Subject: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: rob d. Date: 24 Mar 99 - 07:08 PM I've been collecting choice Kippers for quite some time, and maybe I'm relatively alone (witness the repeated and unanswered requests for Rustical Farmer), but I don't despair. I have already pulled out what the DigiTrad has to offer, and have transcribed many of my own, and now I hope to work towards completing the set. To whit, I give you my list: Lyrics I don't have yet and would like to get are marked with a * Sorry, I don't have Rusty Cold Farmer yet. Fresh Yesterday Kipper Family, The. 1997? Fresh Yesterday. DAMCD 020. Uncle Tom Cobbley Can't Come Big Musgrave (Matty Groves) The Seven Deadly Sins Bored of the Dance Yes, Sir, Yes (No, John, No) *The Old Irishman One Drunken Maiden My Grandfather's Cock The Bloke Who Come Home Broke From Cromer Bingo Since Time Immoral. Dambuster, LP DAM 005. 1985? Not Sixteen Til Sunday The Male Female Highwayman The Unlaid Maid The Cricket Match All On the Shore - The Body Hollow Ground (Shallow Ground) Dido Fido *The Village P.I.M.P. *Poor Old Cow *To Be a Pharmacist (A Farmer's Boy) Adieu You Pretty Nancy A Lightweight Dirge (A Lykewake Dirge)
In the Family Way
Arrest These Merry Gentlemen( list is incomplete)
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE WILD MOUNTING TIME, etc. (Kipper Fam) From: AndyG Date: 25 Mar 99 - 05:23 AM The Wild Mounting Time
The Pharmacist
The sun had set behind the hill across the dreary moor,
My fathers dead, my mother too, and I'm not too well myself,
The doctors wife said, Cure the lad, he seems so pale and sick.
The man that was a boy is now assistant in the shop,
So that was not surprising when the poor old couple died,
The Twenty Pound Frog
The Stick of Rhubarb
Words:Kipper Family The Kipper Family are Dick Nudds & Chris Sugden. AndyG |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: rob d. Date: 25 Mar 99 - 12:50 PM Oh, you are a prince among men, Andy. This list of the needy shrinks. I've also added Walsingham Matilda, so the remaining "Wanted" list is shrinking. Andy, by the way, where do the Frog and Rhubarb songs come from. Is that this "Rhinestone" album, or is there yet another that I don't know about? Thanks much, and anybody else, feel free to add to the list, and when tis as complete as I can make it, feel free to request copies. rob d.
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Subject: Lyr Add: BALD GENERAL COOTE etc (Kipper Family) From: Bev and Jerry Date: 25 Mar 99 - 05:05 PM BALD GENERAL COOTE
Bald General Coote that is my name
CHO: I led my men with Courage bold
I sank them with Nelson as the rounds they flew
I drank at the bottle of Waterloo
I fought for my country all at the Crimea
I was there when Lady Smith was relieved
But now my campaigs are all over I fear
I'm a rusty, cold farmer in a cottage well thatched
CHO: I brew home brewed bread and I brew home brewed cheese
At four in the morning I rise from my bed
On Monday and Tuesday I take life quite slow
In Spring that's too wet to go on the land
There's April, there's May, there's June and July
Now harvest time is here, my boys, so raise a bumper do
CHO: So drink, boys, drink, that is the master's brew
We stagger to the harvest field for to begin our labours
And at the hour of ten o'clock our progress is cut short
When harvest time is over, boys, it's to the pub we'll steer
Now we will have a holiday before our work's resumption
They let her lie for a very long time
They hired men with hands so strong
They rolled her along and along the road
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Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Bev and Jerry Date: 25 Mar 99 - 05:10 PM Sorry, we still can't quite get the hang of Java. What appears to be the second verse to each song is actually the chorus. How do we get the return at the end of each line of the song? It looked properly formatted when we sent it. Help!
