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29 Dec 07 - 10:14 AM (#2224287) Subject: BS: Gaelic word. From: GUEST,Monoglot. A friend wrote a word in an E-Mail, and thinks it's Gaelic (I don't know whether Scottish or Irish etc). I couldn't find it in a Dictionary; the word was "Fuinseog" (which might have been supposed to be "Fuinse Og"?) Can anyone help? |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:19 AM (#2224293) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Sorcha Fuinseog is ash tree. (I looked it up) |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:19 AM (#2224294) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Emma B Crann fuinseog is the ash tree |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:22 AM (#2224298) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Sorcha Beat ya Em! hee hee |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:53 AM (#2224316) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: GUEST,Monoglot Okay, it was a very small Dictionary that I used! Thanks for quick response; could some one now please oblige by giving a phonetic pronunciation? Would it be "Foon-shock", say, or "Finn-shoch" or what? |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:56 AM (#2224321) Subject: BS: Pronunciation of a Gaelic word From: GUEST,Monoglot Just in case Sorcha or Emma don't read my last posting to the thread they already answered, could they or anyone else please help with a phonetic pronunciation of "Fuinseog", the Ash Tree? Is it, say, "Finn-shoch", or "Foon-shock", or what? Many thanks. |
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29 Dec 07 - 11:18 AM (#2224333) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Declan Pronounced roughly as Fwin (i.e Win with an f sound before it) Shogue (rhymes with Brogue, Pogue). |
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29 Dec 07 - 11:20 AM (#2224335) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: GUEST,Monoglot Thanks, Declan; very clear. |
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29 Dec 07 - 03:40 PM (#2224520) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Mrrzy Was it the Christian Brothers in Ireland who invented the impossible spelling for Gaelic, and was it done on purpose to promote Latin? |
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29 Dec 07 - 04:12 PM (#2224535) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: ard mhacha I hear they also invented the long-winded German words. |
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29 Dec 07 - 06:44 PM (#2224609) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Big Mick litriú dodhéanta ? cé dó ? Le gach dea-mhéin, Micheal Mhor |
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29 Dec 07 - 06:58 PM (#2224615) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Dave the Gnome Bill Bryson reckons the Irish language was invented by two commities. One for the spoken language and one for the written. And the two never met:-) Dave |
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30 Dec 07 - 03:11 AM (#2224738) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Wolfgang There are no long-winded German words. Never. We merely leave out the blanks between the successive words if they stand for a single concept, so where you have to write "the winner of the world championship in ice hockey" and the French even have to use nine words after the article to express "le vainqueur du championat du monde en hockey sur glace", the Germans instead of writing the long-winded "der Sieger der Eis Hockey Welt Meister Schaft" simply write Eishockeyweltmeisterschaftssieger. And we write no long-winded sentences either. Wolfgang (:-) |
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30 Dec 07 - 05:08 AM (#2224758) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: ard mhacha Good on you Wolfgang,I have no problem with that Hockey `clothes line` word, I er think. Now as for long-winded sentences there lived not too long ago a little mustached German, who went on and on and on. |
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30 Dec 07 - 06:34 AM (#2224795) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Declan It might not seem so, but the spelling of Irish was actually considerably simplified in the middle of the last (20th) century by the introduction of the Caighdeán Oifigiúl do litriú na Gaeilge. Before that it was much more complex. The title translates as the Official Standard for spelling of Irish (Gaelic). It is pronounced (sort of) like Ky-John If-ig-ool de lit-roo nah Gay-leg-eh. If I am not mistaken this work was carried out by the early Irish Government rather than the Christian Brothers although the CBs probably had a hand in it somewhere. My experience of a CB School was that there were many who loved the Irish language even more so than Latin. We had one particular Brother who used to throw you out of the classroom for speaking English - even during the English Lesson. |
