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07 Aug 10 - 03:08 PM (#2960194) Subject: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: Q (Frank Staplin) The Bodleian Library has a ballad, the text unreadable, that looks very interesting. Murder in Irish Harding B25(1282), printed by J. Jennings, bet. 1790-1840. The index gives the first line- "Without the help of a gammut-note, demisemiquaver, crotchet or minum [sic] ....." Help would be appreciated in obtaining the lyrics. |
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07 Aug 10 - 05:08 PM (#2960256) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: Steve Gardham Q PM me your email address and I'll scan the copy in the J Stevens Cox collection and send you it. It's not brilliant but it is readable. |
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16 Aug 10 - 01:21 PM (#2966461) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: Jim Dixon This seems to be the same song with a different title. From The Vocal Magazine, Volume 1, No. 1, (London: A. Redford, January 2, 1815), page 32: [I wish I knew how to do hanging indents in HTML.] THE IRISHMAN'S THEATRICAL DESCRIPTION, or AN APOLOGY FOR A SONG. Written and sung by Mr. T. Dibdin, with great applause, in his Entertainment of the Harmonists TUNE.—ANY ONE THE SINGER PLEASES. Without the help of gamut, note, demi-semi-quaver, crochet, or minum, Or any other sort of sounds that have no meaning in 'em; Without going round the bush and round the bush, playing at hide and go seek; A man, without any tune at all at all, may sing just as well as he can speak. [CHORUS:] Tiddy ti tol lol lay, tiddy ti tol lol lay, Phillelu drimandru; Subbaboo mushagrah. When singing and speaking was such a sort of undertaking, as was executed according to nature, He or she, who attempted to execute either, was something like a rational creature, And your stage-players of old, to be sure, we are told, they would strut like a turkey or bustard; But they knew no more about grinning, and grunting, and making faces at one another, than they did about making of mustard. Sing tiddy ti tol, &c. The great Turk, in a pet, I mean Bajazet, when by Tamerlane was taken in battle, Like a bear, with head sore, blood and turf! How he'd roar, while his chains did melodiously rattle; And old Shylock, the Jew, his long knife he drew, to be sticking in the poor merchant's beef! But devil a Christian soul but what said to him in their hearts, bad luck to you, you butch'ring old thief. Sing tiddy ti tol, &c. Then thick-lipp'd Othello, that sooty-fac'd fellow, that choak'd his poor wife in her bed, sir, Wou'd have made all the blood in your body run cold, and the hair almost stand an end on your head, sir; And when crooked King Dick bid his kingdom for a horse, it's true upon my life, it's no fable; The devil a one in the whole place would lend him a jack-ass, though they'd half a score in the stable. Sing tiddy ti tol, &c. Then Macbeth stuck the poor King in his sleep with a pair of damn'd French-looking daggers, Struck the folk with his guilt, and the blood that he spilt, like a horse, when he's struck with the staggers: And Macbeth sung, when he was going to be hung, a man can die bolder by brandy; And the ladies in the boxes, from the duchess to the doxies, would be saying, to be sure, he's quite the tippy, and the dandy. Sing tiddy ti tol, &c. Now, to make an end of my song: to be sure, it's rather long, but then, as to words and the tune; You're not only welcome as the flowers in May, but welcome as the roses in June. Now, don't take it in your noddle, to say it is the twaddle, nor let any of it put you in a passion; Because, upon my conscience, a little bit of nonsense, now a-days, it is the very tippy, and pink of the fashion. Sing tiddy ti tol, &c. |
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16 Aug 10 - 01:43 PM (#2966486) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* It's a bit like Cherry-Garrard's description of Tom Crean's singing! |
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16 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM (#2966515) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: Q (Frank Staplin) Steve furnished me with a readable copy of Murder in Irish; I considered it not worthy of inclusion in Mudcat. The version posted by Jim Dixon is the same. |
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16 Aug 10 - 02:36 PM (#2966533) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* THIS is what I was thinking of. Needless to say - Crean was singing in Irish! |
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16 Aug 10 - 02:40 PM (#2966535) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: McGrath of Harlow The reminiscences of Thomas Dibdin of the Theatres Royal, Covent Garden, Drury Lane, Haymarket etc 1837 |
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16 Aug 10 - 03:03 PM (#2966551) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,mg I clicked the clicky about Crean...is there a place he is singing? I didn/'t see it. mg |
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16 Aug 10 - 03:07 PM (#2966554) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* GUESTmg No, there isn't - but it's always been my belief that this is the only explanation for his English fellow sailors' inability to make out EITHER the tune or the words he sang! He was brought up through Irish. |
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16 Aug 10 - 03:24 PM (#2966570) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,mg I know...it turns out there is a chance he might be a relative of my great grandmother...not sure. Anyway, have you heard the 1918 recording of his sailing comrades singing a song for him? It is on youtube and we have mentioned it here. mg |
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16 Aug 10 - 03:31 PM (#2966576) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* Yes - I listened to it and am curious about the origin and details. Best wishes. |
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17 Aug 10 - 12:05 PM (#2967171) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: McGrath of Harlow Here's that YouTube clip Does anyone have the ears to transcribe it? |
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17 Aug 10 - 02:08 PM (#2967255) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,%^& There's a transcription HERE on a site associated with his home town of Annascaul. I'd still love some details of how and when this recording appeared. |
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17 Aug 10 - 02:11 PM (#2967256) Subject: Lyr Add: BALLAD OF TOM CREAN From: GUEST,^&* As on the site listed above: Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean, He's the bravest man that the world's ever seen. Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean, He's the Irish giant from county Kerry. Walked thirty-five miles in the Arctic alone To save Teddy Evans from making his bones. He went down to the south with Shackleton and Scott, Won three polar medals and a coward he's not. Faced death many times, but he never backed down. Came home to Anascaul, his little home town. Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean, He's the bravest man that the world's ever seen. Hail, hail, Tom Crean, hail, hail, Tom Crean, He's the Irish giant from county Kerry. (less) |
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17 Aug 10 - 02:13 PM (#2967258) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* To the best of my recollection, there is no mention of such a recording in Michael Smith's biography of Crean. |
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17 Aug 10 - 05:35 PM (#2967416) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,%^& I've started a new thread to try to pin down the Tom Crean recording HERE. |
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18 Aug 10 - 01:54 PM (#2967983) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: McGrath of Harlow So which should it be - "GUEST,%^&" or "GUEST,^&*" ? Or something a bit easier to spell? |
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21 Aug 10 - 10:18 AM (#2969991) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help with 'Murder in Irish' From: GUEST,^&* So which should it be - "GUEST,%^&" or "GUEST,^&*" ? Or something a bit easier to spell? Looks like I need new varifocals! ;>) |