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03 Jan 08 - 07:25 AM (#2227309) Subject: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Hamish Imlach |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:31 AM (#2227313) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Dave Hanson Mike Absalom. eric |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:32 AM (#2227316) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Dave Hanson Well.........at one point he was called ' The Mighty Absalom ' eric |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:40 AM (#2227320) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Bloody hell! I remember him. Natasha the Flasher, that was his show stopper. I saw him at Lytham Cricket Club, him and Bernard Wrigley... |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:40 AM (#2227321) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bee-dubya-ell Burl Ives |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:41 AM (#2227322) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: C. Ham Anybody remember the F.F.A. -- Fat Folksingers of America? |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:50 AM (#2227327) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle No I missed that one, do tell! |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:55 AM (#2227329) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bryn Pugh Ewan McColl and Peggy Seeger |
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03 Jan 08 - 08:00 AM (#2227331) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bonnie Shaljean Carolyn Hester, at least in the US. Or - had her heyday passed by 1960? |
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03 Jan 08 - 08:15 AM (#2227337) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bee-dubya-ell Cass Elliot - Well, she started out in folk music anyway... |
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03 Jan 08 - 08:44 AM (#2227346) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: C. Ham If I remember well, the F.F.A. was a creation on Minneapolis guys like Scott Alarik (the Boston Globe folk critic) and Dakota Dave Hull back in the 1970s. There was a membership card that featured Wimpy with a burger and a Latin motto that translated to "I may be fat, but I'm not stupid." |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:01 AM (#2227354) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST,Question Mark The Kingston Trio. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:11 AM (#2227359) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Mr Happy Johnny Silvo, here - Yippee! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_XK1MNtUUP4 |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:17 AM (#2227366) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Rapparee Theodore Bikel |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:22 AM (#2227370) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST,Wot Chad Mitchell Trio. Martin Carthy. Peter, Paul and Mary. Dubliners. Kind of a pointless thread, but wh am I to talk, as I've posted to it. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:38 AM (#2227385) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Janice in NJ South African folk singer, actress, and human rights activist Miriam Makeba, small in stature, but a giant in the world of music and beyond. Among her many awards are the 1966 Grammy for Best Folk Recording (shared with Harry Belafonte, another giant) and the 1986 UN Dag Hammarskjold Peace Prize. At age 75 she is still performing. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:38 AM (#2227386) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Dave Hanson I first saw Mike Absalom and Christy Moore on the same night at the Grass Roots Folk Club in Halifax, West Yorkshire in the late sixties, Mike was the guset and Christy did a floor spot, the cheeky bugger sang one of Mike Absaloms songs as well, ' London West 14 ' eric |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:43 AM (#2227388) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Severn What ABOUT them? The original thread this spun off of afforded the occaisional glimpse of a lot of good oral history (though not with the comprehensive focus that made the Merlin Banjo thread's chronicle of the Chicago scene so enjoyable a while back) and got a few old friends back in touch with each other. This one seems to alternate between those who think big means cataloging sales figures and those shouting "Fat, fat, the water rat!". Is somebody actually going to take this somewhere comparable to the original and discuss these people? |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:57 AM (#2227400) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Not necessarily... Ralph McTell - 189cms tall. Honorary member of the longinus society - according to his biography. (they waived the rules for Ralph, you should be 190cms tall) I often think an imposing stature must be a nice thing to have. In places without a stage or a high stool to sit on, they can still see you at the back. |
