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06 Sep 99 - 09:40 AM (#111819) Subject: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Robert Field kddlc@tin.it. Anyone knows the words? Thank you. Robert Field Click for related thread |
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06 Sep 99 - 12:43 PM (#111868) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: I have no idea what Archie Fisher sings. The Dreg song is in DT. |
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07 Sep 99 - 03:44 AM (#112047) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Robert Field kddlc@tin.it. The Dreg Song in the DT is not the one I'm looking for, that begins with these words: The herrin' loves the moonlight The mackerel loves the (...) (wind?) But the oyster loves the dregging song For he comes of a gentle kind. Archie Fisher sings that in his CD "Will Ye Gang Love". I'd like to get the whole text.... Thank you. Robert Field |
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09 Sep 99 - 07:34 PM (#113004) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Susanne (skw) Robert, I've been trying to work that one out for years, and I can't. Maybe we could pool resources? Not just now, though. I'll have to listen to it again, then I'll try to post some sort of version. May take a week. |
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10 Sep 99 - 03:44 AM (#113121) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Robert Field Thank you,Susanne. And I am going to write down too the few words I can get. Robert Field |
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10 Sep 99 - 04:12 AM (#113124) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Ewan McVicar In David Herd, Ancient & Modern Scottish Songs, Vol 2, first published 1776, are 60+ lines titled The Dreg Song. It seems reasonable to suggest that – like the text given in the Digital Tradition – the lines are less a song than a series of children's rhymes strung together. They include the following: True note, true song, I've dreg'd o'er long, O'er lang, o'er late, Quo' the haddock to the scate Quo' the scate to the eel, Cock na I my tail weel? Note two different pronunciations above – long / lang. Two different songs, or what? Anyway, the final lines of Herd's Dreg Song are this: Jeery ory alie; Weel row'd five men, As weel your ten (I think Archie sings As weel as oor ten) The oysters are a gentle kin, They winna tak unless you sing. Come buy my oysters aff the bing, To serve the sheriff and the king, And the commons o' the land, And the commons' o' the sea. Hey benedicete, and that's good Latin. Where Archie got the tune from I do not know. Ewan McVicar |
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12 Sep 99 - 04:26 AM (#113567) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Ewan McVicar The text I gave is of course on the DT - but down near the bottom of a file! |
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12 Sep 00 - 12:30 AM (#295457) Subject: RE: Lyric Request: The Dredgin' Song From: Brendy On this page, the song is called 'Dreg Song', which is in the DT, here, filed under Haddock to the Skate. I'm not familiar with the song, but the words in the DT seem different to the ones you had in mind, though. B. |
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12 Sep 00 - 12:33 AM (#295458) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Brendy Oh brilliant. ! Duplicate threads! B. |
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12 Sep 00 - 02:40 AM (#295513) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Joe Offer Duplicate threads, Brendy? Oh, here (click) it is. Did anybody post the herring/mackerel/oyster version anywhere? -Joe Offer- |
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12 Sep 00 - 10:56 AM (#295649) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Alice I brought both of these threads to the top for someone who asked me to find the lyrics as sung by Archie Fisher. This friend isn't a Mudcat member, not used to searching, although he tried, so I found them and brought them to the top of the list so he could find them at home when he got online on his computer. Thanks for linking them, Joe. I didn't have time last night - kept crashing.
