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17 Sep 07 - 06:39 PM (#2151461) Subject: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's fatther ?? From: Mr Red Told at a session at Bromyard. the father of Garibaldi, the clown, was a stage performer who had extremely strong legs and his act consisted of amazing leaps. the tune Iron Legs was named after him. So the questions are - Who was Garibadli's father? yea yea Mr Garibaldi (probably) and what is the provenence of the tune? age, composer, etc My searches via alltheweb.com have not revealed anything that I can see as relevant. |
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18 Sep 07 - 02:55 PM (#2152049) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's fatther ?? From: Lynn W Try looking for Grimaldi, not Garibaldi - different chap! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Grimaldi |
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18 Sep 07 - 08:28 PM (#2152299) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's fatther ?? From: Malcolm Douglas Somebody has been reading Barry Callaghan's Hardcore English, I suspect. Barry didn't say where he got that idea, and sadly I can't ask him now. I certainly would have; that title has been nagging me for years, and I had assumed that it was a corruption of 'The Iron League', under which name the tune has also been found. In the couple of years since I last looked into it, quite a bit of new information seems to have appeared, though; and it may well be that the connection with Guiseppe Grimaldi has a good basis. Joseph Grimaldi's Memoirs (largely ghosted by Dickens, it appears) would be a good place to start. |
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19 Sep 07 - 03:07 AM (#2152442) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's fatther ?? From: greg stephens And for a recording of Iron Legs, the tune from William Irwin's collection that the fuss is all about, may I recommend the Boat Band's "A Trip to the Lakes". |
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19 Sep 07 - 04:24 AM (#2152458) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's fatther ?? From: Mr Happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Grimaldi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Garibaldi |
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19 Sep 07 - 05:58 AM (#2152492) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's father ?? From: GUEST,Fogie I stand corrected - it was of course not Garibaldi - and after 3 pints of Stella I was lucky to remember it began with a G andi anded in an i - very good wikipedia info. |
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19 Sep 07 - 10:02 AM (#2152626) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's father ?? From: Mr Happy http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/cgi/abc/tuneget?F=MIDI&U=/~jc/music/abc/Contra/reel/Iron_Legs.abc&X=54=IRONLEGS Click on midi to hear tune |
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19 Sep 07 - 12:28 PM (#2152698) Subject: RE: Iron Legs & Garibaldi's father ?? From: Mr Red Garibaldi - doesn't that just take the biscuit? Bromyard must have some gurt good cider - Grimaldi of course but the memory is not as strong as the cider. so it is true, maybe.......... That is a bit clearer. Thanks for the info. |
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06 Jun 22 - 12:18 AM (#4143427) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: GUEST,Email from Ashley H Hi Joe I am undertaking some research on Joseph Grimaldi and would be most grateful if you could help me locate sheet music or a recording, to the original melody, of “hot codlins” Which was one of his most famous songs. I would be most grateful can you help! Best wishes Ashley |
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06 Jun 22 - 01:09 AM (#4143431) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: Joe Offer Wikipedia (click) says that Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1837) was an English actor, comedian and dancer, who became the most popular English entertainer of the Regency era. YouTube has an album by Daniel and Laura Curtis titled The Pantomime Life of Joseph Grimaldi (click) The two songs requested are "Iron Legs" and "Hot Codlins." Can anyone help with either? And do Iron Legs and Hot Codlins have any connection to Joseph Grimaldi the 19th-century English clown> Here's a recording of "Hot Codlins" by the Grimaldi Band: And here's a live performance of "Hot Codlins" by a clown, so it DOES appear to be connected to Grimaldi the clown: Wikipedia says:
And here's a "Hot Codlins" cartoon: So, what about "Iron Legs"? Joe |