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30 Dec 07 - 07:02 AM (#2224802) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan Wolfgang I've been known to claim that I abandoned my attempts at learning German when, on holidays in Austria many years ago, I spotted the cap badge worn by our bus-driver. It had just one word on it: fremdenverkehrsverbandwagenfuehrer ! I tried to imagine writing poetry in such a language - and failed! Regards |
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30 Dec 07 - 03:03 PM (#2225032) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: ard mhacha fremdenverkehrsverbandwagenfuehrer, wasn`t Ward Bond a wagon master, never mind Wolfgang, Berlin was brilliant,the people were helpful and friendly, well worth a visit. |
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30 Dec 07 - 03:12 PM (#2225040) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan I look forward to visiting Berlin at some stage. On a recent vist to Croatia I found myself having to delve in the depths of my memory to produce some German - given that both Croat and Italian are terra incognita to me (Latin pedants please keep off!) Regards |
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30 Dec 07 - 07:12 PM (#2225167) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Mrrzy And no long-winded sentences do you write, surely? |
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30 Dec 07 - 08:10 PM (#2225188) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan Frequently! But I try to keep the words themselves short and to the point! Regards p.s.I take the serious point that complexity can be introduced at more than one level. |
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30 Dec 07 - 09:54 PM (#2225237) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: GUEST "the impossible spelling for Gaelic" How about English? Phlugh = fluff (PH as in phone; Gh as in enough) "fluff" |
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31 Dec 07 - 03:57 PM (#2225726) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: GUEST,guest12 hi everyone, my brother and I are looking at getting a tatto with the irish gaelic word for brothers which we think is dearthaireacha also if this is the right word how would it look in the irish gaelic alphabet, thanks for your help. |
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31 Dec 07 - 05:36 PM (#2225785) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan If you'd like to do it in the "old" Gaelic script (controversy alert!), both "h"'s will be replaced by a dot over the previous consonant. You'll also need an accent ("fada" in Gaelic) over the SECOND "a". I think I have details somwhere of a site that provides the old script. I'll see if I can find it. Regards |
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01 Jan 08 - 12:08 PM (#2226189) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan There's an account and some samples in Wikipedia Regards |
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02 Jan 08 - 12:21 PM (#2226735) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: McGrath of Harlow How do German dictionaries cope with that approach to word making? I mean with newly bolted together big words, do they just put in the bits, like fuhrer and bandwagen and leave it to the reader to make sense of the agglomeration? As for Gaelic, it'd be a lot simpler if something more like the Manx Gaelic spelling conventions had been applied in the Irish and Scottish variants. Too late for that though. |
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02 Jan 08 - 12:36 PM (#2226748) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Newport Boy Ah, Wolfgang - you don't understand. :-) I tried to imagine writing poetry in such a language - and failed! Poetry is as much about the words you don't use, as those you do. One of my favourites is Herbsttag, by Rilke. Herr: es ist Zeit. Der Sommer war sehr groß. Leg deinen Schatten auf die Sonnenuhren, und auf den Fluren laß die Winde los. Befiehl den letzten Früchten voll zu sein; gieb ihnen noch zwei südlichere Tage, dränge sie zur Vollendung hin und jage die letzte Süße in den schweren Wein. Wer jetzt kein Haus hat, baut sich keines mehr. Wer jetzt allein ist, wird es lange bleiben, wird wachen, lesen, lange Briefe schreiben und wird in den Alleen hin und her unruhig wandern, wenn die Blätter treiben. No long compund words, a wonderful selection of images, and hardly a harsh guttural in sight. German is a beautiful language. Phil |
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02 Jan 08 - 12:51 PM (#2226761) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: MartinRyan Wolfgang understands very well! It's poor, confused Martin, out in the Celtic mist, who's struggling! ;-) Regards |
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02 Jan 08 - 01:13 PM (#2226781) Subject: RE: BS: Gaelic word. From: Newport Boy Thanks, Martin - sorry, Wolfgang. I must be more careful when quoting. Phil |