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15 Apr 09 - 08:44 PM (#2612079) Subject: BS: Texas Secession From: John on the Sunset Coast From the Houston Chronicle online, "[Gov] Perry says Texas can leave the union if it wants to" Comment: Yeah! Like that worked the first time! |
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15 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM (#2612082) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: CarolC Sounds good to me. |
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15 Apr 09 - 08:56 PM (#2612087) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Michael Harrison No, what he meant to say is that the Union can leave Texas, as in - behind. Sure, wasn't it Rick Perry who painted the sign - "Remember the Amalo," huh? Yeah, GO RICK - Ricky The Clown. Cheers,....mwh |
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15 Apr 09 - 09:47 PM (#2612114) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Barry Finn Texas wants out? Let 'em go & rename it South America. Not wanted there either, uh? Barry |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:22 PM (#2612142) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Amos Oh, g'wan witchoo. Just because the Bushes moved there doesn't mean the whole state is bad. Ann Richards was all right. And Stilly, Aine, and a whole bunch of other past and present Catters call it home, for better or for worse. A |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:26 PM (#2612144) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Rapparee Molly Ivins was okay too. And actually, no, Texas cannot leave the Union any more than any other state can. |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:37 PM (#2612149) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bill D That would put them between Little Rock and a hard place. |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:41 PM (#2612152) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: EBarnacle Does that mean that Texans would be . . . Wait for it. . . ILLEGAL ALIENS when they come to the US or Mexico to find work? |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:50 PM (#2612158) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Stilly River Sage Texas IS entitled to divide itself into five separate states, if it wants to, but I doubt it wants to. It seems suitable to pick up this story from FOX news. Perry is as sleezy as Fox. Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights. Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!" An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt. Perry repeated his running theme that Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states and with the "federal budget mess." Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that. "There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot." Perry is running for re-election against U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, a fellow Republican. His anti-Washington remarks have become more strident the past few weeks as that 2010 race gets going and since Perry rejected $550 million in federal economic stimulus money slated to help Texas' unemployment trust fund. Perry said the stimulus money would come with strings attached that would leave Texas paying the bill once the federal money ran out. He said he believes he could be at the center of a national movement that is coordinated and focused in its opposition to the actions of the federal government. "It's a very organic thing," he said. "It is a very powerful moment, I think, in American history." South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, also Republicans, have been outspoken against the federal economic stimulus spending and were supportive of tea parties in their states. The protests, organized throughout the country by conservative groups and talk show hosts, were held on the federal income tax deadline day to imitate the original Boston Tea Party of American revolutionary times. FOX News' Glenn Beck broadcast live in San Antonio from outside the Alamo, a legendary symbol of Texas independence. Park police estimated 4,000 to 5,000 people packed into the small plaza, many waving signs or carrying little yellow flags that read, "Don't tread on me." A local barbecue chain gave away free cups of iced tea. Rocker Ted Nugent performed a shredder guitar version of the national anthem, but unlike some rallies elsewhere, San Antonio organizers forbade politicians from speaking. "They are welcome to come and listen to us, for a change," they said in their statement. Mike Smart, a 51-year-old oil field worker from West Texas, held up a white handwritten sign that said, "I'll keep my freedom, my $ and my guns. You keep the change." "I just want the government to stay out of my way. I won't get in their way if they don't get in mine," said Smart, who described himself as conservative but not a Republican. Government spending, going back multiple administrations, has reached a boiling point with the latest rounds of stimulus spending, he said. While the Bush administration spent heavily before he left office, the Obama administration has fast-tracked big spending, he said. "Ol' George was going to the same destination. He just didn't want to tell anyone," said Smart. Another protester, 38-year-old Melva Fried, said the forced ouster of General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner was the last straw for her -- a symbol the federal government was moving