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10 Feb 12 - 03:47 PM (#3305576) Subject: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: ChrisJBrady 'Woolly mammoth' caught on video in Siberia An astonishing video shot by a Russian engineer appears to show a hairy elephant-sized animal wading through a river in the wilds of Siberia. Just like the ice-age creature, the beast in the images has a red hairy coat and clearly-visible giant tusks. With its trunk swinging from side to side, the creature's coat would match samples of preserved mammoth hair dug up from permafrost in frozen Russia. The incredible footage was filmed by a government-employed engineer last summer in the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug region of Siberia. He was in the area to survey for a planned road. Releasing the footage anonymously for the first time, the Russian national said he wanted to draw attention to the fact that woolly mammoths still exist in the vast unexplored wastes of Siberia. Woolly mammoths roamed the Earth 10,000 years ago during the last Ice Age, although scientists believe the last of the animals died out 3,500 years ago. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/weirdnewsvideo/9071531/Woolly-mammoth-caught-on-video-in-Siberia.html Hoax? |
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10 Feb 12 - 03:52 PM (#3305579) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Paul Burke Other reckon it's a bear catching a fish. |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:16 PM (#3305591) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Bill D Doesn't look hairy or red to ME. Looks like an elephant. |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:21 PM (#3305594) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Will Fly It looks exactly like an elephant. |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:37 PM (#3305601) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Lonesome EJ Plausible, I think |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:40 PM (#3305605) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza It's definitely elephant-shaped, but too far away to be able to say it's a mammoth. It could even be a spoof! (Two men in a plastic inflatable elephant, like some of the Loch Ness monster pictures) |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:40 PM (#3305606) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link Looks like a bear with something in its mouth to me. |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:46 PM (#3305608) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Penny S. I can see why someone thought it was a mammoth - but there should be a herd of them. And tusks. I go along with the bear interpretation - in the middle of the film that becomes quite obvious. Penny |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:47 PM (#3305609) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Charley Noble Alas, don't think so either. But, as someone else posted, if it were a mammoth someone would have shot it then and there. Charley Noble |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:50 PM (#3305612) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: gnu It's a bear wit yer salmon. The "snout" wouldn't be that colour if it was a wooly snout. Unless that there is the extremely rare siver snout wooly which was thought to be extinct... until now. I say they should have shot it to confirm it was almost extinct. |
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10 Feb 12 - 04:52 PM (#3305613) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Wesley S Of course it's a mammoth. What surprises me is that none of you noticed the T. Rex in the background. |
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10 Feb 12 - 05:05 PM (#3305618) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: gnu Silver snout wooly, of course. But, you all knew that even with my ypto. |
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10 Feb 12 - 08:12 PM (#3305703) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: kendall It's an Alaskan Brown Bear with a Salmon in it's mouth. |
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10 Feb 12 - 08:25 PM (#3305708) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,999 Nice fish. |
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10 Feb 12 - 08:36 PM (#3305718) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Pathetic. The way that supposed tusk is flapping about, the poor bugger would need some serious dental work. Grizzly + Salmon + video camera = Idiot Telegraph Editor with egg all over his face. Don T. |
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10 Feb 12 - 09:02 PM (#3305729) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Rapparee I suspect that it's rare video footage of a large salmon with a wooly mammoth in its mouth. |
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10 Feb 12 - 10:03 PM (#3305742) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: JohnInKansas If you examine closely, you might note that the "bow wave" where the water meets the "animal's" legs translates without change as the animal "walks" across the stream. Some attempt may have been made to simulate a ripple, but it's poorly executed. There are other clues easily spotted by experienced photoshoppers, one prominent one of which is the nearly uniform "blur" throughout the entire field of view (frequently used to obscure touchup artifacts). Nearly all video cameras approximating the apparent quality of the one we're supposed to believe do have some "autofocus" capability, and it's good enough in even the most primitive of cameras that there should have been some part of the images in focus, or very nearly so, even if other parts were "out of the depth" of the lens. Even if "locked" to a fixed focus (which can be done only with cameras that should still have taken better images), there should have been some variation in how far out of focus the parts of the image are, since the relative distances to features in the picture span a very long range. One reporter identified the most amazing thing about the film as where on earth did he get a camera that bad?, which is a valid question, but only if you assume it's not a total hoax. The person reported to be the one posting the video is well known for previous hoaxes, as well. John |
