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08 Oct 99 - 09:46 AM (#122049) Subject: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: John in Brisbane There is an old folk song by this name which I have come across recently, but I recall a music hall version recorded by Edward Woodward about 20 years ago ..'Champagne Charlie is my name, champagne is my game ...I'm the idle of the bar-maids, Champagne Charlie is my name'.
Is anyone familiar with either of the two versions please?
Regards, John |
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08 Oct 99 - 10:01 AM (#122052) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Steve Parkes Tommy Trinder also recorde it in the thirties in a bio-pic about [I think it was] George Laybourne, the music hall star who performed it. Trinder's words are not correct, for some reason I've never understood. The original was an early example of a well-known song being annexed by the advertisers: "Only Moet's vintage satisfies this champagne swell". That's as much as I can remember! Steve |
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08 Oct 99 - 09:25 PM (#122218) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Gene Do you mean the EDWARD WOODWARD/'Breaker Morant'
and 'The Equalizer' TV show? |
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08 Oct 99 - 11:44 PM (#122250) Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE From: Malcolm Douglas Champagne Charlie Albert Chevalier comes to mind here, though I certainly recall Stanley Holloway singing it, too. Out of interest, here's an early version, from the Bodleian Library broadside collection. I've seen a deal of gaiety throughout my noisy life The way I gained my title, is by a hobby which I've got, From coffee and from supper-room, from Poplar to Pall Mall, Some epicures like burgundy, hock, claret and moselle, Perhaps you fancy what I say is nothing else but chaff, Malcolm |
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09 Oct 99 - 12:40 AM (#122255) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: DonMeixner Gene, The very one, remember the theme song to Breaker Morant? Woodward sang it. Great voice. Don |
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09 Oct 99 - 01:21 AM (#122264) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Stewie I have a version on a 1978 Warners LP of the same name by the irrepressible Leon Redbone - it's a lovely album with, as someone once said, 'all the ambience of old 78s' - which nicely encapsulates the quality of Redbone's music (and Robert Crumb and the Cheap Suit Serenaders as well, I reckon). Lovely! It also has one of the best covers of Jimmie Rodgers' 'TB Blues'. It has been reissued on CD. Interestingly, a version of 'Champagne Charlie' was recorded by Blind Blake at his very last session for Paramount in June 1932. Dixon & Godrich express doubts as to whether it was Blake on that side - the other side was 'Depression's gone from me blues'. They write: 'Two different singers could be involved on this session. The first title is a vaudeville-type performance most unlike Blake's voice and material, while the second is more like a normal Blind Blake recording'. However, Don Kent, vintage record collector and blues expert, seems to have no such doubts in his notes to 'Before the Blues Vol 3' Yazoo CD 2017 ( a magnificent trilogy of CDs) on which it appears. Kent writes: 'The melody is derived from the fiddle tune 'Going Down to Town' with verses that usually appear in country songs. This is a variant that sounds as if it were created for a minstrel or vaudeville show around the turn of the century. Although Blake unleashes his typically impeccable picking skills, both the introduction and the instrumental break are reminiscent of banjo playing, which is how the song would have been initially played'. I hope that is of use to you, Stewie. |
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09 Oct 99 - 06:34 PM (#122340) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: poet Dont forget "Callan". the best E.W. ever. |
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10 Oct 99 - 09:34 AM (#122455) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: bigJ The song was written about the 1860's by George Leybourne, with music by Alfred Lee. According to Michael Kilgarriff's book 'Sing Us One of the Old Songs', the prototype for the song was the fourth Marquis of Hastings, a notorious gambler, high liver and spendthrift. Leybourne also wrote 'The Man on the Flyng Trapeze', |
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17 Oct 00 - 08:50 PM (#321382) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: John in Brisbane I'll be sending a MIDI of this today to Mudcat MIDI's.
One small mystery is also explained in Songs From The Music Hall (Albert Publications Australia).
