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04 Feb 09 - 02:55 AM (#2556776) Subject: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet I am surveying the members of Mudcat as part of my postgraduate study into Community Folk Heritage. The survey is part of a comparison of Mudcat with another online musical community, The Session (www.thesession.org). If you would like to help me learn more about Mudcat, who catters are and why they like to be involved in this wonderful online phenomenon, follow this link: Online Musical Communities Survey Unless you choose otherwise, your contribution will be anonymous. If you'd like to know more before taking part, please email me at john@cloudstreet.org. With thanks, John Thompson (PS. I cleared this thread with Max prior to posting) |
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04 Feb 09 - 03:17 AM (#2556786) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Barry Finn Done, good luck John Barry |
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04 Feb 09 - 03:20 AM (#2556788) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Rasener Done |
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04 Feb 09 - 03:46 AM (#2556799) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Liz the Squeak I dood it too... I'll clear it up meself then... LTS |
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04 Feb 09 - 03:55 AM (#2556805) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: SteveMansfield Done. Look forward to seeing the digest of the results! |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:16 AM (#2556814) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Little Robyn Done. |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:20 AM (#2556817) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: mouldy All done |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:26 AM (#2556818) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet I'll be posting an anonymous summary of the results in March. Thanks everyone John |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:31 AM (#2556821) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Suegorgeous Done - but can I point out a small error? Q.11 reads "If you answered "yes" to question 9.... " I'm pretty sure this should say "question 10". Might confuse some people! |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:32 AM (#2556823) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Arnie I'm a sucker for these surveys - however, the format is very easy to complete(well I suppose it had to be!)and it only takes 5 mins to complete. When I went to Uni in the '70's I don't recall hearing of degrees in Community Folk Heritage. At that time, this would have involved much time visiting bars and pubs in order to meet folkies and gather material - wonder if a grant was available? |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:37 AM (#2556828) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: gnomad Mine is in. Oddly I had not really reflected on some of those questions before, I'll be interested to see the outcome. |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:46 AM (#2556834) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet Thanks, Suegorgeous. I've fixed that glitch. John |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:47 AM (#2556836) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: The Barden of England Done it too. John Barden |
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04 Feb 09 - 04:48 AM (#2556837) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,doc.tom Done. Be interested in the results, too. |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:09 AM (#2556845) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Ghirotondo at work (cookieless) Done. Lanfranco. |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:09 AM (#2556846) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Bonnie Shaljean Yes, it's an interesting survey with good questions, and I'll be keen to see the results. I hope everybody will take the few minutes necessary to fill it in - it's easy and non-intrusive. Online cyber-communities are something new in society, and this sort of analysis could be quite useful. |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:19 AM (#2556849) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: bubblyrat Done. Be interesting to see the results !! Roger Vaughan Mills |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:33 AM (#2556855) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Will Fly Fecit. |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:35 AM (#2556856) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: My guru always said Done, very interesting! Thanks John! |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:35 AM (#2556858) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Scooby Doo Finished. Scooby |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:37 AM (#2556860) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: freda underhill finished - good luck with your research John! |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:45 AM (#2556864) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: TheSnail Sorry to be picky John but I'm a bit confused by Q. 12. Yes, I do have a "real-world" community in folk music but it doesn't meet the same needs as the online musical community. Yes or No? |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:47 AM (#2556868) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Zen Have completed. Zen |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:50 AM (#2556870) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Colin Randall Also regarding "real world" communities, I would have welcomed a chance to expand on my No. I happen to be living where there are few if any opportunities but in other circumstances, eg back in London or Paris instead of being in the UAE, it would be different. Or maybe it's just my fault for being a temporary expat. |
