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03 Aug 99 - 05:59 PM (#102043) Subject: Sharp's Rifles From: Matthew B. PBS recently aired a British TV series called "Sharp's Rifles." There's a memorable scene in one of the episodes where we see several different individual soldiers and groups of soldiers of various ranks, sitting by their respective campfires, walking on patrol, etc., and all singing the same song (which we see in a montage, complete with changes in instrumentation, tempo and key). Does anybody know which song they were singing? |
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03 Aug 99 - 06:08 PM (#102045) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Can you give us a line or two? |
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03 Aug 99 - 06:11 PM (#102046) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Phil. if you do a forum search for "rifles" you'll find two other threads discussing the series. And another thread can be found under the title "John Tams" |
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03 Aug 99 - 07:10 PM (#102054) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: jon a There is a compact disc available in the u.k. Containing music from the series, I do not know what it is called but hopefully someone will know. |
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04 Aug 99 - 04:05 AM (#102166) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Barbara This is from the thread on John Tams: Over The Hills & Far Away , The Music of Sharpe Featuring original music from the ITV series, by John Tams & Dominic Muldowney.
Catalogue number: Virgin Records VTCD81.
It features John Tams, The Moscow Symphony Orchestra, The Band and Bugles of the Light Division, Barry Coope and Roger Wilson (both separately with J. Tams) and the lovely miss Kate Rusby. |
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04 Aug 99 - 08:26 AM (#102197) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Lesley N. Have a care if you are looking to purchase it because there are at least TWO ablbums of the same name - one is by the Springfields (NOT the Sharpe's Rifles Album). Amazon, for instance DOES NOT have the SR album. Another thread about it was here.
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04 Aug 99 - 08:28 AM (#102198) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Matthew B. Yikes. How about a list of the songs on the album? Maybe that would jog my memory. |
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04 Aug 99 - 08:32 AM (#102200) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Phil. why don't you look up those three other threads I suggested? |
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05 Aug 99 - 07:39 PM (#102656) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Dave T I watched many of the episodes in that series. I remember the melody from the song quite well but the only lines I can remember are the last two lines in a verse or chorus: ... George commands and we obey, Over the hills and far away. I can only guess the song is called "Over the hills and Far Away". If I can think of any more, I'll post back. Dave T |
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05 Aug 99 - 09:05 PM (#102675) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: If you do the forum search suggested above, you'll find the whole song, not just the little bit on Sharp's Rifles.. |
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06 Aug 99 - 06:26 AM (#102762) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Wolfgang see old thread: John Tams Sharpes Rifles series. Wolfgang |
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06 Aug 99 - 09:54 AM (#102791) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Kbee I believe the song in question is 'Over the Hills and Farr Away' a traditional 18th century song. Not only is it on the soundtrack, but you can find it on David & Ginger Hildebradt's CD 'Over the Hills and Far Away' |
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08 Aug 99 - 08:22 AM (#103127) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Jonathan .......and in the database, complete with tune, if my memory plays me not false! |
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08 Aug 99 - 01:08 PM (#103157) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Lesley N. As I noted before there is additional information - including the lyrics from the Sharpe's Rifles CD are in the thread Oer the Hills and Far Away - as is information about the CD. |
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09 Aug 99 - 04:31 PM (#103433) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: danl a great song, all my non-folkie friends request it very oftern, great books and a great series. (that Sean Bean....mmm....! our history lessons suddenly got a lot more intresting when we started doing the napolionic wars...! but is it pronounced as in "seen bean" or "shawn born" that is the question)
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09 Aug 99 - 05:47 PM (#103449) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Lesley N. I agree - the Napoleonic Wars were never much fun before Sean Bean. I just picked up a bio of Wellington. He's much more interesting than I imagined. I was disappointed, however, to learn he did not ever love his wife - especially after I read that Thomas Moore wrote Believe Me If All Those Endearing Young Charms for Wellington's wife after she suffered facial scars from smallpox!
