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26 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM (#2007448) Subject: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Bobert Well, music purdy much took a dump, Ronnie Raygan tried to bankrupt the US and the entire decade, IMO, was purdy much a wash out... |
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26 Mar 07 - 10:44 AM (#2007506) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger I agree Ray-Gun was certainly the most miserable president in my life time. |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:05 AM (#2007521) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Scoville Amen. Yeah, what the Hell was up with the music, anyway? I mean, the Seventies at least produced the string-band revival and swamp rock. The Eighties had . . . hair bands. As for presidents, I'd say we've outdone the Eighties this time around. |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:09 AM (#2007525) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: 3refs "I agree Ray-Gun was certainly the most miserable president in my life time". So, you've been dead for the last 6 years? First part of the 80's were great. From what I can remember! |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:14 AM (#2007536) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko If you kept your ears open, you would have heard some very talented songewriters emerging. Aside from the hair bands, there were artists like John Gorka, Suzanne Vega, Christine Lavin and dozens of other songwriters making their start. While it wasn't traditional folk, there was some great, intelligent music being made. A decade cannot be crap. A person can turn it into crap if they succomb to media pressure. |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:15 AM (#2007538) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Catherine Jayne I was born in 1980 so don't really remember the early part....but the 90's....yep I remember them, just about! |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:15 AM (#2007539) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: alanabit There wasn't even Mudcat in those days... You had to walk all the way from your armchair to the television, if you wanted to change to another channel. CDs cost more than LPs. There were no cheap DVDs of your favourite films or your favourite bands. Young people have it easy these days... I guess the best decade was the sixties, because pop music was better and sex was invented. Unfortunately, I was not introduced to the latter until the seventies. Beer was cheaper then too and there were some nice folk clubs you could go to. The England football team was possibly even worse than it is now and there was wage capping and inflation. There was plenty of war, terrorism, cruelty, famine, natural disaster, human induced disaster, crap political decisions and everything else in all of the few decades I can remember. I wonder what the historians will be saying in a hundred years time? |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:19 AM (#2007544) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: fat B****rd The 80s started out great for me. Young wife, 2 lovely kids, a job I liked, plenty music (not a shoulder pad or mullet in sight), pity about Mrs. T, the Miner's strike and mass redundancies. 1989 saw the end of my marriage the start of a new "relationship" and the beginning of 17 years of relative contentment. |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:30 AM (#2007559) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger "So, you've been dead for the last 6 years?" As bad as GW is, Ray-Gun was a lot worse from my point of view. |
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26 Mar 07 - 12:16 PM (#2007604) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Elmer Fudd Stevie Ray Vaughan. |
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26 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM (#2007653) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger "There was plenty of war, terrorism, cruelty, famine, natural disaster, human induced disaster, crap political decisions and everything else in all of the few decades I can remember. I wonder what the historians will be saying in a hundred years time?" If we continue to publish, read, and canonize historians like Newt Gingrich I can tell you what they will be saying. |
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26 Mar 07 - 02:35 PM (#2007702) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: alanabit As a historian he is as likely to be read in fifty years time as David Irving is. |
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26 Mar 07 - 02:42 PM (#2007706) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Jerry Rasmussen I dunno, Bobert: I liked a lot of the music in the 80's, including The Police, R.E.M., Men At Work, Huey Lewis & The News, Dire Straits, The Bangles, UB40, The English Beat, The Pointer Sisters.. I could go on and on. And that's not even touching many other great groups who got started in the 80's but didn't have a lot of charting hits, like Los Lobos. If you want to talk about an era that is record-breaking crap, how about right now? Jerry |
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26 Mar 07 - 02:47 PM (#2007710) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger alanbit--How is David Irving read? |
