BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?

16 Apr 10 - 11:13 PM (#2888345)
Subject: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Videos of the "spitting and n-word" incident have now been reviewed endlessly, and no proof has been found that any of the alleged actions took place. In fact, one of the principals involved in the event (Rep. Heath Shuler, Democrat, North Carolina) has now recanted his original statements. He lied. From the Wall Street Journal:

Shuler was walking with Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, an African-American, toward the Capitol building when the crowd starting yelling racial epithets at Cleaver, who was a civil rights activist in the 1970s. They even spat at him.

"It was the most horrible display of protesting I have ever seen in my life," Shuler said.

Multiple members of Congress reported racial epithets being shouted at African-American members over the weekend.

"It breaks your heart that the way they display their anger is to spit on a member and use that kind of language," Shuler said.

But when we phoned Shuler's office this afternoon, press secretary Julie Fishman told us the local reporter misunderstood. According to Fishman, Shuler's comments to the Times-News referred to the general tenor of the protests, not to the black congressmen's specific allegations.

Fishman said that Shuler was not walking with Cleaver and did not hear the "N-word."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303348504575184081507879688.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Shuler lied and incited to riot. This would meet the terrorist criteria spelled out in Section 802 of the PATRIOT Act. Shuler is a terrorist. False witness, too, which undermines everything that all civilized societies are based on, so he's also a barbarian. He needs to be prosecuted. The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

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16 Apr 10 - 11:17 PM (#2888351)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: michaelr

You are a moron. Find some moron's forum to bother.

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16 Apr 10 - 11:20 PM (#2888355)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: MarkS

Why a moron?

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16 Apr 10 - 11:23 PM (#2888356)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Thank you for your input.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Shuler's lie was calculated to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

He's a terrorist. By definition.

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17 Apr 10 - 12:16 AM (#2888377)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

Seems to me th eguy who was hooting and spraying was trying to intimidate far more energetically than the guy who was walking with dignity toward the courthouse.

But as far as you have shown us, Ichy, you seem to have a knack for turning things upside down, like a fun-house mirror.

A

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17 Apr 10 - 01:14 AM (#2888394)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth

The Girl Scouts a Terrorist Organization?

Don Firth

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17 Apr 10 - 01:17 AM (#2888397)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Why did I know from the title that this piece of ridiculousness would be started by ichMael? Can I interest you in a different hobby?

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17 Apr 10 - 02:13 AM (#2888405)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Joe Offer

Can somebody explain the logic of the first post? What IS he saying?

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17 Apr 10 - 03:12 AM (#2888417)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: katlaughing

It's the Ick-male Factor, folks, every website must have one..totally illogical with no original thoughts of its own..automatons of Fox et alia.

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17 Apr 10 - 08:26 AM (#2888496)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Another Martin "mental midget" Gibson...

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17 Apr 10 - 09:29 AM (#2888516)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Greg F.

Being a moron means never having to explain what you're saying.
Or saying your're sorry.

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17 Apr 10 - 06:49 PM (#2888800)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: dick greenhaus

I haven't heard the Democratic Party describes as an organization in decades...

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17 Apr 10 - 06:49 PM (#2888801)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Let's see what feedback this topic has received. People are piling on the Tea Party for some reason, calling them KKK and such, and their only "crime" is conservatism. So here, with Shuler, we have an actual act of terrorism committed by an elected Democrat, and I expect the open, enlightened minds on this forum will roundly condemn the behavior.

You are a moron.

Oh, yeah, I saw that one last night. Thanks again for the input. These little Mudcat pages are becoming pretty popular. I may start dedicating them. I guess I'd dedicate this one to michaelr, since he threw first epithet.

you seem to have a knack for turning things upside down

Yes, it does seem odd how this developed. Kind of upside down. The REPUBLICANS are supposed to be the racists, yet here we have a Democratic Representative lying and using race in a detestable way.

The Girl Scouts a Terrorist Organization?

No, the Democratic Party. A domestic terrorist organization. Shuler broke the law and endangered life, and he did it in an attempt to influence government policy. (See above, Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act). It appears he did it to draw attn away from the DeathCare bill that was coming up for a vote, so he definitely influenced government policy with the action.

Why did I know from the title that this piece of ridiculousness would be started by ichMael

Couldn't say. Psychic?

Can somebody explain the logic of the first post? What IS he saying?

Rep. Shuler is a member of the Democratic Party. Shuler broke a law and endangered life while attempting to influence government policy. That is a "domestic terrorism" crime according to the PATRIOT Act. He needs to be charged accordingly.

totally illogical with no original thoughts of its own..automatons of Fox et alia.

Fox television? I believe I quit watching TV before Fox debuted. And actually, this thread is my brainchild completely. I've neither heard nor read of anyone else addressing this issue.

Another Martin "mental midget" Gibson...

Hm. From the racist. No telling what that's code for.

Being a moron means never having to explain what you're saying.

I expect that's true. I'd ask you to elucidate but...never mind.

So much for the feedback. Lots of name-calling, like I expected. Maybe I'll do a webpage on the incident with regards to its terroristic aspects. You folks will conveniently forget about the episode now, and the next time they want you distracted they'll point again and you'll go running off in the designated direction.

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17 Apr 10 - 06:54 PM (#2888807)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

Ichmael:

White man yeling, hooting, hollering while Rep Schuler walks past him, in a dignified self-possessed way. Suddenly something hits Schuler on the side of the face. He stops and steps back and has some words with the loudmouth. Then he turns and proceeds on his way, wiping the side of his face.

Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?


A

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17 Apr 10 - 07:23 PM (#2888823)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

He's just the kind who cannot admit that his heroes are a bunch of redneck racists Amos, probably because he's one of them.

Don T.

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17 Apr 10 - 07:57 PM (#2888843)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yo, Icth,

Bring yer dumbass self down her to Page County, Va. and call me a racist!!! I mean, Bring it on, asshole!!!

You might not like my arguments but I will not have you, or anyone, calling me a racist...

Yeah, bring yer wimpy, cowardly ass on down, big guy!!!

Square business, jerko!!!

BTW, unlike you, am am transparent... You won't have any thouble finding me... Just come to Page County, Va. and ask anyone where "Sidewalk Bib" lives... They'll tell ya and then bring yer cowardly self up here and call me a racist!!!

I mean, tonight, jerko!!!

That's "Sidewalk Bob"... I'll be waiting on yer liein', cowardly, dumbass self, ya hear???

B~

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17 Apr 10 - 08:14 PM (#2888850)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe

"The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable."

The trend of the lunatic right using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

So what's the bloody difference - they're all stupid Yanks, as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

Orwell said in Animal Farm near the end - that the animals looked from the pigs to the men and back, and now could discern no difference....

The only way to differentiate yourself, and 'prove' yourself (most importantly TO yourself) the best, is thus to shout the loudest, and most importantly, "get in first".

Thus someone who posts "The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable." is clearly from the lunatic right.

Q.E.D.

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17 Apr 10 - 08:22 PM (#2888852)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

Yep, as Orwell demonstrated, the wording is perfect, but only as long as YOUR brand of nutters is holding the reins of power... once you are on the receiving end of such legislation, you will howl just how "Communist", or whatever is the current key word that legislation is....

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So much for the feedback. Lots of name-calling, like I expected. Maybe I'll do a webpage on the incident with regards to its terroristic aspects. You folks will conveniently forget about the episode now, and the next time they want you distracted they'll point again and you'll go running off in the designated direction.
UNQUOTE

Ha! Proves you're right! You can't make rational arguments, so you will now sit in the corner and hold your breath till you turn blue... Oh Please Do! - just don't came back here then, or we won't believe anything ELSE you say...


"Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?"

A 'special' sort - after all, HE has a webpage.... :-)

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18 Apr 10 - 01:39 AM (#2888993)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

OOOOOOOOOOOH! How scarey!

Bobert can call anybody he wants a racist but don't try it on him, the Ayatollah of Mudville.

Must be hittin' the 'shine extra hard tonight.

Any way, all that said. Icky is a drooling, phlegmatic troll.

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18 Apr 10 - 08:25 AM (#2889098)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

I don't personalize "racist" it here in Mudville, Sawz... That is the difference... But you won't get that either...

Speaking of the "Ayatollah of Mudville"... You might want to add that little bit of "projectionism" to yer list when you see yer shrink next...