But you've got to admire(?) a man who - when a former lover sent him a letter threatening to expose their affair if he didn't give her a great deal of money - sent the letter back with the words "Publish and be damned" written accross it... Pardon the thread creep... |
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10 Aug 99 - 01:30 PM (#103732) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GeorgeH Well the fact that something exists in a previous thread doesn't, of course, mean its correct . . For instance, following the link back I find: > (John Tams) was musical director to Brilly Bryden's > Company at the Royal Theatre for tendyears Which actually refers to Bill Bryden at the National Theatre . . . More importantly, after Ashley Hutchins took the Albion Band (minus most of its members) elsewhere, Tams remained at the National Theatre with Home Service - which for a while had him AND Bill Caddick as vocalists. THAT really was the high-point of UK Folk-Rock . . Their albums (now all available on CD) should be in everyone's collection. And - more to the point if you live in the UK - according to Tams at Sidmouth, the magnificent production of The Mysteries is to be brought back into the NT repetoire. BTW the work at the National Theatre also included Linda Thompson (amongst a range of female singers); Linda is in the recording of The Mysteries which was broadcast in the UK. And reverting to Sharp . . Has anyone mentioned John Gay in the context of "Over the Hills . .", or the Shirley and Dolly Collins recording of it? If so, I missed it on my skim reading. Cheers! G. |
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10 Aug 99 - 04:10 PM (#103784) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Lesley N. John Gay was in the 'O'er the Hills' Thread so was George Farqhuar (Gay actually paid George for use of the tune). I don't recall the Collins though...
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23 Sep 04 - 09:24 AM (#1279072) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,louisemaple@onetel.com looking for the sound track to Sharps Rifles, anyone got any idears where i could fing the soundtrack or similiar types of old folk music. Thanks GED louisemaple@onetel.com |
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23 Sep 04 - 11:20 AM (#1279151) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: manitas_at_work Louise, See the above thread. It can be obtained from Virgin records. Sharpe has an 'e' at the end. |
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23 Sep 04 - 11:27 AM (#1279159) Subject: Lyr Add: OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY (Tams) From: Chris Green Full lyrics go as follows... OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY Here's forty shillings on the drum For those who'll volunteer to come And list and fight the foe today Over the hills and far away O'er the hills and o'er the main Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain King George commands and we obey, Over the hills and far away When duty calls me I must go To stand and face another foe But part of me will always stray Over the hills and far away If I should fall to rise no more Like many comrades did before Then ask the pipes and drums to play Over the hills and far away So fall in lads behind the drum With colours blazing like the sun Along the road to come what may Over the hills and far away John Tams 1994 If you want a recording of it, we've got a free mp3 download from our album on our website (www.isambarde.co.uk) Click on the section marked "press pack". Chris |
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23 Sep 04 - 01:33 PM (#1279233) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Dead Horse The song is traditional, with added lyrics by Tams. The original had many more verses. Tams version is much more singable. I am much more interested in the recording of Rogues March. I used to dance Longsword to that tune, and was surprised to find it had words. I tried for years to find the complete lyrics for it, all to no avail. What I did learn was that the tune was written by an army bandmaster for the express purpose of being played at "Drumming Out" ceremonies, where some poor unfortunate was dismissed from the army in disgrace. The words were made up by soldiers, and were completely unofficial. If anybody DOES know of any lyrics (apart from those I made up myself) I would be most pleased to hear from them. Tams sings "Tuppence I got for selling me coat, tuppence for selling me blanket" etc. But it has also been noted as "Fifty I got for selling me coat, fifty for me blankets" the 'fifty' refering to the number of lashes awarded as sentence for this terrible crime!!! |
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23 Sep 04 - 02:15 PM (#1279265) Subject: Lyr Add: OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY From: Fliss Our 'prentice Tom may now refuse To wipe his scoundrel Master's Shoes, For now he's free to sing and play Over the Hills and far away. Over the Hills and O'er the Main, To Flanders, Portugal and Spain, The queen commands and we'll obey Over the Hills and far away. We all shall lead more happy lives By getting rid of brats and wives That scold and bawl both night and day - Over the Hills and far away. Over the Hills and O'er the Main, To Flanders, Portugal and Spain, The queen commands and we'll obey Over the Hills and far away. Courage, boys, 'tis one to ten, But we return all gentlemen All gentlemen as well as they, Over the hills and far away. Over the Hills and O'er the Main, To Flanders, Portugal and Spain, The queen commands and we'll obey Over the Hills and far away. http://www.contemplator.com/england/overhls.html Contemplators site has the tune too. |
