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10 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM (#2021618) Subject: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Shaneo If he was Irish, or English for that matter ,would he have made it as big as he did ? I think not , as a songwriter , yes , he would have written some great Christy Moore type songs. As a singer , no , he is not up to scratch , I suggest if he was born in Ireland or England he would probably be doing the rounds as just another folk/ballad singer in the pubs and being paid 180 euro for his troubles . Just a thought ? |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM (#2021619) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: WFDU - Ron Olesko So what you are saying is that he would be another run of the mill Irish singer, but because we have less taste in the United States he has become an icon. Or, perhaps I am reading your post wrong? |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:18 PM (#2021631) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Wesley S As for me I wouldn't put Christy Moore and Bob Dylan in the same song writing catagory. There's more than just a little bit of difference between the two. YMMV. |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM (#2021637) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,Tunesmith If you think Dylan can't sing, listen to his version of "The House of the Rising Sun". He paces it beautifully with lots of lovely folkie decoration scattered around. The Animals - vocally - attacked with a sledge-hammer. Talk about lack of subtlety! |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM (#2021640) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Les from Hull I took it that the USA is a much larger market. He had a major record label and an procative manager, and the times were probably right for him as the leading light in a 'Movement'. I liked his singing. It was his bloody harmonica playing I couldn't stand! But I'd like to think that his songs would have made it even it he hadn't as a performer. Look at the number of Bob Dylan songs recorded by other people that became major hits all around the world. In fact it was the easy way to have a hit for lots of people. |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:29 PM (#2021642) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Shaneo To Ron , It's because you have more people in the U.S.A. They are the ones who made him an icon , and it's also about acceptance , If a singer becomes 'big' in the U.S.A. it almost guarantees that it will happen for them everywhere else. To use Christy Moore for example , the man is hugh here in Ireland , but not so in America , that's my point |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:31 PM (#2021646) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Les from Hull I have the utmost respect for Christy Moore, but not so much as a songwriter as for his interpretation of other people's songs. Hm, Christy singing a Dylan song - now you're talking! |
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10 Apr 07 - 04:33 PM (#2021650) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Okay, my mistake. Sorry I got defensive. I don't know why Christy Moore isn't bigger in the U.S. I've played him a number of times on my radio program and get very little reaction. I think he is a superb singer and interpreter of song - but I don't find his songwriting in the same league as a Dylan. When you get down to it - does size matter? |
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10 Apr 07 - 05:21 PM (#2021681) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself "To use Christy Moore for example , the man is hugh here in Ireland , but not so in America , that's my point" Okay - so who started calling him "Christy" in the States? 'Catters: from now on its "hugh" Moore! |
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10 Apr 07 - 06:16 PM (#2021717) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Richard Bridge Who's Divine? |
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10 Apr 07 - 06:22 PM (#2021722) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: bobad Divine |
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10 Apr 07 - 09:12 PM (#2021817) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST What if bob dylan was scotch? He would be wearing a kilt and waiting for somebody else to get the drinks in! |
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10 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM (#2021827) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Effsee Ho Ho Bloody Ho! |
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10 Apr 07 - 09:46 PM (#2021837) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Polish From: frogprince If Dylan was like most Polish American guys I've known, we would have found out if he could get broadcast time with "It really don't make any G*dd**n f**kin difference anyway, don't f**kin' think twice, f**k it, it's awright." |
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11 Apr 07 - 03:28 AM (#2021945) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Big Tim Christy sings Dylan's 'Hattie Carroll' on his most recent album. Dylan would have made it big anywhere - cos he's a genius. |
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11 Apr 07 - 04:08 AM (#2021963) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Dave Hanson If pigs could fly, the price of bacon would go up. eric |