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18 Apr 10 - 07:47 PM (#2889418)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe

"The trend of the lunatic left using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable."

The trend of the lunatic right using false flag tactics is growing, and it is unconscionable.

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18 Apr 10 - 08:46 PM (#2889448)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: kendall

It grieves me to see such name calling here. We all know it is forbidden even if we don't like the recipient of such abuse.
Rules are no good if they don't apply to all.

Notice that I'm ignoring the poster.

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18 Apr 10 - 10:18 PM (#2889486)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yeah, Capt'n... I prolly should also... The only problem is that the "poster" is also a cyber-stalker who has stalked me from another website and has some very serious obsessive things going on in regards to me??? It's easy to ignore someone else's stalker but when it's you, it's a different story...

Yeah, I might get a little stoked up here and there but, geeze, I really ain't prime stalkable USDA stuff here... Maybe "Choice" with a tail wind... lol...

BTW, I might need to borrow yer harpoon...

B~

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18 Apr 10 - 11:02 PM (#2889505)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bill D

". Shuler broke a law and endangered life while attempting to influence government policy."

laughable analysis. Figgers, considering the source.

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18 Apr 10 - 11:40 PM (#2889518)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

If you want laughable, just go to Youtube and witness how cops invoke the PATRIOT Act when they're making arrests. Or, it's not laughable, it's sad. And Shuler...well, he's a bad one. I'm thinking of making him my project this week. The Democratic Party is harboring a domestic terrorist.

But let's see what constructive criticism has been posted here since yesterday.

Are you a purblind eedjit? Or just the normal sort?

Never really considered that one.

his heroes are a bunch of redneck racists Amos, probably because he's one of them.

Ah, yes. Invoking skin color in a slur and then claiming moral high ground on the subject of racism. There's another one around here who does that.

Bring yer dumbass self down her to Page County... Bring it on, asshole!!! ... Yeah, bring yer wimpy, cowardly ass on down... Square business, jerko!!! ... unlike you, am am transparent... You won't have any thouble finding me... ask anyone where "Sidewalk Bib" lives... bring yer cowardly self up here... I'll be waiting on yer liein', cowardly, dumbass self, ya hear???

Hm. Speak of the devil. Old Sidewalk Bib himself. He says he's transparent but "you wont have any trouble finding me." That's a puzzler.

they're all stupid Yanks

Lives under a queen. Nuff said.

drooling, phlegmatic troll.

I'm not phlegmatic.

It grieves me to see such name calling here. We all know it is forbidden

lol. That's rich. Tell that to Streetwalker Bib.

The only problem is that the "poster" is also a cyber-stalker who has stalked me from another website and has some very serious obsessive things going on in regards to me???

lol. Speak of the devil again. So, what, I'm supposed to be a stalker? lol. Believe me, I don't even read your posts normally. I'm only reading the ones in line here out of a spirit of all-inclusiveness. But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Democrats are displaying right now. Your guy hasn't ended the wars, he's giving even MORE U.S. tax money to privately-owned foreign banks, he DOUBLED funding for the murder of American children, and so on and so on and so on. And it's driving you people nuts. And that's the way Obama-nosis wants you...so whacked out that you'll do anything to defend the good name(s) of der fuhrer.

I had some doubts about whether I should pursue the Shuler thing this week or pick up something else, but all these words of encouragement tell me Shuler's the way to go.

Thanks for the input.

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19 Apr 10 - 12:04 AM (#2889526)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

itchy: But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Democrats are displaying right now.

You can't be for real.

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19 Apr 10 - 12:16 AM (#2889532)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

that little bit of "projectionism"

Is projectionism when you say somebody hates this or that about 22 times without them actually having said they hate something?

"Projectionism is particularly common among racists & other bigots. They will commonly make bigoted comments & then deny that they are bigots; and further defend themselves by accusing the person that normally initially accuses them first of being the very thing that they more often than not end up accusing the other person of being."

I was satirically comparing you to an Ayatollah, an ultimate authority figure.

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19 Apr 10 - 12:21 AM (#2889534)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe

"they're all stupid Yanks"

I think I said that? It's a common friendly Aussie insult born out of the fact that they came over here to help defend our country and married many of our girls.

We don't really consider ourselves to 'live under a Queen' here. Damn, I can remember the days when we only HAD one Queen in Australia... :-)

Of course I am from Queensland... :-P

But you are pretty interesting because you show the kind of mental deterioration that so many Republicans are displaying right now.

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19 Apr 10 - 02:53 AM (#2889565)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Bobert claims I followed him from another website.

I was searching for the origin of some of the weird stuff he posts on mudcat and found his postings on another forum.

I put some of the statements he made on the other forum here and he claims that is somehow wrong.

Whenever I find a conflicting post he made on mudcat and bring it to his attention, he claims that is somehow wrong.

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19 Apr 10 - 05:23 AM (#2889632)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Kendall

Not only did the Yanks take many of your women off your hands, they also kept you from having to learn to speak Japanese. :-)

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19 Apr 10 - 06:53 AM (#2889683)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: The Fooles Troupe

Oh dear, looks like the mods deleted my polite invitation for you to depart from our doors... can't understand why, didn't use any naughty words....

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19 Apr 10 - 07:41 AM (#2889715)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Don't flatter yerself, itch... Yer just the new kid on the block and not in the same league as Sawz...

B~

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19 Apr 10 - 09:23 AM (#2889779)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

I take that as a compliment.

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19 Apr 10 - 04:04 PM (#2890051)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Donuel

I have taken baths deeper than the originator of this thread.

This thread is a trollish example of the ideological remnants of the KKK, John Birch society, The National Prayer Breakfast (C Street) crowd and the myriad of hate groups with single or multiple issue grudges.

This being the McVeigh bombing anniversery, the emotions of the right wing is running high with a sense of pride in the menancing agnst they instill in the civil and historicly aware citizens of our beloved country.

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19 Apr 10 - 08:44 PM (#2890275)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

So, Donuel, I think you oughtta start a contest as to which of our rightie-wing nuts here in Mudville is going to be the next Tim McVeigh???

Whaddayathink??? It got *Donuel* written all over it...

I donno???

B~

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19 Apr 10 - 09:26 PM (#2890294)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

I may pass on the Shuler webpage. I'm trying to interest some journalists in picking up the domestic terrorism angle.

Shuler made his false allegations on the weekend before the healthcare vote. 2/3 of America against the bill, juggernaut pushing ahead to a vote, then it's Time Out to finger point over the N-word, while the vote comes and goes. Shuler was part of a diversionary ruse.

Then later he said the reporter made a mistake. But (this is the interesting part), Shuler has a history of lying to the media. He did it once before in a case involving the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority). Look up Shuler+TVA etc and you'll see the stories. He lied to the press.

I hope the reporters I contacted with this stuff see the connections. In a couple of weeks, if this is headline news, you can tell people you heard it here first.

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19 Apr 10 - 10:27 PM (#2890328)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

ichMael: I may pass on the Shuler webpage.

This has a lot of the same letters as "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up."

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19 Apr 10 - 10:36 PM (#2890337)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Shuler's a censured liar. It's his M.O. They needed a white guy to say he heard the black guys called names. And he's dumb enough to think it wasn't any big deal. But it's domestic terrorism. Or so I think. I've turned over what I have pieced together to some reporters. We shall see what happens.

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19 Apr 10 - 11:58 PM (#2890378)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Bobert's still pissed because he was rejected for the part of Archie Bunker.

They said he was too bigoted and racist.

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20 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM (#2891006)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Find someone else to obsess over... And don't ever call me a racist again or I'll hunt yer cowardly ass down and put a hillbilly ass whup on you that you'll never forget... That is the one label that I will not have thrown at me... Square business...

Got it???

BTW, I ain't pissed off about about nuthin' except you and yer buddy, itchy, thinkin' that it's okay to call me a racist... Neither of you know shit about me...

Tell ya' what, Sawz... Tell the folks here just how involved you and your family were in the civil rights movement... Tell 'um how you spent almost 20 years of yer life working with and living with black folks... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um how yer family brought a young black kid into yer family who lived as yer brother until he was tradgically killed in an auto accident just a couple monthys shy of his 21st birthday... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um of how much time you spent in Tent City during the "Poor People Campaign"... tell how you became a blues musican by going into Mississippi several times and hanging for days and weeks with rural black bluesplayers... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um how you spent almost every Saturday afternoon for years and years at a Archie Edwards Barber Shop in NE Washington, DC playing blues with black people.... Yeah, tell 'um... Tell 'um about how the late N.J. Warren would call me son and I would call him dad... Yeah, tell 'um, Saws...

