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27 Feb 08 - 12:11 PM (#2273797) Subject: BS: Obit - William F Buckley From: Wesley S Just reported: William F Buckley Obit |
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27 Feb 08 - 12:14 PM (#2273801) Subject: RE: BS: Obit - William F Buckley From: Bill D boy...THAT's the end of an era! *images of him licking his lips as he spoke still in my head* |
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27 Feb 08 - 12:16 PM (#2273805) Subject: RE: BS: Obit - William F Buckley From: Rapparee I didn't agree with what he said, but he made MUCH more sense than those we have now. |
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27 Feb 08 - 12:35 PM (#2273838) Subject: RE: BS: Obit - William F Buckley From: gnu Yeah... and leaning his head back and fiddling with his pencil while he let out that long drawl.... noooooowwwwww, letussay thaaaaat... He sure made a lot of people think... and squirm. |
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27 Feb 08 - 12:37 PM (#2273840) Subject: RE: BS: Obit - William F Buckley From: Bill D He was an honest, worthy opponent.... |
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27 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM (#2273869) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley From: Stilly River Sage He wrote some pretty funny mysteries as well. Great speaker and interviewer; even though I didn't agree with him that often, I understood where he stood! SRS |
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27 Feb 08 - 01:58 PM (#2273928) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Skivee I always enjoyed hating listening to him. There is currently a demonstrable paucity of erudition in public political discourse, whatever the spectral positioning of the participants. It seems certain that this event will do nothing to improve the current state of affairs. Sleep well, oh patrician progenitor of reasoned conservatism. |
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27 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM (#2273936) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Mrrzy Wow. Another I thought had already left... I am *so* out of touch! |
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27 Feb 08 - 03:11 PM (#2273985) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: john f weldon I hated his ideas, his ideologies, and often his snotty mannerisms. I didn't even like his spy stories that much, so loaded with American RealPolitick. But I kept on reading his damn books, and sometimes watching him on TV. It's much more fun dealing with a devil with a bit of wit and cleverness than the hopeless gang of right-wing clods that frequent today's airwaves. |
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27 Feb 08 - 03:15 PM (#2273990) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: john f weldon An odd thought... ...when I used to watch him, I would often get the feeling that he didn't really believe much of what he said. He loved the process of rhetoric, I felt that he simply found it more challenging to defend untenable positions than tenable ones. |
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27 Feb 08 - 03:55 PM (#2274017) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: catspaw49 He was the classic conservative and more appalled at the neocons and the religious right than any of todays "liberals." His opinions may have been disagreeable to some but they were well reasoned and voiced clearly. As Bill said, a worthy opponent........and one with much to admire. He may have loved the sound of his own voice but he never failed to impress me with the quality of his thoughts especially when I didn't share his opinion. He made me think. How often can you say that in this world today? Name me a politico or a commentator or analyst who makes you think. Is there anyone on the political scene in any capacity today who challenges your mind, your ideas, your beliefs? I used to read him faithfully because I was challenged in my beliefs by him. His health had failed the past few years but his mind was still sharp if not as productive as before. William F. Buckley Jr. .........His type is gone from the American landscape and while some will say good riddance I will miss him. Its almost like watching the extinction of a species.......LOL.......Can you imagine a commentators discussion today such as the one between Buckley and Vidal in 1968? For what you did for this radical lefty, Rest in Peace Sir, though I somehow doubt you will. Spaw |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:05 PM (#2274025) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: autolycus i Skivee - PM Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:58 PM Sleep well, oh patrician progenitor of reasoned conservatism. 