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23 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM (#2004927) Subject: flower of Scotland From: guitar this month/year is the 40th annversay of the song flower of Scotland. Tom |
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23 Mar 07 - 09:42 AM (#2004936) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie ...And what a good song it is, I always remember years ago in the magazine 'Folk Review' some miserable bastard called Michael Grosvenor Mayer reviewing a Corries record and saying how much he hated them for being bland, well sneer on the other side of yer face mick, how many songs have you written that have passed into the tradition? |
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23 Mar 07 - 10:32 AM (#2004999) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,meself Hey, I'm a big Corries fan too - but I'm assuming this review was written at least 30 years ago - time to let it go. Who knows in how many ways this Mr Mayer has paid for his sins since then? (Just noticed your name - and realized I just took a shot at you on another thread - nothing personal!). |
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23 Mar 07 - 10:55 AM (#2005029) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Murray MacLeod How exactly does a song have an "anniversary", accurate to within a month ? ( btw,as far as I recall, Roy Williamson wrote the song in 1966 ) |
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24 Mar 07 - 04:38 AM (#2005621) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,teachers pest Hate the song with a passion.That should bring the thread along a bit. |
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24 Mar 07 - 04:51 AM (#2005627) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Jim Lad Think I'll just stand back a wee bit! |
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24 Mar 07 - 05:50 AM (#2005646) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: guitar As a Scot I like this song, And I'm a Corries fan as well. Tom |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:01 AM (#2005680) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: John MacKenzie I like to hear it sung at Murrayfield etc, but as a song it is more than a tad maudlin, and not what I'd choose as a Scottish Anthem. Giok |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:46 AM (#2005702) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: kendall I love Scotland, and the Corries, and the song. So there. |
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24 Mar 07 - 09:18 AM (#2005755) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: bubblyrat The British National Anthem is " God Save The Queen " , and should be played by BOTH sides at English / Scottish sporting events.So there is no need to even THINK about "Flower of Scotland " as an anthem-----Scotland already has one !!! |
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24 Mar 07 - 09:24 AM (#2005758) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,wordy Bubblyrat, what world are you living in? Britain is a concept not a reality. This govt has decided to break it up and the Scots have enthusiatically accepted the offer, to their great advantage so far. if they want a "we hate the English" anthem then that's what they've got. What we need is an English anthem that does not have hatred or religion as its basis. Any ideas? |
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24 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM (#2005770) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,Terry McDonald No, Wordy - It's Britain that's (currently) the reality and independence for Scotland, Wales and Ulster (?)a concept. Only in sport is there a country called Scotland, for everything else it's legally part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Having said that, I, like many others, look forward to English independence. The 'Commonwealth of England' has a nice ring to it, don't you think? As for an English anthem, that's been discussed continually here. I'd choose 'Jerusalem.' I think....... |
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24 Mar 07 - 09:41 AM (#2005772) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: John MacKenzie How about Alone Again Naturally as an English anthem Bubbly ? Giok [It's a wee joke BTW for those who don't possess a recognisable sense of humour!] |
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24 Mar 07 - 03:39 PM (#2006028) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST 'Rule Britannia' was written by a Scot even though the music was by Thomas Arne and shows its 18th century triad chord and moving thirds heritage (kraut zistern-schlagers took over the world!). 'God Save the Quink' was also scored by Arne, so he has a 270-year-old stranglehold on British/English national songs. He was, of course, Irish :-) 'Flower of Scotland' is usually played too fast, and in too emphatic a manner. The original Corries version is more a lament than an anthem. Scotland wishes to be independent just to avoid Tony Blair slapping a law in place which prevents freedom of singing and music-making without licences. Indeed if this was tried on, I think it would be one thing which ensured SNP victory and Scottish secession. David |
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24 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM (#2006037) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Jim Lad Whoa Bubblyrat: Some buttons, you don't push. "Scots Wha Hae" is still the official national anthem. No? |
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24 Mar 07 - 05:52 PM (#2006141) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Rasener I remember when I lived in Scotland and going to a Scottish Folk Club many years ago. i think I was the only Englishman there. It was sung with venom. At least thats the impression I got from it. Consequently, although I like Scotland and its people, I dislike this song. |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:00 PM (#2006184) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Murray MacLeod "Flower of Scotland " sung in a Folk Club ?? I am flabbergasted. Please name names, the Villan, which Scottish Folk Club was this, and when ? |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:08 PM (#2006187) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Rasener I can't remember anymore Murray. It was a long time ago somewhere between Stirling and Grangemouth. I only went the once :-) I went on my own to see Cilla Fisher and Artie Trazize. I think it coincided with some battle. :-) However it was a bit disturbing. I kept my mouth shut LOL. Must be my imagination. |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:27 PM (#2006193) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: bubblyrat Why not ask Brian McNeil ?? The last time I saw him, he said " Why do the Scots keep banging on about a Scotland that never was ?? " He is a Big Cheese in Scottish Traditional Music, so I guess his opinion ought to be respected.?? Do folk sing it in Kelvinside , I wonder?? I"ll mebbe ask my chum McKenzie, frae Larkhall !! |