Music - Alfred Lee
Regards, John |
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26 Nov 04 - 02:11 PM (#1339888) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: GUEST,grayforester The Blind Blake tune picked up by Leon Redbone is at best an attempt to cobble together a passable song from what parts of Leybourne's work remained in memory. There is little overlap. It's an attmpt to gain mileage out of a good title without having bothered to learn the words or tune. |
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26 Nov 04 - 05:34 PM (#1340049) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Micca If you never found this John there is a listing here Champagne Charlie |
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26 Nov 04 - 06:22 PM (#1340069) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: TheBigPinkLad I don't know the words but I'm sure Edward Woodward would ... |
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27 Nov 04 - 02:11 AM (#1340309) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: punkfolkrocker dont forget Edward Woodward also starred in the greatest british folk musical horror movie ever made.. |
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27 Nov 04 - 02:22 PM (#1340591) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: alanabit We had quite a thread about "The Wicker Man" a while back. There was a rare old debate about the authenticity of the music and whether it was fair to Pagans etc. |
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27 Nov 04 - 02:52 PM (#1340615) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Geoff the Duck The best performance I've seen by Edward Woodward was Nev in "Common as muck" where he played a dustbin man (refuse collector). He returned from America and put on several stone weight because it was a role he could not miss doing. Quack!! Geoff the Duck. |
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27 Nov 04 - 04:02 PM (#1340665) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: alanabit I liked him in a futuristic thriller series which he made. I can't recall the title. Maybe it was called 1990. It was about a totalitarian regime taking over the UK. (So what's new?) I think his character was called Kyle, or something like that. Does anyone remember more about it? |
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27 Nov 04 - 08:30 PM (#1340853) Subject: RE: Champagne Charlie - Old parody anyone? From: Joybell Back to the song - My Mum used to sing a song using the tune of Champagne Charlie. Back in about 1910 when she was at school in Melbourne, the class had to sing it to any child who was late. She told me that it had quite an effect. Just as standing in the corner did. Ahhh the old days !! It went: Tardy Scholar is your name You'll be scolded who's to blame? See how well we know you Then Tardy Scholar is your name. A song-collecter friend found it in New South Wales, recently, sung by an elderly singer. Is it known anywhere else? Joy |
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24 Mar 10 - 07:48 AM (#2870654) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: GUEST,Judith I can add an extra two lines which my grandmother used to sing.
Slowly creeping to the schoolyard gate, Tardy Scholar is your name" Perhaps these extra lines will trigger someone else's memory. She was born c 1886 and I remember her singing it in the 1950's |
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24 Mar 10 - 07:56 AM (#2870657) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: mikesamwild I a;ways think of this when I play The Kirkgate Hornpipe! It's got quite a lot in common. as also with Leaning on the Lampost . or is it just me? |
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11 Aug 10 - 10:54 PM (#2963367) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Tardy Scholar From: GUEST,Lyn Williams My Gran used to sing Tardy Scholar to me in the early 50's as follows: Tardy Scholar is your name You are scoulded who's to blame Always sleeping til the clock strikes 8 Slowly creeping to the school yard gate.. can't remember the rest |
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12 Aug 10 - 12:12 AM (#2963381) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: ClaireBear Back to Champagne Charlie for a moment...the chorus I've heard is soewhat longer and more complex than what's posted above. I rather expect the source for this version is a 1970s U.S. collection of British music hall songs (whose name and compiler I can't recall, sorry). I suspect this because where I learned it was at the Living History Centre's Dickens Christmas Fair, and that was the book (I happen to know, because I was staff librarian at the time) from which most of that group's music hall artistes got their material. Anyway, here's how it went: For... Champagne Charlie is my name, Champagne drinking is my game, Good for any game at night, my boys, Good for any game at night, my boys, All 'round town it is the same By 'pop, pop, pop' I rose to fame. Good for any game at night, my boys, Who'll come and join me in a spree? |
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12 Aug 10 - 01:08 AM (#2963391) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: ClaireBear Found the book, published in 1976 by Chappell in London and New York: Sixty years of British music hall, compiled by John M. Garrett |
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12 Aug 10 - 01:12 AM (#2963393) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: ClaireBear Check the related thread listed at the top of the page for more variants and information. |
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12 Aug 10 - 10:22 AM (#2963587) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: Don Day Odd that someone should mention The Wicker Man. It is my theory that this film set the plot for Brass Monkey. |
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12 Aug 10 - 06:11 PM (#2963914) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie - Edward Woodward From: GUEST,Carys I have Edward Woodward's version as an MP3 if anyone is interested |