Question still - is either version in the DT the EXACT one Archie Fisher recorded? Alice |
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12 Sep 00 - 07:01 PM (#296035) Subject: RE: Lyric Request: The Dredgin' Song From: Susanne (skw) Very different! Archie starts off with the lines Russell quotes above, but after that I, too can only make out bits and pieces. Can't get ANY sense into them. Sorry! Maybe one of our Scottish members could help? |
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31 Jul 03 - 12:23 PM (#994262) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg song as sung by A.Fisher From: Roberto Two times in Mudcat threads some of us, including me, have tried to get the lyrics of the Dreg Song as sung by Archie Fisher (on Will ye Gang, Love). I can't believe we can't get them, so I try again. Here is what I can get, from written sources and from what I can hear, out of Archie Fisher's singing. PLEASE, PLEASE, HELP CORRECT AND COMPLETE THIS TEXT. Thank you. Roberto The herring loves the moonlight The mackerel loves the wind But the oyster loves the dredging song For it comes of gentle kind Jeery ory alie (??) Weel row'd five men As weel as your (oor?) ten The oysters are a gentle kin They winna tak unless you sing Come buy my oysters aff the bing To serve the sheriff and the king And the commons o' the land And the commons' o' the sea Hey hou Harry-O Mony a boat skail'd the ferry Mony a (?) bonny fishing boat Tell me a true note (of true love???) True note true song I've dreg'd ower lang Ower lang ower late Quo' the haddock tae the skate Quo' the skate tae the eel Cock na I ma tail weel (??) Quo' the eel (…)?? (…)??? Jeery ory alie (?) Weel row'd five men As weel as your ten The oysters are a gentle kin They winna tak unless you sing Come buy my oysters aff the bing To serve the sheriff and the king And the commons o' the land And the commons' o' the sea |
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11 Aug 03 - 11:53 PM (#1000636) Subject: Lyr Add: DREG SONG #1 (from Cilla Fisher) From: Jim Dixon Not the version requested, I know, but possibly helpful: Lyrics and notes copied from http://mysongbook.de/msb/songs/d/dregson1.html DREG SONG #1 (Trad - as sung by Cilla Fisher) Fleemin's inkworks tae the gasworks Dodge her weel and fill her creel Jockie Lairdie's got a wee bairdie What they ca' the skipper o' the Row Maggie Miller has plenty siller She fell back and I fell till her Wattie Cochie lives in the row Betty Buckie carries the creel Mony a ship mony a boat Tell me a true note True note true song I've dreg'd ower lang Ower lang ower late Quo' the haddock tae the skate Quo' the skate tae the eel Cock na I ma tail weel [1965:] One of the songs in Herd's collection is the Dreg Song: nonsense verses forming a lengthy version of the half-traditional, half-improvised rowing song of the oyster-fishers of the Firth of Forth. When they were out at sea, the fishers took compass bearings on landmarks along the coast: Fleemin's inkworks tae the gasworks Dodge your wheel and fill your creel-a Katie Bairdie's got a wee lairdie That they ca' the skipper o' the Row-a ... The 'New Statistical Account' (1845) tells us that 'long before dawn, in the bleakest season of the year, their dredging song may be heard afar off'. In the grey-shrouded mornings, a mile or two from the coast, the fishers could make out in the distance the huddled contour of Arthur's Seat, with the Newhaven lighthouse blinking nearby. There's an auld carle sits by the sea Wi' a white caun'le on his knee ... The oyster-fishing is over now, but the Dreg Song lives on; in Newhaven, Leith, Portobello, Fisherrow and Musselburgh, detached fragments of it are still spinning like tops among the bairns, in the singing street. (Henderson, Alias MacAlias 6) |
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07 Dec 11 - 01:28 PM (#3269923) Subject: Lyr Add: THE DREG SONG (from David Herd) From: Jim Dixon From Ancient and Modern Scottish Songs, Heroic Ballads, Etc., Vol. 2 collected and edited by David Herd – "reprint of the edition of 1776" (Edinburgh: William Paterson, 1870), page 163: THE DREG SONG. I rade to London yesterday On a crucket hay-cock, Hay-cock, quo' the seale to the eel, Cock nae I my tail weel? Tail-weel, or if hare, Hunt the dog frae the deer, Hunt the dog frae the deil-drum; Kend ye na Johny Young? John Young and John Auld Strove about the moniefald; Jemmy Jimp and Jenny Jeus Bought a pair of jimp deus, Wi' nineteen stand of feet; Kend ye nae white breek? White breek