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11 Feb 12 - 12:30 AM (#3305778) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: ragdall Looks like a standard Grizzer carrying a flopping salmon. rags |
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11 Feb 12 - 05:11 AM (#3305830) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Penny S. He got the camera from the same shop as the one which filmed the big black cat near Stroud. Penny |
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11 Feb 12 - 05:22 AM (#3305835) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Roger the Skiffler Blurred still in the newspapers looked like a bear with a fish to me. RtS |
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11 Feb 12 - 08:50 AM (#3305928) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Bee-dubya-ell Whatever it is, I feel sorry for it. Can you imagine going through life being that blurry? |
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11 Feb 12 - 09:26 AM (#3305945) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,999 Like, uh, doesn't anyone here give a sh#t about the fish? Poor little thing minding its own business and SNAP, no more flies, no more little fishies for brunch . . . you people are heartless! |
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11 Feb 12 - 09:40 AM (#3305957) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Jim Dixon And why is the video so short? If I had seen a woolly mammoth, I would have used every bit of tape or memory I had. Was the photographer reluctant to delete his videos of Yetis and UFOs? |
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11 Feb 12 - 05:10 PM (#3306202) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,999 The people whose name is stamped on the photo have pics of them, too. |
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11 Feb 12 - 05:34 PM (#3306217) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Bill D Ok...I just watched it twice again, and it DOES look more like a bear each time...and the 'trunk' sure does wiggle strangely......and I have NO idea where anyone thinks they see tusks. |
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11 Feb 12 - 06:53 PM (#3306319) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Jim Dixon The video bears the words "Siberian Mammoth Copyright Michael Cohen, Barcroft Media" I googled "Michael Cohen Barcroft Media" (without quotes) and I found this at http://ufoupdateslist.com/2011/oct/m22-003.shtml: "...Michael Cohen and his website allnewsweb.com have for several years now passed off lame, hoaxed videos and related reports and pictures on his site regarding UFOs and "aliens" with nary a critical or objective evaluation...." With reference to a different video of an alleged "alien," the writer questions Cohen's right to put a copyright notice on the video, when Cohen claims that he didn't create the video himself but that someone "leaked" it to him. The writer also says that Cohen "brings disrepute to legitimate ufology." 'Nuff said? |
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11 Feb 12 - 09:57 PM (#3306514) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: EBarnacle Probably not even Siberia. |
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11 Feb 12 - 10:13 PM (#3306518) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: frogprince How many photos have you seen of Noah's ark where it's still embedded in the ice on Ararat? The first one I saw could have been a grease smudge on almost any surface, or a shapeless shadow on a wall, badly out of focus; it made this mammoth picture look like proof positive. |
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11 Feb 12 - 11:01 PM (#3306582) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Klumper It's Yogi Bear craftily disguised as an elephant to fool Salmon into thinking he's only a harmless herbivore come down to the water for a wallow and a drink. |
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12 Feb 12 - 09:53 AM (#3306900) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza I still suspect it's two men in a plastic elephant suit! |
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12 Feb 12 - 10:08 AM (#3306913) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza Seriously though, I've just watched it again, and now I can see it's obviously a bear. The 'tusk' is drooping down 'cos it's a fish! |
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12 Feb 12 - 11:07 AM (#3306939) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: meself Sorry - it's a mammoth in a rubber bear suit. |
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12 Feb 12 - 11:09 AM (#3306941) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Mrrzy OK, I can see that it looks like a bear with something in its mouth now that you say so, but it sure looks like an elephant if you think that first! |
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12 Feb 12 - 11:18 AM (#3306950) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp That is Micca with his clothes off. He is wadin' across the Tay at a narrow spot around noon and is carryin' a large fish. It's a wonder he did not get arrested for indecent exposure. - Chongo |
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12 Feb 12 - 12:40 PM (#3306990) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza LOL! Ever been in Dundee in February Chong? Anyone 'wading across the Tay' indecently exposed would immediately be indecently froze! |