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11 Apr 07 - 05:42 AM (#2021990) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy If Bob Dylan was Irish, it's perhaps less likely he'd've chosen a Welsh bard's name as his nom de guerre. Possibly, we'd now have Bob Brendan/ Samuel/ or any of these! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_poets |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:33 AM (#2022135) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,Robots For Tea How can anybody compare the great songwriting genius of Dylan to some half baked hypocrite like C Moore? |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:57 AM (#2022158) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,Tunesmith Now, that's fighting talk!!! But just for interest sake. Why is Christy a hypoctite? |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:05 AM (#2022166) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself If we got rid of all the folkies who were half-baked, we wouldn't be left with too many! (Okay, I'll get back in the oven). |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:13 AM (#2022173) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Shaneo Why call Christy half baked , the man has been entertaining for forty years . He has searved his time as a singer/songwriter . I used Christy's name for example when talking about Bob Dylan. I'm sure Bob would not call Christy a hypocrite. As for Dylan being a genius / not so .he is your average folk singer and a good poet. |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:25 AM (#2022184) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Maryrrf Yes Bob Dylan wrote some good stuff - but I would agree with Shaneo that he is an "average folk singer and a good poet". I may be flamed for saying this, but I think he is overrated. I think it was more a case of being in the right place at the right time, and getting the right marketing push behind him. |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:52 AM (#2022213) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Big Mick I don't think you are far off the mark, Maryrrf. What made Dylan the poet laureate of his generation was that he was in tune with the times. I believe that Woody Gutherie is probably responsible, in some measure, for Bob Dylan. Much of what Woody wrote was protest music (include This Land Is Your Land in that) designed to call attention to what needed correction in our country. Dylan was influenced by this. Some of his best creations came out of these times in the early 60's. The times were changing, in a big way, and his music, his poetry, reflected that. I believe that questions such as these don't serve much purpose, other than to stimulate conversations. Neither I, or anyone else, knows if Dylan would have been what he is if her were Irish. But to answer the question, my opinion is that he would not have been what he is today. He might have been a pretty good writer of Irish Rebel songs though. Mick |
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11 Apr 07 - 11:14 AM (#2022235) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,Tunesmith I haven't bought a Dylan album since the 60s, But! He is a mighty, mighty figure in the history of rock - and folk music. There is no greater praise than that of your contemporaries, and The Beatles, Phil Ochs etc all thought Dylan was a great, great artist. His influence was immense. Rock lyrics took on a whole new dimension following his lead. |
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11 Apr 07 - 11:36 AM (#2022258) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Scoville (Speaking as someone who only knows the name and nothing about the man himself or his music) Well, for one thing, Mr. Moore isn't marketed in the U.S., from what I can tell. Even Amazon doesn't have any sound clips. I don't buy stuff without hearing samples. There is one rather lame fan-page on MySpace but I'm hoping the four songs that are posted aren't representative, since they're boring. Not bad, but sort of high-average singer-songwriter fare. At least I think Dylan is interesting even if I don't like the music, and there's really quite a bit I don't like from a musical standpoint; I'm not a slavish Dylan-lover. |
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11 Apr 07 - 12:16 PM (#2022293) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: alanabit I don't think either Dylan or Christy Moore would be interested in this sort of comparison. They both do what they do best and they do it very well. I think Dylan would have stood out had he been Irish. The thing, which has always struck me about the Irish people I have known, is that they sing anyway. A lot of people dislike Dylan's voice, so they say he is a rotten singer. A good voice is of no more use to a bad singer than a Goneri violin is to a monkey. Dylan made his voice mean something to those, who were listening. That is exactly what Woody Guthrie (no Pavarotti either) had done before him. I believe many Irish people would have given Dylan a hearing and clicked. Woody Guthrie actually rated the young Dylan more as a singer than as a writer. It is hard to imagine anyone else, who could have appeared at Dylan's time and produced such a stunningly diverse catalogue of songs. He had firm roots in all the musical styles, in which he wrote, be they rock, country, blues, "art songs" or nowadays even swing. He also tackled subjects and songwriting angles which no one before him had dared. Who else can you name before Dylan, who took on the complex psychological profiles like, "Ballad of a Thin Man", "It's all right Ma, I'm Only Bleeding" or even the tragi comic "Mississippi"? Like Dylan or loathe him, he has created a body of work, which stands alone in diversity and can constantly be revisited and reinterpreted by either the man himself or other artists. I think that makes him a bit special by any yardstick.Most of the Irish guys I know place a very high value on words, be they spoken, written or sung. Dylan got through to most of them all right - and that does not surprise me. |
