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01 Apr 07 - 04:50 AM (#2013215) Subject: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: julian morbihan Today the Samaritan's are launching their new phoneline for aethiests. You phone a number and nobody answers. |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:36 AM (#2013229) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for atheists From: The Fooles Troupe Yes, but the big advantage is that since nobody answers, it costs nothing for the call. |
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01 Apr 07 - 07:03 AM (#2013273) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: gnu But, how will they ever hear the call? |
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01 Apr 07 - 07:09 AM (#2013279) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: *daylia* THey'll have to make sure the ringer is OM. |
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01 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM (#2013346) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Willie-O But I'm an atheist, and I answer my phone when it rings. What is "Samaritan"? Who answers their other phone lines, presumably for theists? And do they have one for agnostics? It's impossible to say. W-O |
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01 Apr 07 - 10:32 AM (#2013372) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: GUEST,meself Not only does cost nothing, but it really doesn't waste much of your time either. |
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01 Apr 07 - 12:06 PM (#2013470) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Stringsinger If a god falls in the forest and nobody hears him does that mean he really exists? If the Samaritan is on the road bleeding, most atheists I know would help him. Frank Hamilton |
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01 Apr 07 - 12:11 PM (#2013476) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Bill D "... new phoneline for aethiests." maybe they'll start one for the spelling-disabled soon! |
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01 Apr 07 - 12:39 PM (#2013501) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: *daylia* If the Samaritan is on the road bleeding, most atheists I know would help him. Indeed they would. Now, if the atheist was on the road bleeding, do you think any of the more, um, Deistically-inclined would help? |
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01 Apr 07 - 12:47 PM (#2013508) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Bill D A clever atheist who was injured would take OFF his big identifying button that they all usually wear. |
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01 Apr 07 - 01:27 PM (#2013554) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Bee Yes, I, for example, only wear mine to the EAC meetings. |
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01 Apr 07 - 01:41 PM (#2013575) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: GUEST,meself "If the Samaritan is on the road bleeding, most atheists I know would help him." But the question is, if it were a fanatic, Bible-thumping evangelical on the road bleeding, would the atheist help him? It's a little unlikely he's going to come upon a Samaritan on the road bleeding. On the other hand, he may come across a Hebrew in distress - as in the original story! But the point really is that it's a nominal enemy ... |
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01 Apr 07 - 02:01 PM (#2013600) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Little Hawk A Samaritan is a person from Samaria, correct? |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:07 PM (#2013759) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: GUEST,meself Far as I know ... |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:37 PM (#2013802) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: The Fooles Troupe Perhaps it is the first documented case of Identity Theft... |
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01 Apr 07 - 05:59 PM (#2013822) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: GUEST,meself What - the thieves that jumped him stole his ID and credit cards? Probably - but I don't remember that being mentioned in the book! |
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01 Apr 07 - 06:53 PM (#2013856) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: The Fooles Troupe What? isn't it "In The Book"? |
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01 Apr 07 - 07:42 PM (#2013912) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Mrrzy An aetheist is an atheist with taste! |
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02 Apr 07 - 07:29 AM (#2014238) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Donuel Anyone want the 1-900 number for God? $4.99 for the first minute and $1.99 for every minute you wait on hold. Isn't a phone call a bit impersonal Give me a good ol fashioned quickie drive through church that bless for a fee face to face from behind bullet proof glass. They use those small bank branches that have closed. |
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02 Apr 07 - 08:03 AM (#2014263) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: The Fooles Troupe And they have a safe place to store the cash close by... |
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02 Apr 07 - 08:08 AM (#2014266) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: The Fooles Troupe "safe place" - sorry.... |
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02 Apr 07 - 01:59 PM (#2014528) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Anne Lister To anyone who is genuinely confused by this thread ...the Samaritans is an organisation set up to befriend all people in distress, especially those feeling suicidal. And, at the risk of spoiling the joke (but in the interests of accuracy)it has never had any religious agenda whatsoever despite being set up by an Anglican vicar and having a Biblical name. I speak as a very happy pagan who used to be a volunteer in the Central London branch, so I would have noticed! Anne |
