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Subject: Tech: Computer , Disc C Nearly Full From: Shaneo Date: 15 Feb 07 - 02:08 PM I'd say that this is a common problem but one I could not find an answer to on computer forums. It's about disc C on my computer , it's almost full [Total space 27.9 free space 2.69] what happens when it's full ? Will my P.C. stop running ? There is lots of space on disc D , Total space 83.8 Free space 80.1. I have been told I could transfer the 'My Documents' folder to Disc D as this would free up space on Disc C ,as most saved items go to the 'My Doc. ' folder. well I have done this but I was left with the 'My Documents' folder on Dis C and a copy of it went to Disc D. There has to be a way to transfer some programmes to disc D to free up space. I have done the disc defragmenter and disc clean up and gained no more free space. Any help please . |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer , Disc C Nearly Full From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Feb 07 - 02:59 PM I had the same problem, Shaneo. My computer had a 15 gigabyte C:\ sector, and 65 on the D:\ sector. One it got down below 2 gigs free, it seemed there was marked slowdown in performance, and it would frequently fill up to the point where I had only 500 megabytes free. I really worked hard to put as much stuff on my D:\ drive as I could, but Windows XP seemed to keep putting things on C:\ - maintaining that hard drive got to be a constant housecleaning task. Yeah, I know, I could have used a Norton program to move the partition, but my D:\ drive wasn't all that big, either. Shaneo, I'm guessing that you have the same general setup I had, but that you haven't used your D:\ drive at all. Perhaps you should go to Control Panel and uninstall some programs (making sure you have the original installation disks), and reinstall them on D:\. Another possibility is to get a program like Norton Partition Magic and move your hard drive partition to make C:\ bigger - since you have lots of room on the D:\ partition. If you don't know computers, you might want to ask a friend to help you the first time you move a partition. I have to admit, I haven't moved a partition myself yet and I'm a bit afraid to. So, what I did was squeak by until Windows Vista came out, and then I used the new operating system and my overfilled hard drive as an excuse to spend a thousand bucks on a new computer with HDTV and 500 gigabytes of hard drive. Moving to a new computer is something akin to moving to a new house, but the job is more-or-less done, and I like Windows Vista and really like Office 2007. And the new computer isn't sluggish like the old one. I corrupted a database and can't use a Quattro Pro spreadsheet and I still don't have the high-definition TV in the computer working, so I have more tinkering to do. But yeah, I think a filled-up hard drive might be an indication it's time for a new computer. A new hard drive isn't all that hard to install, but there are risks and hassles involved. I could have spend four hundred bucks and gotten a computer far better then the one I had, but I decided to spend a thousand and get one that would fit my needs longer. I supposed that's buying into "planned obsolescence," but I've been very happy with the advances in every computer upgrade I've done in my 20 years of using computers. What will happen when your computer is full? Well, I think Windows will do its best to try to stop you from doing that. It was giving me warnings all the time, once I got below one gigabyte. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer , Disc C Nearly Full From: jeffp Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:05 PM If you have never emptied your Recycle Bin, try that first. Right-click on the Recycle Bin icon on your desktop and select Empty Recycle Bin. Then see how much space you have now. Then, if you need more space (and you probably will), do the copy of the My Documents folder or any other folder that is taking up a lot of space (Audio files and video files are the worst offenders. You probably don't want to move any program files.). After you have copied the folder to Disk D, you must delete the contents from Disk C. You do this by selecting them and either pressing the delete key, right-clicking and selecting Delete, or dragging them to the Recycle Bin. Then right-click on the Recycle Bin and empty it. You will then have that space back on your C drive. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: artbrooks Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:15 PM Also, you may have some/many programs that you never use, and you don't even realize that are there...and some of them are real space hogs. Open "Start>My computer>Control Panel>Add or Remove Programs" and see what is there that you don't recognize - but be aware that the "last use on (date)" that you will see when you click on specific programs isn't all that accurate. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Bill D Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:26 PM There is a not often recognized trick also...in 'most' cases, if you hold down 'shift' when you delete something, it bypasses the recycling bin....This is especially useful when deleting a large batch of files at the same time using a file manager. Also, a lot of stuff can build up in certain temporary folders. see this guide, or try You can also get an extra external drive to save stuff to....and no matter what, you should have **SOME** way to backup your comouter in case of a crash. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: 12string growler Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:56 PM Have you ever emptied your "Temporary Internet Files" folder. If not, this is where you will find your biggest gain. Open Internet Explorer 7. If you have the menu's showing, click on TOOLS, then on the pull down menu click INTERNET OPTIONS (new window opens)and then on DELETE in the BROWSING HISTORY section of this new window. Another window opens, then work your way down the various DELETE buttons, or use the DELETE ALL button at the bottom of this window if you don't have any saved passwords. If the menu's don't show in IE7, Right click to the right of the TABs in a clear area of the TAB BAR and click on MENU BAR (puts a tick against it) in the selection box that appears This clearing out proces might take several minutes so don't panic. If you are still on IE6 the process is similar enough to not get lost and will still take a fair old time. (Silver Surfer's memory stops me remembering the detail for IE6) Hope this helps. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Richard Bridge Date: 15 Feb 07 - 04:58 PM Move the default location of "My DOcs" to D. Move the default location of your psts (if you use OUtlook rahter than Outlook Express) to inside My DOcs - that way you jsut back up "My DOcs". |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Feb 07 - 05:54 PM What will happen if the disk gets full isn't necessarily that the computer will stop running; but you won't have any place to put the results of what it does, and it will run very slowly. With the disk size and free space noted, you probably already have a partially crippled machine. 1. The machine needs "temp space" on your hard drive to store parts of the programs it's running, and by default the temp space is always on the same drive where the system program is installed, which is nearly always on C:\. From the size of your drives alone, it would be reasonable to assume you're running Win98 or WinME(?). Both of these normally will only use program temp space that's in a continuous and contiguous single "clump" on your hard drive. They won't jump from one open space to the next if they run out of space. They'll just shuffle program bits around more - which slows things down, sometimes a whole lot. That's one of the reasons why it's VERY IMPORTANT if you don't have a lot of free space on the System Hard Drive (C:\ usually) that you DEFRAGMENT the drive fairly often, so that all the "empty" space is in one, or a few, larger clumps rather than splattered around all over the disk. 2. Defrag requires, usually, that at least 10% of the drive be free space, since it has to have someplace to put the bits while it's shuffling things around to put all the pieces together properly. You may already have reached the point where you CAN'T defrag, unless/until you move some files off the C:\ drive. 3. As has been suggested, emptying your Recycle folder may help some, but generally Windows has a default maximum Recycle bin size that's not really too large, and when the bin gets full the new stuff pushes older stuff out. 4. The "My Documents" folder is the default place where things you save get stuffed. Because Windows assumes it will be on the System Drive, if you remove it from C:\ and make a new one on D:\ you may find that Windows just makes another one on C:\ when it, or some other program, decides to store something in it. There's no real problem with having both a D:\My Documents and a C:\My Documents, except that you may have to look in both to find something that you saved without checking where it was being sent. 5. You can, theoretically at least, tell Windows that "My Documents" is located on another drive, but other programs may assume that it's on C:\ until you've told each of them about the new location. For this reason, it may be safer to leave C:\My Documents there, and just move all the files that were in it to a new D:\My Documents folder, until you're fairly sure that all your programs got the message. 6. Assuming that you have one or more Microsoft Office Programs, the setting for ALL Office programs generally is in Word. If you set a place to store documents in Word, all other Office programs usually will "inherit" the same location for their files. (In Word, Tools | Options, File Locations Tab.) Other programs, especially non-Microsoft ones, may need to be adjusted individually. 7. You indicated that you "moved" My Documents to D:\ but still have a My Documents on C:\. This implies that you may have Copied the folder rather than moving it. If you're sure that everything got copied, you could just delete everything in the C:\My Documents folder. A safer method would be: a. In Windows Explorer, click on C:\My Documents in the left panel. b. Click anywhere in the right panel and "Edit | Select All." (or Ctl-A) c. Edit | Cut (or Ctl-X) d. Go to the D:\ drive and click on D:\My Documents in the left panel. e. Edit | Paste (or Ctl-V) If a file is already in the D:\My Documents folder, you'll get a popup that asks if you want to replace it. Since the one you've selected is the same file as the one already copied, you can say "Yes to All" and Win Explorer will copy them all again but will DELETE each one from C:\My Documents as it's pasted into D:\My Documents. The "insurance factor" is that any file in C:\My Documents that wasn't already in D:\My Documents will also be copied, and you should end up with everything in D:\My Documents and an empty C:\My Documents. 