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23 Sep 04 - 02:16 PM (#1279266) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Fliss Ps Sean Bean, doesnt that mean 'old woman' in gaelic! Ive had him on my list as a stocking filler at christmas for years! mmmmmmmmm |
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23 Sep 04 - 03:14 PM (#1279292) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Blowzabella Nay, nay, tha'll never see Sean Bean in stockings! What's tha thinking of? He's a Yorkshireman! |
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23 Sep 04 - 08:20 PM (#1279465) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Peter from Essex The CD is also available from Amazon.co.uk - classified as "classical". A search on "John Tams" will bring it up. |
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23 Sep 04 - 09:23 PM (#1279510) Subject: Lyr Add: OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY From: GUEST,Anne Croucher I have sung a version of this for decades - I don't know who I got it from, I know heard it sung - I am not sure of the spelling of Galway/Galvey for instance. I also have words for the rogues march. Now the drum beats up again For all true soldiers, gentlemen To list and serve without delay Go over the hills and far away CHORUS Over hills and o'er the plain Through Flanders Portugal and Spain Queen Ann commmands and we obey When over the hills and far away There's twenty shillings on the drum For he who volunteers to come There's shirt and coat and present pay When over the hills and far away He who's forced to go and fight Will never gain true honour by it The volunteer will win the day Whan over the hills and far away No more from sound of gun retreat Whilst Marlborough and Galvay beat The French and Spaniards every day When over the hills and far away Aprentice Thomas may refuse To do as his angry master chose For he is free to sing and play He's over the hills and far away We then shall lead more happy lives By getting rid of brats and wives That scold and grumble as they may We're over the hills and far away Come on now boys and you shall see That very soon you 'll Captains be You'll whore and rant through every day When over the hills and far away The tune I use is very slightly plainer than the one used in Sharp's Rifles, the popularity of the program is obvious as the chorus always gets the ornamentation thrust upon it Should I put the words to the rogues march on here? Anne |
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24 Sep 04 - 12:47 AM (#1279630) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: EBarnacle Read the books. I haven't seen the TV series but if half as good as the books, it is formidable. |
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24 Sep 04 - 07:48 AM (#1279823) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Fliss Ive heard that version too Anne. Was at Warwick Festival in July. Aimed to see John Tamms and missed most of the performance by talking outside with friends! f |
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24 Sep 04 - 09:14 AM (#1279891) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Snuffy Rogue's March |
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24 Sep 04 - 02:04 PM (#1280162) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Dead Horse Thanks Snuffy, but them is da lyrics wot I writ! :-) |
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26 Sep 04 - 01:31 PM (#1281525) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Blowzabella Robert (Bob) White, who plays pipes, whistles and brass in The New Scorpion Band was the pipe major in this series, particularly in Sharpe's Sword - not a huge part, but he does get his name on the credits. The tales he tells about the filming conditions are very much like Jason Salkey (Rifleman Harris) does in his Diary series. Not exactly luxurious. |
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26 Sep 04 - 03:00 PM (#1281583) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Snuffy And them is da dots wot I done. Gin ....... |
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26 Sep 04 - 03:23 PM (#1281599) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,jennifer There's talk of reviving Sharpe, but of course Hagman (aka John Tams) is dead, so not sure where that leaves us with regard to music. Does anyone know some guitar chords for Over the Hills? People keep posting messages about it on my guestbook. |
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17 Oct 07 - 05:09 AM (#2172811) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Tania Hi, don't know if anyone is still interested but I remember a song in Sharpe's Rifles which Cooper starts and then Hogan sings as well in a different camp. Some lines are: the old king's hard bargain, they sent me to king George's army, so adieu to old England adieu. I don't know if this is an original napoleonic song or something adapted but I can't find it anywhere on the net and it's starting to annoy me! I can't get the tune out of my head and would love to have all the lyrics. I love 'over the hills' but this song used to get me aswell. |
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17 Oct 07 - 06:25 AM (#2172833) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Roger the Skiffler All the Chosen Men seemed to have been killed off in the last tv series- recently repeated out of order) on UKTV History- Just in time for the channel has now gone off the air on Freeview in the evenings as I was hoping to watch Tenko again! Rts |
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17 Oct 07 - 08:34 AM (#2172893) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Lowden Jameswright Sean Bean - 100% Blade bless him - though our beloved Blades are pretty blunt at the moment! |
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17 Oct 07 - 12:01 PM (#2173043) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Henryp Yes, but his tattoo has to be concealed when everything else is revealed. |
