Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons

Subject: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:15 AM

Hello mudcatters
I am trying to purchase ISBN 0 9529857 5 6; Lincolnshire Collections, Volume 1: The Joshua Gibbons Manuscript book of Lincolnshire Tunes, but it is proving very difficult to locate a retail outley with a copy, including Amazon and the Folk Network!
Does anyone know where I could get one from??
Thanks very much in advance
Black Diamond

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Peace
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:23 AM

South Riding Song Book (Book £6.95 Special price for members £6.00) Songs from traditional sources and broadsides, with tunes and notes. Edited by Paul Davenport. ISBN 0 9529857 5 6

Try here.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:34 AM

emmm well a little before Christmas I tried that one, asking if I could purchase the book, and I got no response - I will try again ;-)
BD

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:36 AM

Or try here


A good collection, indeed.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:39 AM

oh Hi Brian this is Lin from your tutorial group.
I did also try Music Room before Christmas, and they didnt have a copy, but I will try again!! Im determined to get one!!!
BD aka Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 10:43 AM

nope Peter the Music Room dont have a copy
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbo
From: bobad
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:04 AM

Is this it?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 11:12 AM

Hi Lin,
Hope the last link gave you better luck. The thing about these specialist tunebooks is that they usually print no more than about 1000, so they go out of print quite quickly and often don't get reprinted. I think this applies to both Jamie Knowles' books and the Joseph Kershaw Collection. You occasionally find the odd one on a stall at a festival.
I have the book if all else fails.

Subject: RE: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: 12string growler
Date: 14 Feb 07 - 03:08 PM

Black Diamond.
I can confirm that "bobad"s blue clicky is what you are after.
I have a copy but certainly don't want to sell it!!

Chris

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 07:34 AM

thanks Bobad I will have a look - ive been too busy so far today but thanks for the help
Maybe if it is out of print, is it ok to copy it -- oops did I say that :-)
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 08:18 PM

Most outlets that used to have copies of the book have now sold out. I don't recall anybody contacting the South Riding Folk Arts Network about it (though if it was in December a message may have gone unnoticed; I was working very long hours), but we don't have any left. Neither, I think, does the Music Room, Hobgoblin and so on, though most still have it listed. We all need to update, evidently. Amazon listings are even less reliable; they tend to show books they have never had but have heard about at some point.

So far as I know, Peter Sumner is now living abroad, and the further books he had planned never appeared. A copy of the book is currently (16 Feb 2007) for sale on ebay (though from an American seller) - see Lincolnshire Collections Volume 1

The following link is to the search routine at Bookfinder.com. It should return any examples of the book available at whatever time you invoke it.

Joshua Gibbons

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:18 AM

Hi Malcolm
thanks for the helpful advice. Im sorry to say that before Christmas when I was hunting for the book, I found it listed on the South Riding Folk website, and when I clicked on the link it threw up a window to email Ron Day. I did this, asking him for a copy, but I never received a reply.
I rang Bobad (see above) and the lady who answered the phone was rathere severe, and asked £20.00 for it, as a collectors item!! well I know the bokk retails at about £13.00 and all I want to do is play the bloomin tunes :-) so I declined
then yippee a friend suggested Hobgoblin, and guess what, their website showed 10 in stock for approx £14.00 so I ordered one quickly!!   so far they havent come back and declined, so Im keeping my fingies and toeses crossed.
thanks for the help everyone
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 06:27 AM

Is there any particular tune you are looking for?

Gerry

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:04 AM

well Congress at Laceby in particular at the moment, as we are currently learning a dance to that tune, but because my Morris side dance and play our local variety of dance tradition to Lincolnshire tunes, such as Louth Quickstep and Market Rase Quickstep I thought it would be nice to have a copy of the book of Joshuas tunes
we dance to the same tradition as Flag and Bone, if you know them at all - we are Rattlejag Morris
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:42 AM

"So far as I know, Peter Sumner is now living abroad"

Indeed he is - tuning grand pianos for major concert orchestras in the US, last I heard!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:15 AM

PM 12 string growler he'll probabally send you a copy of congress its played by Scunthorpe Ploughjags along with Caddam Wood

Gerry

Ps we know Duke's Dandy

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:59 PM

Ps we know Duke's Dandy

Banjo Flower   who is is "we", and yes I know Dukes Dandy too, one of their dancers dances with us, and their musician comes to our new session in Retford. small world isnt it??
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:55 PM

I'm afraid that I'd quite forgotten about that "mailto" link; I thought I had deleted all the "treasurer" ones when we changed servers a few months back and rationalised the email addresses. My fault, then, that your email didn't get to Ron. Glad to hear that Hobgoblin still have a few copies. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few unclaimed "sale or return" copies kicking about out there. Peter himself may well have a box of the things in storage somewhere.

