Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?

Subject: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 09:04 AM

There is a classical piano piece that goes round my head and I would love to know the title and composer.
It's in a very lively 3/4 and I've worked out the first bit of the tune as best I can on my trusty Harmony.
A B A/G F# E/D F# A/E Eb C#
Excuse any wrong notes but that's a near as I can get it.
Thanking you. fB

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 06:22 PM

OUCH!!

There is no melody for what you have posted - It wanders - There is no key.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Take away the 3/4 time and you have a piece worthy of "deconstructionist" John Cage.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Dec 06 - 07:06 PM

Almost

"The hills are alive, with the sound of myooozik..."

but the last two notes are way off.

How about putting it into ABC?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:43 AM

Huh !

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:59 AM

My apologies. I meant Huh ??

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 06:13 AM

At the risk of seeming dafter (which doesn't bother me) it goes sort of didalee/didalee/dodalee/dudalee.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:17 AM

Looks (and sounds) like it's in D maj, with the last three notes (if correct! requiring a slightly bizarre modulation to Emaj. With or without those last three notes, it doesn't sound like anything I've heard in the classical repertoire.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: terrier
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:18 AM

Fast / slow?   major / minor?
Are these notes at the beginning of the piece or in the middle?
Are they a recurring theme?
Using your trusty Harmony can decide what key it is in? e.g. Fmajor, Eminor, etc.
What is the prize for the solution to this challenge??? I can send you my Xmas list. :)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bernard
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 09:08 AM

I know exactly what it is... except I can't remember! Auuuugh!!

It's a piano piece, probably Chopin, very likely one of his Mazurkas, but I'm damned if I can put a name to it...

Then again, I may be completely wrong...

Ignore FB's key, because it may be wrong. It's definitely major, though, and the last three notes he's given us are wrong, and there's a twiddle missing from the first bit... could be in 6/8...

Using FB's 'key':

X: 1
T:Unknown
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:100
C:Chopin?
K:D
aa/2b/2a gf#e|df#a d'c'#b|
c'#ba bag|agf# gf#e|

...etc.

Am I close?

It's nagging me, now... grrrrr!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST,van lingle
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 09:36 AM

The first seven notes sound like a phrase from Frere Jacques after that?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 12:18 PM

well, here's midi files of almost all of Chopin, with other composers to look thru also...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: OldPossum
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 03:27 PM

I feel just like Bernard! I am pretty sure I have heard it before, but totally forgotten what it is! I am however almost certain that it is not Chopin. Instead of a "twiddle" I remember it as the first note being a dotted quarter-note (in 3/4 rhythm). I agree the last three notes are wrong. It is a piano piece allright, and if I remember correctly there is also an unobtrusive accompaniment of strings?

If I *really* rack my brain, I seem to remember that there is a woman's name in the title, and the composer just might be English. I could be totally wrong on the last two counts though.

It comes up fairly often on the radio stations that play light classical music.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 05:36 PM

Like Bernard, I know this tune. It keeps repeating the refrain Bernard posted and I think also that is it Chopin with something to do with round and round, as in perpetual motion. I definitely know this as I have tried to play it on the piano ... a long time ago.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:18 PM

Come on, I haven't listened, but it's surely not his 'Unfinished' is it?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 23 Dec 06 - 07:18 PM

God, I love this little place. Round on me for everyone who loves Chopin--or doesn't. And for the barman.....Tw

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:15 AM

It was on a 3LP set that my wife had. Like a lot of us we decided to grace the Charity Shop with a load of albums which were stuck in a cupboard. Let that be a lesson to me.
I don't think it was by a well known composer.
Maybe I'll try and get the notes organised better. It is definitely up tempo and sort of gallops along.
Damn, I have a way wwith musical phraseology !
Thank you to all of you and I look forward to enlightenment.
Charlie.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:24 AM

Pip thinks its from a piano concerto - suggests Rachmaninoff

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 06 - 05:29 AM

And Peter says it's sort of the only piece by composer "nobody's" heard of otherwise...

Oh well they have both heard it...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bernard
Date: 28 Dec 06 - 08:31 PM

G O T   I T !!

Scherzo from Concerto Symphonique No. 4

by Henry Litolff (1818-1891)...

Hooray!

PM your email address to me, and I'll send you a MIDI... very frenetic!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 09:05 AM

Congratulations....(It is listed on the midi site I mentioned above...

here it is http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/cgibin/x.cgi/midi/r/litolff.mid

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 03:39 PM

Thanks to Bernard and Bill in particular and everybody else who posted.
Y'know the bloke HENRY LITTOLF !!!!
ATB from Charlie.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 06 - 03:44 PM

Thanks, Bernard. It's been bugging my parents for a couple of days.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 02:05 PM

Forgot to mention... spooky! Litolff's middle name was... CHARLES!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 02:54 PM

Spooky or what ?? His Dad was from Alsace, which is where the Stengers or Stangers lived (before some of them came to Sunderland)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: Bernard
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:00 PM

Oo-er!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: What is this tune, please ?
From: GUEST,ipodnano89
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:42 AM

its mazurka in d major opus 33 number 2