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10 Jun 09 - 11:04 AM (#2653164) Subject: Scottish Folk Songs From: stringman Greetings, I've been trying to find some good, classic Scottish folk songs to sing and learn on guitar and take around to campfires this summer. Thanks! |
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10 Jun 09 - 11:14 AM (#2653176) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Maryrrf A good place to start might be by getting a few of the Corrie's albums. Lots of the "classics" there and the arrangements are not too complicated. Carl Peterson also has some nice selections that would be easy to learn on guitar. Here's a link to his stuff on CD Baby |
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10 Jun 09 - 11:24 AM (#2653190) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: giles earle A useful basic book-plus-CD, from Taigh na Teud (aka Scotland's Music), is listed at: www.scotlandsmusic.com/scotssong.htm Guitar chords are given for each song, and the book is small enough to pack easily. |
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10 Jun 09 - 11:30 AM (#2653194) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: goatfell http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/index.php this is the adress to a website with quite a lot of scottish folk songs on it. |
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10 Jun 09 - 12:21 PM (#2653233) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: stringman thanks folks, great info! |
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10 Jun 09 - 05:14 PM (#2653471) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: maple_leaf_boy Bonnie Moorhen, The Broom O' Cowdenknowes, Loch Tay Boat Song, by the Corries are some nice songs if you're looking them up. Skye Boat Song is also a good one, too. Those are some mellow ones. Westering Home and Bonnie Annie Laurie, are a little more on the uptempo side. |
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10 Jun 09 - 05:33 PM (#2653481) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Eric the Viking Try:"The Scottish folksinger". 118 Modern and tradditional folk songs by Norman Buchan and Peter Hall. Published by Collins. ISBN; 0 00 435695 5 Contains such as:The means test man, the deserter,lamkin,guise o' toughO'm a rover,bonnie ship the diamond. Listen to Iain Bruce on CD. The range is huge. Best o luck |
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10 Jun 09 - 05:47 PM (#2653487) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Folkiedave £10.00 post free............. |
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10 Jun 09 - 05:58 PM (#2653498) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Tootler If you can get it, 101 Scottish Songs, Ed. Norman Buchan. Been out of print for many years, but you might find a copy second hand. An excellent source of Scots Folksongs. I have learnt a number of songs from this book. Geoff |
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10 Jun 09 - 07:05 PM (#2653565) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jack Campin "The Scottish Folksinger" and "101 Scottish Songs" are suggestions I would enthusiastically second. So is Ewan MacColl's "Songs and Ballads of Scotland". if you can find it. Well worth looking at Dick Gaughan's website, he has the lyrics for his repertoire on there. |
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11 Jun 09 - 06:09 AM (#2653823) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Diva I was just going to say "Scottish Folksinger"..... |
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11 Jun 09 - 08:59 AM (#2653905) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: GUEST,leeneia Are you thinking of solos or songs for the whole group to sing? Because if it's for a group, it needs to be a little simpler. I suggest Loch Lomond - (you take the high road and I'll take the low road) Wild Mountain Thyme Mairi's Wedding |
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11 Jun 09 - 09:12 AM (#2653910) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: goatfell just type in scottish folksongs and the websites will appear, that's wht I do and then choose what songs you need |
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11 Jun 09 - 07:17 PM (#2654409) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Pistachio Road tae Dundee, Come by the Hills, Jacobites, Ye banks and Braes, Uist tramping song, Jamie Foyers, etc. Take a listen to Dougie MacLean if you want newer work and you've time to spare! Enjoy! H.x |
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11 Jun 09 - 07:28 PM (#2654415) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: nutty This Glasgow University site has some good songs -- you hear them being sung as well CLICK |
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12 Jun 09 - 08:01 AM (#2654746) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: GUEST,HughM Killiecrankie, Twa Recruiting Sargeants, The Fair Maid of Fyvie-O. |
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12 Jun 09 - 08:36 AM (#2654769) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jack Campin Very few people, even in Scotland, would be able to figure out the chorus of Twa Recruiting Sergeants by ear before the song finishes. They'll need it on paper. The last song HughM mentioned is more usually called The Bonny Lass of Fyvie. |
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12 Jun 09 - 09:03 AM (#2654784) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: GUEST,leeneia stringman, are you still wi' us? |
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12 Jun 09 - 10:29 AM (#2654846) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: BobKnight "Jock O' Hazeldene," but you'll need a good range to do it justice. "Bonnie Bessy Logan" is another lovely song. I have four of my own songs on www.myspace.com/bobknightfolk |
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12 Jun 09 - 06:40 PM (#2655236) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Tootler Very few people, even in Scotland, would be able to figure out the chorus of Twa Recruiting Sergeants by ear before the song finishes. They'll need it on paper. The chorus is not too bad, I don't think. I managed to get it orally after about two or three playings through and I last lived in Scotland in 1965. The verses are a different matter. I needed to go to paper for those and to check on the dialect words. "Jock O' Hazeldene," but you'll need a good range to do it justice. I don't have a large range and I can manage it quite comfortably. The important thing you need to realise is that it starts on the highest note in the tune, so you need to be careful not to pitch it too low. |
