quote from Brian Cox:

"The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!"

Just scroll past posts that you don't like. You don't even have to read them if they are from any particular poster.

There is an element in nearly all posters to the net/web, of liking the sight of their own typing. Some more so than others.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 11:28 AM

Sen might have just meant she's only leaving this thread...???

Besides which, how many times has she previously taken offence and left mudcat for good...?????


I've forgotten the number of times I've got bored here and drifted off into the sunset......


But somthing addictive about this place always lures us back eventually...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 03:21 PM

Sen isn't out of here as in out of Mudcat. She is out of here as in has no answer to the point made about hypocrisy in caring about animals but not people.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 05:19 PM

Four legs good, two legs baaaaaad.

The times we live in, hey?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 06:52 PM

FWIW here in the U.S. there are many dogs that are terrified of the fireworks that get set off in our neighborhood during July 4th, and New Years, many of them illegally. The old dog of my two closest friends had to be kept in a lighted room with the radio going full blast. I'm thinking that there might be an overpressure phenomenon for some dogs (clearly not all; some dogs seem to accept fireworks okay).

We of course don't have any Guy Fawkes Day that I'm aware of. I'd love to attend some day.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 07:40 PM

Well we need to work harder to make sure that fireworks are hard to get illegally and to make sure that they are allowed on just the one night. What we shouldn't be doing is banning fireworks because people choose to have dogs. Life's all about compromises. I'll do a deal with dog owners: don't ask for fireworks to be banned because they scare your dogs (once or twice a year), and I won't call for dogs to be banned despite all the dogshit everywhere in my town (365 days a year).

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 10:26 PM

As with children, dogs have become too molly coddled and over pampered in the 21st century..

I suggest dogs of my childhood were far more robust and less neurotic,
due to being better acclimatised to external challenges and stimulation,
than the soft headed pooches of today..

My family's dogs were rabbit hunting companions used to shot guns.
or my best friend who I took on long big adventure walks in all sorts of environments and conditions.'
Geting him used to loud traffic, railway lines, boisterous rough gangs of my schoolmates, FIREWORKS, etc...

We could/should blame inexperienced dog owners, the rise in dog ownership as domestic status symbols and fashion accessories
.. and plenty of other modern day factors which drasticaly push up the prices of dog ownership,
which means dogs have increasingly more money invested in their upkeep,
making families over protective and inkibited from taking risks with their 'fur babies'assets/posessions...

.. and of course the INTERNET must again be blamed for indulging the crankier organized spectrum of dog owners...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:14 PM

Steve - grass 'em up...

Pooper Snnooper


I'm a lifelong dog lover who has little regard for irresponsible and over-selfish dog owners..

At the moment I'm particularly annoyed at the fanatical entitled agenda to create an "Us versus them" division in society.
In order to get fireworks banned, or reduced literally to damp Sqibs..

.. and it's not just dog owners stirring up this divisiveness on the internet,
they have entered into an alliance with the darker side of the cat world...


(Yeah, I know that link is spelled wrong, I'm using my phone and can't be arsed doing it again..)...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:17 PM

Actually I have to, got no choice.
That link seems to be broken.

https://poopersnooper.app/

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 11:20 PM

Mod please fix if you could be so kind..
Cheers...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 11:48 AM

I was a Mod in the late 60s. Will I do?

https://poopersnooper.app/

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 01:12 PM

Gnomes on Lambrettas...

Now that's a remake of "Quadrophenia" Disney channel should consider...

https://poopersnooper.app/get-started

Thanks for helping, DtG, but that link from last night was pointing to the wrong page anyway..

My eyese are getting too old and tired for those small phone screens.

So.. this is the real link that works...

https://poopersnooper.app/get-started

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:20 PM

My Lambretta was the very rare GT200. A TV175 with an enhanced engine and go faster stripes. Be worth a fortune if I still had it!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 02:59 PM

Just because one person has a dog that can take fireworks does not give 'em a right to judge dogs that they know not of.

The nervous dog I speak of was a large quite intelligent Labrador (the most popular breed in the U.S. according to the infallibal internets) owned her whole life by a couple of southerners who treated her well but were by now means of the 'indulgent' kind of dog owner. As a young dog she did not fear fireworks or loud bangs, but over a long life she developed a great fearful reaction to them. The people live in a great neighborhood but there is a lake nearby and folks take the opportunity when the holidays permit to set up backyard fire displays. Since the lake is usually frozen at New Years' people have some quite elaborate parties cookouts and displays to go with. I persnally find it fun, but I have heard from many folks that this is hard on many dogs.

The couple I mention have a young dog now which is immune to almost all sources of fear. So fireworks are not a concern but local traffic IS.

Interesting that some folks think fireworks are a right but gun ownership is not. They're all bangers.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:08 PM

What a strange extrapolation

How many people do fireworks kill?
How many people do guns kill?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 03:17 PM

I don't think fireworks are a right.

[too be honest, I gradually became bored years ago, with the same old same old displays..]

I do advocate reasonable tighter control on firework sales and use.

But what I am complaining about are the apparently organised loud lobby of UK pet owners,
selfishly bombarding social media with demands for draconian restrictions..

When maybe so many of them should be making the effort to take more responsibility
for properly training and protecting their pets...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:00 PM

"When maybe so many of them should be making the effort to take more responsibility
for properly training and protecting their pets..."