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26 Mar 07 - 04:42 PM (#2007796) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: alanabit Well, I would say on the whole very little and at best not at all. However, like a lot of cranks, he has a small public, which is not likely to increase very much, when his untruths are further exposed by real historians. The last I heard of him, he was in prison for Holocaust denial in Austria. You may or may not agree with the laws of Austria. At any rate, that alone should give you some idea of how he earned his notoriety. |
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26 Mar 07 - 04:58 PM (#2007818) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger Oh yeah, I remember him now. You're right, I did have a little trouble making sense out of the Austrian law, but it is unfortnate when some element of disinformation gets fixed in history and stays that way for generations. I can remember sitting in a public classroom and being told by the teacher that Australian Aboriginies were not fully developed human beings. |
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26 Mar 07 - 05:20 PM (#2007836) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Bee-dubya-ell I spent much of the 1980s in a drunken stupor. But I guess if one had to waste a decade on alcohol abuse, the '80s was a pretty good choice. |
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26 Mar 07 - 06:35 PM (#2007904) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: GUEST,worker The eighties were like any other decade. It's what you make it, that's all. |
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26 Mar 07 - 06:56 PM (#2007923) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Tootler Some interesting music, add Ultravox and Pet Shop Boys to the list above and Queen continued to put out quality material. Career wise also it was good. I got a job I loved in 1980 and stayed with it until I retired. But then Thatcher the ******* was prime minister for much of the 80s. |
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26 Mar 07 - 09:07 PM (#2008027) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Bobert Yeah, okay, Jerry... I'd have to grabt you that this decade will give the 80's a run for the money... But ya' gotta admit that the 90's brought about a resurgence in music that had been missin'.... I guess it's about what one likes??? The Pointer Sisters, the Police ain't my kinda stuff but I liked R.E.M and U2 and both of them came outta the 80's... But compared to the 70's and the 90's the 80's left me kinda empty in termd of new music... But then again, I'm kinda an' ol Neil Youngish rocker bluesman so I was real glad to hear the 90's garage band groups like Mother Love Bone, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, etc...They, at least, had a pulse and some... But to be honest I did like some of the 80's head bangers, most notably Tesla, Cinderella and Candle Box who I thought had some nice stuff... But, ahhhhh, comapred to the 70's or the 90's, I still think the 80's was crap... Especially the Ray-Gun guy.... Bobert |
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26 Mar 07 - 10:01 PM (#2008052) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Bee-dubya-ell The '80s was the last time I was exposed to much current pop music. I don't listen to commercial radio by choice, but I did have a job for a number of years where a radio was on all the time. During the early to mid '80s the shop radio was always tuned to current pop stuff like Duran Duran, Flock of Seagulls, Eurhythmics etc. But when the "classic rock" format began to take hold in the late 80s, the work crew opted for Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd over the pop of that period, so I missed it. There are a lot of pop "stars" whose photos I've seen on the cover of People magazine in the grocery check-out lane, but whose music I've never heard. That leaves me with rather ambivalent feelings about '80s music. It's recognizable, so there's a connection of sorts, but I never liked much of it. I'll sometimes hear a song from that era (David Dye occasionally plays one on NPR's "World Cafe") and think, "What the hell's he playing that crap for?", but I'll sometimes think, "Take out the synthesizer and the drum machine, and that's not a bad song." I never liked Men at Work, but I've enjoyed what I've heard of Colin Hay's solo work playing his old Men at Work songs. They seem to have more soul which, I guess, was a key ingredient missing in much '80s pop. |
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26 Mar 07 - 10:10 PM (#2008055) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Leadfingers For me , apart from The Blessed Margaret the eighties were GOOD ! Nice lady , First house , involved in a VERY good folk Club , the Day job was at worst interesting ! |
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26 Mar 07 - 11:12 PM (#2008083) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: GUEST,worker Nothing reveals a defeated man than one who pines away for the good old days. Music is art and art will never be defeated by politics, kings, or despot rulers. I don't believe there is one decade that has produced 'great' music and one that hasn't. One can find great music from any decade whether it be Amadeus Mozart, Stephen Foster, Claude Debussy, Sun House, the Carter Family, Hank Williams, Nick Drake, Phillip Glass, Miles Davis (and he had a new form of music for every working decade of his life), the Pogues, Christy Moore, Roy Harper, Gordon Lightfoot, Steeleye Span, Gillian Welch. You have to go find the music, whatever the genre, whatever the decade. I have been here on the Mudcat for a short spell and already I have been given a lead for a new artist which I will seek out.I'm still happy I have my hearing for listening to music new and old and the dextrity in my hands to still pluck out tunes. As per politics, how can you pine away for the 1960's, a decade that had a fascist leader still running the show in Spain, the Vietnam war that killed literally thousands of American Youth, you had Mao orchestrating the Cultural Revolution, you had Sukarta ruthlessly running Indonesia, you had apartheid in South Africa.The assination of JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King. You cherish that decades's politics and criticise the 1980's. Every decade has it's politics's and always will.Every decade has it's dark side and every decade has it's hope. |