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04 Feb 09 - 06:06 AM (#2556878) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet HI Colin and Mr Snail. First of all, Mr Snail. I'm really after a "no" in your case. I'm investigating whether there are "real-world" groups that take the place of the online experience. With respect to both, I'm happy to receive some expansion of your experiences by email, if you're prepared to offer them. If you'd like to remain anonymous, just make that clear in the email and I will even delete your identifying info and just store the body of the email for the purposes of the paper. Email to john@cloudstreet.org Thanks again for taking the time to consider the survey. John |
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04 Feb 09 - 06:49 AM (#2556902) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: MartinRyan Done |
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04 Feb 09 - 06:57 AM (#2556907) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: TheSnail Thanks John. Done. |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:05 AM (#2556911) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Dave Sutherland Done too |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:26 AM (#2556921) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Just one thing, I have several "real world musical" communities, three morris teams, a dedicated song club, a choir, three music sessions plus other less frequent associations. It gets a bit difficult to decide how to answer how often I meet them! |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:43 AM (#2556932) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: A Wandering Minstrel faite |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:53 AM (#2556935) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Dave Earl Done. Dave |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:56 AM (#2556939) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works pc Done - interesting to see results! |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:11 AM (#2556950) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Sandra in Sydney me too! I'll be very interested to see what you make of all the surveys & what Graham makes of your research! sandra |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:26 AM (#2556959) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: SINSULL Done |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:29 AM (#2556962) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Beer Done as well. |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:45 AM (#2556971) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Leadfingers Done - I would be interested in how many Catters respond , and the International Spread . |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:48 AM (#2556973) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Trevor Me too. |
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04 Feb 09 - 08:56 AM (#2556984) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: bobad Diddit. |
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04 Feb 09 - 09:08 AM (#2556995) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Mooh Completed. Good luck and all that. Peace, Mooh. |
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04 Feb 09 - 09:11 AM (#2556998) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Nick Done |
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04 Feb 09 - 09:49 AM (#2557018) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Mark Clark fini |
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04 Feb 09 - 10:04 AM (#2557030) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: sharyn I did it, A little feedback for you, John. On surveys, it is very helpful to have an "Other" category and space for explanations in every question because surveys don't reflect the subtleties of real life. For instancem use patterns (How often do you visit the site?). Well, sometimes I don't visit for several months at a time and then I will have a lot of questions about something and visit several times a day for awhile. Not being able to check multiple answers or comment renders my answer useless because whatever I choose from the list is inaccurate. Other than that, it was pretty painless |
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04 Feb 09 - 10:11 AM (#2557032) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Abdul The Bul Bul who could refuse? ........and why they would may make this thread more than a list. |
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04 Feb 09 - 10:17 AM (#2557037) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: RTim Completed as requested - Good Luck. Tim Radford |
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04 Feb 09 - 10:45 AM (#2557059) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Catherine Jayne Done. Best of luck Khatt |
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04 Feb 09 - 10:53 AM (#2557065) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: katlaughing Interesting. I look forward to the conclusions, too. Done. One comment: I know we all know, but it might be better, at the beginning, to note it is the Mudcat "Cafe." (I know I am being pedantic!:-) |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:00 AM (#2557072) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Nancy King All done. Interesting... |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:14 AM (#2557077) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: frogprince Done, though I suspect some of my answers as a non-musician may not be germaine. |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:19 AM (#2557087) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: jacqui.c Done. |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:21 AM (#2557089) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: quokka Thanks for this, John. I would love to see the results. I will PM you...and maybe catch up around Curtin? Cheers, Quokka |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:23 AM (#2557090) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: topical tom Tout fini! Merci! |
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04 Feb 09 - 11:32 AM (#2557098) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: kendall done |
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04 Feb 09 - 12:37 PM (#2557155) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Ann N :) done, look forward to seeing the results and the how widespread we are. |