toward socialism. "When a president can fire the head of a company, that's too much," she said, holding a sign that read "Stop Rewarding Failure." The sales associate, who considers herself a disaffected Republican, said she doesn't believe the government should bail anyone out, including banks and individual homeowners. The crowd at the Austin tea party appeared decidedly anti-Democrat. Many of the speakers were Republicans and Libertarians. One placard said, "Stop Obama's Socialism." Another read, "Some Pirates Are in America," and it showed photographs of Obama, U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid wearing pirate hats. Rebecca Knowlton, 45, of Smithville, said she took the day off of home-schooling her three children and brought them to the rally to teach them about civic duty. She felt camaraderie at the demonstration. "The movement is growing stronger," she said. "You're not alone." |
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15 Apr 09 - 10:51 PM (#2612159) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Stilly River Sage P.S. Perry is an idiot. |
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16 Apr 09 - 01:18 AM (#2612196) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Donuel Its always the South that fires the first shot. Perhaps they will settle back down if they got slavery back. |
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16 Apr 09 - 01:41 AM (#2612205) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Gurney Could the union make them pay to move that big fence if they did? |
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16 Apr 09 - 08:37 AM (#2612333) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Rapparee Couldn't we just say, "Hey, Mexico. There was a mistake. Not ALL Texans are US citizens -- here ya go!" and hand them Perry et al.? |
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16 Apr 09 - 08:45 AM (#2612340) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Richard Bridge If the Irish and Argentinians can hold a territorial grudge/aspiration for several hundred years (and indeed the present controllers of Israel for thousands), how about some descendants of Santa Ana declaring a legal claim to Texas, supported by a bombing campaign (with a slogan like "Shock and Awe")? |
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16 Apr 09 - 09:09 AM (#2612351) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Wesley S This is just a way for "The Haircut" aka Perry - to paint himself as a regional guy who's all for states rights. He's going to be running against Kay Bailey Hutchins for Gov in the next election and he's bound to paint her as someone who's tied into big Government from Washington. |
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16 Apr 09 - 09:10 AM (#2612353) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Wesley S By the way - if we DO leave the Union we're taking Collings guitars with us. |
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16 Apr 09 - 10:14 AM (#2612377) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: catspaw49 Perhaps its natural that a large place breeds oversize idiots but Texas truly has produced some winners. Like Billie Sol Estes.............. There is no doubt that Billie Sol was a genius of the economic scam. From an early age he had the ability to parlay nothing into small fortunes using truths blended into a background of smoke and mirrors. He reached the pinnacle of success when he scammed the Feds for non-existent fertilizer tanks filled with non-existent anhydrous ammonia. He once said that when you get deeply in debt to someone, you lose a creditor and gain a partner. But deep down Billie had that streak of idiocy running through him and it came out in strange ways. In 1956 he supported Adlai Stevenson for President and went to a banker to finance his personal campaign idea. Billie wanted to buy thousands of parakeets and train them to say "I like Adlai" in unison as they flew over major cities. The banker tried to explain this was an impossible task on several levels but Billie Sol would hear none of it. Angered, he left the bank, loudly accusing the banker of being anti-Stevenson. I think its something in the air......or maybe the water......... Spaw |
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16 Apr 09 - 12:27 PM (#2612501) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Richard Bridge Surely if Collings become Mexican they will be cheaper? For God's sake, GO! |
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16 Apr 09 - 12:46 PM (#2612507) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Little Hawk The parakeet idea was absolutely brilliant. Had they gotten the financing and gone ahead with it, Adlai Stevenson would have been elected, history would have been changed radically, and Spaw would have spent his prime years cleaning toilets in Schenectady instead of embarrassing people in Ohio. Billy Sol Estes was an unsung genius of his time. He was almost as great as William Shatner, and that's not easy. As for Texas, I suggest they amalgamate into a union with North Korea and tell the rest of the world to go to hell! ;-) |
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16 Apr 09 - 01:57 PM (#2612562) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST,emily S Hey, hey! There are millions of liberal folks here in Texas so please don't try so hard to get rid of us. My democratic Senate District has more people in it than the state of Wyoming. We're working down here to change attitudes and to turn the state blue. We need help not the boot! Then again, Mexican priced Collings guitars - yeah, it just might be worth the boot. Personally, I can't wait for the rapture to happen, leaving those of us "left behind" to help heal the planet. |