Until then, you have no right to make stupid, ignorant statements about me or anyone else...

Got it, now???

B~

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20 Apr 10 - 10:11 PM (#2891053)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth

Sawz, by trying to lay that kind of thing on Bobert, you just lost a bucketful of credibility, and believe me, you don't have that much to lose.

And what makes that kind of bogus comment downright ludicrous is that judging by a lot of your posts, you'd make an even better Archie Bunker that Carroll O'Conner did. Hard to beat type-casting.

Except for one thing:   O'Conner was funny. You're not.

Don Firth

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21 Apr 10 - 01:31 AM (#2891126)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Yeah I got it Bobert but you believe anybody that didn't do all those things are somehow racist. You think they are not qualified to make their own judgments so you have to jump in there keep them straight.

You don't know me either. Do you think I purposefully avoided doing all those things you did? The reason I call you racist is because you obsess over it as if it is some sort of religion.

I have no problems with race, only the people who keep whipping the horse. The flames of racism will never die as long as people keep pouring on the gasoline. As long as they want everybody to treat one person different from another person because of their race.

I will give you an example. Obama gave a speech on something. It was a good speech but after wards there were these "progressives" saying "Oooh I almost forgot he was black"

Jesus Christ on a crutch. Why do they have to keep remembering he is black unless they are racist? I don't even think about it anymore. It is a fact of life.

Every time I hear on the radio somebody was "black man" or "he was a white man" I think why in the fuck do they have to mention that? The only difference it could possibly make is to piss somebody off and serves no positive purpose.

The whole world would be a better place if we quit saying it.

Do we still call each other whops or frogs or krauts? That shit died out. Let the black and white die out too.

When you say something like "So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "nigga" out???"

What the hell are you saying? You accusing people that do not happen to agree with Obama of wanting to ruin the country because they are racist and don't like him.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe people don't like his policies?

No you don't think so you want to start up some kind of racial thing to protect Obama. You want to play the race card.

Do you believe it is impossible for him to be wrong? If he does not do a good job is it possible to elect someone else or we can't do that because of his race?

You are not going to make the world a better place with those racial accusations. You are only going to make it worse.

I think a large majority of people think Obama is a good guy that means well. I do. I think they were hoping the race thing would be over. I remember talking to people and saying so

However somre of these same people believe the things he wants to do are not realistic and unachievable, especially in a bad economy. It has nothing to do with race.

But you who uses the L word like taking another breath believe people are by default, liars.

I take the charge if lying very seriously. I don't think I have ever called anybody a liar. I think not civilized, it is anti social and selfish. It shows the demeanor of the people making the accusation rather than the accused.

If you think people have to be treated differently because of their race then go ahead but I would rather just get on with life.

I don't expect to be treated any differently by any race than they would treat people of their own race or any race. Like wise with religion gender Etc.

There are still racists but they are getting fewer and fewer. In time racism will die out but as long as people keep bringing it up again and again, it will never die.

But you have to keep projecting racisim, hate, killing etc on somebody else because you are intolerant of their beliefs or ideas and you have to stop them. They are evil cause they disagree with you.

What are you accomplishing? Peace? good will? Harmony? Do you think you are teaching anybody anything?

People need to find out what they agree on and work from there, finding more and more things they agree on. First thing you know they are feeling better and more optimistic and start agreeing to things they were against.

You are working in the other direction. Where is that leading? Will it make the world a better place?

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21 Apr 10 - 07:52 AM (#2891264)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

I don't go calling people here racists, Sawz... Yes, I do use the term in reference to groups of people within society... If you feel that yer in one of those groups then you might want to rethink your associations...

But to ***single out*** another Mudcatter as either a racist or a bigot is out of bounds here in this folk music forum... Asshole, knothead, knuckehead, jerk, yeah... Heck, I don't much mind being called that kinda stuff...

Racist or bigot??? No... Not from me personally toward another memeber and vice versa...

Unless it is well earned... But it had better be so overt that Hellen Keller could see it from the grave and I doubt if it was that overt that Joe Offer would allow such a post to stand...

So, argue whatever points you want... That's pefrectly okay just tone down yer "direct" attack labels and all will be fine... Might even go a long way toward me removing the "obsessive compulsive" label I have had to put on you...

B~

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21 Apr 10 - 12:44 PM (#2891434)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Neil D

Repblican congressman Eric Cantor claims someone shot at his office. He surmised it was because he was leading opposition to healthcare reform. As it turns out, a preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman. A spent bullet that had been randomly fired into the air happens to hit the window of a room that isn't even in his main office and Cantor uses it to create a false equivalency with the Democrats who have been targeted by anti-reform extremists. So why isn't the OP of this thread calling the Republican Party a terrorist organization.

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21 Apr 10 - 01:17 PM (#2891455)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

David Axelrod on NPR:

"In Chicago, there was an old tradition of throwing a brick through your own campaign office window, and then calling a press conference to say that you've been attacked."

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21 Apr 10 - 08:45 PM (#2891743)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

The Republican party is a terrorist organization too, Bill D. Look at the 3 requirements to be considered a "domestic terrorist":

1) Endanger human life and
2) Break a law while you
3) Attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion.

The Iraq war. People want to blame it on Bush (even though it's Barry/Barack Obama's war now). But fine, blame it on the Republicans. We were lied into the war. Did the Republicans endanger human life in launching the war? Yes. Did they break laws? Yes. Was it done in an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion? Yes--policy in both the U.S. and Iraq.

So why don't the Democrats sue over the issue? Or at least lock up Bush and Cheney? I'd love to see that.

Almost everything done in Washington now is a terrorist act if you apply the 3 criteria mentioned in the PATRIOT Act.

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21 Apr 10 - 10:14 PM (#2891782)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Well, itch... Yeah, we do blame both wars that Obama inhereted on Bush... But not only Bush... Bush was too ignorant and dumb to realize that the bill off gods that was being sold to him was junk...

Richard Pearl and Paul Wolfowitz tried the same stuff on Bill Clinton and Clinton said, "No thanks"...

Throw in Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, Donnie Rumsfeld and Bush was in way over his head... These folks represented the neo-con vision of the world... One where the US would run the planet... Kinda like the Roman Empire or, more recently, Hitler's Germany....

So Bush, being the C-, frat-boy, coke-kead, drunk, crook was not in any position intellectually to refute or hold back the people in his circle...

I mean, folks may or may not like Obma but you can bet that no one is going to get over on him... He's, ahhhhhhh, a thoughtful man, for a change...

This from a long term Green Party worker, supporter and voter...

B~

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21 Apr 10 - 10:28 PM (#2891786)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Well it's good that we find something to agree on, about the neocons. You folks think I'm bashing Obama, but I'm not. I'm bashing the system that goes from Bush 1 to Clinton to Bush 2 to Obama. The same bankers run all of them. Obama's not thoughtful. That's a facade. He's a fast-tracked mass murderer, same as GW Bush.

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21 Apr 10 - 10:38 PM (#2891789)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

I agree on Bush I, Clinton, Bush II entirely... All the same... No, throw in Reagan, too... I mean, it's been a 3 decade downward spiril for the working class... Oh sure, the US is just as wealthy as it has ever been... Problem is that all the wealth has been corraled by Boss Hog...

As for Obama??? You have locked into too many conspiracy theories where it is impossible for a decent man to become president... By all standards, Obama is not only a decent man but a very intellectually curious one, also... I would have voted for him regardless of party...

Bobert (long time Green Party foot souldier)...

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21 Apr 10 - 11:09 PM (#2891800)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Ichy: knock it off with the negativism. Democrats are no more or less guilty than Republicans of terrorism.

They both use scare tactics and posturing to achieve their main objective, re election.

It is up to the people to not fall for their divide and conquer tactics. To wise up and quit bickering.

They use race baiting, class warfare, threats to national security, whatever. They spend money we don't have to buy the votes of some groups of the population or to reward Groups and companies the give them campaign money.