and steel pike, Kiss't the lass behind the dyke, Kiss't the lass behind the dyke, And she whalpet a bairnie; Hey hou Harry, Harry, Mony a boat skail'd the ferry, Mony a boat, mony a ship; Tell me a true note; True note, true song, I've dreg'd o'er long, O'er lang, o'er late, Quo' the haddock to the scate, Quo' the scate to the eel, Cock na I my tail weel? Tail weel, and gins better, It's written in a letter: Andrew Murray said to Meg, How many hens hae you wi' egg? Steak the door and thraw the crook, Grape you and I'se look; Put in your finger in her dock, And see gin she lays thereout, She lays thereout days ane, Sae dis he days twa, Say dis he days three, Sae dis he days four, Quo' the carle o' Aberdour; Aberdour, Aberdeen, Grey claith to the green, Grey claith to the sands, Trip it, trip it through the lands; Thro' lands, or if hare, Hunt the dog frae the deer, Hunt the deer frae the dog, Waken, waken, Willie Tod, Willie Tod, Willie Tay, Cleckit in the month of May, Month of May and Averile, Good skill o' raisins, Jentlens and fentlens, Jeery ory alie; Weel row'd five men, As weel your ten, The oysters are a gentle kin, They winna tak unless you sing. Come buy my oysters aff the bing, To serve the sheriff and the king, And the commons o' the land, And the commons o' the sea; Hey benedicete, and that's good Latin. |
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07 Dec 11 - 01:49 PM (#3269928) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: Jim Dixon A later book called "Songs from David Herd's Manuscripts" gives these translations: Rade = rode Cruket = crooked Cock = turn up Deil-drum* = melancholy Moniefald = bowels Jimp-deus = light dancing shoes White breek = foot soldier Steel-pike = lancer Whalpet = gave birth Skail'd = crossed against the current Steek = shut, bar Grape = feel about Clekit = hatched Averile = April Tentlins and fentlins = hooks and eyes Bing = heap [* Is this where "doldrums" comes from?] [Furthermore, it has this commentary:] "Dreg songs" were the interminable delight of the harvest dinner-hour—especially among the Irishmen, who took a share in harvest operations before machinery took away the social jollity from the workers. I have heard an old man recite one of these long-blown medleys for three-quarters of an hour without a break. The more mixed the metaphor the more delight it gave. Any sing-song tune serves for the recital, if the cadences can be worked in. The "Dredging Song" of the fishermen is of a similar class, but it is called by a different name. I have heard two men in different fishing villages give practically the same song word for word. It is more of the nature of a sailor's "chantie."—(Hay.) Of the present "strange jumble of nonsense" the only lines of any interest are lines 57 and 58, because they are in some way or other connected with Elspeth Mucklebackit's rhyme:— "The herring loves the merry moonlight, The mackerel loves the wind; But the oyster loves the dredging-sang, For they come of a gentle kind." —The Antiquary (Border Ed. p. 519). Another Dreg Song parodied by Burns in his Ken ye ought o' Captain Grose? with a little more sense in it is in Songs 2 II, 99. It begins: "Keep ye weel frae Sir John Malcolm: Igo and ago, If he's a wise man, I mistak him: Iram coram dago, Keep ye weel frae Sandie Don: Igo and ago, He's ten times dafter than Sir John: Iram coram dago" &c. |
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07 Dec 11 - 02:29 PM (#3269944) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: Jack Campin I covered this stuff here: http://www.campin.me.uk/Embro/Webrelease/Embro/07work/07work.htm |
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09 Sep 12 - 08:18 PM (#3402236) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Dredgin' Song (Archie Fisher) From: GUEST,999 Elspeth's Ballad By Walter Scott (Sir) The herring loves the merry moon-light, The mackerel loves the wind, But the oyster loves the dredging sang, For they come of a gentle kind. Now haud your tongue, baith wife and carle, And listen great and sma', And I will sing of Glenallan's Earl That fought on the red Harlaw. The cronach's cried on Bennachie, And doun the Don and a', And hieland and lawland may mournfu' be For the sair field of Harlaw. They saddled a hundred milk-white steeds, They hae bridled a hundred black, With a chafron of steel on each horse's head, And a good knight upon his back. They hadna ridden a mile, a mile, A mile, but barely ten, When Donald came branking down the brae Wi' twenty thousand men. Their