'reasoned conservatism' a contradiction in terms. Ivor |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:26 PM (#2274042) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Wesley S 'reasoned conservatism' a contradiction in terms. I disagree but that's a topic for another time. I'll just say that sometimes those conservative ideas are expressed and articulated well. And usually Buckley was the one doing it. |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:31 PM (#2274047) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: dwditty Perhaps my most memorable TV-watching moment came when I happened on the Dinah Shore SHow with Buckley as the co-host for the week. What made it extroadinary was the interview they both conducted with Tom Waits after his extra long rendition of Tom Traubert's Blues. Buckley was enthralled with Wait's mind, and watching the two of them at play was utterly fantastic. dw |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:39 PM (#2274052) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: robomatic A Gentleman and A Scholar RIP, WFB |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:40 PM (#2274054) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Bill Hahn//\\ And he recently came out with a book of comments by him and people corresponding with him---"Cancel YOur Own Damned Subscription". Ironic. Bill Hahn |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:54 PM (#2274069) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Big Mick Well said by all. I agree wholeheartedly. For him to be classed with Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, or any of these conservative yahoo's running around today is a blasphemy. He was honorable, full of himself, incredibly well read, and thought things through. I rarely agreed with him, but like Spaw, was always challenged by his ideas. He was one of those folks I just wished I could sit and jaw with. Mick |
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27 Feb 08 - 04:55 PM (#2274071) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: DougR Well said, Spaw. DougR |
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27 Feb 08 - 05:03 PM (#2274090) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: John Hardly I'd trade 28 of the top 30 political commentator on today's conservative side for just one more WFB. And I'd trade all the liberals... ...except it'd be much more fun to have WFB back with the liberals still around. |
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27 Feb 08 - 05:15 PM (#2274096) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Little Hawk My mother will no doubt be celebrating Buckley's departure. She hated him with a vitriolic hatred...that's her standard reaction toward anyone she doesn't like on the political scene. At the moment that would include Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and John McCain... She loves Obama, however, and also likes Huckabee (his personality, that is, if not his specific policies). Strange, isn't it, Doug? |
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27 Feb 08 - 05:38 PM (#2274113) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Wesley S "He wrote more than 50 books over his lifetime, managed to visit every continent and played harpsichord concertos," I never knew he was a harpsichord player. |
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27 Feb 08 - 08:37 PM (#2274292) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Greg B And a sailor, let's not forget. His trans-oceanic sagas (usually he and a bunch of right wing friends) are wonderful. He could drive a boat with the best of them. He had zero tolerance for unreasoned opinion, on either side of the aisle. Interesting use of a chair, though.... |
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27 Feb 08 - 08:57 PM (#2274305) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: robomatic Buckley was a supreme exponent of his conservative views, but I believe his logic allowed him to stake out his own positions and grounds. He wasn't doctrinaire, rather he helped CREATE the doctrine. Much of what he said, despite being from another political party, was perfectly agreeable. He made conservatives AND liberals better by the quality of his debate. He had real class in the finest sense of that word. I don't recall the name of the bit of classical music that announced "Firing Line" but I always smile when I hear it in my mind. |
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27 Feb 08 - 09:52 PM (#2274328) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Lonesome EJ Buckley was a school pal of Kerouac, Ginsberg, and Burroughs at NYU, so his interest in Waits has some grounding in his history. Anyone remember his near-fisticuffs with Gore Vidal as commentators during the Democratic Convention in 68? |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:21 PM (#2274348) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: mrdux here's one of Buckley's numerous pieces in favor of marijuana law reform, this one in the National Review, an example of intellectually honest conservatism, all too rare these days but by no means inherently oxymoronic. |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:31 PM (#2274352) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Janie While in College At Marshall U. in the very early '70's I attended a lecture he gave during "Impact" week, and later attended a small Q&A gathering with him in a room at the campus Coffee House. Barefooted, bell-bottomed, hippiechick, anti-war, sociology major that I was, I went prepared to inwardly sneer at every word that passed his lips. I came away knowing I had just had one of the best educational experiences I was likely to have, as well as an experience so memorable that much of it is still fresh in my memory after more than 45 years. |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:35 PM (#2274356) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Lonesome EJ Or 35 years, Janie ;>} |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:39 PM (#2274361) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: pdq William F. Buckley had some of his best debates with John Kenneth Galbraith, a worthy opponent. He also exposed Gore Vidal as a total jerk. Buckley regarded John Dos Passos as the father of modern conservatism and his spiritual leader. More people should read William F. Buckley, John Dos Passos and Leo Strauss. All brilliant minds. |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:41 PM (#2274362) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Janie What a relief, LEJ....I was shocked to realize it was that long ago! *sheepish grin* |
