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24 Jun 11 - 03:02 PM (#3175882) Subject: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Jennifer A. Burdoo Hi, old member (from a long time back). I'm a children's librarian currently working on an "international" program for kids, and I'm looking for a video that is a) kid-friendly and b) teaches elements of the accent. I can describe it well enough myself ("Start with Irish and add a twang") or I can point kids to Crocodile Hunter for an exaggerated version, but I'm looking for something more strictly educational that's not actually targeted at adults, but is still professional. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jennifer Burdoo |
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24 Jun 11 - 03:57 PM (#3175893) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: McGrath of Harlow Hold yer mouth shut to keep out the flies, and that's half way there... |
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24 Jun 11 - 04:58 PM (#3175932) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Lighter "Start with Irish and add a twang"? If I'd never heard one, I don't think that would help me! Surely you have to "start with Cockney"? But even that's not very helpful. One common trait is that Aussies "flatten out" some of their a's in ways that most others do not. In America, most people can't tell the difference between an Australian and an English accent. (Never mind New Zealand.) Where the Geico gecko is from is even raised in a TV commercial, only to be left unresolved. You really can't describe accents accurately without extensive training in phonology. And then only other phonologists will know what you're talking about, so why bother? Best bet: have them listen to recordings of actual Australians, of whom Steve Irwin was one. |
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24 Jun 11 - 05:29 PM (#3175943) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Ross Like This |
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24 Jun 11 - 05:46 PM (#3175950) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent From: GUEST,Tony What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison? A buffalo is a large animal with a shaggy head. A bison is a plice where an Austrine washes ees fice. |
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24 Jun 11 - 06:55 PM (#3175972) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Tangledwood This dictionary might help. |
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24 Jun 11 - 09:09 PM (#3176014) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Bernard How to distinguish between a Kiwi and an Aussie - write 'dead rat' on a piece of paper... the one who says 'did rit' is the Kiwi! |
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24 Jun 11 - 09:57 PM (#3176029) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Joe Offer Say "cobber" a lot. The Australians and Kiwis will think you're strange, but everyone else will think you came straight from the billabong....and when you've mastered that, expand your horizons by studying Let's Talk Dirty in Hawaillan. -Joe- |
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24 Jun 11 - 10:13 PM (#3176036) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: PHJim ...and then you could take a crack at a Newfoundland accent, starting with,"Whale oil beef hooked." |
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24 Jun 11 - 10:30 PM (#3176044) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Effsee I seem to remember reading somewhere that the "Strine" was a result of immigrants having to screw their faces up against the strong sunlight that they were unused to. |
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24 Jun 11 - 11:03 PM (#3176051) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Ana Why would you want too!! (Joke - I'm a kiwi :) ) Most famous examples - 'fish and chips' - Oz = Feesh and cheeps; Kiwi: Fush and chups or 'dance' - Oz = Dance (as in pants); Kiwi = Dunce (though long vowel) But oz speak is more than an accent! - phrases to practice - nasal 'yeah, gidday airgun?' (yes, good day, how are you going?) or 'kinoath! (exclamation of surprise or agreement - no translation provided) Blokes names; Murray - Muzza. Barry - Bazza Or in shops, assistants all call you dahl (as in darling) which leads to the joke; "my girlfriend is a vegetarian, I call her dahl" No offence intended - OZ and Kiwis have a fun sibling-like relationship :) |
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25 Jun 11 - 03:13 AM (#3176094) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Sandra in Sydney Strine is said to be how an Australian will pronunce 'Australian' Ana - there is at least one Kiwi over here who soon learnt to ask for half a dozen eggs sandra |
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25 Jun 11 - 04:06 AM (#3176106) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Ana Australia = Ostruckinfailya? |
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25 Jun 11 - 04:12 AM (#3176107) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Ana ...and I guess there's a big difference between 'sex eggs' and 'sucks eggs'. Not quite sure what the first would look like! |
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25 Jun 11 - 05:05 AM (#3176123) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Grishka Australian lady: "This is moy nephew Himish." Me (arrived from England): "Pleased to meet you, Himish." Lady: "It's Himish, not Hoymish!" |
