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31 Aug 08 - 11:56 AM (#2426830) Subject: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Fiddlegrrl Hi everyone, I'm working on a short story inspired by "Lowlands of Holland". The story is for an anthology of comics stories based on folk songs. Looks like I'll be using lyrics in my story. To make life easy, I'd like to find a good version that's already in the public domain. (Which might be tough, in which case I just might write my own. *grin*) One I was considering is LOWLANDS OF HOLLAND 10 in the Digitrad. Does anyone know where this version came from? There's no indication on the Digitrad page. Thanks muchly, Elizabeth |
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31 Aug 08 - 01:27 PM (#2426886) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: michaelr You may safely trust that the song, which dates back to the mid-1700s (see other threads), is well in the public domain. Cheers, Michael |
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31 Aug 08 - 01:27 PM (#2426888) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Malcolm Douglas The tune provided with that one is from P W Joyce, Ancient Irish Music, 1905 (also in Old Irish Folk Music and Songs, 1909) though the transcription is wrongly barred and as usual Noteworthy Composer seems to have interfered with some of the note durations. The text appears to be based on Joyce, but with many alterations and material introduced from elsewhere. Some of the verses are much as quoted from a recording by Patrick Galvin (see thread Lowlands of Holland (from Patrick Galvin) - prior source not named). It may well be a modern collation. Dick Greenhaus entered it, 9 years ago now; perhaps he will remember where he got it from. |
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31 Aug 08 - 01:31 PM (#2426894) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Malcolm Douglas Note that the fact that the original form of a song is old doesn't necessarily mean that all forms of it are in the public domain. A modern collation may have a copyright attached to it, though since no source is acknowledged in the DT for this particular one, it may prove hard to establish one way or the other. |
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31 Aug 08 - 01:35 PM (#2426895) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Susan of DT Child says Lowlands of Holland was in a manuscript from 1776. |
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31 Aug 08 - 01:48 PM (#2426903) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Fiddlegrrl The Joyce reference is very helpful, I'll check out that one and see if I can use it as-is; I might end up writing my own if I can't find something suitable. Thank you, Malcolm, for bringing the awesome (as always)! |
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31 Aug 08 - 05:52 PM (#2427082) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Arkie If you use lyrics from Child's set of Popular Ballads you should not have copyright worries. While I am not an expert on copyright law, I would think that anyone who may have applied for a copyright for words identical to a ballad in the Child collection would have a difficult time proving ownership in court. Lowlands of Holland should make an interesting subject. Here in the Ozarks there is a version called Lily of Arkansas that was collected by Vance Randolph and recorded by Cathy Barton and Dave Para. Are you acquainted with Charles Vess' series of illustrated ballads? He covered Tam Lin, Barbara Allen, King Henry and others. He originally published in the comic book format but the series is now available in one set. You might want to stay away from his subjects. You should also be able to copyright your work. While you could not claim ownership when someone sings or records the ballad you would have recourse if someone were to make unauthorized use of the drawings. Charles Vess |
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31 Aug 08 - 07:06 PM (#2427148) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Barry Finn I would think that if you're not doing this in a ditigal format & are using the lyrics only & not a musical arrangement then you would be safe from the copyright laws applying to you, note, I am not a lawyer! Barry |
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01 Sep 08 - 02:28 AM (#2427369) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: pavane There are also versions to be seen in the Bodleian Ballad collection, which are certainly old enough to be out of copyright. (It is sometimes claimed that the place is 'New Holland', not Holland in Europe, because of references to warm winds, sugar cane, strange fruit on every tree, etc.) |
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04 Sep 08 - 12:42 AM (#2430543) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: Fiddlegrrl Hi Arkie, Charles Vess is a friend, actually; we've both done work for The Endicott Studio. I have BALLADS in every edition, including the floppies, because I'm a dork like that. :) The theme of this comics anthology is "the plight of the common working man" for a lack of a better way to put it - in fact, I might not even have that entirely right, but something like that. Supernatural stuff in this one is a no-no. British Isles prison songs and impressment songs have always fascinated me for some reason and LOWLANDS is told from the lady's point of view... I don't think it *quite* fits in with the theme, but the editors are humoring me! pavane, thank you for reminding me of the Bodleian Ballad collection! I'd completely forgotten. The problem with doing all this research is it's so easy to get lost in it and not write anything! Thanks everyone. |
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04 Sep 08 - 01:26 AM (#2430556) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: pavane How about "Sweet Swansea" Sung by John Kirkpartick on Rose of Britain's Isle (1970's) Can't see it here in a search, so here is the start: The first time I entered sweet Swansea The truth unto you I will tell I was handcuffed and put into prison And locked up in a dark little cell My cell was dark, dismal and dreary No light I could see there at all For the neat little door it was bolted And my bed was a plank by the wall |
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04 Sep 08 - 02:59 AM (#2430578) Subject: RE: 'Lowlands Of Holland' copyright? From: pavane (Joe has posted the whole song in a new thread, Origins: Sweet Swansea)) |