As per the plan, people form two tribes. Us and them, good vs evil, Repubs vs Dems, smart vs stupid, rich vs poor. It is so easy to see like the Bloods and Crips, Sunni and Shia. The media make a killing off of the division too. Watch my show, buy my book. I will tell you what you want to hear about how evil the other side is.

Tell these bureaucrats they are doing a lousy job and throw their asses out on every election cycle for ten years or so and they will soon learn that their performance is what counts, not their hype and words.

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21 Apr 10 - 11:47 PM (#2891814)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Bobert: I don't think rehashing the past for the 2824th time is productive. I am not going to accuse you of having OCD but it seems that way. A display of bitterness.

Where is the common ground, the consensus? How is that making the world a better place?

"Obama is not only a decent man but a very intellectually curious one"

I agree with that. Is there anything I said that you agree with?

The only reason I called you a racist is because you paint entire classes of people as racist unfairly in my opinion and I wondered how you would like it yourself.

I also believe people that unfairly call someone else a racist, are racist them selves. Racism is about unfairness.

The reason I called you a bigot is because one of the definitions of a bigot is someone that is intolerant of anyone else s political views or doctrines. I think you have illustrated your intolerance here.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.

Do you believe there ever was or will be a society where everybody agrees on everything?

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21 Apr 10 - 11:49 PM (#2891816)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

A Republican, in a wheelchair, entered a restaurant one afternoon and
asked the waitress for a cup of coffee. The Republican looked across the
restaurant and asked, "Is that Jesus sitting over there?"

    The waitress nodded "yes," so the Republican requested that she give
Jesus a cup of coffee, on him.

   The next patron to come in was a Libertarian, with a hunched back. He
shuffled over to a booth, painfully sat down, and asked the waitress for a
cup of hot tea. He also glanced across the restaurant and asked, "Is that
Jesus, over there?"

The waitress nodded, so the Libertarian asked her to give Jesus a cup of
hot tea, "My treat."

The third patron to come into the restaurant was a Democrat on crutches.
He hobbled over to a booth, sat down and hollered, "Hey there honey! How's
about gettin' me a cold mug of Miller Light?" He too looked across the
restaurant and asked, "Isn't that God's boy over there?

The waitress nodded, so the Democrat directed her to give Jesus a cold
beer. "On my bill," he said loudly.

      As Jesus got up to leave, he passed by the Republican, touched him
and said, "For your kindness, you are healed." The Republican felt the
strength come back into his legs, got up, and danced a jig out the door.

   Jesus passed by the Libertarian, touched him and said, "For your
kindness, you are healed." The Libertarian felt his back straightening up
and he raised his hands, praised the Lord, and did a series of back flips
out the door.

   Then, Jesus walked towards the Democrat, just smiling.

    The Democrat jumped up and yelled, "Don't touch me ... I'm collecting disability."

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22 Apr 10 - 12:44 AM (#2891831)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

THIS IS FOR REAL.

Following the devastating earthquake in Haiti, the United States rushed in to help - with money, medicine, and manpower. To date, we've already given over $179 million in humanitarian aid... but Barack Obama has just ordered all U.S. installations to take down their American flags, lest we be seen as an "occupying army" rather than "international partners."

It is patently appalling that a president of the United States would consider our flag to be a symbol of militaristic takeovers and colonialism, especially when serving (to a greater degree than any other nation on Earth) a humanitarian purpose.

Additionally, who would think we'd want to occupy Haiti?!


No other country giving aid in Haiti has lowered its flag. But then again, no other country has a leader who is offended by their own flag.



Hope and Change????

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22 Apr 10 - 12:58 AM (#2891839)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Yes who would possibly equate the US flag with militarism and foreign invasion? Li'l ol' isolationist USA?

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22 Apr 10 - 09:26 AM (#2892032)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Mouser: "Yes who would possibly equate the US flag with militarism and foreign invasion? Li'l ol' isolationist USA?"

Huh???

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22 Apr 10 - 03:03 PM (#2892228)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth

How soon we forget!!

(Some people, anyway.)

Don Firth

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22 Apr 10 - 03:38 PM (#2892250)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

What a bogus, bolloxed up, false-trail bullshit red herring of an issue. GfS, you should be ashamed of yourself for even bringing it up. KeeeRIST, the poppycock that invades some people's brains around here is mind-boggling!!


A

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22 Apr 10 - 06:43 PM (#2892363)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Well, Sawz... I think we do need to rehash yet again what has gotten US into this mess becasue lots of folks have been led to believe that regulation is "socialism" and/or evil... Until folks understand that regulating certain industry practices, while maybe not what that industry wants, is the tonic then we ain't gonna solve squat...

"A problem cannot be solved with the same conscousness that created it"... Einstein...

In other words, allowing industry to police itself is a recipe for disaster...

B~

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22 Apr 10 - 08:19 PM (#2892417)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

The U.S. mission to Haiti IS a military occupation. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas was the only representative to vote against the "aid" resolution to Haiti. Before the vote Paul said:

"I rise in reluctant opposition to this resolution. Certainly I am moved by the horrific destruction in Haiti and would without hesitation express condolences to those who have suffered and continue to suffer. As a medical doctor, I have through my career worked to alleviate the pain and suffering of others. Unfortunately, however, this resolution does not simply express our condolences, but rather it commits the US government "to begin the reconstruction of Haiti" and affirms that "the recovery and long-term needs of Haiti will require a sustained commitment by the United States. . . ." I do not believe that a resolution expressing our deep regret and sorrow over this tragedy should be used to commit the United States to a "long-term" occupation of Haiti...."

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=547

Rasmussen just reported Ron Paul at 41% and Obama/Soetoro at 42% in the race for president.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

Obama's handlers know a trend when they see it. Look for Obama to start adopting more of Ron Paul's stances. And that's all they'll be--stances. Or poses, more accurately.

The bigger story in this is that the media has been ordered to turn on Obama, with bits like this thing about the flags. Remember when he could do no wrong? Compare that time to now. He's being slowly jettisoned.

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22 Apr 10 - 08:35 PM (#2892427)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

By the "liberal" media.

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22 Apr 10 - 08:42 PM (#2892430)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

As for Haiti??? It needa ll the help it can get right now... Hey, I don't think that the folks in Haiti are lookin' at the many fine outsiders who are there helping as colonialists... I don't think Obama or the US even has any aspirations of colonialism 'cause, let's face it, Haiti ain't state material right now... Haiti's resorrces are not what trad-colonilaist think of when lookin' around for some stuff the steal... Quite the opposite with Haiti...

B~

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22 Apr 10 - 08:47 PM (#2892434)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don Firth

What a load of dingo's kidneys!!!

Don Firth

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22 Apr 10 - 09:18 PM (#2892446)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Amos: "What a bogus, bolloxed up, false-trail bullshit red herring of an issue. GfS, you should be ashamed of yourself for even bringing it up. KeeeRIST, the poppycock that invades some people's brains around here is mind-boggling!!"

Now that's what I call a great 'dialogue'...with supporting facts, as well!...Oh well, what can one expect from a 'progressive'....

Single Sentence Definitions, Beliefs or practices of Progressive

"1. Progressive is a characterization of political belief and practice generally to the left of liberal and to the right of Marxist, yet sharing important overlap with both."

No, thank you!

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22 Apr 10 - 09:39 PM (#2892453)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yeah, Amos... Even ol' hillbily wondering what it is that GfS said that got that kinda blast???

I mean, I read it as sarcasim... You know, like not real... Yeah, Amos, I'll be the first to admit that GfS, on many occasions, is like GfI (Guest from Insanity...lol) but I think this time (horrors) I think that GfS is well within the sanity ballpark...

Sorry, pal, I'll make it up to you somehow....

B~

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22 Apr 10 - 09:46 PM (#2892458)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Thanks Bobert...I thought so, too. Too many emotional tantrums from the left side of things, without supporting facts!

By the way, (being as I owe you one).....Remember the 'Womenz' thread?...here's one for you......When was the last time, when you came home from work, (or whatever), did mama, ask, 'How was your day?'

Winking,
GfS

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22 Apr 10 - 09:51 PM (#2892463)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

Oh, for crying out loud. Bobert, GfS posted a piece of crap about people being upset because the US flag was NOT flying over various US aid installations in Haiti. And makes a big deal of same by stressing this is really happening. We're pouring millions of manhours and dollars in to the effort of helping people. Why the F**K should anyone carer if we are flying flags or not? Are they so lamebrained as to think our efforts are less American because we don't wrap them up in a damned FLAG? What's important here--reality? Or a bunch of jingoistic symbols?