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12 Aug 10 - 06:33 PM (#2963938) Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Carys Here you go - just listened to it and as Edward Woodward has such fantastic diction I could hear every word and wrote them down for you CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE (recorded by Edward Woodward) Some people go for funny drinks and down them by the pail like coffee cocoa tea and milk and even Adam's ale for my part they can keep the lot I never would complain I wouldn't touch the bloomin stuff I only drink champagne chorus Champage Charlie is my name Champagne drinkiing is my game There'e no drink as good as fizz fizz fizz I'll drink every drop there is is is All round town it is the same By pop pop pop I rose to fame I'm the idol of the barmaids and Champagne Charlie is my name whoever drinks at my expense has no need to complain for everyone I treat alike I make them drink champagne chorus the Edward Woodward version transcribed by me from the LP Edwardian Woodward |
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11 Oct 10 - 06:42 AM (#3004296) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,clara I have wonderful memories of Champagne Charlie and Edward Woodward. My dad used to sing around the house to his songs. My other favourite of his was "Who were you with last night". I noticed Guest,Carys has Champagne Charlie on Mp3, which I would love, and wondered if anyone had this other favourite of mine. |
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11 Oct 10 - 07:23 AM (#3004311) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,ArranBrownButterfly I believe it was 'Champagne Charlie' which caused the Salvation Army to ask, 'Why should the devil have all the good tunes?' and so they wrote religious words to it. |
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11 Oct 10 - 12:00 PM (#3004491) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Carys Hi Clara I have most of Edward Woodward's LPs and have used a USB deck to transfer them to MP3, bought the LP's on Ebay quite cheaply some time ago and you can still pick them up. The one you need is Edwardian Woodward. There is a chap selling homemade CD's on Ebay but I do not think that is right. |
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18 Nov 10 - 01:38 PM (#3035293) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Fred O'Callaghan, Deansgrange, County Dublin My grandmother used to sing "Tardy scholar is your name" in the nineteen-thirties. I was very young at the time and, I think, used inwardly to take it somewhat personally, because punctuality at school was rather a problem with me. Later I came to the conclusion that it was a music-hall song from my grandmother's young days. A 3/4 time version of it occurs in a lesser known Johann Strauss waltz, whose title escapes me. I think Strauss was commemorating a visit to Victorian England. I got quite a start when I first heard the waltz! My memory of the words is very close to those quoted already, but part of the "verse" that I seem to remember (I may have filled gaps from my imagination)is: I am scolded ev'ry day, Why it is I cannot say, When I reach the schoolyard gate, Someone tells me I am late. I'd really like to know more! |
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18 Nov 10 - 04:27 PM (#3035431) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,pismotality For a further TWO DAYS ONLY you can watch episode two of Rude Britannia on the bbc website here. This covers the origins of music hall right up to Donald Magill's seaside postcards in the mid fifties and there is quite a lot about George Leybourne and the song Champagne Charlie. Not sure how access works outside the UK but try it. The programme is about an hour and very entertaining. The song starts about 09.40 in. Incidentally, the Champagne Charlie biopic referred much earlier is very stylishly done, an Ealing pic directed by Cavalcanti, who also directed Went the Day Well? and Dead of Night. I saw it on the big screen a few years ago and it stands up very well. You can get it on several of the Ealing cheapo DVD box sets and probably on its own too. Keith Michell also sang Champagne Charlie - rather than I'm Henery the Eighth, I Am - on TV on a show recorded at Wilton's Music Hall circa 1970 with Peter Sellers and others. |
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21 Nov 10 - 11:45 AM (#3037374) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodwa From: Jim Dixon For Fred O'Callaghan: From Notes and Queries, 1923, page 359: There was a song sung at an Infants' School in West End, Hampstead, circa 1890, which commenced:— I am scolded every day. How it is I cannot say. When I reach the school-yard gate, Some one tells me I am late. CHORUS: "Tardy scholar" is your name. You are scolded, who's to blame. You are scolded, who's to blame, ha! ha! (bis). During the chorus the children pointed a finger of scorn at an imaginary delinquent. The tune and measure of this chorus was exactly the same as that once popular song called 'Champagne Charlie is my name,' sung many years previously by very different people, and I often wondered whether any of the teachers recollected this curious coincidence. EE NEWTON. |
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14 May 12 - 03:23 PM (#3350803) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Rakhee Our 4th grade teacher had taught us this and made us perform it at a school competition. I was the 'Tardy Scholar' in the performance - so here's how I still remember it in my head years later. Of course, this may have gone through some iterations from the original... I am scolded every day / How it is, I cannot say / when I reach the schoolyard gate / someone tells me I am late! Chorus: Tardy Scholar is your name / You are scolded everyday / Always creeping through the schoolyard gate / making faces just because you're late / tardy Scholar is your name / you are scolded everyday / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy scholar is your name. I can spell the BA BAA / That i learnt the other day / How to figure on my slate / Yet they say I'm always late! Chorus: You are forgetful to be sure / You are forgetful to be sure / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy scholar is your name. That is just the way you see / All are making fun of me / Laughing at my tangled hair / No one likes me, I declare! Chorus: Stupid fellow don't you cry / Stupid fellow don't you cry / We are making fun of you Ha! Ha! / Pray what better can we do Ha! Ha! Tardy Scholar is your name / You are scolded every day / Now you see how well we know you / Tardy Scholar is your name. |