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12 Feb 12 - 12:43 PM (#3306992) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza Sorry, meant 'Chongo'. (Perhaps 'Chong' is a new Chinese species of Chimp. Maybe China is giving a pair of 'Chong' chimps to Dundee Zoo for breeding purposes?) |
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12 Feb 12 - 12:43 PM (#3306993) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Pete Jennings If it's Micca, why are you so sure it's a fish?(!). |
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12 Feb 12 - 01:08 PM (#3307005) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Well, it looks like a fish to me, Pete. Eliza, what I am thinkin' is that the video was taken last summertime, and got released to public scrutiny later. It's definitely Micca. My guess is, he stole a big fish from the local fresh seafood store and then he made his stealthy escape by wadin' across a real narrow part of the estuary. He probably figgered that people would take him for some kind of wild animal and he'd get away with it. And you see? They did! His nefarious plan worked like a charm. The fish has no doubt been et by now, so I figger it's all water under the bridge, and can't nothin' be done about it. - Chongo |
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12 Feb 12 - 01:34 PM (#3307019) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: EBarnacle Chongo, it's water under the bear--no volunteering allowed. |
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12 Feb 12 - 07:34 PM (#3307187) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Big Al Whittle A woman turned up at my gig last week and she'd seen the Beast of Bockhampton. |
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12 Feb 12 - 07:38 PM (#3307189) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Big Al Whittle the beast of Bockhampton http://www.thisisdorset.net/news/4860385.Beast_of_Bockhampton___new_big_cat_mystery_in_Dorset/ |
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12 Feb 12 - 07:59 PM (#3307201) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Steve Shaw Mammoth? Tsk. |
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12 Feb 12 - 09:44 PM (#3307230) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: gnu I have seen panthers here in Kent County, New Brunswick, Canada where they apparently do/did not exist according to the governement biologists. Saw Eastern Brush Wolves too... same deal. Saw ptarmigan and the biologists KNOW there are none of them this far south. But they taste good over an imaginary fire. Hey, the wardens can't charge ya if they don't exist, eh? |
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13 Feb 12 - 04:32 PM (#3307931) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: alanabit It is a bear with a salmon trying to get away from the man from John West . |
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14 Feb 12 - 06:39 AM (#3308221) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Big Al Whittle Does anyone remember that story about some prisoners in one of Stalin's siberian gulags, who cam across the the body of a mammoth preserved perfectly for million years until the movement of a glacier uncovered it? The poor prisoners were so hungry that they ate the frozen meat. Might have been in Solzhenitsyn. can't remember. Wouldn't it be nice if there were still mammoths? |
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14 Feb 12 - 06:42 AM (#3308225) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Eliza I think it would be nice to see some photos of the Yeti. |
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14 Feb 12 - 07:39 AM (#3308260) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,Patsy Big Al is that the same person who saw and photographed the Beast of Bodmin I wonder? It would be nice if there were still mammoths hidden away somewhere then perhaps the film producers could finally bring the Ice Age sequels to an end. |
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14 Feb 12 - 01:01 PM (#3308419) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Jim Dixon It didn't take long for the truth to come out: Woolly mammoth video a hoax, original footage shows says CBS News. |
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14 Feb 12 - 01:30 PM (#3308437) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Desert Dancer gnu, range extension is one thing, coming back from the Paleocene is quite another. |
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14 Feb 12 - 01:38 PM (#3308443) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Wesley S "I think it would be nice to see some photos of the Yeti." Actually we DO have some pictures of Spaw around here somewhere..... |
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14 Feb 12 - 02:33 PM (#3308489) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Big Al Whittle well its not conclusive. he only said HE hadn't seen one. It might still be a mammoth. I hope it it is. |
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14 Feb 12 - 02:42 PM (#3308494) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: GUEST,999 I hope the photographer will invest in a few more filters because the fog filter sure makes the details of the creature hard to see. |
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14 Feb 12 - 02:50 PM (#3308500) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: gnu DD... yup. Dunno why I said that but I ain't gonna read back to find out my post was stunned as me arse. As for the hoax link above, don't bother watching it. It's over 4 min of watching a river flowing... no bear. Of course, I skipped forward a few times on accounta I couldn't understand why I had not seen a bear yet. Is there actually a bear in that clip? |
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14 Feb 12 - 11:19 PM (#3308695) Subject: RE: BS: Live Mammoth Filmed in Siberia? From: Big Al Whittle bear-ly recognisable........ |