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16 Apr 09 - 03:19 PM (#2612608) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: katlaughing Another protester, 38-year-old Melva Fried, said the forced ouster of General Motors Corp. CEO Rick Wagoner was the last straw for her -- a symbol the federal government was moving toward socialism. "When a president can fire the head of a company, that's too much," she said, holding a sign that read "Stop Rewarding Failure." How ironic...do you think she even gets her own point? |
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16 Apr 09 - 03:27 PM (#2612615) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: CarolC It doesn't seem to me that any of them understand their own points. They're protesting high taxes, and at the same time, they're protesting a president who is cutting their taxes. |
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16 Apr 09 - 03:35 PM (#2612621) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: fumblefingers If we leave the union, we may have to raise the price of natural gas and refined petroleum products that we currently sell to the yankees. |
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16 Apr 09 - 03:43 PM (#2612626) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Goose Gander Everyone in this country associates secession with the South (for some obvious reasons), but that's not the whole story . . . New England Secession Tradition part one New England Secession Tradition part two |
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16 Apr 09 - 03:44 PM (#2612629) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: CarolC What percentage of our natural gas and refined petroleum products come from Texas these days? |
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16 Apr 09 - 04:02 PM (#2612636) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Paul Burke What are the best secession tunes? |
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16 Apr 09 - 04:23 PM (#2612648) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Stilly River Sage We're working down here to change attitudes and to turn the state blue. Meanwhile, I'm blue about how red Texas is. . . SRS |
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16 Apr 09 - 04:26 PM (#2612652) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego For those who remember the Johnson administration, there was a standing joke of the time that went: "Did you hear they shortened the name of Texas to "Tex?" The listener answers, "No. Why would they do that?" The response is "Because the AS_ is in Washington." By the way, if Texas secedes, does that mean the spring break parties will get wilder down at South Padre Island? |
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16 Apr 09 - 04:45 PM (#2612666) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Rapparee Red Texas -- like Red China and Red Russia. Commies! Texas Commies! Liberal Hippie Atheist Commie Reds! |
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16 Apr 09 - 05:31 PM (#2612702) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: pdq By the way, if Texas secedes, does that mean the spring break parties will get wilder down at South Padre Island? Only if they move them to hurricane season. |
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16 Apr 09 - 05:45 PM (#2612709) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Goose Gander The sky is falling! My favorite part: "Talk of secession is an attack on our country. It can be nothing else. It is the ultimate anti-American statement," Dunnam said at a news conference. Ummm . . . except that this country was founded upon an act of secession. The American 'Revolution' wasn't really anything like the French Revolution, or the Boshevik Revolution. It did not overturn the existing order, it did not change fundamental social and economic relations. Frankly, I would not care if Texas left the Union. It's practically another country as it stands, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. |
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16 Apr 09 - 05:52 PM (#2612713) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Rapparee Since the Constitution of the State of Texas recognizes the Constitution of the United States as supreme, no secession is possible: THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States. |
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16 Apr 09 - 06:01 PM (#2612722) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Goose Gander "Texas is a free and independent State," That part is clear enough. ". . . subject only to the Constitution of the United States," OK, I understand that part, too. ". . . and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States." As I understand it (being no constitutional scholar or lawyer), this means that Texas's status as one of the United States is contingent upon the maintenence of a division of powers between state and federal government. I read nothing here that denies Texans the right to secede. |