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31 Oct 12 - 02:36 AM (#3428706) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Trudi O,Neil The words I remember from my grandmother in Ireland in 1933 Tardy scholar is your name.If we scold you whose's to blame. Always sleeping til the clock strikes eight Slowly creeping to the schoolyard gate. Chorus Tardy scholar is your name.Tardy scholar is your name. Ah; you see how well we know you Tardy scholar is your name. I can spell my ABC and I learned the other day how to figure on my slate.Yet they tell me I am late. Chorus I am scolded every day, why it is I cannot say.When I reach the schoolyard gate,still they tell me I am late. Chorus Stupid fellow dont you cry ,stupid fellow dont you cry. We are making fun of you Ha Ha.Pray what better can we do Ha Ha. Tardy scholar is your name Tardy scholar is your name.Ah you see how well we know you Tardy scholar is your name |
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31 Oct 12 - 05:01 AM (#3428737) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST there's a good blues version of this by leon redbone. Martin Simpson also did an instrumental version of it. |
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31 Oct 12 - 09:23 AM (#3428823) Subject: Lyr Add: CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE (Blind Blake) From: Jim Dixon CHAMPAGNE CHARLIE As sung by Blind Blake on "The Very Best of Blind Blake." 1. Went to see my true love; never been there before, Her shoes an' stockin's in her han' an' her feet all over the floor. CHORUS: Champagne Charlie is my name. Champagne Charlie is my name. Champagne Charlie is my name, by golly, An' roguin' an' stealin' is my game. 2. I went down to Louisville an' I hain't been there before, An' a great big bully knocked me down an' I betn't go back no more. 3. I went to see a young lady; I hain't been there before. She feed me {out o' my boat big chalk} an' I ain't going back no more. 4. I got drunk last night an' all the night before, An' I ain't gonna get—no more an' I ain't comin' back no—. NOTES: "Charlie" approximately rhymes with "golly." I think "betn't" might mean "better not" or "bet I won't." { …} I spelled these words phonetically; I have no idea what they really are. Dashes in verse 4 represent pauses where Blake deliberately skips a word. Leon Redbone's version is similar but he changes the words a bit and he is even less intelligible. |
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31 Jan 13 - 01:58 PM (#3473938) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST Hi Cary's Can you please tell me where I can purchase the MP3 version of Edward Woodward singing Champagne Charlie? I have searched all the sites I am aware of. Many thanks Lizzieliza |
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31 Jan 13 - 02:11 PM (#3473947) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST Hi all. I just posted a message asking where I can get an MP3 version of Champagne Charlie. Further to that, if anyone knows of a site where I can listen to Edward's version in the meantime I'd much appreciate it. Thanks again. Lizzieliza |
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15 Aug 21 - 12:21 AM (#4116594) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST Tardy Scholar is your name You are scolded. You’re to blame See how well we know you Tardy Scholar is your name Oh, dear. What can be All are making fun of me Laughing at my tangled hair I am guilty, I declare Tardy Scholar is your name You are scolded. You’re to blame See how well we know you Tardy Scholar is your name |
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13 Aug 23 - 08:08 AM (#4179093) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GUEST,Cheryl My Dad was born in 1889. He was 67 when I was born. He was from Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and he used to sing this to me when I wouldn’t get up for school quickly enough. That was in the 1960’s. BTW I sing it to my grandchildren now. |
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13 Aug 23 - 01:18 PM (#4179106) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: GeoffLawes Many recordings of Champagne Charlie on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=champagne+charlie+george+leybourne |
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14 Aug 23 - 11:52 AM (#4179169) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: Lighter Leybourne's "Champagne Charley" was advertised as one of the "Best and Newest Comic songs" in the London "Era" (Sept. 16, 1866). It appeared in Boston in 1867. |
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14 Aug 23 - 01:28 PM (#4179172) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: Long Firm Freddie The sheet music for the original version is available to view online and download as a pdf here: Champagne Charlie at the Levy Collection LFF |
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25 Aug 23 - 01:26 AM (#4179899) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Champagne Charlie (from Edward Woodward) From: rich-joy Just come across info and pics on George Leybourne and "Champagne Charlie" - (and other Music Hall luminaries) - in Abney Park Cemetery in Stoke Newington, London - from my long-time favourite (and highly recommended) blog, "Spitalfields Life" : https://spitalfieldslife.com/2014/07/23/music-hall-artistes-of-abney-park-cemetery/ ENJOY! R-J |