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03 Jan 08 - 10:17 AM (#2227425) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Mr Happy .........other spin-off threads could be: 'Medium Height Unknown 60's folksingers' 'Unknown 60's folksingers of indeterminate size' more? |
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03 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM (#2227457) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Severn ....Or one could either talk about the ins and outs of being large and singing folk, or fill out acecdotes only hinted at by the likes of C.Ham's Minneapolis post. ....Or if you're talking in terms of popularity, maybe talk of the life of those hwo achieved it and maybe shed light on the playing of bigger venues, much as the original thread spoke of the small local coffeehouses and clubs. |
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03 Jan 08 - 11:05 AM (#2227468) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST,squeezeboxhp Alex campbell Brenda Wooton Rog Sutcliffe Dave Brady Christy was on home ground in Halifax then Nadia Cathouse Wiz Jones/ Pete Stanley Barbara Dickson The Singing Jenny in Wood St Huddersfield booked most of the travelling 60s folk acts With Brian Lawton the usual MC and a vast number of free good quality floor singers (those were the days of proper folk clubs) |
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03 Jan 08 - 11:17 AM (#2227478) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle AH! Mike was the GUEST! I get it now! When you put Mike was the guset, Eric, I immediately thought of knickers, and thought - another reference to Natasha the Flasher. |
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03 Jan 08 - 11:25 AM (#2227486) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Newport Boy Ah - if we're talking tall there was Long John Baldry. A great blues singer in his early days - I first heard him in 1957. He became big later, when he turned a bit mainstream. Phil |
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03 Jan 08 - 11:50 AM (#2227511) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Mr Happy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=okK1LXHoUeo FAB! |
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03 Jan 08 - 12:42 PM (#2227568) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: PoppaGator Dave Van Ronk: physically imposing AND a hugely important artist. |
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03 Jan 08 - 12:55 PM (#2227581) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: topical tom Tom Paxton Bob Gibson The New Christy Minstrels The Sendipity Singers Arlo Guthrie The Travellers |
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03 Jan 08 - 01:27 PM (#2227603) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Don Firth Pete Seeger is pretty tall. So is half-sister Peggy. Don Firth |
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03 Jan 08 - 01:30 PM (#2227605) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: goatfell the corries, Gaberlunzie |
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03 Jan 08 - 02:40 PM (#2227651) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Little Robyn I once stood next to Peter Paul and Mary and boy, were they tall! OK, I'm a bit vertically challenged but all three towered over me. Hamish Henderson was quite rotund. Lee Hays was big too. Robyn |
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03 Jan 08 - 02:59 PM (#2227662) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: RiGGy Alright, I was beaten to the punch with my hero Dave Van Ronk. He WAS that exquisite Greenwich Village folk scene, alway visible and accessable. That his record cover would show him singing on the stoop of the original Folklore Center on MacDougal was so appropriate. He was often in the bar next door [ name ? ] singing for free and willing to informally show the key licks of Cocaine or another of his signature pieces. I heard He Was A Friend Of Mine on Hober.com 2 days ago and broke into tears over it. There was a NJ radio station [WNJR] that aired Jerry White's folkshow on SatNites. Somehow they got into a deal with Palisades Park, across the GW Bridge from the Upper West Side, to host a folk event every week in the Banjo Palace inside, the 35 cent admission being the only charge to attend. Dave was there every week, along with Pat Sky, Buffy, Phil Ochs, and more. I was still a teenager & got so much out of just hanging out with these heroes of mine. Especially Dave Van Ronk. Riggy |
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03 Jan 08 - 03:30 PM (#2227685) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Alonzo M. Zilch (inactive) I think the bar you mean was the Kettle of Fish. It was upstairs from the Gaslight Cafe. |
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03 Jan 08 - 03:50 PM (#2227700) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Bob Gibson's sometime ally, Hamilton Camp The New Lost City Ramblers Rambling Jack Elliot The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem Art Podell and Paul Potash, aka Art & Paul Sam Hinton The Journeymen Malvina Reynolds (" the Little Boxes" lady) Instrumentalist Paul Prestopino |