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17 Oct 07 - 01:11 PM (#2173060) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Mr Happy Sharpe's Rifles on You Tube, here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vOAWSU5_4t4 |
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18 Oct 07 - 03:19 AM (#2173428) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Elfcall Guest - Tania The song I think you are looking for is 'Here's Adieu To All Judges And Juries' Elfcall |
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18 Oct 07 - 06:19 AM (#2173490) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: theleveller I love the way John Tams combines 'O'er the Hills', along with 'Farewell To You Spanish Ladies', into his own composition, 'Spanish Bride' on the Unity CD. |
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18 Oct 07 - 08:52 AM (#2173555) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Tunesmith Youtube. This is well done. And, sexy Sean can be heard reciting the words of the song. And John Tams does some real damage to those nasty French soldiers. "Over the Hills" Sharpe montage |
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02 Nov 07 - 01:18 PM (#2185134) Subject: RE: SharpE's Rifles From: GUEST Old Wellington, he scratched his bum. He says, "Bony lad, thee's had thee fun." My riflemen will win the day Over the hills and far away. |
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02 Nov 07 - 02:41 PM (#2185186) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Dead Horse I have often been asked to sing Over the Hills and Far Away myself :-) |
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03 Nov 07 - 12:54 PM (#2185671) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: scouse Just bought the Box set of Sharpe (15 Dvd's) the complete series from Amazon for less than Fifty Quid. Well worth every penny.. Superb!!! As Aye, Phil. |
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05 Dec 07 - 06:03 PM (#2209456) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,George the Bugler Hi guys, i love sharpe and as for the tune, it's brilliant, there is a version of over the hill and far away that is played as a bugle call, in the navy it's called grog call thats as far i i know about the call at the mo |
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06 Dec 07 - 06:03 AM (#2209727) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Blowzabella I think that there is a version of the song which goes back to Marlborough's time - with mention of Queen Anne, rather than King George. |
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06 Dec 07 - 04:35 PM (#2209991) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Herga Kitty Blowabella - yes, that's how I originally learnt it, as "Queen Anne commands", but it got updated for Georges I, II, III, IV.... Fliss's post of 23 September 04 above mentions the queen's version. The link to the John Gay version seems to have fallen over. Kitty |
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27 Dec 07 - 06:44 PM (#2223437) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Big Phil Is there any Tablature available for Mandolin for John Tams version, googled all over, but can't find any. Big Phil |
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10 Nov 08 - 06:17 PM (#2490292) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Plantman Has anyone got harmonica tabs for ' Over the Hills and Far Away '? |
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10 Nov 08 - 07:07 PM (#2490332) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: pdq There may be confusion among some US'ns from the spelling in the thread title. Here, Sharps Rifle refers to a large (approx 50 cal) firearm manufactured by the Sharps Rifle Manufacturing Company. They were in business from 1848 through 1881. Original designer was named Christian Sharps. The Brittish movie and soundtrack spell the name Sharpe. |
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11 Nov 08 - 05:18 AM (#2490567) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Compton Just a thought...does anyone know who might be the lead guitar on the TV and recordings?...It sounds like Graeme Taylor..but don't know for sure! |
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01 Feb 09 - 09:14 AM (#2554405) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: rich-joy Hard as it may be for UK Catters to believe, my Sig.Other and I have only recently become aware of the Sharpe series!! Our excuse is that the first 15 shows were never shown on Australian TV (well, not on Aunty ABC, anyway!!) - only the later "Sharpe's Challenge" has been seen. Nor had we ever read any of Cornwell's books. Anyway, mainly due to the allure of John Tams' singing and acting (along with the prospect of some interesting British historical drama), we treated ourselves to the complete series for Xmas - and we are both absolutely enthralled!! What a great series!! (and to be sure, the younger Sean Bean is not half bad, either!!) Oz catters, do yourselves a favour - go buy the package of 10 CDs. Aunty will never show them (I wrote and asked), so you'll just have to buy your own! ENJOY!!! Cheers! R-J |
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01 Feb 09 - 11:47 AM (#2554502) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Edthefolkie I suppose UK Catters know this anyway, but just for the colonials - John Tams and Barry Coope always finish their gigs with "Over the Hills and Far Away". Seen 'em do it twice in the last year and on both occasions lots of the audience joined in, it were great. Nice to see earlier on in the thread that somebody namechecked "The Mysteries" with which Tam was heavily concerned - quite right about it being a sort of summit of UK folk rock. Just been watching Tam sing "Lewk Up, Lewk Up" on my unofficial DVD of The Passion. Graeme Taylor on mandolin, cosmic. Also featuring Linda Thompson, Philip Pickett, Bill Caddick, Howard Evans, oh God loads more familiar faces too. And I spotted the late great Brian Glover aka God joining in on "We Sing Hallelujah" at the end. |
