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22 Jul 12 - 09:52 PM (#3380135) Subject: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Okay, let me be the first man on the planet to admit to being clueless about washing machines... Mine??? A Kenmore... The P-vine knows exactly what it does... Me??? 5 foreign dials with stuff that are Greek... So, guys... You comfy with the washing machine??? I ain't... B~ |
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22 Jul 12 - 09:54 PM (#3380137) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: EBarnacle You ain't never lived as a bachelor and had to do this for yourself. |
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22 Jul 12 - 09:58 PM (#3380140) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Yup, E-barn... Well, not exactly... There have been these lapses where I would go to the laundry-mat and stick quarters in 'um... Been a long time... All I know is that you have the whites and the colors??? Not much more... B~ |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:02 PM (#3380141) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker The controls are kinda like using a modern 21st Century Guitar amp. Amps tend to be black and washing machines white - helps avoid confusion and potential water conducted lethal electric shocks. Though some guitar FX pedals can sound like washing machines. Hope that helps ???? |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:08 PM (#3380143) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: bobad Hey guys - ever wonder what would happen if you threw a brick into a washing machine? Check it out |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:11 PM (#3380145) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Leadfingers I use the 'cowards ' technique - Dont buy ANY clothing that needs anything but 'mixed' wash ! Throw it ALL in together - Not had any strange colur changes or shrinkages yet .! |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:12 PM (#3380146) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Beer That was cruel. ad. |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:13 PM (#3380147) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Reminds me... Stokley Carmichael was in Sears lookin' for a washing machine and the salesman came up and asked, "Can I help you?" and so... ...Stokley says, "Hey, all these washing machines are white, man... What's with that?"... ...and without missing a beat the salesman opened the top to one of them white washing machines and said "Yes, but inside everyone of them is a black agitator"... Never mind... Dumb joke... B~ |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:16 PM (#3380151) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Beer When we got married some 40 years ago I decided to be a liberated husband and did a wash when me wife was at work. I had to wear pink underwear for a long time afterwords. Adrien |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:22 PM (#3380153) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert You still wearing pink undies, beer??? B~ |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:48 PM (#3380158) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu There is not a woman I know that wouldn't freak out if she saw me adding the detergent to an empty tub followed by adding the clothes followed by starting the washer. My ex went off the deep end first time she saw me do it... even when I showed her the directions on the underside of the lid she still was adamant that the washer be started first on accounta that's "the way it's done". Women! |
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22 Jul 12 - 10:54 PM (#3380160) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Ya' got that right, Gn-ze... Women!!! B~ |
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22 Jul 12 - 11:00 PM (#3380161) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia My washing machine has only two dials. For the DH one always stays on 'Delicate' and the other one always stays on 'Full.' He seems to be able to handle it intellectually. Five dials seems like too many to me, Bobert. Life is complicated enough without five dials. I was surprised to learn from friends that their high-tech washer takes 52 minutes to do a load of clothes. (And that's the quick and dirty cycle. It could take 84 minutes if you let it.) I bet our washer does a load in less than 15. You make me feel so lucky. |
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22 Jul 12 - 11:01 PM (#3380162) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Beer No..........long gone Bobert. But to be honest for a moment. I do the wash and all the ironing. the wash is easy and the ironing I like to do which my wife does not. It was my earlier training when i lived with my sister and her navy husband who was rarely home that got me trained. Dishes as well. No problem. ad. |
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22 Jul 12 - 11:08 PM (#3380165) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Leadfingers I spent fourteen years doing 'Hand wash' of my Civilian shirts , socks , Y fronts etc when I was in the R A F - Having a REAL washing machine would have been Luxury ! |
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22 Jul 12 - 11:18 PM (#3380168) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Rapparee My very, very last MOS in the National Guard was 57E40 -- Bath and Laundry Platoon Sergeant (and Platoon Leader -- we were short officers). So for about 18 months I worked with washing machines and dryers. BIG ones, expensive ones, mounted on trailers. I had 40 guys who'd been to laundry school (nope, not me!). Yeah, I know something about washing machines...and dryers, too. One thing I know is that you don't paint the microswitches or the dryer doesn't work and you have to wring out wool blankets by hand after the Adjutant General comes comes snooping around. (There was also a Graves Registration Section attached to the Platoon. THEY spent their two weeks of summer camp in a tent, pretty much left alone, with a lovely area they'd measured and mowed and used as a practice area for golf shots.) |
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23 Jul 12 - 02:34 AM (#3380196) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,marks You put it in dirty and it comes out kinda clean or at least close enough for guys. Just use the dial settings wherever she left then last. If she grumps, you can say you were just following her lead! |
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23 Jul 12 - 02:42 AM (#3380199) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia That's dubious advice, marks. Suppose she left the water on 'minimum' but Bobert put in a full load of clothes. The clothes wouldn't get clean, they be all crinkled, and they'd be saturated with detergent. Washers: dangerous in the hands of the uninitiated. That wouldn't be as bad as overloading the thing, which can lead to the motor burning out and the house filling with smoke. Bobert, why don't you take the profits from selling the hickory to the BBQ and get yourself a washer with one dial on it? |
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23 Jul 12 - 03:12 AM (#3380208) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Jack the Sailor Gnu did you ever wonder about the crusty white residue on the bottom layer of clothes? |