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25 Jun 11 - 05:12 AM (#3176126) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: McGrath of Harlow Australians and New Zealanders both sound much the same to us here, the same way that Americans and Canadians do. Do people in such places have the same difficulty in telling the difference between English, Scots and Irish accents? |
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25 Jun 11 - 06:13 AM (#3176143) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Doug Chadwick A feature, which I have always associated with antipodeans, is the interrogative statement where the inflection of the last word in each phrase rises, as if asking a question. This is increasingly heard amongst today's youth in the UK. I suspect that it arrived with the Australian TV soaps. DC |
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25 Jun 11 - 10:33 AM (#3176218) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: PHJim From: McGrath of Harlow - PM Date: 25 Jun 11 - 05:12 AM Australians and New Zealanders both sound much the same to us here, the same way that Americans and Canadians do. Do people in such places have the same difficulty in telling the difference between English, Scots and Irish accents? ******************************************************************** Living in southern Ontario, I can't tell the difference between the accents of someone from Niagara Falls NY, Buffalo NY, Niagara Falls ON, or Hamilton, ON. Many Canadians share the same accent with the folks from the northern states. There are regions with different regional accents; Boston, Ottawa Valley, Newfoundland, Long Island... |
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25 Jun 11 - 11:15 AM (#3176238) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Lighter I've alsways assumed that, like me, most Americans can tell the difference between broadly English, Scottish, and Irish accents. Undoubtedly movies and other media helped my education, along with having grown up in a big city where there were many Irish and not a few Scottish and English immigrants. A hundred years ago, I'll bet few Americans outside of such cities could have distinguished such accents, unless they'd paid close attention to the clumsy representations in novels and newspapers. The Irish in those sources always said "Oi" for "I" and stuff like "t'ing" and "murther," and words like "river" often had extra r's attched ("river-r-r") to indicate Scottishness. Cornish and other English accents that retain more r's than, say, in London, probably sound "Irish" to most Americans. My guess is that Americans can distinguish between the stereotypical cockney and Beeb accents, again because of the media. But how can anyone know? (My experience has been largely among academics who are keen on this sort of thing.) Probably fewer Americans can recognize a Canadian than an Australian accent, partly because Canadian accents - outside of the Maritimes - aren't all that distinctive. Most Canadians sound pretty much like American Northerners. Many Americans, especially from the West, believe they have "no accent," and many others believe them. But everybody has an accent, though some are less obvious than others. Even my Tennessee friend was once told by a woman in London that he had a "very American accent," but she couldn't identify it more precisely than that. Here in the U.S., it stands out. |
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25 Jun 11 - 11:29 AM (#3176244) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Sandra in Sydney English, Scottish & Irish accents re very different to this eara |
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25 Jun 11 - 06:01 PM (#3176431) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Gurney On Jennifer's original post: Buy a couple of John Williamson's CDs. Although his accent is not exaggerated, you'll probably like his music. |
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25 Jun 11 - 06:16 PM (#3176435) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: WalkaboutsVerse Mouth should not open wide enough for a blowie to fly in. ;-)> |
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25 Jun 11 - 06:27 PM (#3176440) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Helen Hi Jennifer, I have never heard of any resources for learning to speak in an Australian accent. ABC Classic FM radio is an example of educated Australian accents. ABC radio - Classic FM - digital radio available The ABC alternative music station targeting youth is an example of everyday Australian accents. The presenters are probably well educated, but they have an easygoing style of talking, and I like that station a lot. ABC radio - TripleJ - youth station - digital radio available Comments above about the difference between the Australian accent and the New Zealand accent are important. Oz: "fish and chips" versus kiwi: "fush und chups" is true in my observation. The "u" sound is as in "up", "unto" etc. An American friend I met living over here said she couldn't find "Chewdah" Street on a map. When I spelt "Tudor" (pronounced with a sort of "tyew" at the beginning) she said, she said, "Oh, Two-door-r-r". She missed the "tyew" sound, but added the "or" sound, and the "rr" at the end. ABC Word Map - is a brilliant site People add their own word usages from across Australia (pronounced "Oz-straya", by the way) and then the variations on usage are mapped geographically. I live in Region 2 on the map, in the Hunter Valley. You can click on that region and there are examples of words and phrases used here. There are a lot of regional variations that I have noticed from different parts of Oz, when I have surfed through that site. There are words and phrases I have never heard in my life because they are not said around here. Accents vary around Oz too. It's a big place. I'm not sure if the sounds of the words are added as audio. There may be some words with audio. I'd be interested to know if you do find any (serious) resources on learning the Oz accent. And Ana, if you kiwis learnt to speak proper over on your side of the pond, we'd all get along a lot better. Orright?! :-) Helen ex-librarian & true-blue Aussie |