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04 Feb 09 - 12:41 PM (#2557159) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Bill D I did it, but I'd like to help write the questions for the next one..☺. Some of them are of the order of "why do you like eating & breathing" *grin*.... |
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04 Feb 09 - 01:44 PM (#2557204) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: wysiwyg John, I did it. For clarification of countries' scale and geography, if yer in the UK, check with Leadfingers, John MacKenzie, and others who have traveled internationally for Mudcat Gatherings of various sorts. ~S~ |
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04 Feb 09 - 01:52 PM (#2557215) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Peter the Squeezer Done! |
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04 Feb 09 - 02:17 PM (#2557231) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: VirginiaTam I played survey too. re question 12 I have more than one real world community and I would say they don't meet "same" needs as online community. They are complimentary to online community. |
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04 Feb 09 - 02:50 PM (#2557257) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Partridge done |
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04 Feb 09 - 03:31 PM (#2557289) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: ClaireBear done |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:16 PM (#2557359) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Tangledwood Done John, looking forward to Saturday. :) Mal |
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04 Feb 09 - 06:38 PM (#2557417) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Big Mick All done, bro. Good luck on it. I am anxious to see the results. All the best, Mick |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:05 PM (#2557435) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Phil Edwards Completed. I have to say I'm not sure what you're trying to do here, & in particular why there's the dual focus on The Session and the Mudcat Cafe. I found some of the questions very difficult to answer because of this: I've been 'on' the Mudcat for less than a year, but on The Session for 2-3 years; I currently visit The Session about once a month, the Mudcat daily; and so on. If you wanted participants to answer about their *primary* online community, you should have specified this. Conversely, if you wanted users of both to answer on both, you should have duplicated the questions. Interesting, though. I think the key difference between online and real-world is there's much more distance and much more intimacy online - you can spill your guts with confidence, because it feels that much less 'real'. That's just my perception, though - I'll be interested to know what you come up with. |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:18 PM (#2557446) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Dennis the Elder Thanks , I have completed your survey ,I did not know about thesessions, I will visit the site now and dependant on what I find I may find I will answer the survey you have no doubt posted there. |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:24 PM (#2557453) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: MegW Did it! This is interesting for me because I've been approaching Mudcat as more of a pedagogical and archival site for my own research. It's the history geek in me, I suppose! |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:43 PM (#2557470) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Alice Finished the survey. I used to check into thesession.org once in awhile, but it is not as complete or friendly a place as Mudcat, and I've been here over 10 years. When will you have the results? |
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05 Feb 09 - 12:25 AM (#2557662) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: TRUBRIT double done....... |
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05 Feb 09 - 01:34 AM (#2557682) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet Many thanks to all of those who have completed the survey so far. The count has just passed 400 (running roughly 60% Mudcat visitors). I plan at this stage to leave the survey online and accessible for a month, closing it down on the 3rd of March. I appreciate all of the various perspectives people are bringing to the survey, and will endeavour to incorporate at least the spirit of all the various contributions into my analysis, comparing these two communities. John Thompson |
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05 Feb 09 - 02:14 AM (#2557692) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Gurney Done. |
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05 Feb 09 - 09:18 AM (#2557922) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Newport Boy Done (yesterday - but I've been busy). Phil |
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05 Feb 09 - 09:25 AM (#2557932) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: catspaw49 Done........and as I often do, I agree with Bill. Some of the questions are like asking if I like breathing......actually in my case that would be farting.......... Spaw |
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05 Feb 09 - 12:41 PM (#2558114) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,flyingcat (moira) that's me done too. M |
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05 Feb 09 - 01:06 PM (#2558132) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Sandy Mc Lean Done |
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05 Feb 09 - 07:09 PM (#2558475) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,tinkerbell Done. |
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05 Feb 09 - 07:11 PM (#2558476) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: JennieG Done finished. John, will you be posting the results for us all to see so we can briefly enjoy our 8 seconds of fame? Cheers JennieG |
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05 Feb 09 - 09:36 PM (#2558583) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GEST Done. Took me ten minutes. |