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23 Jul 12 - 04:13 AM (#3380222) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Richard Bridge 1. RTFM. |
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23 Jul 12 - 04:38 AM (#3380228) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Shimrod I just put some sheets into my washing machine. I routinely wash everything at 50 degrees C - and occasionally at 60. Seems to work OK. It's getting the damn stuff dry that's the problem! We're having some fine weather at the moment (after months of rain) and I can hang stuff up outside. I'm sure, though, that if there was a lady in my household she would tell me that I was doing it 'wrong' ... there are some advantages to be a bachelor ... |
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23 Jul 12 - 05:03 AM (#3380236) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Sandra in Sydney story from years ago - a friend reported her husband did the washing - top item was a fancy pink satin bedspread - he poured in bleach. result - a gi-normus white spot (out, damned spot!) in the middle of the now ruined quilt. modern story - 2 weeks ago I bought a bottle of laundry liquid concentrate. The lid was so much smaller than the lid on the precious brand that I used 1.5 lids worth for the first load. Result - soapy smelling washing that needed washing again. sandra (not picking on men) |
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23 Jul 12 - 05:49 AM (#3380249) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu "Gnu did you ever wonder about the crusty white residue on the bottom layer of clothes?" Never happened yet and I've been doing my own laundry for 37 years. Yes, even while I was married. I was a modern married man... I did half of the "woman's work" and all of the man's work. Matter of fact, today is laundry day for Mum's stuff. Good thing I do it in my house. >;-) I should mention, for Bobert's sake, that, as a man: I use about 1/3 of the recommended amount of soap; I never fully load* the washer (see leeneia's comment); when I use bleach I add the load after the washer has agitated for 30 seconds); when I use bleach to do dish rags and real dirty stuff, I put in 4 times the recommended amount and let the load soak overnight; I never, EVER, say, "Oh. That'll come out in the wash... when I spill something on my clothes or bleed on something I attack it immediately with a hand wash until it's clean. * Think about abusing your tractor's tranny. When the front wheels lift, it's time to dynamite the tree stump. I suppose that would work on tough laundry stains too. |
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23 Jul 12 - 06:07 AM (#3380257) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Roger the Skiffler SWMBO has complete confidence in my ability to operate our machine, empty it, tumble or line dry, fold & air and even lets me do my own ironing. In case I die first I'll have to show her where I keep the vacuum cleaner. In public I only use the acoustic washboard. RtS |
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23 Jul 12 - 09:38 AM (#3380344) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Rapparee Bobert, you could always take the stuff out to the creek and wash it there. Really dirty stuff can be cleaned if you rub it on the rocks. |
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23 Jul 12 - 10:21 AM (#3380364) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: John P And people wonder what I'm talking about when I say that women's liberation is finished yet. |
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23 Jul 12 - 10:24 AM (#3380367) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Eliza How pathetic! Men are adults with brains(allegedly). If women can work out how to use them, so can men. My husband can, and he'd never even SEEN a washing machine in Africa. And don't start on about women not managing machinery or car technical stuff, 'cos I do and so does my widowed sister. Smacked bottoms the lot of you! And early to bed!!! |
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23 Jul 12 - 10:51 AM (#3380384) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST Sandra - I use powder - but I have noticed that some of the liquid detergents that had a cap sized to give the correct dose now carry flashes on the label indicating the contents are now super-concentrated - but they haven't changed the cap size accordingly. I am sure it's deliberate - unsuspecting customers end up buyin two or three times as much as they need. Happy washday! Ross |
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23 Jul 12 - 02:10 PM (#3380494) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: frogprince Ah, yes: once upon a time, one of the first times I used the washers in the basement of the student dorm. Up until then, I had a nice powder blue dress shirt, and a pair of dark green slacks. After that, I had a nice light-mint-green dress shirt. |
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23 Jul 12 - 02:20 PM (#3380502) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Thanks for the spankin', Eliza... Kinda needed one... Still ain't into them washing mo-chines, tho... B;~) |
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23 Jul 12 - 02:31 PM (#3380511) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: artbrooks I have no problem at all running the washing machine. All (3) of the dials are clearly marked, and the temp. rarely leaves 'cold'. Herself fixes it when it breaks, however. |
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23 Jul 12 - 03:50 PM (#3380540) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Richard Bridge In general most women are less competent with car technicalities and indeed with fine car control. Some are better than some men, but on the average... Best bet is to evaluate on an individual basis. My late wife once drove Lola-Chevs at Brands Hatch - but I was not keen on her driving although she was even less keen on mine. I know another woman who is pretty good with the mechanical side of old motor-bikes and when she gets her licence back I'm sure I will be happy both to pillion behind her and to let her drive my cherished Volvos. On the other hand, trying to get out of a soggy field at a recent folk ale, there was a strong correlation between gender and ability to get the vehicle out of the mud. |
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23 Jul 12 - 04:47 PM (#3380552) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bill D I can use washing machines... and dryers. And I often do some of my wife's stuff: following HER instructions. The dials & settings have a purpose...various speeds, loead sizes, temperatures, extra rinses...etc. My work jeans need different settings than sheets & pillow cases.. it's not rocket surgery. No matter WHAT the instruction MAY say, I put in some soap (determined by the size & type of load), then as water begins to swirl the soap around so it's not all in one place, I slowly add clothes. I almost always allow a 2nd rinse, as wife is sensitive to chemicals, and we want no itches. Same with dryer... different loads need some varied heat & timing.... my work jeans and heavy towels are not particular. Gee, Bobert...you can tear a motor apart and do 237 complex things with an old building. Washers & dryers are easy! |