A

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23 Apr 10 - 02:48 AM (#2892551)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Amos, oh Dear Amos.....that's what you only THOUGHT it was about??????

I think, because you're head is full of politics, and your love affair with Obama, you missed the point, and bought into the lame rhetoric of this administration!.......Stick to music!

GfS

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23 Apr 10 - 07:56 AM (#2892685)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Well, first things first... Amos is my bud so I ain't going no futher out from the shore than I have allready waded...

Second things second... Yeah, she asks me every day how things went... Mostly she's lookin' fir me to say something that she disagrees with... lol... Nah, we get along fine now that I have internalized "You can either be right or be happy but not neither"... That is the onlyest way to get along with womenz...

B~

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23 Apr 10 - 10:52 AM (#2892774)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

Well, sweety, you're the one who stuck it up there, and if it wasn't about what it said but some other mysterious ubertopic, you could have had the decency to say what you really meant.

A

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23 Apr 10 - 11:34 AM (#2892799)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Bobert:

How about allowing an industry to write it's own reform laws?

You can do that when you donate $994,795.00 to Obama's 2008 campaign, $4,463,788 to Democrats and $1,459,961 to Repubs. And that is Goldman Sachs alone.

CNN JOHN KING show Aired April 20, 2010

....They don't have to enforce certain things. Is that what we're talking about here in all these back door regulations? They're going through changing one word at a time through what is hundreds of pages of legislation?

YELLIN: Absolutely. And one staff member on the Hill told me that they refer -- there's something called the blob. The blob is the combination of lobbyists and staffers working on the bill constantly talking and conferring on what should be in it. And it's such a prevalent part, it is just such an accepted part at how business is done, they name it.

KING: It is striking to me because one senator told me this and I went up to another senator who said they're trying to change shall to may. And I went up to another and said so when the Goldman lobbyists come to you and he said shall/may --....

That's how Chris Dodd finally read the TARP bill and discovered his own staffers put in a clause that specifically protected huge Wall Street bonuses.

And they are doing it while the "progressives" are displaying their OCD by still wailing about past issues.

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23 Apr 10 - 11:45 AM (#2892808)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

Oyez!! Oyez!! Let the record show that Sawz does NOT hold with people being focused on past issues.

All past issues including Sawz' own obsession with past issues are covered by this proclamation.

Any who--as Sawz did in the past--obsess about past issues shall be diagnosed as suffering from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.


A

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23 Apr 10 - 12:16 PM (#2892836)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Geez!..Amos is getting more frantic, as Obama's approval rating sinks down, and the rest of the nation,(and world) is not so infatuated with his hype. He's really not any better than Bush..actually, I think he's a bit worse.
But, on the other hand, I've gotten more back into my music, composing and recording, and just waiting for the other shoe to drop politically. Frankly, I don't see how anyone can see that we're better off with this administration, over the last!...Can you??????

GfS

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23 Apr 10 - 12:32 PM (#2892841)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

Oyveh Oyveh Oyveh.

Let it be known throughout Mudcatainiastan that Amos the Magnificent, master and black belt holder of the Ad Hominum attack, does no concern himself wjth what is happening under his nose.

He is only concerned with spinning what has happened in the past.

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23 Apr 10 - 10:10 PM (#2893176)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

TARP??? Wasn't that Bush's???

But nevermind that... Yeah, I am concerned when Obama goes to Wall Street to supposedly read them the riot act and the next day the stocks go up???

For those of you you have been callin' Obmaa a "liberal" or "socialist", ahhhhhh, seems that those labels might have been premature...

Right now, he's very much a Nixon Republican... If that's liberal or socialist then so be it... No leftie here... Okay, he does write leftie and shoots baskettball with his left hand... That's about a far left as the guy is...

B~

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24 Apr 10 - 12:07 AM (#2893219)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Bush Schmush! Obama did what George couldn't.....like offshore drilling, taking over GM, not closing Guantanamo, and not getting a lot of flack for it, passing a bill to FORCE Americans to buy health insurance from the insurance corporations, bailing out Wall Street, giving away TRILLIONS of OUR tax money to his cronies....shit! name it!
He's a better Bush, than Bush!....and all while being applauded by the 'left'!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine if George did ANY one of those things!!

GfS

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24 Apr 10 - 04:03 AM (#2893268)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

""Imagine if George did ANY one of those things!""

George did a lot worse things than that, and you expect Obama to unravel the mess George left him in just one year.

Who were you confusing him with,.....SUPERMAN?

Don T.

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24 Apr 10 - 12:24 PM (#2893473)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

When are you morons going to quit blaming Bush for EVERYTHING, as an excuse to continue the same policies???..just under a guy who appeals to the other side of the political spectrum??????
Unfortunately, you don't see, that the executive orders that Bush heaped on the executive branch(which were unconstitutional, by the way), and which I pointed out to you all, during the 'election', Obama never repealed!!...but you sure bitched about Bush putting them into effect, when he did it!!!

Now, instead of just re-acting...think about that, for a minute, and think about how this current band of tyrants, now want to screw with our freedom of speech(even on the internet). Remember in the 60's how it was 'Power to the People'?...You think that people have more power now??? You've got to be kidding yourself!!!! We've got the fucking government invading every nano-detail of our lives, and you nitwits keep routing them on!!!!

Bush was wrong, Obama is wrong, Bush Sr. was wrong, Clinton was wrong..and in their bullshit, this nation is eating shit...and you just want them to heap some gravy on it.

Meanwhile, Iran is a sworn, crazy enemy of the west, and pursuing nukes, and you guys think that the Tea Party, the Republicans, and as the thread is titled, the Democrats, are the 'Terrorists'????? Hmmm, sounds like 'Divide and Conquer' to me...and you just keep driving in the wedges, in the name of God only knows what insanity drives you!!!!!

Meanwhile, our borders are porous, to a lot more than just Mexicans, and you guys try to make a 'civil rights' issue of it. Buddy, we're being invaded by a lot more than 'illegal immigrants' looking for welfare or tax free money to send home!

Yes, right wing and left wing are on the same bird, and we're getting the crap kicked out of us!

You might smoke your pot, and think of some ethereal folk song lick on your axe, to lull you into a stupor, but there are those in the world who would love to destroy America, both within and without, and are driven to do so. Hey, have another hit. Maybe you can score and charge it on your credit card!!

GfS

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24 Apr 10 - 12:41 PM (#2893487)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Um, Obama overturned a LOT of Bush's executive orders in his first 100 days.

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24 Apr 10 - 12:44 PM (#2893491)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

The moronic element here, GfS, is that you are painting everyone on this forum into one generality and accusing it of all kinds of wild ideas which many of us do not sahre. You get so heated and histrionic in your righteous condemnation that you lose a good deal of accuracy, and any trace of relative civility. This makes you more a moron than those you seek to lambast.

A

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24 Apr 10 - 01:52 PM (#2893523)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Amos, not only do you just make shit up...you can't spell. To quote you, in regards to that..."You get so heated and histrionic in your righteous condemnation that you lose a good deal of accuracy, and any trace of relative civility. This makes you more a moron than those you seek to lambast." .....and it's lambaste..'share' is not, "sahre."...and the charge was not to.."everyone on this forum into one generality and accusing it of all kinds of wild ideas"....but then YOU'RE the one who replied. Do your ears always perk up, when you hear the words 'moron', and 'nitwit'....then come running?

Stick to music. That's where you're talented!


As for overturning Bush's stuff...not the ones that mattered, as far as making the executive branch out of balance of powers.


GfS

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24 Apr 10 - 04:59 PM (#2893609)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Ah so you admit you lied.

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24 Apr 10 - 05:44 PM (#2893637)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: DougR

Gee, what a civil thread.

DougR

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24 Apr 10 - 06:15 PM (#2893653)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

On politics? You're new aren't you?

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24 Apr 10 - 07:39 PM (#2893700)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Doug R: "Gee, what a civil thread."

As in 'civil war'?????

Jeez, I hope not. I'd rather people share ideas, and come to a logical, truthful conclusion...and those who are interested in the truth, would then come to unity......I mean, if you want something to REALLY sing about!