8. Once you've made some space on C:\, you should go to Start | Programs | Accessories | System Tools and run Disk Cleanup followed by Defragment. Disk Cleanup (it used to be called ChkDsk?) should get rid of trash and temp files. If there's an option, you should let it "automatically fix errors." Defrag is needed as indicated at item 1. 9. If you decide to move anything other than "data files" to D:\, you really should uninstall programs and then reinstall them to the new location. Use Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs to uninstall any that are listed there, and look for an "uninstall" or "remove" file in the program folder for removing any others. There are some utility programs that claim to be able to move files without going through the uninstall/reinstall routine, and sometimes they work, but of course if you're already short on disk space installing another program may not be your best move, unless you really feel it's necessary. 'nuff for now? John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Feb 07 - 06:18 PM "You indicated that you "moved" My Documents to D:\ but still have a My Documents on C:\." Moving My Documents. In Win98 use TweakUI - you have to have downloaded and installed it - it wasn't a standard thing - dunno where you will find it now. The My Computer Tab allows you to twiddle where things like My Documents will be seen by the system - Tweak UI allowed you to twiddle these things without using Registry Hacks. I moved several things, including my Desktop to other drives. "Disk Cleanup (it used to be called ChkDsk?) " Sorry, 2 different things. CHKDSK fixes any lost clusters, etc. It SHOULD be run before attempting to run DEFRAG. You can put the TEMP DIR on another drive by putting in the AUTOEXEC.BAT file SET Path="X:\TEMP";%Path% where X is the desired drive otherwise it likes to live in C:\WIN\TEMP or thereabouts, somewhere you never think to look to clean it out. Many things leave heaps of crap there - they are SUPPOSED to be deleted, but often never are. You can break very little by emptying it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 15 Feb 07 - 07:04 PM Of possible interest to people still working with older Windows versions: DEW Associates An accidental encounter while searching for something else found these guys. They claim to be computer builders and consultants, but don't seem to have heard of anything after Win2000. They still have very clear instructions on how to install Win95 in their Knowledge Center, along with some apparently thorough indexes to Microsoft KB articles on some of the exotics of Win98SE and Win2K - much easier than searching them out for yourself at the KB, if it's what you need. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:32 AM I simply burn most of my audio, picture and document files onto CDs, then delete them from the hard drive. I downloaded a freebie program called Visual CD that enables me to index the CDs that I burn, so if I'm looking for anything I need only search the index to find which of my 50-odd CDs it is stored on. This method has the added advantage that I can take the CDs anywhere. At the last count I think I had 19,000 files on CDs. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Shaneo Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:47 AM I have tried a few of the ideas posted and have gained a small amount of disc space. I think it may be the amount of songs I have on Windows Media Player and Itunes,1000s The music files seem to take up a lot of valuable space, Time for a big clean out I think. With the disc D being much bigger than disc C why the hell does everything get thrown into disc C by default. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:52 AM Because you didn't tell it to do something different. Have you considered dragging and dropping from C: to D: using Windows Explorer? START -> Accessories -> Windows Explorer. While you're at it, right click the Win Explorer line and do a "send to" your desktop where you have it handy to use regularly. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Shaneo Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:58 AM SRS , how will sending windows explorer to the desktop gain more space for me ? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Nick Date: 16 Feb 07 - 12:37 PM Have you thought of an external extra drive. I bought a 320GB USB external hard drive for £80 recently - storage is relatively cheap these days |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 16 Feb 07 - 12:46 PM I second the external hard drive suggestion. I bought a (?) Western Digital external hard drive from Amazon (you can suss them out on their website & see the customer feedback, which has been positive). You'd be able to offload your C-drive contents onto it, and then start filling it up all over again again! Burning onto CD-ROM as a additional method of backup/storage is a good idea too, and is easy & cheap. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 07 - 12:51 PM Sending it to the desktop makes it available to easily use. That was an aside to the directions to find the program. Have you used it? You can drag folders and all of those files into the D: drive with it. External hard drives are inexpensive these days, but why get one when you have 80 gig free on D:? SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: artbrooks Date: 16 Feb 07 - 01:37 PM The utility of an external drive depends a lot on the capacity of the PC. Dell tells me that my circa 2002 computer has a maximum capacity of 100 gig on all hard drives, internal and external. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: IvanB Date: 16 Feb 07 - 01:48 PM To move files in WinXP and, if I remember correctly, in Win98 (I don't remember as far back as Win95), you can open two Explorer windows on the screen, one with the source directory and the other with the destination. Then right click on the selected files and drag them to the destination window. A dialogue box will open asking you what you want to do "Copy here," "Move here" or "Create shortcut here." Select "move" and the system will copy the files to the destination and delete them from the source. The destination disk must be a hard drive for this to work. If the destination is a removable drive Windows defaults to a copy operation. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:58 PM "With the disc D being much bigger than disc C why the hell does everything get thrown into disc C by default. " "Because you didn't tell it to do something different. " That's what my post of 15 Feb 07 - 06:18 PM was about After you have told Windoze to look elsewhere, - from memory, it's been a while since I needed to do it (and I'm talking about the PC!) you need to move the files from the old dir to the new dir as well. It all seems a bit messy, but once you have moved things, it works ok. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 16 Feb 07 - 05:03 PM PS If a file is open you can't move it - you will need to copy it, then when you have rebooted, you can delete it from the old place. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 16 Feb 07 - 05:55 PM How is the external hard drive connected to the PC? I'd like to get one, but my USB port is not working, so if it's connected over the USB I wouldn't be able to use it. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Feb 07 - 06:03 PM I was left with the 'My Documents' folder on Disc C and a copy of it went to Disc D. So the stuff you want is safe on Disc D, and you don't need the original any more - you just delete the contents of My Documents on Disc C, and you have that space to play with. (And to avoid confusion you can always change the name of My Documents on DiscD to something else "Old Documents" or something. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 16 Feb 07 - 06:05 PM artbrooks - I'm a bit puzzled by a limit on total hard drive space. Never heard of such an animal. Various Windows versions have different limits on the maximum size of a single hard drive, and on the maximum size of a partition on a hard drive, but since DOS 3.1 days (ca. 25 years ago?) I've never heard of a PC that couldn't find 26 "drives" and each one is independent so far as the operating system knows. Assuming that you're using IDE (or EIDE) drives, you can't install more than one IDE controller at a time in a computer (without exceptional effort) and the controller is limited to 4 "devices." Using USB external drives, the only limit should be the number of USB channels, and you can cascade USB port switches (hubs) almost indefinitely, subject to the 26 drive limit. Does your computer have a model number? general: Older Windows versions and the drives available when they came out had limits on maximum partition sizes that did require partitioning of the larger hard drives that were available then. Newer drives, and patches to the OSs have expanded the limits somewhat, but with an obsolete OS you may need to partition. With WinXP the partition/drive limit is 32 TB, so it's unlikely anyone is really going to need to break a drive up into many partitions. UNLESS you are using multi-boot to more than one OS, there is NO REASON that you have to partition a hard drive if you're running WinXP and if you use FAT32 or NTFS format on the drive(s). You can isolate your documents and other "produced" files just by making a folder to put them in, and you'll generally get better performance out of the machine if you don't partition the drive. Once you go past 160GB or so, you may find that some maintenance tasks like defrag etc take a rather long time, and if you want to partition to do the tasks incrementally on one "drive" (partition) at a time, there's no real harm in it. and: Some suggestions that might help our John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:48 PM Gulliver, The external drives use the USB2 or the firewire. If your USB isn't working or you want to add more or firewire, you can get cards to add to the back and probably can get replacements for the ones that don't work, depending on where they're placed. You need to look at the insides to see they're connected properly first before you pronounce them dead. I have a little device that turns one USB into four, and it plugs in to give it more power. You'll find all sorts of options if you visit a computer electronic store. Don't be afraid to get under the hood to modify the computer (but don't do it on a dry day with static electricity on your hands). SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Shaneo Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:07 AM Thanks for all the help , I use Windows XP , I have moved some files to disc D but the files were still on disc C , so when I delete a file from disc C it also gets deleted from disc D. It would seem I need to be spoon-fed the information for transferring files/programmes. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Feb 07 - 07:15 AM "so when I delete a file from disc C it also gets deleted from disc D." ooooo, that shouldn't happen... but I don't know XP... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: artbrooks Date: 17 Feb 07 - 09:02 AM John, it is a Dell Dimension 4300, running XP over ME. Dell is now (as of 5 minutes ago) saying that each drive is limited to 100GB. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Feb 07 - 11:09 AM artbrooks - I'll have to look some stuff up, but the quick question is whether it's a desktop or laptop. If it's a laptop, the internal space may not have allowed for a larger drive when it was built, and they may have Updating the BIOS is a fairly major step, and it must be done exactly according to instructions, but it's not really all that difficult IF there's an update available. I have an old Dell Latitude laptop with a 30GB plug-in HD, and I can't get a much larger plug-in (internal) HD from Dell, but it has no problem with my several 160GB USB External drives. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Feb 07 - 12:29 PM Shaneo - What you're describing is not a WinXP behaviour that people see normally. The only way I can see it happening is if you used the "File | Send To" command. There are several places to get to it; but the effect of the "Send To" is that it doesn't make a copy of the file at the destination, it just puts a shortcut there that points back to the original file at its original location. If you delete the original file, the shortcut doesn't work anymore, and a cleanup may delete the shortcut. A shortcut is a small file that says only where a "real" file is. When you click (or double-click depending on your setup) on the shortcut, it tells the computer where the real file is located, and the computer opens it from the original location. I haven't noticed that the shortcut gets deleted automatically if the target (real) file is deleted, but that might happen in some cases. Deleting the shortcut DOES NOT delete the real file. WinXP gives you multiple ways of doing lots of things. To be sure that you see the same thing seen by the person(s) offering advice, it is essential that you use the same method another person is talking about: 1. I'll assume that you have a printer. For long instructions it's a good idea to print the instructions so you can have them in front of you if you lose track of where they are on your computer. From a mudcat web page, you should be able to click and drag over a single post, and "print selection" directly from the web page to get only what you want printed. 2. I suggest that you use Windows Explorer to move your files. Until you get the file moving done, you'll be using it quite a lot, so you need an easy way to get it open. 2a. Either close or minimize anything that's open so that you have a clear view of your desktop. 2b. Click Start, Programs, Accessories, and look for Windows Explorer. WinXP likes to collapse menus and show only what you've used recently, so you may have to click on a "double chevron" or two to expand menus as you go. (like >> except usually pointing up or down). 2b. When you find Windows Explorer, RIGHT-CLICK on it, and on the menu that opens up click "Send to Desktop." This will put a shortcut on your desktop that you can click to open Windows Explorer whenever you need to. Click anywhere on the screen outside the expanded Start menus to close them and show the desktop. You'll probably see an icon that looks like a "file folder" on your desktop, with a label that says "shortcut to Windows Explorer. 2c. Desktop icons can get dragged around and reshuffled, so once you have identified the Win Explorer icon, I'd suggest that you right-click anywhere on the desktop that isn't an icon and click on "Sort Icons" and "by Name" to get everything lined up. Figure out where the Win Explorer icon goes so you'll be able to find when you need it. 3. Windows, and especially WinXP, offers multiple different layouts in Win Explorer, and having a different layout than the one who's giving instructions can result in confusion. I strongly suggest: 3a. Click, or double-click on the Win Explorer Icon to open Win Explorer. 3b. On the top bar you should see "Tools." Click "Tools" and then "Folder Options." 3c. Click on the "General" tab, if it doesn't open there, and click to put a "bullet" in the circle by "Use Windows Classic folders." 3d. Also on the "General" tab, at the bottom, click to put a bullet at "double-click to open an item (single click to select). 3e. Click on the button at the bottom marked "Apply." 3f. Click on the "View" tab. You should get a list of items with "checkboxes." Most of the first few will likely have checks in them. You need to make sure that there IS a check by "show hidden files and folders," and that there IS NOT a check by "hide extensions for known file types." 3g. Click the button at the top of the View tab that says "Apply to All Folders" and then click "OK" to close the tools menu. 4. You can use the separate "View" selection on the top tool bar to change what you see in Win Explorer. 