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23 Jul 12 - 05:07 PM (#3380557) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie In the olden days of television, they showed the salesman demonstrating the features of a modern washer to the husband. True story. |
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23 Jul 12 - 05:19 PM (#3380562) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Amos I kinda SUS pect that where there is a gap, it is not about the machine, but about what it is for. The instinctive affection between men and laundry is about at the level of that between women and frogs. There are always exceptions--vide those upthread--but I am saying in general it is a thing men learn late in life, if ever. But given them an old washer to take apart, and they're happy as kings and will fix it for you if it is possible to do so. Even with five dials! A |
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23 Jul 12 - 07:10 PM (#3380604) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Rapparee Shucks, I learned to do laundry on an old wringer-washer. Learned to iron about the same time. That's why I buy wrinkle-free clothes.... |
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23 Jul 12 - 07:17 PM (#3380608) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert You ain't never washed no clothes, Rap, so quit with all these stories about how you took yer dirty clothes and washed 'um in mosquito infested cricks and beat 'um on rocks... The only thing you beat on a rock was yer head... That explains why you have all these delusional memories of stuff that never happened... Now fess up and you will be set free... B;~) |
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24 Jul 12 - 12:01 AM (#3380658) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp I love the video where the guy throws the brick into the washing machine. Ook! Ook! Great dance moves by the washer, though I figger it was the "last dance" for that machine. Anyway, what he did there was just what every Chimp longs to do with a washer or a dryer. Another thing we all wanta do is drop a grand piano off the observation deck at the Grand Canyon. Or maybe release one right at the top of the Great Pyramid and watch it head rapidly down the slopin' side hoppin' and bouncin' on its way to the desert below...take bets on how far down it gets before it disintegrates totally. Yessir, good clean fun. - Chongo |
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24 Jul 12 - 01:41 AM (#3380672) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JennieG When both of my sons left high school they were each presented with their own laundry basket and given a lesson in how to use the machine - after that, it was up to them. Older son soon learned not to leave wet washing in the machine until he was good and ready to hang it on the line......a pair of red underpants and a white shirt lying wet against each other for an hour or so was one of Life's Little Lessons. Laundry is a chore shared by Himself and me, whoever gets to the machine first when the dirty clothed basket is full does the washing. Cheers JennieG |
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24 Jul 12 - 07:42 AM (#3380759) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Only slightly off topic - I had a problem with a dryer. The problem was that "she" decided the dryer made a funny noise. We were in Yuma AZ at the time, and the nearest "repair persons" were in Phoenix, about 170 miles away. After the second repair person was unable to find anything wrong with it, she continued her complaints so I announced that I'd found the problem and ordered a part. She was happy, so I didn't tell her that I never got around to installing the part. Twenty years later, I got rid of her, but got to keep the dryer. Ten years after that, after the dryer had been sitting out in the rain in Seattle (on the apartment balcony - the apartment had a built-in washer & dryer), I got an offer from someone willing to buy the #@$!^# dryer, but when I plugged it in to make sure it still worked .... IT NEEDED THE PART. So I installed it. "New she" wasn't impressed that I had the part. She was impressed that I knew exactly where it was. John |
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24 Jul 12 - 09:30 AM (#3380802) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia I'm impressed, too, John. I think women in general tend to know more about their clothes. When I'm sorting clothes, I know what's polyester, what's cotton, what's nylon, what's knit, what's woven. It's a skill that can be learned, just like looking at the plants in the yard and knowing what's a weed and what's a flower. I used to work in a fabric store. I was impressed when I started because the manager could touch fabric and tell if it was 100% cotton or a cotton-poly blend. In time, I learned to do it too. Since these different fibers need different handling, they make doing the laundry seem mysterious. Fortunately, my husband's clothes are almost all cotton, so he doesn't have to worry about it. ========= Shimrod: have you tried drying the sheets by throwing them over a rack and operating a fan? |
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24 Jul 12 - 10:02 AM (#3380812) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Stilly River Sage Casting aspersions about woman and machinery will get some of you into trouble. Just so you know. The problem some of you guys might be encountering is that you didn't read the instructions on the given machine. For years I used my washer the way Gnu described - I turned on the water, put the soap in the bottom as it filled, then added the clothes. I had to set the anticipated level and add the right amount of detergent. A few years ago that washer was dead on it's feet. I called Sears to have a serviceman come fix it. They offered to sell me an annual service plan for $259. That would cover the entire repair, but if the machine wasn't repairable (if the estimate was over $500), the repair guy would pronounce it dead and they would give me a $500 credit toward a new machine. I'm pretty good at the math and I figured the machine was dead, so I'd bought it 8 years earlier. The fact that they would sell such a plan was staggering, so I jumped on it. The machine was pronounced dead and they did offer the $500 credit. Later that week I found a $900 high-end machine on sale and had to pay the $100 difference between the credit and the sales price. That was $359 well spent. This machine is energy star and the instructions are different, so I don't put the soap in the same way. Now I fill the washer with laundry, I add the baking soda (helps the detergent get the clothes cleaner), any dry bleach, and the liquid soap all into a little slot at the top of the machine. I don't tell it what amount of water, it senses the level of the laundry. I do tell it to wash on cold most of the year, our tap water temperature is fine for laundry purposes. I can set this puppy so that it delays running for up to 8 hours so if I set it at bedtime it can run at 4 in the morning when we're not threatened with brown outs during hot weather, etc. It sounds like a rocketship getting ready to launch when it spins, but it spins so dry that if I use the dryer it doesn't take long. I mostly hang it out on the line in the summer. I taught my kids how to use the old washer, and they know how to use the new washer. My daughter does a lot of sewing so got the hang of the washer early - you don't want to create something then destroy it when laundering. My son has been away at college for the last two years, where he probably throws it all in together - his boxers are various colored prints, his socks are black, and he mostly wears jeans and black t-shirts and undershirts. SRS |