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Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Jo Taylor Date: 25 Mar 99 - 09:17 PM HAHAHAHAHA. Really enjoyed that. Saw them years ago. Bev & Jerry - not Java, HTML. For the end of a line just put a 'less than' sign (it's above the comma) then the letters br then a 'greater than' sign (above the full stop)- that is if you live in a part of the world with the same keyboard as me! I can't write it so you can see it, because it won't show...Have you got a view menu, and 'source' beneath it? Press that and see what's here: - 3 of 'em! Jo |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Bev and Jerry Date: 26 Mar 99 - 01:17 AM Thanks Jo. That really helped. Viewing the html codes was an education. Maybe we can do better next time we post lyrics. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: AndyG Date: 26 Mar 99 - 05:41 AM Rob, I'm pretty sure they must be from Rhinestone Ploughboy as they're not on the track lists above and I've definately transcribed them from CD. AndyG |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Steve Parkes Date: 26 Mar 99 - 08:08 AM Bev & Jerry: have a look at this thread for tons of HTML stuff. Bookmark as I have - it's very handy. Steve |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Bev and Jerry Date: 26 Mar 99 - 01:33 PM Thanks Steve.
Actually, we did a forum search on "html" last night and discovered this thread. Now we know all there is to know about html!!!! Well, maybe not all there is to know but we know more than we wanted to!!! |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: rob d. Date: 26 Mar 99 - 05:57 PM Well, response has been wonderful, and with a couple more I've added, the only ones left ungathered are *The Old Irishman *Probably Not *We Did It Sideways *Fowl Jimmy *Yarmouth Races *Are You Dry? *Cheap Day Return to Hemsby *The Punnet of Strawberries *The Trousers In Between Thanks everybody. I'll keep collecting for another week or so, and then, if anybody wants the whole kaboodle, let me know. Also, will the powers that be want to put them into DT? Lastly, does anybody have a track list for Rhinestone? Thanks again, you all are wonderful people. rob d. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Martin _Ryan Date: 30 Mar 99 - 11:14 AM Great stuff! Two questions: <[> Anyone got the original on which the Twenty pound Frog is based? I put out a request for it a while back. Even the bloody original sounds like a parody!
At recent (brilliant) festival in Donegal, I heard some guys singing ".. and the sharks they played melodeons...at the bottom of the bay!" Anyone know if there's a full version with these lines? Regards |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Alan B Date: 31 Mar 99 - 07:33 AM Can't see them in your list, but I have on tape some Kipper Family songs: Away day ( Gaude TE) The dodo Kippers & Bloaters (Alive, alive o) Sailor, sailor, won't you marry me? Do you want? Alan B |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: rob d Date: 31 Mar 99 - 05:22 PM Yes, John (Alan), yes John, a thousand times yes! Yes, Alan, I will gladly collect any and all. Sure if somebody's got the libretto from the Crab Wars all nicely scanned in, I'd take that too. Let's get as many choice Kippers together as we can. Does anybody have a track list for Rhinestone Ploughboy? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: AndyG Date: 01 Apr 99 - 03:54 AM Off the top of my head, these three tracks are all I can remember from Rhinestone Ploughboy: Cold Waily Windy Knight Jack Onions Folk Roots 66
I'll check up tonight if I can.
AndyG |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE DODO (Sid Kipper) From: Alan B Date: 01 Apr 99 - 04:13 PM The dodo in the morning she fall from her nest If she could she would surely have flowed o She returns in the evening to take her sweet rest Though how she ascends I am blowed o In far off Mauritius the dodo do dwell Half way to the far Antipodo And if we would serve her then this I would tell It should not be par boiled a la mode o For if the good creature is but to keep going Our slogan must be "Stop the bloody Dodo'ing" How many roads must a Dodo walk down Before you can call her a dodo And how many seas must a white dodo sail Before she can sleep in the road o Ripe fruit and berries, and nuts that are nice In the bird's stomach are stowed o Be grateful, good people, the Dodo don't fly For t'would danger you when she unload o And if you should ask, on what she has dined, the answer my friend will be blowing in the wind And so on my tunic this message I spell: God save the king and the Dodo as well. This was from a series of programmes about birds in folk music which Sid did of Radio 2 about three years ago I'll try to send you the tune if you wish, but I've no idea how to make midi tunes - any ideas? I seem to have mislaid the tape with the others on - I'll get it onto the forum as soon as I can Alan B Following Jo Taylor's tip, with any luck the layout will be OK - thanks Jo |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: George Henderson Date: 02 Apr 99 - 10:28 AM How come I didn't hear that one Martin?? George Henderson |