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03 Jan 08 - 04:14 PM (#2227726) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Whenever you mention Dave Van Ronk, you oughta mention occasional mudcatter Elijah Wald's terrific biography of Dave, The Mayor of MacDougal Street. MacDougal Street as place to gig is also dear to memory of England's Jack Hudson, another big lad. Take a look America - see what you've been missing too long:- http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jackhudsonvideo&search=Search |
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03 Jan 08 - 06:04 PM (#2227813) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Stringsinger Big meaning huge or fat? Or important such as Pete Seeger? In the Sixties, there was so much going on in the Folk Scare that it would be hard to pinpoint any people. My choice for important: Pete Seeger, Jean Ritchie, McColl and Seeger, Lloyd, and my friends which makes my choice more subjective, Erik Darling, Odetta, Roger McGuinn, Lee Hays, and as a songwriter, maybe Don McLean (who was innovative), Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, The New Lost City Ramblers, and on a more commercial level, PP and M and Belafonte. Gotta' include the KT too. Scruggs and Reno, and Monroe (although I never really liked him). Bluegrass popularity stems from these folks. Pete Seeger blazed the trail for most of these performers and they all owe him something for the recognition of their careers. Jean Ritchie introduced so many to the real traditional American music. She is underrecognized as being one of the finest songwriters around. MacColl and Llloyd were towering influences in the UK folk scene. The Clancy's and Tommy opened the door for the interest in Irish traditional music in the US on a popularized level. They were not the Comhaltas Ceoltori Eireann which had been promoting Irish music for years but they did so much to bring it to American audiences attention. I think Roger McGuinn was the real innovator of "Folk Rock". Erik influenced many without receiving much credit. His stint with the Weavers kept that group alive during the Sixties. "Walk Right In" was a precursor of "folk-rock". Odetta was a lovely symbol of an emerging woman's Black artist in folk. Lee Hays as a humorist was a Will Rogers of his day. I believe he was an influence, (but I can't prove it) on Garrison Keillor. Don McClean was more of a popular songwriter with "American Pie" (highly influential because it was the first single recording lasting more than the standard 3 minutes on the radio). Joan Baez everyone knows about. Judy Collins introduced a high degree of musicianship to the folk scene as a well-developed singer. Belafonte bridged the gap between the commerical Calypso craze during the Fifties into his stature as a Black artist on a popular level. The New Lost City Ramblers was a major influence in the interest of college kids to the early country recordings of the 1920's. PPand M and the KT were widely popular and influential as entertainers representing the idea of folk music in the Sixties. Undoubtably there are names that for my own personal reasons, I have left out. I won't mention them since somebody else probably will. I think Willie Nelson is a "folksinger" in a general sense and worthy of mention. What about "Pentagle" and "Steeleye Span" on the Brit scene? Were they influential? Frank Hamilton |
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03 Jan 08 - 06:04 PM (#2227814) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Phil Cooper C. Ham, I was a member of FFA. Jeff Cahill gave me my membership card, which I kept proudly for years. Walter Craft and Lee Murdock showed me the secret handshake and sign. I think Cahill and Van Mertz told me the FFA's "good news/bad news" joke. I've dropped a bit of weight since then, but still consider myself an FFA at heart. |
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03 Jan 08 - 07:20 PM (#2227852) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Big leaving room for Empsonian ambiguity....! |
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03 Jan 08 - 08:29 PM (#2227890) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Art Thieme As an original and founding member of the Fat Folksingers Of America, I must say that I resemble that remark!! I carried the membership card for many years---with it's lovely drawing by Molly Swisher on the front of Wimpy about to down a huge burger that he was holding in front of his mouth. The motto, "I may be fat, but I'm not stupid" in Italian --- was boldly emblazoned across the top of the card. To join, as an initiation, one had to go up to Odetta and inform her that she was a member!!!! Somehow, we were ALL allowed to join the group without having told her that austere fact. Nobody ever had the balls to do it even though we ALL did actually have balls. (As a result, no women were ever in the group that I can remember!??) I seem to think this grand fraternity started at the Stevens Point, Wisconsin gathering of folksingers a few decades ago where we began another folk organization called HEY RUBE - a union of like-minded folkies trying to maximize our incomes while not selling out. What dreamers we were!!! And, as Robert Frost once said, "THAT HASA MASDE ALL THE DIFFERENCE!!" Art Thieme |