It's an unfortunate fact that some book dealers are a bit greedy, and inclined to ask inflated prices for books they can represent as rare (even if they are not). Equally unfortunately, it is sometimes necessary to grit your teeth and stump up. I still shudder at what I paid for the two-volume Cecil Sharp's Collection of English Folk Songs, though I actually got quite a good deal; sometimes a high price is genuinely justified by the market.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Banjo-Flower
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:50 AM

We is 12 String Growler and myself and we may get to your session when the lighter nights arrive

Gerry

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbo
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:42 AM

PJ music in Suffolk has it listed under Northumbrian Tunes on the following page for £7.95:

"Joshua Gibbons manuscript"

It is a great collection well worth having.

Mary Humphreys

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbo
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:44 AM

correction - wrong county - PJ is in Norfolk! ( but very close to Suffolk.)
And I also notice that he has the Linconshire Collection Vol 1 for £12, which may be the one you are looking for, rather than the joshua gibbons manuscript itself.
Mary

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Black Diamond
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 09:12 AM

the book arrived this morning yippee!!!! three cheers for Hobgoblin - wonderful service,- and the book has proved to be a little treasure trove too, as Im sure most of you know already!!

Gerry - yes please do, its really taking off, more and more people keep coming to play

Malcolm - thats OK, I am webmaster for our site, and my works site, and I know how easy it is to overlook something. I thought it was odd, as Im sure Ron would have replied if he had received it !!! :-)

Mary - thanks for the info
Lin

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Rozza
Date: 14 Feb 12 - 06:48 AM

I transcribed the Joshua Gibbons manuscript for the Village Music Project it is available here:

Joshua Gibbons Manuscript

It's the first time the complete manuscript has been available, in the original keys and sequence.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST,Peter Sumner
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 12:39 AM

Hey Rozza..
I'm thrilled that you've put the time in to get all those tunes out to a bigger audience...
I have a few left from my first printing....and I think Mally still has them available??
I'm a little out of the loop out here in California, but I know several folks have shown an interest in the work since I left the UK in 1998....and what you have done should help get the tunes played even more....
Many thanks
Peter Sumner
Redwood City
California

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Rozza
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:45 AM

Thanks Pete. I'm playing the tunes a lot more recently - especially Market Rasen Quickstep, Quickstep from Louth, Duke of York's Quickstep and Congress at Laceby - great tunes. Do they get played in Ca at all?

Finished another MS recently, the Thomas Sands Ms, which is now on Village Music Project. He may well have lived in Grimsby.
Regards

Ruairidh

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Chris Partington
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 10:38 AM

Hi R.
I've just clicked on the link and it seems we have mislaid tune #1 Got to the Devil etc.
Strange, as I thought I'd already fixed that one. I'll get onto it pronto.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Brian Peters
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 10:50 AM

I hope Pete Sumner is still checking this thread. Hi there, Pete! I'll never forget that drive to Oregon...

Jeff Davis and I were playing 'Miss Twentyman's Delight' and 'Down With the French' onstage at Cheltenham Folk Festival only last weekend!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: johnadams
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 03:25 PM

The link above is now leading to the correct file with the first tune included.

Apologies to Chris Partington because he gave me the corrected file a while back and I hadn't got round to updating it on the site.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: GUEST,Peter Sumner...
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 07:39 PM

Still here Brian....
That trip to Oregon was something...and in an actual Chevy truck....and not a levee in sight....well we maybe crossed one on 5 north of Sacramento!!
So great that you're playing the tunes with Jeff...One of my first musical heroes....and it's time he and I had some more tunes together...now where did I put that mando....???
Please give him my best....I owe him a phone call or three....

Hi also to Mr Adams....and Mr Grieg....keep up all that great work...

Heading to UK and Germany on the 1st March...hope it warms up a bit out there or else I'll have to bring my Brass Monkey Welder.....not good in hand luggage...

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Help: Can anyone locate Joshua Gibbons
From: Rozza
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 05:51 AM

Oh, yes I remember "Go to The Devil" went missing. Glad that it's now in place. There are so many good tunes in Gibbons. I've just played "Miss Twentyman's Delight - great. I've been enjoying 18. "The Unknown Quickstep", and 13. "The Duke of York's Quickstep". And I played 82. "Quickstep from Louth" at the Folk Club in Louth on Tuesday.