Subject: Lyr Add: ALIVE ALIVE O - AWAY DAY etc (Kipper Fam) From: Alan B Date: 05 Apr 99 - 02:25 PM Found them! After much searching, here are the other Kipper Family renditions I have. I think they were recorded at Sidmouth (where else?) not long before the sad departure of Henry Kipper. Until I cam to transcribe them I did not realise it, but I think the first verse of Alive Alive O is missing. Can anyone complete? I also seem to remember they introduced the set (courtesy of Folk on two) by describing their recent visit to Hong Kong, where they were introduced to the audience with their name translated into Chinese - The Smoked Fish Dynasty! As I enjoy them I have written approximately verbatim the preamble to each song. If it works you'll also be able to discover who said/sang what. Also as another contributor has said, the tune are the ones we know from the tradition, only slightly mangled to fit! Both - black Sid - blue Henry - red Enjoy Alan B
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Alive Alive O 1 She rambles the lanes With cures for chilblains With plasters for corns And drivers for piles She'll sell you a spanner Or tune your pianner Put lead in your pencil, and sing all the while: Chorus Alive Alive o Alive Alive o Singing Kippers & bloaters Alive Alive Oh 2 Although I did court her, Beseeched & besought her That all come to naught for she never replied But them oh what folly, she fell off her trolley And as she lay dying, these last words she sighed:
3 Now she has departed, this girl so stout hearted But Each night in Mundesley they say without fail Her ghost wheels her trolley, with a cry melancholy Singing kippers & bloaters, A closing down sale
Down sale theyer! Applause Sailor, sailor, won't you marry me? I tell you what we're gonna do now, a song about a sailor. Any sailors in tonight? (silence) That's alright then, we'll be alright with this one You know about sailors, that they spend a lot of time going to sea. Well, of course they spent more time on the old days, with the sails & that, that was a lot slower That right so after these sailors had been at sea for munce & munce, wi no alcohol, and no women, what did they do when they got back (pause). What did they do when they got back on shore, they went straight in the nearest pub. They used to drink themselves silly. And when they was silly enough they used to go off and find themselves a woman, and that's what this song's all about: Tell them about the chorus Oh yes, its got a bit of a chorus, rather an unusual chorus cos, instead of coming after the verse, it come before the verse Its more difficult that way, cos, if it come after the verse you know that, when the verse come to and end, that's when the chorus start. But with this one you have to work out when the verse is going to start, so you can do the chorus It a simple chorus, it go "Oh" It start with the chorus, so I'll start you. I'll count you in: One, two, one two three : Oh Sailor, sailor, will you marry me, with you smile so sunny Jim Oh no nice girl I cannot marry you, for I have no teeth to put in So off she went, to her grandfather's glass, and fished out some teeth , of the very highest class And the sailor put them in Oh Sailor, sailor, will you marry me, with your rambling, rolling gait Oh no nice girl I cannot marry you, for I'm one leg short of a set So off she went, to her grandfather's table, and cut off a leg that was very, very stable And the sailor screwed it in Oh Sailor, sailor, will you marry me, with your pigtail down your back Oh no nice girl I cannot marry you, for its hair on my head that I lack So off she went, to her grandfather's chest, and plucked him some hair of the very very best And the sailor stuck it on Oh Sailor, sailor, will you marry me, with your sparkling eyes so jocular Oh no nice girl I cannot marry you, for you see I am strictly monocular She went to the marbles her grandfather'd lost, and brought him a bullseye of the very very best And the sailor stuck it in Oh Sailor, sailor, will you marry me, with your great big marlin spike (pause) Oh yes nice girl I'll surely marry you, for your just the kind of thing that I like. So off they went to her grandfather's cradle, and there she discovered that this seaman was quite able And the sailor put it in
The disabled seaman theyer We'll do one more just to finish you off with, then you'd better have a little lie down hadn't you, father? I think I could do with a little lie down, yes I'll see what I can arrange in that department for myself too I think! Away day (Gaude te) We thought we do it cos we've seen that Alastair A Anderson around from that magazine thing. Cos they don't call it folk music any more, its Roots music, We3've been very influenced by that, but we've got a bit of a problem, cos to get on really well with the roots music, you got to sing in a foreign language, really, and father & I are a bit stuck in that department, are we. So we asked our vicar, the vicar of St Just, we asked him what foreign languages he knew, and he said, well there's always Latin This is what they call a Latin Motel. I don't know why That's right, a Latin Motel. Course, being in Latin, we don't understand a word of it, but if there are any Latin people in here tonight, and they'd like to tell us what its all about, we'd be pleased, wouldn't we father Oh yes Its an old Latin motel, called Away day Chorus Away day, away day, loco in transit Omnibus, St pancreas, away day Away day, away day, loco in transit Omnibus, St pancreas, away day (Pause for laughter) I dunt know, must be one of them latin jokes you hear about 1 Cleopatra virginae, terra incognito in loc parentis caesar mutlio calcutta CH 2 Troyalus et Cressida, con Homo erectus Strangulated hernia, coitus interruptus CH 3 Romulus et Remus, in flagrante delicto Honi soit qui mal y pense, Harry Belafontee CH 3 Gina Lollobrigida, Osteo Arthritis In vino veritas, Peter Dominicus CH 4 Non compos mentis, continuo ad nauseam Ad lib, et cetera, quod erat demonstrandum CH repeat Away day theyer!