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24 Jul 12 - 10:20 AM (#3380827) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Eliza Men seem generally to prefer to smell a bit. They have the male attitude to leaving their odour around. We women however like things fresh and clean. I wash things my husband wouldn't necessarily consider 'dirty'. But he does as much laundry as me, and always does the ironing as he enjoys it. (!) |
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24 Jul 12 - 10:47 AM (#3380837) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: saulgoldie Wait, how'd we get from washing machines to hygiene? Oh, right. Anyway... Bobert, I will be glad to personally come down there and tchow you how it's done, if'n you kin hook me up, if you knowhutamean, and I think you KNOW what I mean! Saul |
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24 Jul 12 - 11:07 AM (#3380846) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: EBarnacle Leaving laundry in the machine for a while is a sure invitation to fungus on the clothes. At the least, a rewash should be called for. As far as the amount of detergent, if you use the recommended amount, you will find some beautiful suds. That is wasted soap. Use between 2/3 and half the specified amount and your clothes will not smell of detergent. |
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24 Jul 12 - 11:48 AM (#3380863) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie JohninKansas, your story lacks a certain- what would you call it - integrity? In truth, your then-wife was obviously correct: There was something wrong with the dryer. Would you agree that her ear was more sensitive than yours to the subtle? Reminds me of when I bought the best little car I ever owned. It was three years old and there was *something* wrong with it even though the shop foreman didn't agree. I took it on a test drive twice then asked the foreman to drive it with me in the car. I told him that when I stepped on the gas, there was a peculiar lag in its response, that you could feel it in your foot. He said, I don't feel anything. This is a great little car. Well, I agreed. And eleven days after I bought it, the whole distribution system went out. They fixed it at no cost to me. |
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24 Jul 12 - 12:58 PM (#3380883) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Thanks for the offer, Saul, but ignorance is bliss and, unless I gotta learn up the washing machine think I'll just remain in bliss-ville... Yo Magz... "Instructions"... Not familiar with that word... What does it mean??? B~ |
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24 Jul 12 - 01:20 PM (#3380898) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: McGrath of Harlow "...let me be the first man on the planet to admit to being clueless about washing machines... " I hardly think so. There might be an assumption that men tend to be into electrical gadgets of various sorts, but washing machines are definitely an exception. |
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24 Jul 12 - 01:20 PM (#3380899) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: ranger1 My dad and my step-dad both knew how to do laundry. My dad taught me about sorting clothes and ironing. He also taught me how to make my bed. When he was done demonstrating, he bounced a quarter on it. I never got that good at bed-making, but my clothing stays the proper colors and sizes when I wash and dry it. I don't let J-boy do my laundry any more. He did them once, and my uniform t-shirts were all an interesting shade of pinkish-grey and my spiffy socks were all doll-sized when he got done. Somewhere, my dad is having a mighty good laugh... |
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24 Jul 12 - 02:55 PM (#3380947) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie Ah, but someone *taught* your dad, Rangerthewee (It was the military, right?). J-Boy's heart is in the right place but he needs to involve his head too. *g* |
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24 Jul 12 - 03:07 PM (#3380952) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: ranger1 Ebbie, yep, National Guard. The quarter gave it away, didn't it? He also taught me how to plow and a lot of mechanical maintenance skills and household fix-it stuff. I was usually his assistant of choice rather than my brother when it came to mechanical stuff. |
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24 Jul 12 - 06:56 PM (#3381043) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Ebbie - In truth, your then-wife was obviously correct: There was something wrong with the dryer. Sorry Ebbie, but YOU ARE WRONG. In fact there was NOTHING WRONG with the dryer. I KNOW WHAT "NOISE" she was hearing, the two repairmen KNEW WHAT "NOISE" SHE WAS HEARING and it was a NORMAL SOUND FOR A PROPERLY FUNCTIONING DRYER. "We," and subsequently "I," used that dryer for slightly more than 30 years after she insisted it was about to disintegrate, with NO PROBLEMS. The part I bought had nothing to do with the "noise" but it ended her complaint. I bought a part that's expected to wear out. Since it seemed necessary that "I" do something, I bought the part most likely to be useful "later." In other words, I did what she really wanted done - showed MY concern and spent some money ($12.45) for her, and she was satisfied with what I did - and never complained about the noise again. And I think I actually sat down and looked up the dates - and "later" arrived after 34 years, after the dryer sat outside in an exposed location for most of the last two years without being used. The part I replaced should have been good for at least another couple of years in regular normal use (I inspected it when I put it out on the balcony); but outdoors in Seattle the "green stuff" ate the rubber, so I did a "premature" replacement before giving it to the people who bought it. I even asked them to let me know if it didn't last at least 5 years for them, and never heard from them (about the dryer - I saw them regularly for a few years). John |
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24 Jul 12 - 07:17 PM (#3381056) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: ranger1 JiK, was it the belt? I'm just curious. |
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24 Jul 12 - 07:33 PM (#3381063) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Well, John... Back when I was an assistant service manager at a Chevy dealership we'd get these people who'd come in just before the end of the warranty who thought they heard noises... I'd drive the cars sometimes with 'um and they'd go "That was it... Did you hear that?"... Of course I didn't but I'd always say, "Yeah, I did... We need to make some adjustments" and... ...send 'um to the waiting room for a half an hour while their car was back in the shop just sitting with it's hood up in a bay that was not manned... Because of the size of the shop the customer really couldn't see if anyone was working on anything... After a half and hour I'd walk in the waiting room and say, "Mr or Mrs ________________... We adjusted a belt and everything is fine now"... They'd leave happy and 9 outta 10 times not return ever again with "strange noises"... I mean, I hate to admit that but that goes on a lot in new car dealerships... B~ |