GfS

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24 Apr 10 - 07:42 PM (#2893703)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

lambast:


S: (v) cane, flog, lambaste, lambast (beat with a cane)
S: (v) call on the carpet, take to task, rebuke, rag, trounce, reproof, lecture, reprimand, jaw, dress down, call down, scold, chide, berate, bawl out, remonstrate, chew out, chew up, have words, lambaste, lambast (censure severely or angrily) "The mother scolded the child for entering a stranger's car"; "The deputy ragged the Prime Minister"; "The customer dressed down the waiter for bringing cold soup"


Elsewhere it is described as an alternate spelling for lambaste, Miss Snoot.

Ordinary typos I plead guilty to. The rest of your horsefeathers should be put back around your neck where they can serve some purpose.

Your mindless diatribes are wildly off the mark, wildly uncivil, and reek of black anger or demented self-importance.

A

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24 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM (#2893719)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

But at least not 'Progressive' as in Marxist! Which doesn't work....well, I guess it does if tens of millions have to be killed, in order for it to take over a country, as in Russia or China.....and then you're left with very little personal rights!!! What a thing to route for, eh??

GfS

P.S. But then Russia's economy imploded, and China didn't flourish economically till a bit of good ol' capitalism was allowed.

GfS

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24 Apr 10 - 09:12 PM (#2893745)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Danged!!! I love this place...

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24 Apr 10 - 10:02 PM (#2893769)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

And off the other wall! And the ceiling! ...


A

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24 Apr 10 - 10:19 PM (#2893780)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Amos, you present a GREAT argument!!

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25 Apr 10 - 12:32 PM (#2894018)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Sawzaw

lambast (beat with a cane)

The Caning of Senator Charles Sumner

....Representative Preston Brooks was Butler's South Carolina kinsman. If he had believed Sumner to be a gentleman, he might have challenged him to a duel. Instead, he chose a light cane of the type used to discipline unruly dogs. Shortly after the Senate had adjourned for the day, Brooks entered the old chamber, where he found Sumner busily attaching his postal frank to copies of his "Crime Against Kansas" [anti-slavery] speech.

Moving quickly, Brooks slammed his metal-topped cane onto the unsuspecting Sumner's head. As Brooks struck again and again, Sumner rose and lurched blindly about the chamber, futilely attempting to protect himself. After a very long minute, it ended.

Bleeding profusely, Sumner was carried away. Brooks walked calmly out of the chamber without being detained by the stunned onlookers. Overnight, both men became heroes in their respective regions.

Surviving a House censure resolution, Brooks resigned, was immediately reelected, and soon thereafter died at age 37. Sumner recovered slowly and returned to the Senate, where he remained for another 18 years. The nation, suffering from the breakdown of reasoned discourse that this event symbolized, tumbled onward toward the catastrophe of civil war....

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25 Apr 10 - 01:51 PM (#2894058)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Sawzaw: "Surviving a House censure resolution, Brooks resigned, was immediately reelected, and soon thereafter died at age 37. Sumner recovered slowly and returned to the Senate, where he remained for another 18 years. The nation, suffering from the breakdown of reasoned discourse that this event symbolized, tumbled onward toward the catastrophe of civil war...."

Not unlike the mood of the country, today...fanned by an administration who is governing AGAINST the will of the people. I thought Democrats would be in favor of the Democratic process. This is not what they are about.

By the way, I am adamantly NOT in favor of things reaching a boiling point, to where we have civil unrest...but observing the political wrangling and polarization, divisiveness of Government vs. the people, I can only come to the conclusion, that this must cool down, or we as a nation are headed for a collision.

.....Now, if you needed a topic for something to say in a song...there's one for ya'!!

GfS

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25 Apr 10 - 01:58 PM (#2894062)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

I see no evidence the administration is governing against the will of the people. Most of the issues Obama and Co. have addressed were either catastrophic leftovers from Bush, or pretty much what he campaigned on, allowing for the slippage of trying to make things happen in reality.

Obama is plugging ahead doing a decent job, generally speaking. People love to get in uproars about one thing or another, but a lot of that is sound and fury, signifying nothing.
I think financial reform, health reform and immigration reform will make the world a better place. Not as much better as I would like, but better.


A

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25 Apr 10 - 02:12 PM (#2894074)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

""Jeez, I hope not. I'd rather people share ideas, and come to a logical, truthful conclusion...and those who are interested in the truth, would then come to unity......I mean, if you want something to REALLY sing about!""

A logical, truthful conclusion?

As long as it is the same conclusion as yours!.........Elsewise we are all morons?

Go put your foil hat back on. Your brain cell is overheating.

Don T.

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25 Apr 10 - 06:21 PM (#2894229)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

How is the legislature passing legislation and the president signing it anti-democratic? Are you saying our Constitution's set-up for how to govern the country is undemocratic?

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25 Apr 10 - 08:23 PM (#2894286)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

The "democratic process" that everyone keeps talkin' about is deeply flawed... Between the cost of getting elected and the fillibuster it is on life support, at best...

B~

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25 Apr 10 - 10:33 PM (#2894338)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Not quite the point I"m trying to make, Bobert. Far From Sanity said, I thought Democrats would be in favor of the Democratic process. My point is they ARE using the democratic process. The truth is FFS just doesn't like what they're doing so he makes up shit about how they're doing it being undemocratic. It's as transparent as a Magritte windowpane.

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26 Apr 10 - 12:11 AM (#2894368)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Mouser: " ...My point is they ARE using the democratic process.."

Is that the same as bribing Congressmen for votes, that was NOT reflective of their constituents?? Sweetheart deals for some states, and not all?...Worthless executive orders??

Now, both Amos, and Mouser, that SHOULD BE INDICATIVE of what is wrong, with your assertions. Also Pugh polls show 78% of all Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction....ever wonder why??.Does that number represent how the will of the people are being ignored???

Come on, the way the 'Health Care Deform' was rammed through should be obvious to you, to at least admit that this was NOT the will of the people....and polls show that the Democrats are going to be shut down in both the House and Senate, in November....FOR THAT REASON!!

Now, just because I posted that, does not mean I'm anti either side or pro either side. I would certainly prefer that the people are represented by the people who they voted for, and if a bill comes to them, that the MERITS of the bill should get the support, and not bribes, intimidation, sweetheart deals, etc etc.....and YES both sides do it, and one wrong does NOT excuse the other!!

Fair enough???

GfS

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26 Apr 10 - 12:33 AM (#2894374)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

Legislation is not based on opinion polls. We are not a direct democracy but a representative democracy. We hire representatives, who then make the laws. If they are legislating against the wishes of their constituents, the constituents' redress is to vote them out of office at the next election. That's how our representative democracy works. But there is nothing in the constitution that requires the representatives to poll their constituents and determine what they want. Why even mention that if your point is that they're not acting democratically? It is a total red herring.

Sweetheart deals for states? This is new? This is newsworthy? This is something only the Democrats do? I agree it's not a good thing. But it's not a stick you can beat the Democrats with.

"Bribing" -- you mean compromise and bartering. Yes that's new too. Ho boy.

"Worthless" executive orders? You mean ones you disagree with, or ones that don't do anything? If the latter, who cares? What harm is done?

We'll see what November brings. Whatever it brings, determining the cause of it won't be as simplistic as you seem to think. Although no doubt we'll have exit polls spun mercilessly by both sides.

Now, just because I posted that, does not mean I'm anti either side or pro either side.

No, of course not. Who would think such a thing?

PS the Democrats have been shut down in the Senate virtually all year by do-nothing Republicans who are bent on nothing but jamming the machinery of Obama's presidency. Your choice of words is humorous.

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26 Apr 10 - 01:06 AM (#2894384)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Mouser, Respectfully, I can see you are not familiar with the news, in regarding this vote and what I'm talking about. I'm sure someone would fill you in...but I'm going back to the studio, right now. You'd be shocked!

GfS

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26 Apr 10 - 08:22 AM (#2894511)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Too much legislation is written word for word by lobbiests...

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26 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM (#2894655)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T

"Now, both Amos, and Mouser, that SHOULD BE INDICATIVE of what is wrong, with your assertions. Also Pugh polls show 78% of all Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction....ever wonder why??.Does that number represent how the will of the people are being ignored???""