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05 Feb 09 - 10:29 PM (#2558609) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Cllr done cllr |
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06 Feb 09 - 03:36 AM (#2558731) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Seaking Done Chris |
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06 Feb 09 - 10:28 AM (#2559019) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Richard Bridge I haev finally succumbed to temptation and went to look at thesession. Now I see why I had never heard of it - it's for Irish tunes. That comes in about zero on my interest scale, marginally above bluegrass ones. |
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06 Feb 09 - 12:18 PM (#2559123) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Don Firth Just finish it. And I, too, would be interested in seeing the results. I'm not familiar with thesession, but I intend to check it out. Don Firth |
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06 Feb 09 - 12:27 PM (#2559130) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: VirginiaTam marginally above bluegrass ones Thanks RB... added to list of songs for next Stoke Session Paradise by John Prine |
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06 Feb 09 - 12:43 PM (#2559145) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Leadbelly Done. Being a marketing researcher I could not say "No" because the questionnaire isn't bad. Good luck! |
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06 Feb 09 - 01:29 PM (#2559190) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Zen it's for Irish tunes. That comes in about zero on my interest scale, marginally above bluegrass ones Thanks for that RB... good to know. You wouldn't care to add Scottish, Appalachian and Old Timey so I can rest completely easy? Zen |
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06 Feb 09 - 01:42 PM (#2559205) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Richard Bridge No Zen, I occasionally listen to Scottish tunes. And VT - (1) that's not folk, it's contemporary, and (2) it's a song not a tune. |
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06 Feb 09 - 01:45 PM (#2559210) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Zen Well four out of five is a result... at least for me. Zen |
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06 Feb 09 - 02:02 PM (#2559237) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Lin in Kansas Done. Good luck, John. Lin |
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06 Feb 09 - 02:56 PM (#2559312) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Haruo Done and Well done Looking forward to the results |
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06 Feb 09 - 04:44 PM (#2559422) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: VirginiaTam RB John Prine (born October 10, 1946, in Maywood, Illinois) is an American country/folk singer-songwriter. If the story told by Paradise as well as the melody not bluegrass, well it comes near enough for the definition of bluegrass I understood in the 70's when I was listening to Marshall Tucker, Charlie Daniels and John Prine. All playing on the bluegrass hour of the one and only radio station I could get in West Virginia. As to it being a song and not a tune that's true. BTW did you know that your tendancy for pedantry is hanging out? Better put that sucker away. |
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06 Feb 09 - 06:16 PM (#2559518) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Joybell Done from me too Joy |
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06 Feb 09 - 11:44 PM (#2559744) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: mrdux done -- michael |
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07 Feb 09 - 04:44 AM (#2559816) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: kerry and Mandy all done John, hope it helps. good luck kerry and mandy |
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07 Feb 09 - 07:47 AM (#2559891) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,.gargoyle DONE
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07 Feb 09 - 11:54 PM (#2560577) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Shimbo Darktree Done. I note Arnie's comments about possible research in pubs & bars. This certainly happens in our neck of the woods, and strangely enough it is also John Thompson's neck of the woods (part of the year, anyway). Perhaps this clears up some questions as to "why"? Shimbo |
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08 Feb 09 - 04:02 AM (#2560626) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Tony in Darwin Done (lost ma cookie) |
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08 Feb 09 - 04:01 PM (#2561118) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Charmion Done too. |
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08 Feb 09 - 07:18 PM (#2561274) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: John J Dunnit. JJ |
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09 Feb 09 - 06:45 PM (#2562235) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet i've been offline for a couple of days, but I will be posting a summary of results sometime in March after the survey period has finished. Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. We've passed 500 responses and I particularly appreciate the extent to which people are prepared to be open about their views. John |
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09 Feb 09 - 07:10 PM (#2562252) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: icon Done - painless! |
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09 Feb 09 - 07:11 PM (#2562253) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Rog Peek Done. Rog |
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10 Feb 09 - 04:34 AM (#2562469) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Pistachio Done - took less than 5 minutes. Clear and easy to use. Who'll get the 100th post? Hazel. |
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10 Feb 09 - 04:51 AM (#2562477) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Leadfingers ME !!!! 100 |