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27 Feb 08 - 10:59 PM (#2274378) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: catspaw49 Yeah Leej and I noted that in my post up above when I said "Can you imagine a commentator's discussion today such as the one between Buckley and Vidal in 1968?" The Nazi and the Queer and it damn near came to blows....well a fight anyway.........Sorry, bad joke.......... Spaw |
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27 Feb 08 - 11:37 PM (#2274398) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Lonesome EJ You are gonna catch hell for that one, spaw |
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27 Feb 08 - 11:40 PM (#2274403) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz Rest in Peace... |
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27 Feb 08 - 11:43 PM (#2274407) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: catspaw49 ........Yeah Leej, I know..........Too much "Family Guy" I think............that and the growing lack of humor around here anymore......... Spaw |
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28 Feb 08 - 02:07 PM (#2274977) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Skivee I just saw the Charlie Rose show tribute to Buckley. It reminded me of the man's towering ego, and his towering intellect. There are few people who can pull off this combination and maintain his twinkly charm. He mentioned his harpsichord playing, and the reason that he had stopped performing in public...he made too many mistakes to accept. Good for him. |
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28 Feb 08 - 03:11 PM (#2275048) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Peter T. He was a poisonous monster, and spawned poisonous monsters even more poisonally monstrous, and I shed no tears at his passing. yours, Peter T. |
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28 Feb 08 - 03:42 PM (#2275078) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Skivee Clearly, opinions vary about him. I should think he would have been delighted at this. I am a "lefty" who found him refreshing; a conservative island of reason in a sea of pundit mediocracy. |
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28 Feb 08 - 10:24 PM (#2275371) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Charley Noble Buckley was also able to admit that he was wrong, such as in his opposition to the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960's. In his ideal world there would be no rationale for such acts but years later he was willing to admit that our world was inperfect and sometimes government intervention was needed to protect individual or group rights. I was surprised to learn that he did not grow up in a family, with generations of wealth to support him. Charley Noble |
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29 Feb 08 - 08:48 AM (#2275632) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Amos "In what ways would your life have been different if you had been born female?" -- student journalist "I'd have seduced John Kenneth Galbraith and spared the world much pain." -- William F. Buckley Jr. |
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29 Feb 08 - 08:59 AM (#2275645) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Greg F. He was the premier shill & booster for Ronnie Reagan - & considering the damage done to the country by that gang of clowns- that alone should be sufficient to damn him to one of the lower levels of Hell. |
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29 Feb 08 - 10:28 AM (#2275725) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: john f weldon Well I enjoyed reading and listening to him... And, he's probably finding Heaven a little warmer than he expected... No contradiction there. |
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29 Feb 08 - 10:34 AM (#2275732) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: John Hardly "He was a poisonous monster, and spawned poisonous monsters even more poisonally monstrous, and I shed no tears at his passing. yours, Peter T." This is somehow quite encouraging. |
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29 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM (#2275766) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Peter T. It would be more encouraging if he had taken some others I could name with him. yours, Peter T. |
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29 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM (#2275877) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Skivee "It would be more encouraging if he had taken some others I could name with him. yours, Peter T. " Now there's a statement you and I can agree on. |
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29 Feb 08 - 01:43 PM (#2275894) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: Lonesome EJ He was a poisonous monster with a pretty good sense of humor, Peter. And that redeems him to Limbo, at least in my catechism. |
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29 Feb 08 - 02:00 PM (#2275903) Subject: RE: Obit - William F Buckley (27 Feb 2008) From: John Hardly "It would be more encouraging if he had taken some others I could name with him. yours, Peter T. " Indeed, leaving the world to gentlemen not given to such vitreolic rhetoric as he. |