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25 Jul 12 - 03:09 AM (#3381150) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas ranger 1 - The part I bought was the drum belt. It was cheap, and I'd helped a few friends replace them on older dryers so it was an "expected failure." Later assessment of why mine lasted a lot longer than the ones in the "friends'" dryers was that they weren't using them right, and were making "french fried skivvies" by running everything on "max heat" settings to hurry up the drying. Ours had a "humidistat" sensor that would shut off things when it detected "dryness," and we used the "dry/more dry" setting mostly instead of the "hot/light-my-fire/burn-the-clothes" settings. Dumping a lot of "heat" (enthalpy) into the dryer doesn't raise the drum temperature much if there's water to abosrb the watts and be evaporated, but dumping a lot of watts in after things are mostly dry raisees the drum temp fairly rapidly, and "ages" the belt (and the clothes) to destruction fairly quickly, especially for belts with older compositions. Ours also was bought at around the time when the makers started adding a little silicone in the belt composition, so the original one had a lot better heat resistance than some of the older ones I'd helped replace. The "noise" she was hearing was a "ratchet" that was in the timer. A "clock" pulsed a solenoid that clicked a ratchet drive to step the "timing" along through the cycle, and a cam driven by the ratchet moved switches that told the innards what to do next. I don't think they make them that way much anymore, but I expect to be "in my hundreds" by the time I need to get a new dryer to find out what's "modern" 20-30 years from now. (I'll let you know then, if I find anything new.) John |
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25 Jul 12 - 03:38 AM (#3381152) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie Hmmmmmm. Hours ago, I posted an acceptance of your explanation, JohnK, but it seems not to be here. Don't want you to think I didn't respond. |
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25 Jul 12 - 07:58 AM (#3381230) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: kendall That brick in the washer was one of the funniest things I've seen on the internet. However, it reminded me of a dog I had years ago that was epileptic. |
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25 Jul 12 - 07:59 AM (#3381231) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: ranger1 Kendall and I replaced a drum belt in my neighbor's dryer a few years ago. I learned some interesting words and phrases from the Cap'n that day... |
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25 Jul 12 - 12:59 PM (#3381362) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: kendall I have many more for you as needed. |
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25 Jul 12 - 04:26 PM (#3381444) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas ranger1 - The belt on my dryer wasn't at all difficult to replace, but different machines do present different obstacles. The dryer belt doesn't come close to the alternater belt that I helped a friend replace on one of those rear-engine girlie cars (his daughter's). It took two of us, both relatively skilled mechanics, and about every tool in both our toolboxes, about nine hours. (The service manual said put the engine on a jack and remove the car before starting, but we didn't have an engine jack.) Most of the fancy settings on washing machines are there to keep the detergent makers' advertising departments happy. Except in unusual cases, the majority of the settings - and the advertising - should be ignored. There's very little real difference in most of the "laundry products." If there was any significant advantage for one, they wouldn't need to advertise. They'd just tell you what it does. If you look at the $$$$ spent on advertising, it's pretty obvious that all it's for is "brand recognition." Recent washers have removed the "warm rinse" and "hot rinse" settings, and make all final rinse cycles "cold." Since laundry detergents only "foam" because they think the customers think they should, nearly all of them add some "sudzicators," and they foam up more in hot water. But foamy stuff is harder to rinse out, and warm water helps keep the foaminess up, so cold water gets more of the residuals out of the clothes. Set on cold rinse and leave it alone. There are very few kinds of "dirt" that are removed better with "extra hot" water within the temperature range you're likely to have available if you're using a fairly ordinary detergent, so a "medium" wash temp is fine for almost everything. If you have an older washer, a "heavy duty" wash cycle might agitate more aggressively, but with recent ones the agitation is the same and the machine just continues to same agitation for a few minutes longer. Unless there's a reason to think that you need to use "more of the same," the regular wash setting will work just as well. You do need to sort the things to be washed, and avoid mixing heavy things like blue-jeans, bath towels, and such with "dainties" since things get tangled up in the machine and the sheer weight of the (water soaked) heavy things can rip the things made out of lighter materials, or stretch them to fit Chongo instead of you (or her). Most things sold by major retailers now are unlikely to fade much, or to bleed color into other things, but it's a good practice to separate darker colors from the "whites." It is possible that some things with very dark/dense colors may "bleed" and change the color of lighter stuff in the same wash, but this tendency usually goes away once the dark things have been washed (separately) a few times. You do have to apply individual judgements to some things with respect to fading/bleed. A few things still are a little more "fragile" and need gentler agitation, and to avoid being pulled apart by tangling with other stuff - even stuff of the same kind - may need to be washed in smaller loads (and with more water in the tank to maintain separation between items). There still are some things - mostly stuff that "ladies" wear(?) - that it's safer to wash in cold water. The "additives" that are supposed to "make your detergent work better" are of questionable value, and testing doesn't generally show much benefit. The amount of help they might provide could depend on the specific kind/brand of detergent you use them with, so there's no way to argue with anyone who's found a combination that they think works for them. For heavy soil, pretreatment of the spots by rubbing a little of your regular detergent into the "spots" and letting it soak in for an hour or so may work better than trying to "add something extra to the wash." 1. Separate heavy stuff from lightweight. 2. Separate dark colors from light/white stuff. 3. Normal agitation and Warm wash for nearly everything. 4. Cold wash for the very dainty stuff, and normal agitation for most. 5. Cold wash and delicate agitation for those few things what need it. 6. Cold Rinse for everything. Some machines allow a separate "delicate spin" that you can select for #4/#5 items; but with many, if the wash cycle is "delicate" the spin cycle automatically is too. Some machines allow you to select how much water to use for the wash cycles. More water helps keep things from tangling during agitation, so my recommendation would be to forget about the "small load" setting unless (a) you're one who likes washing each item as soon as you take it off (very small loads), (b) you have very limited water available, (c) water is extremely expensive or (d) you're supporting the community conservation efforts during a sever drought. (Daddy ran a dry-cleaning/laundry shop for some years, and may have married my mom because she knew how to do it all and her six sisters didn't. They passed on a few hints.) John |