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Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: AndyG Date: 14 Apr 99 - 04:41 AM Sid Kipper Like A Rhinestone Ploughboy LERCD2115 (A Trunch Wireless Special)
The Old, Waily, Windy Knight
All the above tracks are interspersed with "local radio" style intro's.
AndyG |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE INNOCENT DODO etc (Kipper Family) From: AndyG Date: 14 Apr 99 - 01:06 PM The Innocent Dodo
I prithee good ladies and lordies attend
For if the poor creature is but to keep goin'
Well the dodo in the morning she falls from her nest
And as she must put up with all of this stuff
Oh how many roads must a Dodo walk down
And if you should question on what she has dined
And so on my tunic this message I spell:
Gobblers in the Garden
Well when first I wed me Norfolk girl, we all went back to Trunch
He told me: (chorus)
When finally he finished me eyelids felt like lead
And he said:
He drove us to our lodgings and he said cheerio
This voice said:
She said you've really got to laugh but I was proper riled
And he said:
Now we've been married seven years and we've got three young pups
His words are:
All Things Are Quite Equal
A young person was a-walking one morning in May
Chorus
Oh the way I respond to the charms that thou hast
Chorus
Said the other I'm willing if you would agree
Chorus
Both parties were eager, both parties were brisk
Chorus
Now the first person declared without guile
Chorus
Better late than never, maybe more tomorrow
AndyG |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Garry Gillard Date: 05 Mar 01 - 11:52 PM I've only just been directed to this thread by Wolfgang, after having put up a new Kippers site. There are no lyrics on mine - not yet anyway.
Garry https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/records/kipperfamily.html |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Hollowfox Date: 06 Mar 01 - 01:57 PM Rob, did you know that there's a From Time Immoral songbook? I just checked Amazon.com (USA), and it's out of print, but you can probably scare one up somewhere (eBay?) Good luck. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE TROUSERS IN BETWEEN (Kipper Family) From: Les from Hull Date: 06 Mar 01 - 03:29 PM THE TROUSERS IN BETWEEN
I got married yesterday to Miss Christina Chad
Now just the other week I had to go up north
Now a chap must keep in shape if he's going to cut a dash Am I boring you?
Les |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Dita Date: 06 Mar 01 - 03:43 PM Rob D, could we have an update, telling us what you are still missing, as the genisis of this string is way back love, john. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 Mar 01 - 05:09 PM The sharks they played melodeons possibly predates the Kippers and Manitas might know the rest of it, but he's out. LTS |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST Date: 06 Mar 01 - 06:07 PM Get hold of a copy of the Kipper Family Songbook; it may have some of the lyrics you still need |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,Martin Hungerford Date: 08 Mar 02 - 06:48 AM Is this STILL live? If so, "the sharks playing harmoniums" predates Kippers - we were singing it in 81. However, as I learnt itm there was no full song, just silly lines added to "Pleasent and Delightfull". It was not untill "Cosmic and Freaky" did the rounds that there was a ful blown parody. Martin |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Snuffy Date: 08 Mar 02 - 08:51 AM There is also a version about a an all night session at a Morris Ring meeting which ends: And the bastards played melodeons till the dawning of the day. WassaiL! V |
Subject: Lyr Add: WAILY, WINDY KNIGHT (Kipper family) From: Morticia Date: 08 Mar 02 - 09:42 AM WAILY, WINDY KNIGHT
Oh me 'ead, it is frozen to me 'at
Chorus
Let me in, Sir Jasper cried
The window that have opened wide
He found the window where she snores
Chorus
Then up the ladder he have climbed
Well, that I will then LInda cried
Chorus
Despite that wicked wind so chill
But down he's tumbled to the ground
Chorus
Grandma's hooked her window wide
She closed the window with a grin
Let me out, Sir Jasper cried I have most of Sid's album's, I think and whilst, I draw the line at transcibing The Crab Wars for you, will transcibe others if you let me know what you want.