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27 Mar 07 - 01:23 AM (#2008171) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: alison add Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran, Adam & the Ants to the above list slainte alison |
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27 Mar 07 - 01:26 AM (#2008173) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Peace I don't remember the 1980s either. |
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27 Mar 07 - 05:12 AM (#2008255) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Liz the Squeak Bit like the grammar... the 1980's WERE crap. And yes.. for me, mostly they were, although I did start researching my family history. 23 years and 9-10 generations later it's looking pretty good. During the '80s I left school, got beaten up, found folk music, joined a choral society, met Micca, got a brilliant job in a museum, got a crappy job cleaning an office, did 'A'levels in Art and English, a City & Guilds in embroidery, got pleurisy, met the first love of my life, was attacked, left home, nearly married a Welshman, heard Graham Moore sing 'Tolpuddle Man' for the first ever time in public, met Prince Charles, lost my marbles for a while and got involved in giant processions. LTS |
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27 Mar 07 - 10:15 AM (#2008456) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger Maybe the reason the 1980's was so good for music was because there was so much to complain about. |
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27 Mar 07 - 10:31 AM (#2008472) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Amos By that standard, this is the Golden Age of Mudcat. A |
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27 Mar 07 - 10:50 AM (#2008491) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: GUEST,ib48 yep,yer spot on,the 80s was total tripe |
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27 Mar 07 - 11:57 AM (#2008573) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: guitar yes |
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27 Mar 07 - 12:50 PM (#2008616) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Jerry Rasmussen much better to be defined by what you like than what you hate... |
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27 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM (#2009017) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Riginslinger On the other hand, if we hadn't had a Great Depression in the 1930's, probably nobody would know who Woodie Guthrie was. |
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28 Mar 07 - 07:11 PM (#2010034) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Grab If anyone can point us out a decade that produced only good music, I'd be happy to hear about it. The rot set in in the late 50s, when American labels realised they could market teen crap and it'd sell. I'd take any modern pop record over the bubblegum crap that America was churning out in the early 60s. But every decade has had good stuff too, from people who could play/sing/write. 80s - hmm. All the ones mentioned so far, plus:- Folk-related: the Levellers, the Albion Band and endless variations (including Show of Hands) Rock/pop: Chris Rea, Blondie, ZZ Top, Michael Jackson, Prince, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Meatloaf, Fleetwood Mac, Aerosmith, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, the Beastie Boys, Frankie goes to Hollywood Also acid and other early house music (yet again, Britain reworks a US musical invention and kicks ass). And the whole Madchester movement. If you reckon the 80s were crap, you must have had the wrong radio station on for 10 years! Graham. |
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28 Mar 07 - 07:18 PM (#2010040) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: John Hardly "...there were artists like John Gorka, Suzanne Vega, Christine Lavin and dozens of other songwriters making their start" ...and Pierce Pettis, and David Wilcox, and Chuck Brodsky, Harvey Reid, Pat Donohue, Mike Dowling, and, and, and....it was a GREAT decade for singer songwriters. One of the best in my lifetime. Flatpicking guitar took a quantum leap forward. Standing atop Tony Rice's, Norman Blake's and Dan Crary's shoulders came Jim Hurst, Jeff White, David Grier, Tim Stafford (I could go on and on and on here too). New Grass Revival Nashville Bluegrass Band Union Station Tony Rice Unit Yeah, the 80's really sucked. If you were stuck under a rock. |
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28 Mar 07 - 07:31 PM (#2010051) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Liz the Squeak I was in Dorset... I might as well have been stuck under a rock for all the fun it wasn't. LTS |
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28 Mar 07 - 07:40 PM (#2010063) Subject: RE: BS: The 1980's was crap... From: Becca72 I was born in the '70s but grew up in the '80s and thought it was great! But in 1984 I was 12 years old and the state of the world meant very little to me politics-wise. Some great great music came out of that decade. |