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25 Jun 11 - 06:46 PM (#3176449) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Helen You Tube - How to do an Australian accent You Tube - How to do an Australian accent, Part 2 And other You-Tube vids available |
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25 Jun 11 - 07:00 PM (#3176458) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Helen This vid is really funny, but not suitable for kids unless you stop it before the bit at the end about the French arriving at Botany Bay. Adam Hills - comedian, about accents |
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26 Jun 11 - 09:14 AM (#3176677) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: JennieG Australia has regional accents too....for instance, South Australians say "darnce" where the rest of us use a short "a" sound, so that "dance" rhymes with "pants". And please, for goodness' sake, don't think that we all sound like Steve Irwin; some of us have never said "crikey" in our lives, and have no intention of ever doing so in the future. Cheers JennieG who is Aussie born and bred and proud of it, but can speak proper-like when the occasion demands it |
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26 Jun 11 - 09:24 AM (#3176683) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: freda underhill This page from Macquarie uni's linguiistics department has samples of Aussie accents including historical and regional samples. |
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26 Jun 11 - 09:38 AM (#3176692) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: freda underhill That Adam Hills clip is very funny. Here's another insight into the Australian language as sung by Adam Hill |
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26 Jun 11 - 04:19 PM (#3176817) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Richard Bridge Listen |
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26 Jun 11 - 04:24 PM (#3176821) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Peter Laban I remember someone explaining how it's all down to asking the right questions. Like: 'What do you do for a living, digger?' or 'What's your name, Sheila?' |
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27 Jun 11 - 02:32 AM (#3176989) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Helen Freda - that's so funny. New tune for the anthem, and every Australian under 60 would know it. Helen |
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27 Jun 11 - 06:19 PM (#3177404) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,warren fahey Tut tut tut.... you should hear what we say about some of the more extreme English, Scottish and Irish accents. Much of the British view of our accent was (and still is) based on actors like Chips Rafferty, Paul Hogan, Kath and Kim, Barry Humphrey characters and others who exaggerated points of our vernacular. The average Australian of the 21st century does not speak like any of the aforementioned (unless we're in England!). One in every five Australians now speak an Asian language but we've got just about every other language and slanguage in the mix. They're all welcome to throw in their ten bob's worth. What we could do without is the Americanisation of our language, especially in our youth culture where many speak as if they were raised in Harlem or Detroit. Where we do shine is in colloquial expressions. My favourite (and you Poms might need a translator). "He's so unlucky they could be showing free films up a sheep's arse and he'd still be some dag hanging 'round the back' For more Australian colloquialisms visit my Australian Folklore Unit site at http://www.warrenfahey.com/colsayings.htm and go to the left hand panel 'lexicon' |
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28 Jun 11 - 08:47 AM (#3177732) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Gerry "What we could do without is the Americanisation of our language..." Hey, Warren, shouldn't that be "Americanization"? |
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28 Jun 11 - 05:31 PM (#3177953) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Little Robyn The thing I notice creeping into the Aussie soaps shown on NZ TV is the pronunciation of the letter H - as haitch! The kids at Summer Bay doing their Haitch SC. Where did that come from? Robyn |
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28 Jun 11 - 07:56 PM (#3178018) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Bob Bolton G'day Gerry, "... shouldn't that be "Americanization"? ..." Not in Australian! The pernicious American "zee" in such endings has become almost worldwide ... so much so that that it is now the internationally accepted spelling ... except in Australia / Australian English! Certainly, all my editions (1 to 5!) of the Oxford Concise Australian Dictionary give only "Americanise"! The only Australian body with which it is firmly entrenched is the Australian Standards people ... who, inevitably, dream of a world where everyone speaks one universal / indistinguishable language. As an editor in technical publications, I can assure you the rest of the country tends to spell in Australian English ... however it ends up sounding! Regard(les)s, Bob |