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16 Apr 09 - 06:27 PM (#2612738) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Whaddya talkin' about, Rapaire? Secession is ALWAYS possible. You sayin' I can't walk out of the room just cos there's some damn piece of paper that SAYS I can't and someone who says that damn piece of paper rules over ME??? Huh? Guess again, buddy. I can, and so can Texas. All it takes is the will to say, "Screw yer damn piece of paper! Times have changed. I've leavin'!" That's what George Washington did. That's what Jefferson Davis did. That's what Stonewall Jackson did. All it takes is the will to do it, and the determination to fight 'em if they try to stop you. |
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16 Apr 09 - 06:44 PM (#2612742) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: gnu Yeah, LH. Al it takes is the will... last testament too. |
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16 Apr 09 - 06:49 PM (#2612744) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Rapparee Well, Chongo ol' buddy, you know pieces of paper can be backed up with bars of steel. |
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16 Apr 09 - 06:58 PM (#2612751) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp True. It all depends on who runs the show after the dust clears, doesn't it? Most of the stuff the Nazis did was technically legal, according to their laws at the time. That don't mean it was right. We've always got people with different opinions about what is "right" and what ain't. - Chongo |
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16 Apr 09 - 08:27 PM (#2612802) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Amos Chongo, for example, tells me Little Hawk has exercised his "right" to secede from the Mudcat. But, it's not actual, see. Somebody has to pop in and keep Chongo shooting off his yap. A |
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16 Apr 09 - 08:40 PM (#2612810) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: michaelr I'm reminded of the slogan I once saw on a hat: "If God wanted Texans to ski, he would have made bullshit white" |
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16 Apr 09 - 09:07 PM (#2612817) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bobert Yo, Texas... First of all, don't let thed door hit you on the way out and secondly... ...there are a few others we wouldn't miss so take 'um with ya, Big Guy... But here's the catch... When ya'll figure out that ya'll gettin' more federal tax doallars back then what ya'll put in then don't come cryin' back to yer Sugar Daddy 'cause he ain't gonna answer the door... Bye-de-bye... B~ p.s. Maybe you could hook back up with Mexico... |
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17 Apr 09 - 10:33 AM (#2613100) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: beardedbruce "(Most experts suggest the notion that Texas can legally secede is mistaken, but the state does have the right to split into five states, offering the prospect of 10 U.S. senators, math that would send cold shivers down any Democratic back.)" Simple math 48 + 8 = 56 from http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1891829,00.html?cnn=yes |
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17 Apr 09 - 02:42 PM (#2613296) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: John on the Sunset Coast "Simple math 48 + 8 = 56" Please 'splane Loosy! If Texas exercise its form of mitosis, it seems to me that the equation would be 49 (remaining states + 5 (new Texican states) = 54. Some years ago, someone wrote an article about splitting California into two, dividing north from south at Bakersfield. Or dividing into three; north coast, south, and mountain interior along the Sierras. |
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17 Apr 09 - 02:48 PM (#2613299) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: beardedbruce Texas is a state with two senators. If they split into 5 states total, that would be 8 ADDITIONAL senators. There would be 54 states, for 108 senators- and it would take 55 to control the Senate ( the VP decides ties) |
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17 Apr 09 - 03:49 PM (#2613344) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: John on the Sunset Coast Ah, so! You jumped directly to the answer without showing the intermediate work steps. That was a no-no in my math classes. ;>D |
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17 Apr 09 - 03:54 PM (#2613354) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: beardedbruce Well, I learned calculus using infinitesimals, too... The point is that IF Texas were to form 5 states, the Republicans would again control the Senate. Given Obama's present (lack of) efforts at bipartisanship, that might not be such a bad thing- for BOTH sides. |
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17 Apr 09 - 05:24 PM (#2613409) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bobert The problem with spliting states is that other states might figure out a way to do it too and purdy soon there would be chaos at the flag making factory... No, I'd rather just see Texas join up with Mexico or become it's own country... Don't much matter to me which one... B~ |
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17 Apr 09 - 07:05 PM (#2613478) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Stilly River Sage Texas is the only state that has that written into the constitution, it has to do with having been an independent nation for 10 years. Since back when it split off from Mexico, it's something that has been a possibility but is very unlikely it would ever happen. What would be the point? SRS |
