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05 Oct 99 - 05:57 AM (#120877) Subject: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: John Moulden I have for sale a single unbound and uncut copy of the above in the Broadside King (London, 1973) edition with a foreward by AL Lloyd. This was a facsimile reprint on high quality paper of the original 1891 edition. Despite its name the songs are almost all from ballad sheets.
It may be possible to obtain other copies and possibly other items from this same publisher.
There are circumstances attached to this sale which I would rather not air publicly (but the sale is will not for my profit) and ask that anyone who is interested will contact me privately. |
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05 Oct 99 - 08:53 AM (#120897) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Matthew B. I have that same book. Just a warning though. Most of the songs in it are not the type of sea shanty we're used to, but instead they're the ballads and other tunes that sailors sang on ship whether they were about the sea or not. Kind of like a "Top 40 hits" of the day that sailors (and landsmen) sang on board the ships as they did when on land. |
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05 Oct 99 - 01:06 PM (#120959) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: SeanM You might consider putting it up for auction... establish a minimum bid and all that... we've got one on this site. M |
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05 Oct 99 - 01:18 PM (#120961) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Matthew B. But you might want to mention that the book has the lyrics but not the music. |
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05 Oct 99 - 05:40 PM (#121037) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Barbara Could any of you enlighten me a bit as to who John Ashton is? I presume he is the same person in the Finest Kind song about Jack Ashton, right? Blessings, Barbara |
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05 Oct 99 - 05:56 PM (#121042) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Martin _Ryan I have a book by Ashton called "Modern Street Ballads" , published in 1888 and covering songs collected in the first half of the nineteenth century. The fly leaf describes him as "Author of "Social life in the reign of Queen Anne"". I'm sure John Moulden can give us his dates etc. The "Modern Street Ballads" is a nice book, with some good woodcuts. Thea contents are from broadsheets and include some inteeresting versions of well known songs. Regards |
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05 Oct 99 - 06:45 PM (#121061) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: When Ashton says something 'is not of interest to the general reader' that means he expurgated it, and he was very quick to do such. His publications that I have are: 'Humour With and Satire of the 17th Century' 'A Century of Ballads' 'Modern Street Ballads' 'Chapbooks of the 18th Century' |
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05 Oct 99 - 07:36 PM (#121070) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Graham Pirt Barbara I don't think that Jack Ashton is the same as John Ashton, if you're talking about the song I think you are. Keith Marsden wrote a song called Jack Ashton about a chap in Leeds between the wars who told tall stories to the kids under the gaslights. He was what we called "tenpence, shilling". I don't know what "Finest Kind" is in your message but would be interested - performers? book?. Please enlighten. By the way I also have the book referred to in the thread. I got it from John Ashton, known as the Broadsheet King (if I remember correctly) when he performed at the Hull folk Club back in the 70's - Then again perhaps my memory betrays me! Graham |
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05 Oct 99 - 08:29 PM (#121092) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Barbara Ya, that's the song, and Finest Kind is an Ottawa (Canada) trio -- Ian Robb, Anne Downey, Shelley Posen. Sing wonderful harmony, a capella and otherwise. (Check our links, I got the CD from Folk Legacy after Joe Offer recommended it), Is "tenpence/shilling" the same as " tuppence off the shilling"? Blessings, Barbara |
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06 Oct 99 - 07:42 AM (#121254) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Graham Pirt Barbara Thanks, I'd like to hear their version. I still sing with Cockersdale which is the group formed by Keith to sing his songs. We still perform regularly in the UK and have been presenting a show of Keith's life called "Picking Sooty Blackberries" However, back to JOHN Ashton. I was fooled by my memory. John was not the Broadsheet King (and vice versa) I must try and remember now who the Broadsheet King is! Graham |
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06 Oct 99 - 12:48 PM (#121331) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Matthew B. So whatever happened to John Moulden, and why hasn't he posted anything? |
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06 Oct 99 - 01:30 PM (#121347) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: It was John Foreman who styled himself 'The Broadsheet King' in London in the 1960's. John Ashton's books on popular culture (ballads, chapbooks, +) were all published in the 1880's and 90's. 'Real Sailor Songs' is one of the most difficult of his works to come by. |
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06 Oct 99 - 03:27 PM (#121396) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: John Moulden John Foreman was indeed the Broadsheet King. The reason why there has been nothing from me since the first post is that I have been transacting the business by private e-mail as I said I would. I have been bid $50 for a start - for further details or to place a bid (and I repeat, this sale will not benefit me in any way) contact jmoul81075@aol.com |
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06 Oct 99 - 05:09 PM (#121435) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Graham Pirt John Foreman - that's the man "If I can't have a proper cup of coffee in a proper copper coffee poy I'll have a cup of tea" tho' I'm sure that Didn't come from "Real Sailor Songs"! The book is a really nice production - if very large and difficult to fit on a bookshelf. |
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06 Oct 99 - 07:32 PM (#121494) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Martin _Ryan Aha! Now I remember the book! I thought the title sounded familiar! Regards |
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07 Oct 99 - 03:16 AM (#121587) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Jon Bartlett Graham Pirt, I note you know something about "Proper Cup of Coffee", which I've been looking for (info, that is). Could you post it to me at Rika_Ruebsaat@sfu.ca? Thanks a million |
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07 Oct 99 - 03:40 AM (#121590) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Graham Pirt Jon It might be that the only bit I knew was what I quoted! However I think I know someone who may be able to help. Give me some time and I'll check. |
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07 Oct 99 - 03:56 AM (#121592) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Joe Offer I've been wondering about the "Coffeepot Song" too, Jon. Did I understand it's in the Real Sailor Songs book? I couldn't find it there (great book, by the way. I really like the illustrations, but wish it had tunes for the songs.) Let's start another thread and open the coffeepot song question to the forum - click here to a coffeepot thread. -Joe Offer- |
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07 Oct 99 - 09:51 AM (#121649) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: Liam's Brother Hi John! $55.
All the best, |
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07 Oct 99 - 03:50 PM (#121794) Subject: RE: John Ashton: Real Sailor Songs From: John Moulden Since I also made the original posting on Irtrad-l and Ballad-l, I regret I can only accept bids to my e-mail address. |