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11 Apr 07 - 12:30 PM (#2022307) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Song challenge: write a song lyric beginning with the phrase, "If Dylan was Irish" - that can be sung to the tune of "Irish Washerwoman". |
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11 Apr 07 - 01:22 PM (#2022349) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Amos IF Dylan were Irish, he'd be still a protestor, And he'd ne'er have an agent or an income investor, He wouldn't be rich, like he got out from Boise And he might sing things better, and for sure he'd be noisy! Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy, Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy, The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy. He would sing in Kilkenny, and, despite his hard thinking He'd have bloody few fans, and his revenue sinking, Though they'd not be so unkind as to have finally banned him, They'd shun all his records, who could not understand them! Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy, Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy, The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy. He'd be gaunt, he'd be skinny, and his face would be boney He'd have no affaire with that belle dame, young Joanie He'd have no motorcycles, nor groupies eclectic, And he'd never have thought, sir, of going electric! Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy, Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy, The bold Irish poet, Bob Brennan the daisy. And now, with years, deeply on his mug showin' It's out to the streets auld Bob would be goin' His gravel truck singing, all the shops to be fillin' In hopes that somebody would toss him a shilling. Och! rub a dub, row de dow, Bob Brennan, the daisy, Just drinking good craithur, and being quite lazy, The bold Irish minstel, Bob Brennan the daisy. |
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11 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM (#2022365) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Holy smokes! Begob and begorrah, old Amos has set the bar high. Although I'm not sure of how the chorus scans - but the last verse brought a tear to my eye, and I'm only on my third Guiness. And now I need another. Anyone looking for me, I'll be at the bar. The rest of you carry on with your versifying; let's see what you can come up with! |
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11 Apr 07 - 01:39 PM (#2022376) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad If Bob was Irish he'd be called "Audience". |
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11 Apr 07 - 01:48 PM (#2022389) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Okay, how 'bout this: If Jim Lad was American, ... ? (He'd be called Jim Boy, or Jimbo). |
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11 Apr 07 - 02:04 PM (#2022407) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad "Jumbo", these days. |
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11 Apr 07 - 02:14 PM (#2022416) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself ! |
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11 Apr 07 - 04:17 PM (#2022527) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,Zac How about 'Goodby Moshe Durkin' |
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11 Apr 07 - 04:55 PM (#2022560) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Go for it! |
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11 Apr 07 - 06:46 PM (#2022648) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,A friend Oh goodbye Mosha Durkin sure me agent's been out workin' He's collectin' lots of songs that I can call me very own. Be it Carthy, be it Behan Sure the punters aint believin' That it's me whose reapin' everything the others might have sown. |
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11 Apr 07 - 08:22 PM (#2022719) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Okay, you Dylan fans, you're not going to take that lying down, are you? A lyrical reposte is in order, I'd say! |
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11 Apr 07 - 08:34 PM (#2022731) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy reposte?? No such werd!!! |