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25 Jul 12 - 09:43 PM (#3381555) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu aPPARENTLY, SOME MEN KNOW WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT WASHING MACHINES. I can't be arsed to fix that. |
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26 Jul 12 - 01:34 PM (#3381816) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 Apparently, some men know way too much about washing machines. (There ya go, Gnu.) I wish I'd known that when I washed a new bright red t-shirt with my underwear. I was wearing pink for a while, although the only people who ever saw it were at the fire hall. I managed to keep my aplomb by ignoring questions like "Uh, is there something you're trying to tell us?" and statements like, "That'll really clash with your bunker gear and already does with your lid." Finally, one of the guys showed up wearing Donald Duck pyjamas and the focus shifted. |
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26 Jul 12 - 03:52 PM (#3381873) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia I remember when somebody came out with Cold Power detergent, which supposedly worked in cold water. Then I learned that their definition of 'cold' was 'lukewarm.' Apparently some people have no idea how cold the water can get in regions where it might be 20 degrees below zero outside. |
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26 Jul 12 - 05:01 PM (#3381904) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Gurney I don't mind fixing them, but Her Indoors always tidies away the manual, so if I come to use one, I have to 'nut it out' from principles. Our current machine is a Maytag, a long way from home. Don't buy one if you have low-pressure plumbing. It is fixable though. No electronics. |
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26 Jul 12 - 07:24 PM (#3381975) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Bad 'nuff that the washing machine has 5 dials on it but then there's... ...the rules... Colors, fabrics, heavy, light, bleech, detergent, softeners, etc., etc.... One day yer gonna need a PhD to wash yer clothes... Beam me up, Scotty, dirty jeans an' all... B~ |
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26 Jul 12 - 07:28 PM (#3381978) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Wesley S I do ALL the laundry in our house and I wouldn't have it any other way. |
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27 Jul 12 - 10:23 AM (#3382238) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia Bobert, it seems to me that between the bats, the fallen trees, the pond and all the other things you do, that you can leave the laundry to somebody else without being seen as a shirker. Besides, you have to investigate the 788 dylan songs. |
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27 Jul 12 - 02:03 PM (#3382329) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas It is entirely possible that we've mostly missed the real problem that Bobert (and some of the rest of us) may have. One of the biggest difficulties for men who do the laundry is not whether they've done it right. The problem is whether they've done it the way SHE wants it done, when they have to do it when she's not there to tell them how. About the only hint I can give for that aspect of the problem is that leaning on the dryer until it's done is much less effective for most men than for (some of) the ladies. John |
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27 Jul 12 - 02:58 PM (#3382354) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert John's got it... The P-Vine loves micro-managing and seein' as she considers herself the ultimate Irish washer woman, all I see is conflict... Heck, she grades me on hangin' the clothes on the stenkin' clothes line... Bad as the Mennonites who have hundreds of laundry rules... But, yeah, what leeneia said... I mean, I've been out in 100 degrees a total of 4 hours already today working on wiring up the garden house I've been building for her off-'n-on for the last 3 months... And tomorrow I 'll be back out in that steamy 100 degrees cuttin' on trees... Plus, yeah, 7000 Dylan songs to learn up... B;~( |
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27 Jul 12 - 05:06 PM (#3382395) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Even hanging clothes on the clothes line requires some learned skills. I've even known a couple of guys who forgot to wipe down the line before hanging the stuff. (Birds roost there sometimes.) My mom used to send us kids out to do the wipin' before we got tall enough to handle hangin' even the towels and other short stuff. (One reason wire clothes lines are better than ropes. Easier to clean.) John |
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27 Jul 12 - 07:13 PM (#3382437) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Yo, John... Do you know that socks have to be hung from the toe and with their mates??? B~ |
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27 Jul 12 - 08:28 PM (#3382463) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 "I've even known a couple of guys who forgot to wipe down the line before hanging the stuff." Since when? John, I'm starting to think you're making this stuff up. |
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27 Jul 12 - 08:38 PM (#3382467) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert He ain't, brucie... Back in Virginia we lived in Mennonite country and them people got a gazillion laundry rules... They even have "laundry day" and they all do it on the same day... You drive thru them farms and every line is hung exactly the same in order of the kinds of clothes that are hung on the left or right... They all have these pulleys that run from the house to the barn and they hang the clothes on these long lines... I mean, you could take a 100 pictures of the lines and compare them and they would all look identical... I swear it's that way... B~ |
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27 Jul 12 - 08:42 PM (#3382470) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas If'n ya want names, a couple of them are still alive. They might still be willin' to 'fess up. A couple of them got whuppin's for it that were the kind of things old-timers tell about sometimes when the talk gets 'round to "kid raisin' stuff." - (The "'tain't like it wuz back when" kind.) John |