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03 Apr 07 - 05:16 AM (#2015077) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: bubblyrat I have never understood their ethos. If someone calls the Samaritans, and talks for a while about committing suicide ( Samaritans aren"t allowed to say " commit suicide ", ---did you know that ? ), and then says that they have taken a huge overdose and slashed their wrists lengthways ,meaning that they don"t have long to live (!) , and then they hang up / ring off. What does the Samaritan do next ?? Call the emergency services ?? No way !! Because the Samaritan has no idea where the person is----because Samaritans cannot do a " 1471 " ( don"t know what it is in USA ) to find out where the caller was calling from !!. But----there must be people out there who don"t know that, who go over the edge, hang up, and think " It"s OK, those nice Samaritans will trace my call and send an ambulance ", but, of course, they can"t !! I have tried and tried, but I just don"t understand it----sorry !! |
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03 Apr 07 - 07:11 AM (#2015135) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Anne Lister First of all, Bubblyrat, of course Samaritans are allowed to say "commit suicide" - where on earth did you hear they couldn't? That's the question Samaritan volunteers have to ask in each and every conversation. It's part of the training and part of the whole ethos of what happens. And secondly, of course the volunteer will be doing everything they can to find out where the suicidal person is, in order to help them, but if a caller doesn't give an address (specifically chooses not to, in some cases) it's very hard to see (a) that the caller wanted to be prevented from suicide and (b) how to help them. A phone number does not generate an address, even if you could find the number they called from. If the Samaritan DOES know the address or phone number then they will do everything possible to help the caller - I've been in that position and I know. I once had half a phone number before the caller rang off. There are no words to describe how I felt about that. I'd suggest if you're agonising about how and why Samaritans operate you should simply call and ask them - it's not a secret society! But there is a prime rule of confidentiality (hence not using any method to trace the call), and a prime rule of allowing callers to make their own choices, which might mean allowing someone to kill themselves if that's what they really want. With an actively suicidal caller, any volunteer will keep asking for an address or some other way to trace the caller, so your mythical person who goes over the edge and expects to be rescued will have been asked and asked again for contact details. Please don't go spreading unfounded myths...and please also remember that the Samaritans is an entirely volunteer-run charity. If you think you can do better, or as well as they do, by all means put yourself forward to your nearest branch and discover the reality of what happens and the kind of call they receive. Anne |
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03 Apr 07 - 01:07 PM (#2015365) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Marion My girlfriend works for Kids Help Phone, and they don't trace calls or alert the authorities for suicide threats or reports of abuse (though of course, they do try to persuade the caller to allow this and provide contact info). The reason for this insistence on confidentiality is that if word gets around that the Kids Help Phone will "turn you in" without consent, other kids just won't call at all. |
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03 Apr 07 - 05:01 PM (#2015544) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Amos The dialogue just now between Anne and bubbly is a classic example of "false pigeonholes", by means of which one group generates disparaging but untrue legends about another. Interesting to watch it in action! A |
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04 Apr 07 - 11:35 AM (#2016193) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: julian morbihan OK it's now 4th April - I can let the cat out of the bag. It was just an April Fool joke..... |
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04 Apr 07 - 11:55 AM (#2016207) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Anne Lister *feeling quietly smug that I worked that out for myself* Anne |
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04 Apr 07 - 06:27 PM (#2016612) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: The Fooles Troupe What a surprise! Oh, I never would have guessed! Silly me, oh, how stupid I was to be taken in! |
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10 Apr 07 - 08:02 AM (#2021237) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Wolfgang To return to the joke angle. A new hotline is in operation for deists. When it is called you hear a computer generated voice telling you that God is offline since 15 Billion years. Wolfgang |
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10 Apr 07 - 11:16 AM (#2021389) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Scoville I'd help the bleeding Evangelist, I just wouldn't expect any divine brownie points in return. |
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13 Apr 07 - 11:20 AM (#2024232) Subject: RE: BS: Samaritan's new phoneline for aethiests From: Raggytash Surely if the Samaritans where to set up a line where nobody answers it would a phone line for Pessimists |