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06 Jun 22 - 01:12 AM (#4143432) Subject: ADD: Hot Codlings (Dibdin & Whitaker) From: Joe Offer HOT CODLINGS (Written and composed by Charles Dibdin Jnr. & John Whitaker - 1819) A little old woman her living she got By selling hot codlings, hot, hot, hot And this little old woman whose codlings sold Tho' her codlings were hot, she felt herself cold So to keep herself warm, she thought it no sin To fetch for herself a quartern of RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. This little old woman set off at a trot To fetch herself a quartern of hot! hot! hot! She swallowed one glass, and it was so nice She tipped off another in a trice The glass she filled till the bottle shrunk And this little old woman she got RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. This little old woman, while muzzy she got Some boys stole her codlings hot, hot, hot, Powder under her pan put, and in it round stones Says the little old woman, 'These apples have bones' The powder the pan in her face did send Which sent the old woman on her latter RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. The little old woman then up she got All in a fury hot, hot, hot, Says she, 'Such boys never were known They never will let an old woman alone.' Now here is a moral, round let it buz If you mean to sell codlins, never get RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. Written and composed by Charles Dibdin Jnr. & John Whitaker - 1819 Performed by Sam Cowell (1820-1864) Performed by Joseph Grimaldi (1779-1837) Performed by Tom Mathews (1805-1989) Source: https://monologues.co.uk/musichall/Songs-H/Hot-Codlings.htm Another recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVtR2UVM9gU Here's the entry on the song by the Traditional Ballad Index: Hot CodlingsDESCRIPTION: "A little old woman her living she got By selling hot codlings hot, hot, hot." But she feels cold, so she seeks "a quartern of RI tol iddy iddy iddy...." She drinks a whole bottle, and boys steal her codlings while she is drunk. She warns of drunkennessAUTHOR: unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1926 (Scott); said to have been sung by Grimaldi in 1828 and earlier KEYWORDS: food commerce drink humorous FOUND IN: REFERENCES (2 citations): Scott-EnglishSongBook, pp. 58-59, "Hot Codlings" (1 text, 1 tune) Wolf-AmericanSongSheets, #907, p. 61, "Hot Codlins" (3 references) Roud #13942 NOTES [37 words]: Grimaldi seems to have been the first to sing this song, but its real fame may have arisen from its use by others; Wolf, p. 61, lists three broadsides, with the credit "as sung by the great Comic Vocalist, Tony Pastor." - RBW Last updated in version 3.5 File: ScED058 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2022 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
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06 Jun 22 - 01:25 AM (#4143434) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: Manitas_at_home Iron Legs was the nickname of Joseph Grimaldi senior who was famed for his jumping abilities. |
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06 Jun 22 - 02:26 AM (#4143437) Subject: ADD Version: Hot Codlins From: Joe Offer There are many entries in the Roud Index, but most of them seem very much the same. Very few are attributed to any particular songwriter. Here's the version from Page 287 of The Universal Songster, or Museum of Mirth (1825), available for download from many sources but containing only lyrics, not melodies. HOT CODLINS A little old woman her living she got By selling hot codlins, hot! hot! hot! And this little old woman who codlins sold, Though her codlins were hot, thought she herself cold; So to keep herself warm, she thought it no sin, To fetch for herself a quartern of — Ri tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. This little old woman set off at a trot, To fetch herself a quartern of hot! hot! hot! She swallowed one glass, and, it was so nice, She tipt off another in a trice; The glass she filled till the bottle shrunk, And this little old woman they say, she got — RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. This little old woman, while muzzy she got, Some boys stole her codlins hot! hot! hot! Powder under her pan put, and in it round stones; Says the little old woman, 'These apples have bones' The powder the pan in her face did send, Which sent the old woman on her latter — RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. The little old woman then up she got, All in a fury, hot! hot! hot! Says she, 'Such boys, sure, never were known They never will let an old woman alone.' Now here is a moral, round let it buz If you mean to sell codlins, never get — RI tol iddy Iddy, iddy, iddy, Ri tol iddy, iddy, ri tol lay. |
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06 Jun 22 - 09:20 AM (#4143469) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: Raggytash "And the people applaud for Grimaldi the clown and the crowds eating out his hand the posters acclaim him the talk of the town and the funniest man in the land" Taken from a song by Peter Bond on the album he made with Tim Laycock and Bill Caddick, the album is named "With a duck on his head" The song (roughly) is about a fight with depression. |
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07 Jun 22 - 10:49 AM (#4143602) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: Steve Gardham Hot Codlins with music is in The English Song Book by W. Scott, 1926, p59. It may be archived on the net somewhere but copies turn up in charity shops. I culled my copy some time ago. But I have Sam Cowell's copy with tune in his 120 Comic Songs which I can easily scan and email to anyone who wants to pm me with their email address. |
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08 Jun 22 - 02:32 PM (#4143693) Subject: RE: Joseph Grimaldi (1778-1838)-seeking compositions From: Steve Gardham There are at least 2 substantial books on the life of Joe Grimaldi. I have one to hand and the other one hidden somewhere, probably the loft. |