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03 Jan 08 - 08:52 PM (#2227906) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Little Hawk Is no one mentioning "..............." to prove something? And if so, what? We ARE talking about Big Known 60's folksingers, right? I note, though, that someone did finally break down and mentioned Joan Baez. Burl Ives, I feel, was much more a 50's folksinger than a 60's folksinger. Same goes for a number of the other names mentioned, not that they weren't quite notable AS folksingers. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:18 PM (#2227918) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bugsy Bob Dylan, Richie Havens, Derroll Adams. Bill Clifton, Derek Brimstone, Ralph McTell, Noel Murphy & Davey Johnson (Of Elton John band fame) a.k.a Murph & Shaggis. Cheers Bugsy |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:20 PM (#2227920) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bugsy Oh, and Davey Graham, and Bert Jansch, and John Renbourne, and John Pearse. Cheers Bugsy |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:28 PM (#2227925) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Rapparee Ian Tyson, Sylvia Tyson, Gordon Lightfoot, Bruce Murdoch, Bob Dylan, Richard and Mimi Farina, Phil Ochs, Patrick Sky. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:59 PM (#2227942) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Rapparee John Denver. |
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03 Jan 08 - 09:59 PM (#2227943) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: sheila Little Robyn - Hamish Henderson was not at all rotund back in the 60s! He was tall, though. |
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04 Jan 08 - 03:38 AM (#2228024) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Backwoodsman Jack Hudson (in the UK). (Well he's bigger than me). :-) |
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04 Jan 08 - 04:44 AM (#2228043) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Little Robyn He was in 1972. Robyn |
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04 Jan 08 - 05:36 AM (#2228066) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST Julie Felix |
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04 Jan 08 - 06:14 AM (#2228088) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Backwoodsman And in the 60's Robyn! :-) |
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04 Jan 08 - 06:15 AM (#2228089) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Splott Man The Ian Campbell Folk Group Sonny Terry & Brownie McGee The Corries Robin Hall & Jimmy MacGregor Roy Harris Cyril Tawney |
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04 Jan 08 - 06:18 AM (#2228090) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Backwoodsman Un-named GUEST - I had the honour of 'looking' after and presenting Julie Felix about three years ago at the Gainsborough Folk Festival, Lincolnshire, UK. She was sensational, brought the house down. Her version of 'Boots of Spanish Leather' was one of the best I've ever heard - she ain't got the guitar technique of a Martin Simpson or Martin Carthy for sure, but the still breathes fire in her vocal performance! Powerful and stunning! |
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04 Jan 08 - 04:05 PM (#2228504) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Joe & Eddie, the gospel influenced folk duo from the early 1960's, had a powerful delivery and were electrifying on stage. Had one of them not died in an auto accident following a performance in LA in 1964, they would be better remembered. |
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04 Jan 08 - 04:18 PM (#2228522) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: PoppaGator Joe and Eddie were great. I had completely forgotten about them until I saw the movie "Hootenanny Hoot" on TCM last year. They really stood out as the most timeless act among the entire cast; their high-energy gospel harmonies would still sound "contemporary" today. |
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04 Jan 08 - 05:11 PM (#2228564) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Big Al Whittle Rosie Hardman |
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04 Jan 08 - 05:37 PM (#2228590) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bobert Pete Seegar Bob Dylan Pozo Seeko Singers Peter, Paul and Mary Joan Biaz Judy Collins Paul Seibel Richie Havens Tom Paxton Tennessee Earnie Ford The Kingston Trio Johnny Hartford And that's without havin' to work up a sweat... B~ |
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04 Jan 08 - 05:38 PM (#2228591) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Bobert Oh yeah, don't forget John Stewert and Eric Anderson... |
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04 Jan 08 - 06:33 PM (#2228620) Subject: RE: Big Known 60's folksingers From: Rapparee The Highwaymen Don Firth and Bob Nelson Buffy St. Marie |