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18 May 10 - 03:29 PM (#2909401) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: Tannywheeler See my post under "Songs in English of the Spanish Civil War". Look in the forum. Not much help for what you want, but at least, it refers to the fact that a batch of traveling Irish athletes could sing their way through "Viva La Quince Brigada" in the last yr or 2. Tw |
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19 May 10 - 03:28 AM (#2909732) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: mg from an earlier Spanish war.. Enniskillen Dragoons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPtXXQXl5oo oh what is that one...since Johnny lovely Johnny is thrashing the king of Spain.. And there is something about trains coming back from SPain full of wounded. mg |
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19 May 10 - 11:46 AM (#2909967) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,Philippa people went from Ireland to Spain to fight on both sides Yes, nowadays people like Christy Moore and Brian Moore (of Belfast) sing songs like Viva la Quincea Brigada. Joe Mulheron, proprietor of Sandinos Bar in Derry, has rewritten that Johnny Lovely Johnny to make it relate to the Spanish civil war rather than much earlier battles.I think singing these songs at Irish pubs and folk clubs is quite a recent phenomena. You can find written and filmed accounts of Irish participation in Spanish Civil War, for instance Bob Doyle's autobiography. |
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19 May 10 - 12:33 PM (#2909981) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,^&* Geoff Did you ask Manus O'Riordan? A singer himself, he's surely your best bet re the Republican tradition in Ireland. As you know, there were contemporary parodies and skits written ridiculing O'DUffy's volunteers. How widely they cirulated, I don't know. I have never heard (nor heard of) any pro-Franco songs in Ireland, as far as I recall. That said, they may have confined themselves to Marian hymns! (I'm only half-joking). |
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19 May 10 - 05:11 PM (#2910143) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,bigJ I seem to remember an RTE Radio One programme some years ago called "The Last of the Brigadistas" which - if it's in their archive might be of passing interest. |
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19 May 10 - 11:00 PM (#2910329) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: LadyJean My dad was in Ireland, as a tourist in the thirties. He told me of reading in the papers about Duffy's Brigade, who went to Spain to fight FOR Franco, discovered who they were fighting for and came home almost immediately. |
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20 May 10 - 10:29 AM (#2910563) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,OLD TIMER Came home or sent home because of over-indugence in the local brew ? |
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24 Jun 13 - 08:45 PM (#3530000) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,Liam Keyes If I had being born then, there was no way that I would have gone to fight in Spain for either Eoin Duffy or Frank Ryan. "Franco's allies were the powerful and wealthy, Frank Ryan's men came from the other side." Eoin Duffy was with the Blueshirts. :The Bishops blessed the Blue Shirts in Dun Laoghaire as they sailed beneath the Swastika to Spain. Now, let me see, which pub in Dublin would I have gone into to? |
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24 Jun 13 - 08:49 PM (#3530002) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: GUEST,Liam Keyes The more I read about it....the less I think about it. |
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25 Jun 13 - 03:35 AM (#3530069) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: MartinRyan Swastika? When? Dun Laoghaire? When? Regards |
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25 Jun 13 - 11:29 AM (#3530213) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: Les from Hull I believe that Liam is quota Christy Moore's song. Take it up with Christy! |
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25 Jun 13 - 12:59 PM (#3530240) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: McGrath of Harlow It was a particularly nasty war, as civil wars are prone to be, and some pretty nasty atrocities were carried out by both sides. The regime set up by the winning side able to carry on the brutalityl in the period after the war ended, but that goes with winning. There is no reason to believe the other side would have behaved any better, under Stalinist guidance. Estimates of those murdered by the victors, during and after the war, range as high as 200,000. Estimates of those killed by the losers range as high as 70,000, including about 6,500 priest, monks, seminarians and nuns. The Irish volunteers who went to fight on both sides were much the same kind of people, motivated by similar reasons, especially by stories, which were accurate enough, of the terrible things that the other side were doing. My father, a Spanish speaking veteran of the Irish Civil War (on the Republican side) was recruited to fight on the rebel side, Franco's side. After he came back, when World War II started, he joined up to fight in the British Army against the Nazis. Life is complicated, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. |
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25 Jun 13 - 06:19 PM (#3530344) Subject: RE: Ireland and the Spanish Civil War From: Steve Shaw Maria De La Rosa, a beautiful song based on a true story, written and performed by Ron Kavana on his album "Alien Alert." I set out for Spain with a romantic notion To trace the paths of Irish volunteers Who had left their homeland to fight and die on foreign soil In the late '30s, Franco's bloody years In a sleazy bodega in the back streets of Bilbao I met a girl with bright green eyes and long red hair Maria De La Rosa O'Mara sang in Spanish A version of She Moved Through The Fair Maria De La Rosa O'Mara Sing your song one more time Por favor Tell us the tale of your dead grandfather And his part in the Spanish Civil War Tell us the tale of crazy, noble glory Finn O'Mara in the Spanish Civil War Finn O'Mara joined the Basques up near San Sebastian In the northern campaign of '38 Kept the supply lines open on the border 'Til Barcelona fell and it was all too late Captured by the Blueshirts somewhere near Lérida He faced the fascist firing squad that very day His one last request "Bury me in Basque country But know I die for freedom, not for Spain." Maria De La Rosa O'Mara Sing your song one more time Por favor Tell us the tale of your dead grandfather And his part in the Spanish Civil War Tell us the tale of crazy, noble glory Finn O'Mara in the Spanish Civil War |