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18 Jun 07 - 09:17 AM (#2079878) Subject: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,Chalkie I was listening to the Christy Moore Desert Island Discs interview on Radio 4 on Sunday morning when a piece of his favourite music was played, the main instrument being the Uillean Pipes. At the end Christy Moore commented that to learn the pipes to a good standard - or words to that affect - it takes twenty one years. Why the extra ONE year? Why not just twenty years, what is learnt in that additional year? |
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18 Jun 07 - 09:25 AM (#2079885) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Sugwash It's 21 because learning the pipes was, according to tradition, split into three phases. I forget the exact formula but it ran something like: 7 years learning, 7 years perfecting and 7 years mastering. |
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18 Jun 07 - 09:47 AM (#2079897) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,PMB First you must get the grip, then you must get the tune, then you must get the truckeldy-how. The pipes are one of those instruments that can take years to click if it ever does, or for some it comes straight away. I've had three separate tries over 30 years, and although others have been kind about my playing, I've never been happy enough to play much in public. On the other hand, a young lad who started at the same time as me was performing to acclaim within 18 months. |
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18 Jun 07 - 10:28 AM (#2079925) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST The 21 year or 3 cycles of 7 years as Sugwash explained above was also the training period of a druid as tradition would have us believe - I don't think there is a coincidence personally.
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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18 Jun 07 - 10:29 AM (#2079926) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST that was Concertina Ceol above this cookie thing is frustrating... |
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18 Jun 07 - 11:12 AM (#2079959) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Gedpipes I hate to be a pedantic kind of bloke but I'm sure its Uilleann. ;-) |
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18 Jun 07 - 11:52 AM (#2080004) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Megan L Ged stop being such a pendant or ye might get hung ;-) |
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18 Jun 07 - 12:26 PM (#2080026) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Sttaw Legend I thought it was Hulleann. ;-) |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:11 PM (#2080093) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Greg B "On the other hand, a young lad who started at the same time as me was performing to acclaim within 18 months." Have they unearthed his corpse yet? |
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18 Jun 07 - 01:14 PM (#2080096) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,Phil Williams Put Elliot Grasso into YouTube. He must have started 10 years before he was born. |
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18 Jun 07 - 03:07 PM (#2080178) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: villandeleted I think this bloke who plays Uillean pipes in this band is rather good Cara |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:13 PM (#2080364) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca I don't believe that it takes that long. A fellow, Glenn Coolen, is a GHB and has been for a long time. He got a set of Uillean Pipes about 4 or 4 years ago, and is doing amazing things with them. |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:18 PM (#2080370) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: CharleyO'Neill Just out of interest, anyone know what other records Christy picked on this show? |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:21 PM (#2080372) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Bonnie Shaljean I think it's poetic license rather than to be taken literally, i.e. that proper mastery is something that not only has to be worked for, but also given time to grow & bloom. I second, third, and fourth Phil's comments about Elliot Grasso (an American) who has been getting a lot of airplay here (Ireland) on the trad radio shows. The man is BRILLIANT - |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:44 PM (#2080391) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: concertina ceol If you would care to read my comment above you'll see where the 21 year figure came from in gaelic/druidic society. |
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18 Jun 07 - 06:55 PM (#2080404) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Steve Shaw I thought it was ill 'un. I have my reasons. |
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18 Jun 07 - 07:14 PM (#2080426) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: MartinRyan Give up all this woolly thinking - join the Union! Regards |
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18 Jun 07 - 09:34 PM (#2080593) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: DannyC Elliot Grasso did get a very young start on the pipes with good access to the young piper Kieran O'Hare. Kieran had been taken in by Donna Long (Cherish the Ladies) and was making amazing music with Donna's son, Jesse Smith (Danu / The Tap Room Trio). Priorly -that Lion of the Fiddle - Brendan Mulvihill had lived in that abode in Baltimore, Maryland. They all come by the music honestly. |
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18 Jun 07 - 10:12 PM (#2080649) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Bonnie Shaljean SORRY Concertina Ceol. I did read your post. I just didn't think mine would upset you. I have also heard this statement used less literally in a modern context. Something can have a fixed historical meaning and then mutate or expand over time. The two usages don't have to be mutually exclusive. |
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19 Jun 07 - 04:30 AM (#2080787) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,Chief Pedant Ged - "I hate to be a pedantic kind of bloke but I'm sure its Uilleann. ;-) " I'm sure it's "it's" ! ;-)) |
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19 Jun 07 - 04:55 AM (#2080792) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,Young Buchan Sugwash is right. But I liked the slant put on it by a piper who told me it was 7 years to practice and 7 years to perfect. When I asked what the other 7 were for he said 'To learn to hold the *******! |
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19 Jun 07 - 07:13 AM (#2080883) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: GUEST,Chalkie Thanks for the comments guys and dolls. I think I get the drift, if not the spelling! Beautiful sound though, as are the Northumbrian Pipes. I think I'll stick with me guitar. That's taking me long enough as it is. Cheers
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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19 Jun 07 - 07:36 AM (#2080896) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Big Mick Listen to Bonnie Shaljean. She has it to the knot. I started the pipes at a very late stage in life. If one gets proper tuition, or uses the Na Piobairi Uilleann DVD's, and is willing to work at it a bit, they can become nominally skillful in a bit of time. Probably the larger problem is learning to deal with changing humiditiy, adjusting reeds, etc. Le gach dea-mhéin, Mick |
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19 Jun 07 - 09:35 AM (#2080997) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Dave Hanson Paddy Keenan never had a lesson in his life but is on record as saying he could play the uillean pipes the first time he picked them up. eric |
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19 Jun 07 - 11:37 AM (#2081131) Subject: RE: Uillean Pipes - 21 years to learn? From: Gedpipes Cheif Pedant **** *** or should that be ***** ** *** ;-)) Ged |