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28 Jun 11 - 10:48 PM (#3178062) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Tangledwood The thing I notice creeping into the Aussie soaps shown on NZ TV is the pronunciation of the letter H - as haitch! The kids at Summer Bay doing their Haitch SC. Where did that come from? According to an English language professor who used to do a question and answer program on ABC radio here, it probably originated with Irish nuns teaching in Catholic schools, even though their own literacy wasn't high. I think he was referring to the 19th century. It's certainly not a new thing creeping in here but isn't universally used either. |
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28 Jun 11 - 10:58 PM (#3178067) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: JennieG In a survey carried out in this household (population 2) this morning, it was determined that Himself pronounces the letter h as 'haitch', while I say 'aitch'. Himself is not a product of the Catholic education system but went to government schools, as indeed I did myself; his education was in Sydney while mine was in a country town. Perhaps it was emphasised to avoid the dropping of h in some words, which was supposed to be a sign of common-ness and ill-breeding....for instance, saying "I couldn't 'elp it'? And of course we all know that when the word 'like' is banished from the English language every teenager in the world will be struck dumb, unable to communicate. But we won't go there, will we. Cheers JennieG |
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29 Jun 11 - 11:00 AM (#3178323) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Snuffy I think the London First Fleeters probably brought Haitch with them: Q: 'Ow do yer spell yer name? A: Haitch, hay, har, har, high, hess, ho, hen - 'Arrison |
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29 Jun 11 - 08:08 PM (#3178746) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent From: GUEST
It is the bloody Mary Queen of Scotts that brought this aborration upon the "King's Tongue."
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30 Jun 11 - 01:59 AM (#3178881) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Gerry Sorry, Bob, there is nothing Australian about using s where Americans use z. There's a British spelling and there's an American spelling, and if you choose to prefer the former colonial power to the present one, well, no worries, mate, she's apples. |
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30 Jun 11 - 07:03 AM (#3178990) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Mr Red too right mate! |
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30 Jun 11 - 07:44 AM (#3179008) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Jim Clark poetryreincarnation youtube channe G'Day There Cobbers How about trying a bit of "Romeo & Juliet" Aussie style C. J. Dennis "The Play" - "Romeo and Juliet" Australian style |
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19 Dec 11 - 08:09 PM (#3276867) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Amelia I thought Australians pronounced Australia as Oztraillya not Oztraya, if anyone wants to avago at it, it would be much appreciated thanks! :) |
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20 Dec 11 - 02:18 PM (#3277235) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: mayomick By raising the pitch of your voice at the end of a sentence as if you were asking a question. |
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20 Dec 11 - 04:02 PM (#3277316) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,CJB I got this from a Kiwi friend: "This is Air New Zealand flight sex, sex, sex and we hope that you enjoy it." |
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20 Dec 11 - 04:26 PM (#3277332) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,CJB You're all missing the definitive site for Australian bushlore, songs and music: http://www.warrenfahey.com/ |
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20 Dec 11 - 11:20 PM (#3277552) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: JennieG I thought it was Air New Zealand flight sucks sucks sucks.... Cheers JennieG who was called Jinnifer by the locals on her so-far one and only trip to NZ |
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21 Dec 11 - 12:52 AM (#3277564) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Allen in Oz JR They did very well calling you Jinnifir really over there in the land of the Long Lost Vowel. I lived next to a Kiwi and his son was named Grant whom he called Grnt ! AD (Who is still getting over the loss in the Cricket to NZ) Some Strine for beginners " Ow yergoin maite oorriite "? ad |
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22 Dec 11 - 12:26 AM (#3278142) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Gerry My favorite Australian accent joke: Two Australians visiting Toronto want to drive into the US, but they don't have visas. Canadian friend advises them: when they ask you at immigration where you are from, say "T'rana." That way, they'll take you for Canadian, and let you right in. So they drive up to the border. Immigration officer asks the driver, "Where are you from?" Driver says, "T'rana." Officer asks the passenger, "and you?" "Sime plice, mite!" |
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22 Dec 11 - 04:29 AM (#3278226) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: GUEST,Don Wise Strewth, strine is nothing! Try speaking 'neutral/mid-atlantic english'..........first of all, you have to define it. |
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22 Dec 11 - 05:26 AM (#3278243) Subject: RE: Folklore: How to speak in an Australian accent? From: Mr Happy Which Australian accent? |