What is this "proper training" I see above - do tell us. A lot of posters to this thread DO NOT know what they are talking about.

The only solution as far as we are concerned is boarding out at premises with a soundproof room, as we did for our greyhound on 5th & 7th November - very expensive of course. Even now she hesitates before going outside in the dark. She will take a few weeks to completely get over the fireworks on Saturday night, when she completely went to pieces.

Dozens of greyhound owners reported the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:17 PM

There may well be dozens of greyhound owners reporting the same, Bonzo. How does that compare to the millions of people who enjoy fireworks? Why should your dozens take priority over the millions? Don't get me wrong here. I do hate to see an animal in distress but get your priorities right.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:28 PM

Bonzo why not take a holiday around nov 5, to one of the many places that do not have fireworks

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 05:45 PM

Well I'd like to see the evidence of these claimed "dozens." Did you do a survey? The other thing is, poor you, you'd find it expensive to board your dog. Well I find it expensive, as a taxpayer and non-dogowner, to provide you with countless dog bins as well as the council chaps to empty them. Nice work if you can get it, eh? Not to speak of the cost of clearing dogshit from our streets and parks, needed in order to keep us all safe from disease. I don't think you pay enough for the privilege of owning your dog. A licence costing a couple of hundred a year would be about right, I reckon.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about, we've had cats, one, two or three at a time, for most of the last half-century. Unlike dogs, cats like to be out in the November gloaming, but we've never had any difficulty keeping them indoors on bonfire night. The other night we had a vicious thunderstorm, right overhead. We jumped out of our skins several times, but our pussycat didn't bat an eyelid. From what you're saying, it would have given your poor pooch a fatal heart attack. Maybe it never thunders in Croydon.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 05:50 PM

Bonz - Proper dog training can be very effective,
even with older dogs having troubled history and personality..

There's more than enough quite entertaining expert tv series on the subject.

..and plenty more of us dog lovers who succssfully raised well balanced less fearful canine best friends...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 04:32 AM

Bonzo say he is an accontant , but finds boarding dogs expensive.4 SUGGESTIONS,1. CHARGE MORE MONEY FOR YOUR ACCOUNTING.
2 Take Norman Tebbits advice, my dad didnt riot, he got on his bike and looked for work
3 dont take his advice and go and riot
4 go to speakers corner

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 05:19 AM

The bike would have to be a tandem. The greyhound has to sit somewhere...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 07:22 PM

Anyway, it's funny how things go. My Dad died on October 15 2018. His birthday was November 8. My Mum died on October 20 last year. Her birthday is tomorrow (November 12). A dear old relative has her birthday today (November 11), 93 today. Mrs Steve's birthday is October 25. Her Dad's birthday was October 13, as was the birthday of a previous fiancée of mine and of one of my best mates at school. Talk about clusters!

And before Bonzo wades in, yes I do know that Thatcher's birthday was October 13...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 21 - 08:10 PM

It also indicates that way back in early 20th Cent Britain,
there can't have been much else for couples to do during the cold months of Feb-March...

Now if only they'd had outdoor firework displays as well...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 03:16 PM

I've just been revisiting this thread and noticed the following

Well done Steve. Another one driven away by your non-stop boorishness and judgmental preaching. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

I think that is very unfair, John. It was me that brought up the incongruous nature of Sen's apparent care for animals while supporting the Tories in their war against the poor and those least able to defend themselves. If anyone is to blame it is me and, yes, I am proud of highlighting blatant hypocrisy where it rears its head. I think her departure was brought on by the fact that the bitter pill of truth was too difficult to swallow. Just my 2p.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:02 PM

There's always a bit of doggie oversensitivity when it comes to John. There is a legitimate grouse in this country when it comes to dogs and their owners - by no means all of 'em, of course - about irresponsible and antisocial behaviour. Not just the universal dogshit problem, but also of loose-running dogs in parks and on beaches, etc., that intimidate people whether or not the dogs "mean it." Some owners are so bloody stupid...("oh, he's only being friendly!" etc.). A minority (a word worth emphasising) of doggie owners seem to have this feeling of entitlement, that owning a dog somehow elevates them above the rest of us, "my pooch can't stand fireworks, so ban 'em, and why can't my pooch run free (and shit) on your beach...sod your kids..."

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:06 PM

I'd ban kids if it were up to me...

.. then cats.. and yappy little dogs..

.. then whenever the whim strikes, everything ese that irritates me...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

Put 'em in order of preference, pfr...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

Put 'em in order of preference, pfr...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 04:23 PM

As many times as you like....

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 05:12 AM

Well, I hope mentioning dogs doesn't hound anyone else out.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 05:15 AM

Are you saying that mentioning dogs is a curs on this place?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 08:21 AM

It is a pity that some people feel hounded out from various threads. Even more of a pity that some seem to like the hounding.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 08:38 AM

Just because someone butts out in high dudgeon it doesn't mean they were "hounded out." Unless you know different, of course...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 10:52 AM

Some people just don't have the dogged determination

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 12:53 PM

You've given me paws for thought there, Dave. Too doggone right you have...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Guy Fawkes Day 5 November
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Nov 21 - 12:57 PM

Well this thread is now well pooched...!!!