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01 Feb 09 - 11:57 AM (#2554507) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: bubblyrat I always thought that the whole point of the song was to relate the events ,conditions and geographical locations relevant to the Duke of Marlborough's campaigns and victories ?? In which case,the commanding Sovereign could only be Queen Anne,although I could see how the song might be adapted to suit later events from the time when King George WAS in the picture-----I always sing " Queen Anne ",'though !! |
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01 Feb 09 - 04:02 PM (#2554727) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Keith A of Hertford Me too. It goes with "commands". The song was in use though. |
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01 Feb 09 - 05:45 PM (#2554803) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: The Vulgar Boatman Here's a fragment gleaned from an ancient "Oxford Companion to Music" concerning the Rogue's March. "The Rogues' March, is almost identical with the tune of the well known (sic) 'Right Little, Tight Little Island' of Dibdin. There are many printed copies in the eighteenth century but, apparently, none earlier...see a description [of drumming out] in Lt. Col. Mackenzie-Rogan's 'Fifty Years of Army Music' - where the tune is given" |
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14 Aug 10 - 12:23 PM (#2965104) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST cooper ..a curse on all judges and juries justice and old bailey too for they bade me to king georges army so adieu to old england adieu. hogan...so across the seas did they take me to stand by the red wight and blue for they gave me they gave me the old kings hard bargin so adieu to old england adieu. if i should fall to rise no more as many comrades did before then ask the fifes and drums to play over the hills and far away oer the hills and oer the main through flanders portugal and spain king george commands and we obey over the hills and fa away There are amny variations to the first verse of over the hills |
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01 Nov 10 - 11:01 PM (#3021304) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: EBarnacle As I was flipping from channel to channel tonight, I heard "Over the Hills and Far Away." Stuck around and found Sharpe in India during the troubles, as a Colonel. Good show in every sense. |
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31 Dec 10 - 09:36 AM (#3064401) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Epiphany In Sharpe's Rifles, there is a song that is sung by Cooper,whilst he is on sentry duty. It is continued by Hogan once Cooper's voice fades out. I've tried searching for the lyrics to it but can't seem to find the correct ones. Any help would be nice :) |
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31 Dec 10 - 03:44 PM (#3064633) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Gurney I used to sing a Scots-accented variant with the (sort of) chorus 'Victoria commands by land and sea, so list, bonnie laddie, an' come wi' me.' Must see if I can find the words. |
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31 Dec 10 - 05:22 PM (#3064667) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Dead Horse This one ? |
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01 Jan 11 - 11:08 AM (#3065015) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Rumncoke I can't equate Tight Little Island and the Rogues' March - there are a few similarities maybe, but - at least the way I sing/play them they are quite distinct Anne Croucher |
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01 Jan 11 - 02:32 PM (#3065117) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Gurney That's the one, Dead Horse. Mostly the same tune as Tams', depending on who's version you are stealing. I used to have two versions on recordings, and have heard others a little different. I was very much into Trad, once. |
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03 Jan 11 - 05:29 AM (#3066072) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST Over the hills also appears on one the Strawhead Albums (in the "Queen Anne commands" version (and "who'll be a soldier for Marlborough and me" I think.) |
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03 Jan 11 - 06:06 AM (#3066088) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: GUEST,Elfcall Epiphany I have not watched Sharpe's Rifles for some time but I am sure the song you are referring to is 'Here's Adieu to All Judges and Juries' Elfcall |
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09 Feb 11 - 03:18 PM (#3091976) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Angrybean I think it's a great series and bought the album years ago, I've finally managed to play two of the tunes. Both arranged for fingerpicking on acoustic guitar. The Spanish Bride Love Farewell Hopefully if you watch, you make like 'em, or at least not throw fruit at the screen. Cheers Ang p.s. or tomatoes LOL |
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06 Aug 16 - 02:22 PM (#3803914) Subject: Over the Hills (and far away) From: Felipa I was just listening to a couple of Over the Hills on youtube recorded by Treebeard |
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07 Aug 16 - 03:50 AM (#3803982) Subject: RE: Sharp's Rifles From: Keith A of Hertford In UK the Drama Channel has been rerunning the series. |