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28 Jul 12 - 02:50 AM (#3382554) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie "I've even known a couple of guys who forgot to wipe down the line before hanging the stuff. (Birds roost there sometimes.)" Ah. John, a roosting bird is, ipso facto, not physically able to 'hit' the line. We never wiped down cloth lines. Wire lines, yes. Not because of birds but because of the oxidation of metal that comes off onto clothes. |
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28 Jul 12 - 05:16 AM (#3382585) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Eliza My friend's husband once offered to 'help' with 'her' laundry (cheek!) He hung a number of shirts up by one cuff. The crafty devil knew what he was doing - she never accepted offers of 'help' again! |
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28 Jul 12 - 06:09 AM (#3382603) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu Ebbie... not if they sit on the bottom wire, which they don't. I haven't seen a clothesline that didn't incorporate pulleys for about 40 years. As for women having specific ways for chores to be done whether or not these ways affect the final results of the chores, that was the subject of my first post... "that's the way it's done". |
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28 Jul 12 - 06:21 AM (#3382605) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Horses for courses! My wife knows every detail of the washing machine's operation, also the cooker timing controls and the microwave. She is absolutely clueless about the VCR, the DVD player and the television settings. She can turn on the telly and change channels.......THAT'S IT! She has as much interest in learning how to handle these things as I once had in learning about washing machines. Since I retired, I have got to grips with the various kitchen and laundry room devices. She can still turn on the telly and change channels! Don T. |
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28 Jul 12 - 04:51 PM (#3382823) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T P.S. Don't anybody tell her I said that. I can't stand those fourteen day silences. Don T. |
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28 Jul 12 - 08:57 PM (#3382929) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: ChanteyLass Wait a minute! Hang up socks by their toes? I never did it that way. I didn't want to put a clothespin on the part of the sock that wears out first. I hung them from their tops, singly, and used the clothespin on only one side of the sock so that a little more air could get at the fabric. I wanted them to dry quickly so I could bring them in before it rained! |
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28 Jul 12 - 09:36 PM (#3382940) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert I'm with you, C'lass, but I ain't got a merit badge in... ...Irish Washer Woman... The P-Vine says that she and Al Gore invented laundry??? I donno??? Sounds far fetched to me, too... What can I say??? B;~) |
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28 Jul 12 - 10:14 PM (#3382948) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Ebbie "Ebbie... not if they sit on the bottom wire, which they don't." gnu I'm missing a vital ingredient here, guhnu. "Not" what? "Don't" what? FWIW, when I lived at home we never had a pulley line. |
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28 Jul 12 - 10:25 PM (#3382952) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Come on, Eb... You didn't have a pulley line??? Okay... You weren't in the groove... But, hey, that's why I loves ya'... I think gn-ze has one of them inverted umbrella style pole clothes line and, yeah, a bird could set up an do da' doo on a lower line... I mean, it might take some practice and ain't chickadee kinda challenge... Maybe a catbird... Or starling... Yeah they could pull it off... B:~) |
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29 Jul 12 - 11:30 AM (#3383196) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert ***************************STOP THE PRESS*************************** The P-Vine not only permitted me but asked me to hang 7 tee-shirts on the clothes line this morning... *************************DETAILS @ ELEVEN*************************** B;~) |
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29 Jul 12 - 12:05 PM (#3383211) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 Good job, Bobert. |
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29 Jul 12 - 03:01 PM (#3383301) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu Ebbie... we agree they don't hit the wire they are perched on. They don't perch on the bottom wire. I have a pulley line. I prefer the dryer... someone has to pay for the Nuke power plant. |
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29 Jul 12 - 07:23 PM (#3383415) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Pulley lines are necessary when you need to run the line over a place you can't walk on. They're the main method used between tall buildings if the landlords agree to the reciprocal permissions, and might have some use for people who want a garden under the line or have some other obstruction. They've NEVER been common in my area, because the weather (mustly the sun exposure?) rots any kind of flexible ropes so fast it's not worth putting one up except when there's a good reason for it. Here, solid wire is the rule, with either two or (usually) three wires strung between "T-posts" that are commonly made out of worn out well-casing pipe. A few people with very small yards have used "pivot wheel" lines, but they generally only last a couple of years before being abandoned in favor of a gas/electric indoor dryer. Most newer "developments" in the immediate area have zoning or "covenant" rules that prohibit any kind of outdoor clothesline - but that's sort of a different matter. And opinions not withstanding, birds CAN AND DO shit on the same line they're sitting on. (But maybe some places have clumsy birds that can't perform to the same athletic standards as ours.) John |
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29 Jul 12 - 08:49 PM (#3383457) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: gnu "birds CAN AND DO shit on the same line they're sitting on" Maybe our birds are just polite. |
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29 Jul 12 - 09:02 PM (#3383459) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert Listen , ya'll... This ain't about bird shit... I mean, don't egt me wrong here... I appreciate bird shit as much as the next guy but... ...geeze louise... Can we get back to washing machines... BTW, remember the tee-shirts I hung today??? I hung them all wrong and they still got dry... Wearin' one now... Whaddaya'll think about that??? A miracle, I guess... B~ |
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29 Jul 12 - 09:44 PM (#3383467) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Gurney Even birds too polite to shit on clothes-lines are remiss about wiping their feet before landing there. Chantylass, socks wearing out toes first? Nag the man to trim his toenails! Socks should wear out heel first, as God intended! I used to hang most shirts out by folding them over the line, pegs over just two layers of cloth. My logic was that they were less likely to blow off in gusts and the fewer layers trapped, the faster drying. Seems that I was wrong, in some opinions. You do need to wipe the line, though, my way. When I was single and used a laundrette, shirts went from spinner onto coathangers and were carefully folded into a suitcase. Then I hung the coathangers on the clothesline, with a single peg to keep them spaced. Less ironing required at home, and I was waiting for the dryer at the laundrette. |