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Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,LJ from Norfolk Date: 24 May 02 - 08:22 AM My friend has a copy of the Time Immoral Song Book, which I currently have on loan. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 27 May 02 - 05:45 AM question, whatever happened to henry kipper? i've seen the obituary notice- but when i was at priestweston at easter, after i'd performed a number of the k. family songs, the topic of henry's departure was raised. someone said he's changed his name to henrietta is this fact/fiction? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Watson Date: 27 May 02 - 08:46 AM Mr Happy, Whether the name has changed or not, it's a fact that Dick Nudds (Henry) is not the man he was! |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 27 May 02 - 08:55 AM watson, would you care to elucidate further? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Watson Date: 27 May 02 - 09:02 AM Well, shall I say that "Dick" is not the most appropriate name for him any more. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 27 May 02 - 11:14 AM why? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Watson Date: 27 May 02 - 11:19 AM Well what did you gather from the initial revelation that Henry was now Henrietta? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 27 May 02 - 11:34 AM ah! so you mean he can sing on a higher plane than before |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Watson Date: 27 May 02 - 11:49 AM I don't think they used a plane - that would have been cruel in the extreme. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Micca Date: 27 May 02 - 02:17 PM Watson, do you mean he has changed his connector from a plug to a socket???? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Eclipse Date: 27 May 02 - 07:55 PM Completely off topic here... well sort of? I?m looking for the Lyrics to The Bonny Spotted Cuckoo by the Kipper Family Thanks. -Eclipse PS: For those who were helping on the thread ?Cuckoo?s nest? Climb a tree thread.? Sorry for the cross over. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 27 May 02 - 08:22 PM so it's not a plane figure? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,Guest Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:04 AM The sharks, they played melodeons is just one bit of a parody I made up years ago - only to the refrain. The other bits are: V1 refrain: The sharks they played melodeons at the bottom of the bay V2 refrain: I must go and leave you, Nancy - FOR the girl that I adore. V3 refrain: Saying may I go along with you/No-one else is half as long as you/Saying may... etc. V4 refrain: And if ever I return again I will take you for a ride That's not to say of course, that someone else hasn't come up with the same idea too! |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,Steve Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:06 AM That was from me - I didn't know (Mudcat virgin) that you could just use a name.... |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,Steve Date: 15 Jul 02 - 06:08 AM Incidentally, is anyone interested in my parody of 'Dido Bendigo' ? |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 15 Jul 02 - 12:21 PM i think kipper fans would be well pleased if you stuck your dido bendigo up |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: GUEST,Andrew Date: 06 Aug 02 - 04:45 PM First I would like to apologise for posting something off-topic, but I can't find anywhere else to ask. I would very much like to buy a copy of "Fresh Yesterday" or a CD of the Kippers, and I would be very grateful for any pointers. Andrew Mole (andrew.mole@att.net) |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: MMario Date: 06 Aug 02 - 04:48 PM do a goodle search for "kipper family" CD then take your pick. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: MMario Date: 06 Aug 02 - 04:49 PM google. sorry www.google.com |
Subject: Lyr Add: BIKER BILL AND WALTER SHAW (Kipper Family From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Sep 02 - 05:43 AM BIKER BILL AND WALTER SHAW [Kipper Family]
When I've had enough of Penny,
Biker Bill and Walter Shaw,
When I first came to the pits,
Walter's worth his weight in gold.
If I had another gill,
Walter Shaw he had a pig. |
Subject: RE: Project and LyrReq: The Kipper Family From: justinkipper Date: 20 Nov 02 - 03:04 PM hello would anyone who has lyrics for the kipper family, and sid, be interested in contributing them to the new Trunch Trumpet on-line? I would type them all out from the songs, but, well, wouldn't it take forever? I think I may have trouble with copyrite also, I may have to write to Chris Sugden and ask him if it is ok to have them on the site (get permission etc) http://www.geocities.com/trunchtrumpet Thank you justin |
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