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17 Apr 09 - 07:17 PM (#2613489) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bobert Well, Maggie, to get back a Senate majority for Repubs??? That would go along way toward keeping the the "Reagan Revolution" going for a few more years until it completely destroys the country... If it hasn't allready... The jury is still out on whether or not we will survive 3 decades of trickle down Reaganonmics... B~ |
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17 Apr 09 - 08:06 PM (#2613508) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: John on the Sunset Coast SRS - There are reasons other than simply trying to (gasp!) give the Republicans a Senate majority. Perhaps, a large contingent of Texans, say the So'wstrn part, did not approve of the direction of the state as a whole. Might even be the Blue portion of the state giving Dems an advantage. West Virginia split from Virginia because WV-ans did not wish to be part of the Confederate States. |
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18 Apr 09 - 12:57 AM (#2613631) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Uncle Phil Well, if you can't protest the anti-Americanism of them politicians in Washington by advocating treason, you probably aren't intellectually flexible enough to be governor of Texas. While we're all here let's look at the paperwork. The United States of America and the Republic of Texas united in 1845 by Texas becoming a U.S. state. The Ordinance of Annexation of 4 July 1845 doesn't have anything to say about secession. It does say that Texas can divide itself into a State of Texas plus four other states if the other states can meet the US requirements for statehood. Fast forward to 1861, and Texas attempted to leave the US by passing An Ordinance:To dissolve the union between the State of Texas and the other Stat s, united under the compact styled "The Constitution of the United States of America" on 1 February 1861. This ordinance did not claim any right of succession; all it did was repeal the Ordinance of Annexation of 4 July 1845. After the end of the U.S. Civil War An Ordinance, Declaring the Ordinance of Secession Null and Void was passed on 15 March 2006, which (you guessed it) repealed the Ordinance of Secession of 1 February 1861. This ordinance is specific – "the right heretofore claimed by the State of Texas to secede from the Union, is hereby distinctly renounced." - Phil(from Deep in the Heart of Texas) |
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18 Apr 09 - 08:12 AM (#2613744) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: kendall I saw the skits done by Letterman and Leno on that sap. What a riot. |
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18 Apr 09 - 09:17 AM (#2613761) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bobert Funny thing about Wes Ginny is that loota them boys have had a change of heart... You'll see more confederate flags in Jefferson County, WV than you'll find in simialr sized counties much further south... Seems that lotta folks didn't get the memo... lol... B~ |
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18 Apr 09 - 10:22 AM (#2613788) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Uncle Phil Random notes after reading through this thread again this morning: The business about dividing into 5 states is part of the Ordinance of Annexation, and in not, as far as I know, in the Texas state constitution. However, I haven't read all 800 pages of the constitution. Every political party in Mexico hsd a platform plank advocating the return of Texas to Mexico at one time. Maybe they still do. The Texas legislature expressed their feelings about the gov's remarks by deleting his operating budget for the next two years. That should save us some on taxes. The Washington Post reports that the U.S. State Department published list of the foreign countries visited by Secretary Clinton this year. Texas is on the list. - Phil |
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18 Apr 09 - 10:33 AM (#2613794) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bill D It's a bit hard to fathom the mindset of some Texans who have made **being Texan** their main hobby. It's almost as if they LOOK for reasons to object to what the USA as a 'country' does. I seriously doubt many of them really, really would want to try to run Texas as an independent country, but some of them sure enjoy (as I saw last night) hinting that they could, if they wanted to, break into 5 states and throw 8 more senators at the Democrats! "Better be nice to us and not pass any stupid *LIBERAL* crap about gun control or *gasp* Gay Marriage, or we will become 5 small dogs, and bite your ankles." I truly do not know whether such attitudes are social or genetic (and I know it is not universal there)....either way, it is not plesant to watch. |