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13 Jun 09 - 06:09 AM (#2655477) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jim McLean The Wild Mountain Thyme is Irish, try The Braes o' Balquhither instead. |
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13 Jun 09 - 07:06 AM (#2655496) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous Tootler - is your version of Jock O'Hazeldene the same as Dick Gaughan's? only that one certainly doesn't start on the highest note, goes much higher... |
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13 Jun 09 - 07:22 AM (#2655507) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jack Campin Gaughan has a rather weird voice so he might do it differently, but the usual tune has the topmost note at the start of lines 1, 2 and 4 of each verse. |
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13 Jun 09 - 10:19 AM (#2655577) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous I've only heard Gaughan sing it. Just checked, and he does start on a higher note on 1st line of 1st verse, but on all others on a lower one. And even that higher note isn't the highest of the tune! |
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13 Jun 09 - 10:26 AM (#2655581) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous Just checked the tune given on the Mudcat database, and here too the 1st note of lines 1,2 and 4 is not the highest note in the tune, which comes in line 3. |
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13 Jun 09 - 11:26 AM (#2655601) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jim McLean The melody given in the Mudcat database is incorrect. In John Greig's Scots Minstrelsie, Vol. 1, the melodie to Jock o' Hazeldean is given as ' ..an old air, "Willie and Annet", embellished ...' It is written in E major and the highest note, Eb begins lines 1, 2, and 4, as Jack Campin said. |
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13 Jun 09 - 11:27 AM (#2655603) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jim McLean PS that should have read Eb major. |
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13 Jun 09 - 01:08 PM (#2655650) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous Many thanks, Jim. Do you have a link to the music, either written or audio? |
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13 Jun 09 - 01:21 PM (#2655655) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jim McLean Jock o' Hazeldean Suegorgeous, This is the notation on Dick Gaughan's Website but I don't know how he sings it. In this case it is written in G major and the top notes are high G as on the lines as previously stated in my previous post. The writing is a bit stilted and could be varied a little. |
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13 Jun 09 - 06:16 PM (#2655815) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous Thanks Jim. That's not how he actually sings it, however! :) |
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13 Jun 09 - 06:54 PM (#2655830) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jack Campin Another one not in the books suggested so far: The Freedom Come-All-Ye. You will definitely need to hand out words for it, though. |
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13 Jun 09 - 07:38 PM (#2655854) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Tootler Corries singing Jock O' Hazledean The tune as I know it. The tune is played as a pipe air in Northumberland which is where I first heard it - well not quite, it was in Gateshead actually :-) |
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14 Jun 09 - 09:11 AM (#2656069) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Jim McLean Suegorgeous: I found this transcription of the melody in Greig. It shows a t more variation that that on Dick's Web page. Jock from Greig |
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14 Jun 09 - 10:32 AM (#2656101) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: Suegorgeous Thanks Jim. The 2 tune variations have a different feel to them, IMHO. No doubt Dick has adapted a bit. |
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14 Jun 09 - 01:03 PM (#2656178) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: WalkaboutsVerse I'd never perform it because I'm English, but I love listening to the S.Trad. "My Bonnie." |
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14 Jun 09 - 03:21 PM (#2656291) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: s&r You're OK performing it WAV. Malcolm Douglas who was one of the greatest experts to grace Mudcat believed that it was probably American "c.1860: 'Send Back My Barney to Me' written and published by Harry Clifton. The song is quickly taken up by other performers in Britain and America. In the USA in particular it is 'favoured by Irish comedians' and is printed on broadsides and in songsters, frequently uncredited to Clifton and instead assumed to be, or claimed as, Irish. By 1881 an adaptation or parody, with the tune a bit changed, begins to appear in print as 'My Bonnie'. It seems to have started out as a student song, most likely in America; a song-sheet issued in 1882 by Harms of New York as 'Bring Back My Bonnie to Me' credits it to H J Fulmer (Charles E Pratt) and J T Woods, but the text is reputedly rather different and no conclusions can be drawn without seeing both words and music. Evidently 'Barney' and 'Bonnie' continue alongside each other for a time, with other songs being written that appear to have been inspired by them; or at any rate by the former. By the early C20, 'My Bonnie' has eclipsed its parent, which is largely forgotten. The song's enormous popularity leads to further parodies and to the tune being adopted for other songs in the same metre like 'My father was hung for sheep-stealing'. This leads even some scholars to assume that the tune is Scottish." Stu |
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14 Jun 09 - 03:53 PM (#2656320) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: BobKnight Didn't the Beatles record "My Bonnie" when they were playing in Hamburg, Circa 1961-2? Another lovely Scottish song. "The Broom O' The Cowdenknowes" and there's a great version by Ed Miller on YouTube. |
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14 Jun 09 - 04:42 PM (#2656352) Subject: RE: Scottish Folk Songs From: WalkaboutsVerse I'll keep that in mind, Stu: I first came across "My Bonnie" a few years ago in a recorder tune book, which, I think, mentioned just "trad."; I then did a bit of research, mainly websites, and thought that it's PROBABLY Scottish. And, yes, as part of an association with Tony Sheridan apparently, Bob. |