They may be right, given that GeeGosh pointed it in that direction and then jammed the steering, but not to worry, in spite of George, Obama will eventually turn it round.

Who knows one day you may all find yourselves living in a country that cares about the poor and the sick, instead of ripping them off, that looks after its weak and old, that keeps its nose out of its neighbours' business. In short a civilised USA.

In 1948 Gandhi said he thought that would be a good idea...........Still Waiting........And Hoping.

The American people, most of them anyway, are individually some of the nicest people I've ever met, and yet, en masse there's this callous self obsession which prompts them to ignore the plight of others worse off than they, and refuse to put effort or cash into helping.

I freely admit that I don't understand it, especially when doing so would save them money long term.

Don T.

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26 Apr 10 - 01:06 PM (#2894684)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

The main problem, Don, is that what we have in the country is way too much "garbage in - garbage out" in that most people rely on the media for their information and the media ain't up the task these days so it reports/repeats lies as if they were truths and so the average person really doesn't know squat about too much...

b~

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26 Apr 10 - 01:26 PM (#2894688)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos

The direction this country is headed in? Less ruthless, a bit more order, and a playing field in which honest enterprise pays off better than crooked enterprise.

There's the bottom line. The huge robber-baron fortunes of the late 19th C. were stellar examples of great enterprises, but they were also riddled with crookedness and ruthlessness. Ruthlessness in fair competition, bounded by the limits of civil decency is very different than the kind of ruthlessness which stomps on the innocent, such as demonstrated by crooked insurance companies and underhanded military-industrial outfits.

The old adage that some used as a moral guide of not doing anything you wouldn't want your mother to know about only works if your mother was not a crackhead or an alcoholic like Momma Bush, I think. But barring that, it would be a good rule for some of these money-hungry young turks who pour their hearts into bilking the trusting--the Enrons and AIGs of the world.

And a nation as diversified and polarized as this one gets does not have a common standard of morality. Christians often spout moral dictums which are hollow and live lives totally at variance with them; there is no "Good Book" mentality to inform the broad playing field of business. Failing such a core of ethical measurement, regulation is the sole guarantee that some credit card companywill not loop you in to perpetual bondage to usury, etc.

So I think reforming health care and high finance are necessary steps to make the modern American way of life a tad less life-threatening and ensure a broader field of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Just for example, wouldn't it be a good idea to make ratings outfits answerable to a standard of honesty and transparency on derivative packages being sold to investors?

A

A

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26 Apr 10 - 06:46 PM (#2894883)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yo, GfS.... Fir the record, health care reform was not "slammed thru"... It was the most debated and negotiated legislation in the last 40 years... That ***is not*** slamming thru... That is nothing but a pure Repub talking point which you say you are above... Okay maybe you didn't say it but you have implied that you are not a shill for the Republican Party...

B~

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26 Apr 10 - 07:01 PM (#2894897)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: beardedbruce

"It was the most debated and negotiated legislation in the last 40 years"


That must be why the Demoicrats locked the Republicans out of the conference room, and even the Democrats "Have to vote for the bill in order to find out what is in it." ( quote from Pelosi)


Sorry, the debate was within the higher levels of the Democratic Party, and the bill was pushed through even after the majority of people in most if nort all polls disapproved of THIS bill- NOTE I DID NOT SAY "Healthcare Reform"- it was this PARTICULAR bill wich was being pushed down our throats that was being objected to, by Republicans, Independents , and many Democrats.

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26 Apr 10 - 07:39 PM (#2894923)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yo, bruce...

Maybe you'd like to tell the good folks how much time was spent proir to a conference to iron out small details... Maybe you'd like to tell them about how Obama went to the Repubs in the first palce... Maybe you'd like to tell them how the Repubs left the House chambers and cheered people spitting on Democratic Congressmen... Maybe you'd like to tell them how many hours of debate had occured prior to that confernece...

I mean, let's get real here, man...

Only someone who just dropped in from another planet would believe that Repub talking point, which BTW, is utter crap... The Repubs had allready made it clear they weren't going to participate in the legislative process before the conference...

It's kinda like a football player saying he isn't going to play regardless and the coach asking him to suit up???

Waht purpose does it serve...

This is a bogus rebuttal on yer part... Complete and utter crap and not grounded in reality...

Come on, Bruce... You have a better mind than to just parrot Mitch McConnell's talking points...

B~

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26 Apr 10 - 09:42 PM (#2894983)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: beardedbruce

"Maybe you'd like to tell the good folks how much time was spent proir to a conference to iron out small details"

The Republicans had their changes to the bill killed in Committe, then Reid & Pelosi rewrote the bill, anyway.



"... Maybe you'd like to tell them about how Obama went to the Repubs in the first palce"

Obama said that the Republicans had to comprimise- and agree with the Democrats. If one side wants to spend 20 trillion, and the other side wants to spend nothing, is 15 trillion spent a compramise, or an abdication of fiscal responsibility?



"... Maybe you'd like to tell them how the Repubs left the House chambers and cheered people spitting on Democratic Congressmen... "

And that was AFTER they were LOCKED OUT of the Committee meeting, and told they had to accept Pelosi's version with NO chance to even READ it before the vote



"Maybe you'd like to tell them how many hours of debate had occured prior to that confernece..."

Debate between the various members of the DEMOCRATIC Party. The Republicans were ciut out of all debate, and reduced to making public comments since they could not get into the committee to make comments to Congress.


OK?

Only someone who just dropped in from another planet would believe that the Democrats were interested in a bipartisan bill. IF , as Obama said, the two sides agreed on 80% of the bill, WHY DIDN'T he put it into 5 smaller bills, and PASS 4 of them with support of BOTH parties, THEN argue the points of difference in the 5th??? As it was , the Democrats went against both public opinion and any spirit of compriomise, and, IMO, will pay heavily in the fall election.




I fear far more the reverse pendulum swing caused by the Democratic actions than the damage that will be caused by the Democratic bill.


Which is why the place in NY state, 4 hours from an open section of the Canadian border...

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26 Apr 10 - 10:23 PM (#2895001)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Okay, lets make this simple...

What was the date where the Dems went into comittee and didn't ask the Reppubs to join them???

But wait, what was the date that Obama first met with the Repubs about getting their input into the bill???

Oh wait, part 2... How many months transpired between Obama first asking the Repubs for their input and the conferance comittee???

Oh, and just for the record, when did the comittee meet (date wise) after the Repubs voted solidly to fillibuster any debate on the bill???

Seems like the time lines don't jive here with the Repubs trying to look as if they are in the game... Not too sure where they are gettin' their advice these days but, yeah, they will gain in November but they are really blowing a chance to gain big in Novemeber...

Hey, I don't care... Just some stupid politics being played right now by the Repubs... I mean, real stupid... I mean, they are trying to get the swing (moderate) voters with (extreme) legislative behavior??? Just can't figure it out???

B~

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26 Apr 10 - 10:39 PM (#2895007)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief

True that, Bobert.

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27 Apr 10 - 01:20 AM (#2895061)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guerst from Sanity

Yo Bobert, It was bribed through...ie Nebraska special deal, Stupack, bogus executive order, Louisiana 'Purchase'....for starters.....and then there isThis bit of 'transparency' RIGHT BEFORE THE VOTE!

It stunned the country!...that most who voted for it DID NOT EVEN READ IT!!!!!

GfS

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27 Apr 10 - 01:49 AM (#2895068)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: akenaton

Aye....Its a good job Sarah didn't say that eh?

They would have burnt her at the stake!

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27 Apr 10 - 07:34 AM (#2895180)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Same answer as above, GfS.... The only thing that has stunned the country is an AWOL (and proud of it) Republican Party... Hey, they have every chance to be part of the process but they refuse... They remind me of two-year-olds having temper tantrums... This is all about just how hurt their feelings are over losing power... It has nothing to do with policy... I mean, the health care reform bill had more of a Republican fingerprint on it than a Democratic yet the Repubs sat in the corner bawling their poor little eyes out???

Yeah, this is the stunning part... Not Dems going ahead with what they have to do... If that means having to get together to work out details, so be it... Why would they be expected to have people in the room who have publicly (and thru their votes) say, "No, thanks, we're mad and we're not going to play"???