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11 Apr 07 - 08:48 PM (#2022743) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Wha - !? By golly, yer right! You sent me to my dictionary, and I've been downright humbled: rIposte, seems to be the werd wer looking for! Okay - a lyrical RIPOSTE is in order! riposte riposte riposte riposte riposte |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:09 PM (#2022755) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad And how many years can the Irish exist Before they're allowed to be free..... etc. |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM (#2022759) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy BOGOF?? |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:28 PM (#2022766) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy 0.7967 - Thread - Message - rotflmao - Yuck!!! - Apr 19 2001 4:33PM - Joe Offer Summary: The editor of the Mudcat FAQ is a veteran of 3 years of military service and 25 years of civil service, and never, ever wants to see another acronym for as long as he lives! The FAQ editor finally found relief when he discovered this Acronym Dictionary thread. The FAQ editor considers online acronyms to be obnoxious and unnecessary. *********** Me too! BUT!, 'BOGOF' is very prevalent in Brit stores! & stands for: B.O.G.O.F.! = Buy One GetOne Free!! |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM (#2022767) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy sorry Joe |
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11 Apr 07 - 09:34 PM (#2022773) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Nick If Dylan was Irish I probably would have heard of Christy Moore earlier I listened to Dylan in the 60s and heard of Christy Moore within the last 4 years when Flamenco Ted's peach of a daughter (remember the beautiful horses in the field, Sophia?) sang Ride On (and I know he didn't write it). I still listen to more Dylan than Christy Moore |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:02 PM (#2022796) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad And how many times can Blair turn his head Pretending he just doesn't see.... |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM (#2022800) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Good man, yourself, Jim Lad - keep'r coming. |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:21 PM (#2022814) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Little Hawk What if Dylan Thomas had been a Samoan? |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:36 PM (#2022821) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Peace What if Thomas More was less? |
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11 Apr 07 - 10:50 PM (#2022828) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Mr Happy Think you folks need to get out |
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12 Apr 07 - 12:18 AM (#2022860) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad What if meself was yoself? |
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12 Apr 07 - 02:27 AM (#2022899) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad Paddy Dylan's "Times They are a Changing" Come gather round people wherever you be And I'll sing you a verse of "The Rose of Tralee" And if you know three chords you can play it with me Coz I'm not too big on arranging And I hope you don't mind If I sing out of key For my voice it keeps a changing. Come Fiddlers Come whistlers come Mandolins all And we'll play in a circle, our backs to the wall And if some wee girl dances We'll all have a ball Coz we love to see pretty young maidens And if I play a bum note Don't blame me at all For my strings they need a changing. Come Fathers Come Mothers and raise up your glass Oh my God poor ould Paddy just fell on his arse He'll be cursing tomorrow, his leg in a cast And his wife will surely be raging. Oh and once I was slow Now I'm singing real fast For my underwear needs a changing! Jim Brannigan |
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12 Apr 07 - 02:42 AM (#2022904) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad Damn! Replace "My" on the last line of each verse with "The". Never mind, I'll do it, meself! Paddy Dylan's "Times They are a Changing" Come gather round people wherever you be And I'll sing you a verse of "The Rose of Tralee" And if you know three chords you can play it with me Coz I'm not too big on arranging And I hope you don't mind If I sing out of key For the voice it keeps a changing. Come Fiddlers Come whistlers come Mandolins all And we'll play in a circle, our backs to the wall And if some wee girl dances We'll all have a ball Coz we love to see pretty young maidens And if I play a bum note Don't blame me at all For the strings they need a changing. Come Fathers Come Mothers and raise up your glass Oh my God poor ould Paddy just fell on his arse He'll be cursing tomorrow, his leg in a cast And his wife will surely be raging. Oh and once I was slow Now I'm singing real fast For the underwear needs a changing! Jim Brannigan Much better. "O'Dylanesque", if I must say so meself, meself! |
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12 Apr 07 - 09:30 AM (#2023091) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: GUEST,meself Good stuff, Jim! You had me croaking along ... O'Dylanesque indeed! "And we'll play in a circle, our backs to the wall" - Hmmm - I guess we're sitting in a round room! But, come to think, sounds like something O'Dylan would say! |
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12 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM (#2023508) Subject: RE: Review: If Bob Dylan was Irish From: Jim Lad Though I know that British Empire should be banished from this land, With their rifles in their hands And I'm to stoned to stand so I'll try creeping. And sometimes it amazes me, I'm standing on my feet, I can hardly keep the beat And if you think I can sing you must be dreaming. Hey! Mr. Mandoleen Man, play a song for me. Too Ra Loo Ra Lee....... |