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18 Apr 09 - 12:02 PM (#2613839) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Amos "... Perry, who is the sort of person who calls other guys "dude," used to be a cotton farmer, a group that seems to have a special talent for combining rugged individualism with intransigent demands for government assistance. Even as we speak, the Obama administration budget-cutters are trying to end a longstanding federal practice of paying the costs of storing the entire national cotton crop every year. No other farmers get this kind of special treatment, and I am sure Perry's failure to mention it when he calls for an end to corporate bailouts is a terrible oversight that will be corrected immediately. The big mystery here is why the tax-protest crowds were behaving as if the world was coming to an end when all Obama's infant presidency has done is lower taxes for a vast majority of the public. And why people like Perry seem to feel compelled to egg them on. The answer is that what's left of the Republican Party is intent on cutting off the knees of the administration before it actually manages to fulfill any campaign promises on reducing the huge economic gap between the top 5 percent of the country and the rest of the populace. In pursuit of that mission, fortune favors the hysterical and rewards politicians who behave like gerbils that just bit into an electric wire. We don't want to blame all Texans for the high jinks in Austin. It's a state full of lovely people, three-fourths of whom, according to a recent Rasmussen Reports poll, have no desire whatsoever to secede from the United States. But Perry really understands how that other quarter feels. ... (Gail Collins, NYT) |
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18 Apr 09 - 02:17 PM (#2613949) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Little Hawk Bill D - "It's a bit hard to fathom the mindset of some Texans who have made **being Texan** their main hobby." Yeah, it is hard to fathom, Bill. And I feel exactly the same way about Black people who have made **being Black** their main hobby or gay people who have made **being gay** their main hobby or female activists who have made **being female** their main hobby, plus a number of other common examples of that sort of thing in certain contentiously defensive (or is it offensive?) people who have been disproportionately dominating the public dialogue for a few decades now. I call it not being able to just get over yourself and your special "problem" and just focus on being part of the human race instead. Texans, of course, don't even have the excuse that anyone's been persecuting them. ;-) At least not since they defeated Santa Ana. |
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18 Apr 09 - 02:40 PM (#2613966) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Les from Hull In 1836 Texas seceded from Mexico. In 1861 Texas seceded from the United States of America. Aren't these people ever happy? |
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18 Apr 09 - 05:33 PM (#2614067) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: JohnInKansas From: Michael Morris - PM Date: 16 Apr 09 - 03:43 PM Everyone in this country associates secession with the South (for some obvious reasons), but that's not the whole story . . . New England Secession Tradition part one New England Secession Tradition part two The promised Part three does not appear in the index for the Fall 2007 Issue of the magazine (Vermont Commons Journal) [Scroll down for contents of earlier issues] Apparently, as with other secessionists, "they" got him before he could finish it. Part 1 does point out that Vermont, like Texas, existed as a "sovereign state" prior to joining the US, and didn't "secede" from the British Empire until about a year after the other states. (Some people accuse Vermonters of "being a little slow" but I think the accusation indictes a lack of understanding of their cultural cohesiveness.) John |
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20 Apr 09 - 12:32 AM (#2614781) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Goose Gander Yeah, I never did find the elusive 'part three' . . . |
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25 Mar 10 - 02:18 AM (#2871308) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST, Stilly River Sage Jeffrey Toobin, the political analyst and observer of the Supreme Court, was at UT Arlington today. At a talk tonight he was asked about Rick Perry's succession statements. After hemming and hawing for a minute, he said "That's just plain stupid, isn't it?" SRS |
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25 Mar 10 - 04:23 AM (#2871336) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Richard Bridge As far as we can see from over here, stupidity is not, in Texan politics, a reason not to say or do something. |
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25 Mar 10 - 06:53 AM (#2871398) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: Bobert Me thinks that Texas gets more back from the feds that it pays in so if they wanta go, let 'um... They are a drain on the US Treasury... BTW, that goes for mosy of the South... They all are doing much better on dollars returned compared to dollars paid in than alot of their NE and western counterparts... Oh yeah, and no protection either once they go... If Mexico want's to invade then it's Texas's problem... Not ours... (But, Boebrdz... We need Texas's oil...) We do??? The US has only 3% of the world's oil reserves so if we all just cut out 3 miles of driving per hundred miles we are driving now then there would be no need for replqacing that oil... And when you factor in the amount of oil that Texans use of the total US reserves then it's probably closer to 2 miles per hundred that would need to be sacrificed... B~ |
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25 Mar 10 - 08:39 AM (#2871467) Subject: RE: BS: Texas Secession From: GUEST,Neil D Too bad they didn't secede ten years ago. Bush could have been their president and not ours. |