And guess what??? At the end of the day Ben Nelson didn't get his way and the Stupack got some language which wasn't, in substance, any different than existing language about federal money not going to pay for abortions... But the Repubs now want to howl over that, too...

Sorry, GfS, but you keep throwing up McConnell talking points which, BTW, goes a long way toward expalining why you were so anti-Obama prior to the election... Duhhhhhh, you seem to be a closet Republican... No offense but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck...

B~

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27 Apr 10 - 11:00 PM (#2895653)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

First of all I'm NOT a Republican...and I think that should be obvious, by now. I have criticized BOTH political parties for their CORRUPTION!..My past posts should be quite evident.

Now Pelosi said what Pelosi said. McConnell didn't make her say it, I didn't make it up..so you can try to minimize the link by saying it was a McConnell talking point. I don't really care about McConnell anyway. I care about our country, and how the propaganda hides the real agendas, of them both. Meanwhile, our freedoms are being eroded, we're plummeted into debt,..and we, the people have hardly any say, on what is being imposed on us...but we ARE being told WHAT to think, and in that, they, the two parties have us bickering between ourselves while bullshit is being passed, and the government neglects its obligations, to keep us free and safe, within our borders, while the fat cats, at the top, get fatter!

BOTH sides are more concerned about power and control ABOVE the well-being of people our country...and use 'compromise' to move us toward a complete disaster...with the fattest of the fat-cats at the top!...and they don't give a rat's ass about anything but their own WILLS...over the rights, of the people.

Gosh, I hope that's at least reasonably clear to ya'!

GfS

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28 Apr 10 - 07:46 AM (#2895844)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Clear as mud, GfS... Maybe you ougtta check out what alot of Dems are talkin' like... There's plenty of good work being done by some rather dedicated Democrats in both chambers... Whenever I see quotes from Nancy Pelosi being put out there as if she is the only Dem in the world and represents every Dem in the universe I automatically think "right wing blog"...

Plus, I really don't see where the Dems are the ones who are tacitly endorsing "by any means nesessary"... I think it's fair to say that the crybaby Repubs have stooped lockstep to this position... I mean, leaving the House Chamber to egg on spitters, haters, conspircy theorists and the like is a form of terrorism... As the folk who were called "nigger" or spit on... That kinda stuff used to happen in America during some much different times...

This entire idea that "Well-Ralph-both-sides-need-to-calm-down" is nothing but Republican PR to justisfy their collective bad behavior...

B~

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28 Apr 10 - 11:07 AM (#2895975)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Bobert: "This entire idea that "Well-Ralph-both-sides-need-to-calm-down" is nothing but Republican PR to justify their collective bad behavior..."

For what its worth, as far back as Ford/Carter presidential election, I had decided to to be affiliated with either party, for the same reason I hold today.......They're NOT working on behalf of the common citizenry!..and of course, I was right then, and right now!

I think this is CLEARLY obvious to those who are tired of rationalizing very destructive politics from both groups of greedy traitors.

By the way, the numbers of people to hold that same opinion is growing exponentially. Once again, Sanity is ahead of the curve! (grinning)

Play music, compose music..and bring the heart back to this people!

GfS

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28 Apr 10 - 11:27 AM (#2895997)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Well, to a point I have to agree with you, GfSer... The last Dem prior to Obama I voted for president was Jimmy Carter... I've cast 3 votes for Ralph Nadar, however, and have had my Dem friends put the blast on me for that so I understand ther arguments...

I'm still a Greenie but given the full assault by the right that is going on I am having to at the very least give some attention to some of what *some* of the Fems are saying and there are some decent people with decent thinkerators out there... I am very imnpressed with Sherrod from Ohio and the guy (can't remember his name) who took Biden's seat in the Senate... These are a couple of very reasonable, well intentioned people who sound a little on the Nadadish side...

Play music??? Ahhhhh, yes, this is festival season (no smoke filled beer joints) and I've got Spingfest (Luray, Va.) on the 8th, a large private party (220-300 people) to do back in Harpers Ferry, Wes Ginny on the 15th and opening for The Bush League (no, not George) June 25th... And calls comin' in so....

... yes to gettin' "The Sidewalk Bob Show" cranked the heck up!!!

B~

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28 Apr 10 - 11:58 PM (#2896414)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael

Back to what started this thread. The actions of Heath Shuler, the white congressman who said he heard black congressmen called names, then backed away from his lie as if it was no big thing. From the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0428/Why-tea-party-defenders-won-t-let-N-word-claims-rest

Unwilling to let charges of racism stand, "tea party" groups continue to challenge claims by members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) that protesters hurled the N-word at them 15 times at a "Code Red" protest in the run-up to the health-care reform vote on March 20.

Good for them. Don't let Shuler get away with slander and incitement to riot.

Without hard evidence for either side, the conventional wisdom might be for tea partyers to let the incident slide and to blame the movement's more radical elements. Instead, a group called the Tea Party Federation sent a letter to the CBC on April 26 demanding video or audio corroboration of the accusations.

The burden of proof is on the ones who made the claim, not on the Tea Party, and the accusers can't produce proof. AND they're backing away from their lies.

Already concerned about agents provocateur infiltrating rallies, tea party members say they either want help to ferret out the guilty party – or an apology from congressmen it if turns out they made up the incident to discredit the tea party movement.

Amid at least one poll showing that the public perceives the tea party movement to be at least partially racially biased...

What crap. The public "perceives" racism. The government-controlled media's trying to work the Obama mob into a frenzy. They already have most of you thinking it's okay to infiltrate groups and act as provocateurs, and next will come lynchings of Tea Party members because you "perceive" that they might have done the same to a black person if they got the chance. Bona fide crap.

May's going to be a bad month for Obama with the citizenship thing. Don't join his mobs if his provocateurs try to start diversionary race riots. His buddy Bill Ayers is already out grandstanding with the Brown Berets, and Ayers has SAID he wants race riots in America. Don't fall for it.

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29 Apr 10 - 11:02 AM (#2896695)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Bobert: "Play music??? Ahhhhh, yes, this is festival season (no smoke filled beer joints) and I've got Spingfest (Luray, Va.) on the 8th, a large private party (220-300 people) to do back in Harpers Ferry, Wes Ginny on the 15th and opening for The Bush League (no, not George) June 25th... And calls comin' in so....

... yes to gettin' "The Sidewalk Bob Show" cranked the heck up!!!

B~


God Bless you!!!!

GfS

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29 Apr 10 - 09:22 PM (#2897011)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Hey, I play the "Devil's music"... What's God got to do with it...

Awww, jus funnin' wid ya, GfS... I'm kinda like my hero, Son House, in that Saturday night I'm jukin' and carryin' on about all kinds of stuff that the blues is about but Sunday mornin' I'm on my knees askin' fir forgiveness... But I do it anyway...

BTW, I'm sure you'll like this but there are a few stories I like to tell between songs and one goes like this; "Hey, ya'll, a buddy 'o mine in Norway was asked what the blues was all about and after a few seconds of thought he said 'Well, the blues is 99% about women and other natural disaters'"... Yeah, I stick that in every set I play, unless, of course I'm booked to do more than one set at a certain gig...

B~

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30 Apr 10 - 02:53 AM (#2897118)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity

Hey, this lass,( friend), when not touring or recording still goes to the local pub, and blows with the folks!!

This one!

Who is here, too

I still pop in and certain 'open mikes.....and blow them away, as well!

GfS

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30 Apr 10 - 07:06 AM (#2897198)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

Yeah, I do the same.... There was a time in the 60's when I was absolutely terrorized to play "open mic" at the Crossroads Coffee House in Richmond, Va. but ya' gotta start somewhere... I remember those days well so when I do the occasional open mic I remember that somewhere in the joint is probably some kid feeling like I did back then and just wishes it was over so I never go more than 10 or 15 minutes and usually tell folks that exact story before I play... Kinda realxes the youngin's, too, knowing that, hey, we all been there...

I liked that Celtic music... I ain't much on it but I know when somethin' is being done well... I did, however, get into Declan Masterson some about 12-15 years ago... Kinda the Leo Kotkee of the Umbrian Pipes...lol...

B~

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30 Apr 10 - 07:40 AM (#2897216)
Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert

(Knock ir off, Boberdz... Ya' know there is no talkin' music below the line!!!)

Opps... My deepest apologies...

B;~)

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