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24 Mar 07 - 07:51 PM (#2006207) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST Flower of Scotland gets requested frequently in our session in Kelso, not by the folk club, but by visitors - English as often as not. Same goes for Dougie Maclean's 'Caledonia'. One reason locals request FoS and Caledonia is because both are on the curriculum for informal music teaching in Scottish schools (at least in our Borders region) along with a few other standards, Mairi's Wedding etc. Most are either pants or kid's songs, but FoS and Caledonia are liked enough for almost all adults to know them, and request them. We usually turn it round by suggesting that the requester sings it themselves and we'll provide the music. |
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24 Mar 07 - 08:33 PM (#2006234) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: mg Oh please don't choose Caledonia for an anthem. It grates on my nerves somewhat awful. I don't know why. mg |
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25 Mar 07 - 04:50 AM (#2006465) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: John MacKenzie Bubblyrat, I think what Brian MacNeill means when he says "never was" is 'was never allowed to be', however that's just a guess. To quote the statements of one man who is allegedly a 'big noise' in Scottish folk music as justification for your own prejudices is a bit self serving. G. |
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25 Mar 07 - 08:16 AM (#2006568) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Sir Roger de Beverley One of the scarier moments of my life was at a function at Buckie golf club in, I think, 1972. As the singer with the band and the only Englishman in the room having to stand up and sing Flower of Scotland. It was very late in the evening and many a dram had been taken but I wasn't lynched. I like the song and the people Roger |
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25 Mar 07 - 12:37 PM (#2006721) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,Nick What's wrong with Caledonia? No mention of Scotland The Brave a song played anytime a parade with pipers happens, It was a shock when I learned it had lyrics! Nick |
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25 Mar 07 - 12:39 PM (#2006723) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,Nick Can anybody direct me to a recording or midi of Flower of Scotland? I don't know if I have ever heard the tune. |
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25 Mar 07 - 01:17 PM (#2006754) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Rasener There you go GUEST Nick Flower Of Scotland |
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25 Mar 07 - 05:25 PM (#2006960) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST Just listen to Verdi's Nabokov and you'll hear where they got the melody from. |
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25 Mar 07 - 06:57 PM (#2007035) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,meself Just read Nabokov's Lolita and you'll forget the whole thing. |
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26 Mar 07 - 01:05 AM (#2007214) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: harpmolly LOL! M |
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26 Mar 07 - 06:39 AM (#2007333) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST Verdi's Nabuuco!!! |
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26 Mar 07 - 06:40 AM (#2007336) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST Or even Nabucco!!! |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:01 AM (#2007514) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Dazbo The problem with Flower Of Scotland being sung at internationals is the crown never knows when to start singing. It never starts with a full throated sing out, gradually builds up over the bar (measure for US people:-)). |
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26 Mar 07 - 12:45 PM (#2007632) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,meself "the crown never knows when to start singing" - I would think the crown might be wondering whether it would be appropriate to sing at all ... |
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27 Mar 07 - 08:01 AM (#2008344) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Dazbo Hee hee, didn't spot that one |
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27 Mar 07 - 03:47 PM (#2008762) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,ib48 a rousing and beautiful piece of music as opposed to that dirge that we have.I am patriotic but also a republican so god save the queen is a piece of crap to me,unless it is sung by the sex pistols. |
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27 Mar 07 - 04:23 PM (#2008807) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,Republican Sorry, too much wine, I keep hitting the Enter key! I think The Flower of Scotland is very, very weak and says absolutely nothing. It was an attempt by non nationalists to grab the Scottish ear and it worked. The punters are really thick! |
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27 Mar 07 - 04:34 PM (#2008822) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST,meself Hmm ... we seem to have a difference of opinion here ... |
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27 Mar 07 - 04:40 PM (#2008827) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: John MacKenzie Nobody was more surprised that it caught on, than the man who wrote it. he didn't think it was very good. G. |
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03 Apr 07 - 06:14 AM (#2015113) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Muttley There's another FoS thread going at present where 'flower' starts with a capital 'F'. There's a brilliant story there about a Celtic ~ Dundee FA Cup match - heartily recommend it. However, though I'd heard OF the song - I've never actually heard the song. Remedied that and fell in love; even to a first generation Aussie of Scottish parentage it's a great song and commemorates a great event in Scottish history - one of the few times we got together and DIDn'T fight with ourselves!!! I'd vote for it as National Anthem - I've never heard Caledonia - as a first-gen, do I get at least half a vote? Muttley |
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03 Apr 07 - 07:53 AM (#2015166) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: GUEST The other problem with FoS at international matches etc. is that they always have bagpipes, and the pipes can't play the flattened seventh at the end of the verse. Sounds pathetic. |
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03 Apr 07 - 12:18 PM (#2015344) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Phillip O flour of Scotland When will we see Your like again? That made such fine scones In every but and ben Frae Ayr to Wemyss Bay And up the Fairy Glen... For scones can still rise now And be devoured again By Edward's army Them sweet-toothed Englishmen And send them homeward To stink again. Needs a bit of work, I think |
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03 Apr 07 - 12:39 PM (#2015356) Subject: RE: flower of Scotland From: Shaneo It's probably the closest to a rebel song the Scots have , good song , and sung at many ballad sessions in Ireland . |