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10 Feb 09 - 05:20 AM (#2562489) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: naughtyforty Have also done this. |
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10 Feb 09 - 07:56 AM (#2562593) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: semi-submersible Hecho (in a rambling and sometimes incoherent manner, I fear. As night turns to morning, my verbosity increases and my self-editing fails.) |
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10 Feb 09 - 02:12 PM (#2562981) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: JohnB I did done it but I kept it to me'sen and didn't tell anyone. Until now, JohnB. |
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10 Feb 09 - 07:00 PM (#2563281) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Steve Gardham Done |
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10 Feb 09 - 07:47 PM (#2563321) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: maire-aine Done. |
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10 Feb 09 - 08:00 PM (#2563330) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: GUEST,Dani Done |
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11 Feb 09 - 06:53 AM (#2563665) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: George Papavgeris Couldn't be arsed to do it, but I am keeping the pen anyway. No, seriously, did it last week - doddle. Like others, I'd be keen to see the results. We can then debate them in a separate thread, spiced with the usual abusive judgmental comments towards each other. Or preferably without them. |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:30 AM (#2563678) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Jack Campin I did it, but like others I was a bit perplexed about comparing this to any "real world" group I'm involved in. There are some people I talk face to face about musicological matters with, but most of my real-world involvement is in actual performance in sessions - we may talk about tunes or songs in between playing them, but that's not the main point. |
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12 Feb 09 - 07:05 AM (#2564769) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Bryn Pugh Wedi gwna. Hwyl, Bryn |
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12 Feb 09 - 10:59 AM (#2564938) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Mr Red done |
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13 Feb 09 - 08:23 AM (#2565820) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: rich-joy um .... has anyone else had trouble getting into the survey??? When I click the link in John's 1st post, it just takes me to the "thanks for doing it" end page of the Survey Company - and I can't find my way back to where I do the Mudcat Survey ..... R-J |
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13 Feb 09 - 06:19 PM (#2566336) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: paula t Done |
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05 Mar 09 - 06:50 AM (#2581674) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet Thanks to everyone who responded (372 from mudcat). The survey is now closed. Once I've had a chance to assimilate the information, I'll post some of the results to this discussion thread. John |
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05 Mar 09 - 06:51 AM (#2581675) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Megan L Thanks lad it should make interesting reading |
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08 May 09 - 10:41 AM (#2627060) Subject: SURVEY RESULTS From: cloudstreet For those with an interest in the results to the comparative survey I conducted in February, I have now posted both the survey results summary and the paper which I submitted based on the survey results. The Survey Summary can be found at http://tinyurl.com/q7a7c2 The assignment paper based on the results is at http://tinyurl.com/rxnj3o Once again thank you to all of the help that members gave me in offering their opinions and impressions. John Thompson |
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08 May 09 - 11:27 AM (#2627091) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Sandra in Sydney congratulations, John |
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08 May 09 - 11:27 AM (#2627092) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Desert Dancer Thanks for the update, John. An interesting picture. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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08 May 09 - 11:45 AM (#2627104) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: katlaughing So, it's not an illusion, there are about twice as many men as women on Mudcat. Interesting. I will read your paper this evening. It looks very interesting. Thanks for posting an update. I really look forward to reading it! |
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08 May 09 - 11:47 AM (#2627106) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Max This is very fascinating stuff John, I think you've done a wonderful job. An excellent paper. Is it ok with you if I post the transcripts from our interview as well? If you have it handy, go ahead and do so. |
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08 May 09 - 11:58 AM (#2627121) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet And with Max's permission, here's the transcript of our conversation (Appendix C) http://tinyurl.com/or9cae Thanks, Max John |
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08 May 09 - 12:41 PM (#2627151) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Nancy King Hmmm -- doesn't look as if Max had much to say... Did something get omitted? Thanks for posting the survey results, John. Very interesting stuff. |
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08 May 09 - 12:54 PM (#2627162) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: cloudstreet Whoops. Let's try that again: http://tinyurl.com/q5lgcg This really is the transcript. J |
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08 May 09 - 01:13 PM (#2627181) Subject: RE: Mudcat Survey From: Bill D Interesting to see all that 'said' in one place. Max even gets 90% of the details correct... *grin* But you cant expect a busy administrator to follow ALL the undercurrents. |