tartans they were waving wide, Their glaives were glancing clear, The pibrochs rung frae side to side, Would deafen ye to hear. The great Earl in his stirrups stood, That Highland host to see: "Now here a knight that's stout and good May prove a jeopardie: "What would'st thou do, my squire so gay, That rides beside my reyne, Were ye Glenallan's Earl the day, And I were Ronald Cheyne? "To turn the rein were sin and shame, To fight were wond'rous peril, What would ye do now, Roland Cheyne, Were ye Glenallan's Earl?" "Were I Glenallan's Earl this tide, And ye were Roland Cheyne, The spear should be in my horse's side, And the bridle upon his mane. "If they hae twenty thousand blades, And we twice ten times ten, Yet they hae but their tartan plaids, And we are mail-clad men. "My horse shall ride through ranks sae rude, As through the moorland fern, Then ne'er let the gentle Norman blude Grow cauld for Highland kerne." He turn'd him right and round again, Said, Scorn na at my mither; Light loves I may get mony a ane, But minni ne'er anither. From http://www.public-domain-poetry.com/walter-scott/elspeths-ballad-7062 |
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22 Sep 12 - 07:26 AM (#3408619) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: Joe Offer Seems to me we have a long way to go on this one. For the first verse, Archie uses the first verse of Walter Scott's "Elspeth's Ballad." Then he launches into something like "Dreg Song," but I can't make out much from the recording. It's on Spotify - anybody want to make a stab at transcribing this? -Joe- |
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22 Sep 12 - 07:45 AM (#3408627) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: maeve I'll work on it and will double check my transcription with Archie, Joe...It won't be today, but maybe by tomorrow I can begin. Maeve |
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23 Sep 12 - 02:41 PM (#3409116) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: maeve I've made a transcription drawing my close listening and various posts in this thread- thank you all for your research and efforts. When I receive a reply form Archie Fisher confirming/correcting that transcription I'll post the corrected version here. Maeve |
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23 Sep 12 - 10:13 PM (#3409242) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: Joe Offer My breath is bated, Maeve. It will be good to get this one settled. I have a feeling I may have this one on a CD booklet somewhere, but I've ripped all my CDs and put them in deep, dark storage. Note to all of you who record CDs in this modern age: please post your notes and lyrics online. They don't come with the MP3 recordings. -Joe- |
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24 Sep 12 - 06:30 AM (#3409343) Subject: LYR ADD: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: maeve Here 'tis. Thanks to Archie Fisher for his quick and helpful reply: Dreg Song as sung by Archie Fisher DREG SONG The herring loves the moonlight The mackerel loves the wind But the oyster loves the dredging-sang For they come from a gentler kin Jeery ory alley Weel row'd five men As weel as your ten The oysters are a gentle thing They would nae tak unless you sing Come buy my oysters aff the bing To serve the sheriff and the king And the commons o' the land And the commons' o' the sea Hey how Harry-O Many a boat skail'd the ferry Many a bonny fishing boat Tell me a true note True note true sang I've dreg'ed ower lang Ower lang ower late Quo' the haddock tae the skate Quo' the skate tae the eel Cock nae I my tail weel Pull weel tae the shore Hey Harry rest your oar Jeery ory alie Weel row'd five men As weel as your ten The oysters are a gentle thing They would nae tak unless you sing Come buy my oysters aff the bing To serve the sheriff and the king And the commons o' the land And the commons' o' the sea |
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25 Sep 12 - 05:08 AM (#3409798) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: Joe Offer Bingo! Thank you very much, Maeve. The song moved very fast on the recording. I got bits of it, but kept getting lost. Your transcription helps a lot. -Joe- |
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05 Oct 12 - 12:50 AM (#3414625) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Dreg Song (from Archie Fisher) From: maeve I just tied all the pieces together and verified our various listening and research results. Glad to help, Joe. |