4a. Click "View" and Click "Status Bar" so that it will show. 4b. You may have to click View again, to click at show "Details." 4c. You may have to click View again, then click on "Choose Details." You want check marks in the boxes for Name, Size, Type, and Date Modified. You can change any of the above settings later to suite you own preferences; but if you set as indicated, we'll have a reasonable idea of what you're seeing when instructions are offered. If all went well, your Wind Explorer should show a panel on the left with a "Folders" label, and a panel on the right that shows what's in the folder that is highlighted on the left. The "My Documents" place on your computer has some peculiar features, mostly undocumented. I would suggest that you move all your "extra" files to a folder with a different name on your D:\ drive. Click on the D:\ drive in the left panel of Win Explorer. Click, at the top tool bar, on File, then New, then Folder. A new folder should open with a "box" arround it that indicates that you can type a name for the new folder. I would suggest typing something like "My New Documents" of "My D Documents" just to avoid duplicating the "My Documents" name. The "folder name" will close the "editable" status when you hit Enter or when you click anywhere else. If you didn't get it right, in the Left pane you can right click and select "Rename." In the Right pane, you can click on it once, and then when you click again it will "open for renaming." (Just don't click so fast the computer mistakes it for a "double-click.") Once your folder is in place on D: 1. Click on "My Documents" in the LEFT panel in Win Explorer. 2. Select the files you want to move in the RIGHT panel. 3. On the top tool bar, click on EDIT and then either COPY or CUT. 4. Click on the new folder where you want to put the files IN THE LEFT PANEL in Win Explorer, then click EDIT, PASTE. "Control-C" does the same thing as clicking Edit - Copy. "Control-X" does the same thing as clicking Edit - Cut. "Control-V" does the same thing as clicking Edit - Paste. If you Copy the files, the originals will remain where they are, and when you past you'll have a second copy of the files at the new location. If you don't want both copies, you can go back and select the files again in the original location and Delete them. Some people feel that Copy followed by Delete is "safer" than "Cut and Paste," although I've found either to be reliable if you follow the rules. If you CUT the original files, as soon as each file is Pasted in the new location, the original file in the old location is deleted. If the Paste doesn't work, the original will be left where it was. Let us know if you get the Copy/Cut/Paste routine figured out, and we may be able to help with some changes that will make new files go to your D:\ location automatically. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Feb 07 - 01:41 PM Artbrooks - Dell doesn't give a lot of details, but the short verdict is that your Dell 4300 is really marginal to be running WinXP. Max RAM at 512MB is marginal but in spec. I'm not sure the processor speed is really "in spec," although it should limp along okay. Dell does give a motherboard identification, but the chipset identification is "generic" and they don't indicate what BIOS chip is used. The 512 MB max memory probably indicates a BIOS without the augmented Int13H/Int21H capabilities needed for larger internal (EIDE) drives. If you wanted to open up and look for the BIOS to get an exact identification, there might be a BIOS update, but the low RAM limit implies a "reelly cheep chip." While you might be able to replace the BIOS chip with a better compatible one, that's akin to building a new machine; and it's almost certainly not worth it given the other specs on the machine. They do indicate that you've got USB connectors, but don't give any info on the internals for them. They almost certainly are USB-1, which will work okay with a USB-2 device plugged in, but will be rather slow. USB devices get power through the USB connector, and an external HD might draw enough to interfere with other USB devices on the same hub, if you have any connected. You could handle that with an external hub with its own power transformer if it's applicable (~$20? extra). WinXP should take care of the hub setup automagically via plug-n-play. The machine has 4 PCI slots where you could plug in a USB-2 adapter card, but the "default" configuration shows them all used by original equipment devices. If you happened to "not get" one of the devices, you might have an open slot, but I'd doubt there is one available. You should be able to use a larger EXTERNAL USB drive, since the interface built into the drive translates everything to something the computer can read. All the computer sees is "USB bits" going in and out. Without more detail on the built-in USB it's hard to guarantee anything, but if any USB devices work, a USB hard drive should, although in this case maybe s..l..o..w..l..y. because of the USB-1 port. Worst case, if all else fails, you could find a friend with a more capable computer to partition a larger USB EXTERNAL drive into 100GB slices that your machine would see as several separate drives when you plug it back into your machine, although I don't think that would be necessary. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Bernard Date: 17 Feb 07 - 02:47 PM Shaneo (and JiK), it's possible that you've (inadvertently?) set up the D drive folder to synchronise with the C drive folder. That is normally only done on a server-based network for offline use... do the folders and files have funny looking twirly arrows on the icons? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 17 Feb 07 - 04:20 PM Creating mirror sets and/or striped sets requires using Computer Management snap-ins that aren't normally installed by/for most WinXP users - and can be difficult to get installed and working. It's hard to see how it could be done by accident, but most anything's possible I suppose. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:11 PM oooooooo JohnInKansas I DO like it when you get all pedantic.... :-) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Bernard Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:27 PM As Murray Walker (used to be a motor racing commentator on British TV, infamous for his gaffes) once said... 'Anything can happen, and most probably will!'... He also said (nothing to do with this thread, but hey!) 'the car he is driving is unique. Except, of course for that of his team mate, which is completely identical...!' And the all-time classic...'Unless I'm very much mistaken...and I am very much mistaken'!! Do a google for murray walker gaffes... they're hilarious - and all on tape somewhere!! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Feb 07 - 08:57 PM If I were Shaneo I'd be terrified by all this helpful stuff. The thing is - it may look dead complicated written out like that, but it's actually pretty straightforward. One way to make life simpler would be to invest in an external hard drive - you could get one to hold 40 gigabytes for about £50. Then you can copy stuff onto that, and detach the drive from the computer. That way you know when you delete stuff on Drive C there is no way the stuff on the detached hard drive can be affected. Then you could copy that back onto Drive D if you wanted, into a folder you'd call "Old Documents" or something like that. But I would think that you could just change the name of the file on Drive D from MY Documents to something else, and that would stop the problem you mention. If for some reason that didn't work you could just copy everything in My Documents on Drive D into another folder on Drive D. Then if the PC deleted My Documents contents on Drive D at the same time as on Drive C that wouldn't matter, because the copy would be safe in the other folder you've made for it on Drive D. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: GUEST,ashok,tezpur,india Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:45 AM how can I copy offline web pages to browse later in another computer which is not having an internet connection |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Darowyn Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:53 AM I'm using Firefox here, but if you scroll up the the file menu, most browsers have a "save as a web page" command. Save it to a USB stick then put it into the other computer. The unfortunate thing is that, with most web pages, it won't work properly. The page you see contains items from several web addresses. You will find that the saved copy contains the addresses but not the contents. It's probably easier to print the page (or the bits you want to read afterwards) and read it on paper. Cheers Dave |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:01 AM In Internet Explorer, you have a choice of "Save as Web Page" or "Save as Archive." (Use the "Page" button on the IE7 toolbar, click "Save As" and then choose the format you want in the "Save as type" box.) If you save as a web page (.htm) a page that has linked-in bits may be a file plus a folder for the linked stuff. It's easy to "break" the set when you try to move them from one machine - or even one drive - to another, and you can't easily rename the file to keep things sorted. If you save as an "archive file" (.mht) it's all one file that can be moved around easily and can be renamed to anything you want. Either form will open in your browser, whether you're off line or connected. Other browsers should have much the same options, but I don't use anything except IE regularly. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: GUEST,Jon Date: 18 Apr 08 - 06:10 AM Not quite what's asked for, I think, but wget is very handy for downloading web pages. Apparently it will run on Windows. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 18 Apr 08 - 10:41 AM Just to complete the information about Firefox: when you select Save Page As, you can choose to save as HTML only (which saves only the text portion of the page) or Web Page Complete (which saves the images, graphics, etc., as well as the text). This is similar to Explorer. Personally, I would never print out web pages. Just one question to Firefox users: When I save a web page, for example, this thread, in Explorer, it displays the file name, which is the Title of the page, as defined in the (title) tag, and I only have to click on the Save button. Firefox doesn't display the Title, it displays "thread.cfm.htm", which I've then got to manually change to "Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full" or whichever name I want to give it. How can I make Firefox behave like Explorer, and use what's in the (title) tag as the default file name to be saved? Don |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 18 Apr 08 - 02:17 PM I almost never use "Save" for anything from the web, since that puts the file "wherever" - usually in the folder where I made the last save, which may be completely wrong for the new article. Using "Save As" should show you the filename that will be used and the location where it's going to land. If you see a useless title, with Save As you have the opportunity to type (or paste) something else before you click to do the save. Some programs will let you access the page after you've opened a Save As dialog, where you can highlight, Ctl-C, and Ctl-V to paste the thread name in the Save As box. Other programs may use a different kind of box that "locks you in" so that you'd have to copy the title before you click on the Save As button. Even with IE, some sites (who should know better) use the same default file name for anything you copy/download from the site. (The "Save Target As" for .pdf files seems especially prone to this.) This seems to happen quite regularly on sites that use JScript "calls," but I haven't bothered to probe all the possible causes. Another reason for consistently using "Save As" rather than just "Save" is that IE fairly frequently "defaults" the file type for the save back to .htm, and I much prefer having everything in the .mht (Save as Archive Single File Web Page) since that format is much more stable on your machine. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 18 Apr 08 - 09:31 PM I'm not sure that you understood my question. Where is the Save command in IE or Firefox? I'm only familiar with a Save As or Save Page As. And if you use Ctrl/S it will default to Save As. The point I'm trying to make is that IE will automatically display, as File Name in the Save As box, what's in the (title)(/title) tag so all you have to do is click on Save and you've saved it with an understandable name, which also happens to be the name that is displayed in the Mudcat TOC (which is what I want). I've been happily using this method for years in IE for saving thousands of web pages, and web-site rippers that I've used have similar behaviour. This method falls down, of course, if the web-page developer has neglected to place anything in the (title)(/title) tag, but in my experience this is a tiny percentage. Now, why does Firefox break with tradition and display, for example, "thread.cfm.htm" in every Save As box for Mudcat pages? Though I'm a fast typist, having to continually type in a new file name when I'm saving dozens of files is a bit of a drag. I'm a newbie to Firefox, but I'm sure there must be some way of changing this. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Apr 08 - 11:39 PM Gulliver There are several extensions for FireFox which allow the 'expected normal' save as action. One is 'TitleSave', but there are several. You only need one of them. Click on Tools - Extensions, then you will see 'Get more extensions' - search to your heart's content! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 19 Apr 08 - 12:09 AM Thanks! Will try that out... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 19 Apr 08 - 05:02 AM Tok me ages to work that out - and nobody I asked could tell m |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: JohnInKansas Date: 19 Apr 08 - 06:28 AM Where is the Save command in IE or Firefox? I can't speak to Firefox, but in IE the "File" button has both "Save" and "Save As" on the dropdown list. On web pages, the "Save" usually is "grayed out" and unusable - something to do with "you're not the creator so you don't have edit rights," or something of the sort. The difficulty is that for IE7, by default the "Menu Bar" where you used to find "File" is turned off. You have to go to the "tools cockleburr" at the right end of the main bar to turn on the toolbar (put a check at "Menu bar") to get the standard File Edit View etc buttons. In IE7 you can also click on the "Page" button, next to the "Tools," and the dropdown has "Save As" on it, although "Save" doesn't appear there. I find the "Save As" very much preferable to the straight "Save," since I always want to put the saved item in the right place in the 7,587 folders on my "scratch disk" where I keep notes on my web browsing. Since web pages come in a few different formats, Save As also lets me confirm that I'm going to get a stable .mht file and not a bucketful of files and folders with corruptible links. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 19 Apr 08 - 09:31 AM Thanks John and Foolstroupe for the feedback. I'm going to stick with Firefox for the forseeable future. I think I'll download some information on it to my laptop and take it with me to peruse when I go on my holidays to the (hopefully) sunny south of Italy next week. Don |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Bill D Date: 19 Apr 08 - 10:21 AM One of the most amazing *FREE* programs for PC is WinHTTrack. It will get a website to almost any degree of completeness you wish. If you use it be SURE you set parameters correctly and have enough space. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Computer, Disc C Nearly Full From: Gulliver Date: 19 Apr 08 - 09:02 PM My application of choice for the past few years for downloading web sites is Webreaper, but just as you recommend for WinHTTrack, parameters have to be set correctly, otherwise it tries to download the entire web (which would mean I'd have to get a bigger computer!). Don |
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