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30 Jul 12 - 06:35 AM (#3383568) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Continuing the thread drift away from the subject of washing machines purely for the sake of cranking Bobert up a bit ... The reference just above to "pegs over just two layers of cloth" suggests the use of the split-peg push on clothespins. These work well on most things, but on some "stretchy" materials, the pins "bunch" a little bit of cloth when you slide them down onto the stuff on the line. After your T-shirts are dry and you put one on, a serious case of "the bunchies" can make it look like you've got an extra set of two of misplaced nipples in the shirt - at least until the pinch marks "hang out" enough to be less obvious. Surprisingly, this may be more of an embarrassment to some of the male gender (once it's pointed out to them - usually rudely) than to some of the females, but that may be only 'cause some of the girls sort of stretch the wrinkles out (nicely) when they put 'em on. Hanging the delicates with the pins placed on or at a seam, where the material is thick enough to not bunch (much) is one solution, in the rare cases where it's a consideration. An alternative is to use the "spring clothespins" (local custom called them "snapper pins") but that leads to cross-invasion of personal property among the family members, since those clothespins are absolutely essential for holding the splines in the instrument he (usually?) is gluing up, while she (usually?) feels absolutely no guilt about "borrowing" a few from his toolbox when "a few" are needed on the clothesline. Strangely, the one who hangs the clothes needs only a few of the fancy clothespins, but never has any in the pin bag, while the one building "stuff" needs them by the hundred(s). (And it's understood that no instrument builder, or a few other kinds of woodworkers, can possibly ever have enough clamps and will miss every one that disappears.) John |
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30 Jul 12 - 09:01 AM (#3383610) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Bobert BTW, I still have a cloth bag with about a 100 of the old-timely clothes pins in it... I don't use 'um 'cuase I figure they will collectors items some day and I can sell 'um and buy my own island in the Caribbean and won't need clothes... B~ |
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30 Jul 12 - 09:41 AM (#3383633) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 I expect if you don't use clothes you will then require sun screen. Regarding which clothes pins to use: If you want to ensure none of your dainties blow away with the wind, use these. None of that sissy stuff. They work well when you need to bundle about ten garments for the line. For example, I hung these using only five. |
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30 Jul 12 - 11:48 AM (#3383676) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: YorkshireYankee 999, you made me LOL so much that my hubbie had to come see what was causing the giggle fit! |
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30 Jul 12 - 05:32 PM (#3383830) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Gurney 999, I only use those vicegrips to hold the sunlounge roof to the tent at festivals. I have 6 tiny ones that I used for aligning corrugated iron roofing when fitting it. (To houses, before anyone asks.) |
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30 Jul 12 - 06:53 PM (#3383863) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 Thank you, Yorkshire and good thinking Gurney. It is amazing what one can do with clothes pegs/pins. It's the bleach thing that gets me mixed up. I just put everything in the wash at the same time: colours, whites, zebra-striped undies, all the normal stuff. I figure it this way. I have to add bleach to get the whites whiter and the white zebra stripes glistening. However, the colour shirt manufacturers say not to use bleach. Therefore, I estimate the proportion of white to coloured clothing and then delve into my memories of ratio and proportion. And here's what I do. If for example it's 3 1/2 out of 10 whites and 6 1/2 out of 10 coloured clothes, I use 3 1/2 cups of bleach to 6 1/2 cups water, but since the machine fills with water anyway, I just add another 6 1/2 cups of bleach to be sure. I am getting more and more white clothing as the months progress. Some of my t-shirts are falling apart. I think I should mix the bleach with the water first and THEN add the clothes instead of clothes, bleach then water. Always an adventure. |
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30 Jul 12 - 08:16 PM (#3383892) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: Gurney 999, just keep adding bleach to the wash before the water. Everything coloured will eventually be leopard-spotted, including the striped trollys. It makes matching an ensemble so much easier! Seriously, wash whites separately, if you want them to stay white, not grey. Been there, didn't done that, had ashen grey shirts. |
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30 Jul 12 - 09:54 PM (#3383915) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,999 Gurney, you a roofer? |
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31 Jul 12 - 04:13 AM (#3383975) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Eliza Vice-pins? Sounds like some equipment from Fifty Shades of Grey! |
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31 Jul 12 - 04:25 PM (#3384240) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Not very useful for hangin' the laundry, but for hangin' up lightweight stuff in the campground I've made "camp clips" for years by gluing two "snapper" (spring type) clothespins together nose-to-toes. You can clip a row of them onto the awning on one side, and then clip a string of decorative lights or a light weight shade screen using the other clip (the other end of the pair), which is a lot easier when puttin' up the hanging than trying to hold things together to get a single clip on both, and also provides a little "stand off" in case a light bulb gets a little hot. In Kansas, at almost every outing, there will be a time when you need to very quickly get all the trash off the awning to get the awning rolled up before the storm hits, and the "supervisor clips" (two faced - "goes both ways") clips come down with a quick "rip-yank" of whatever's hung on them. Coleman actually sells fancy metal "camp clips" that are "double ended" - for about $1.25 per clip. I figure <$0.12 each (including the glue) for the home made ones is a lot better deal. John |
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01 Aug 12 - 03:25 PM (#3384763) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,Eliza John, you're number 100! Congrats! |
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02 Aug 12 - 09:56 AM (#3385051) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: JohnInKansas Being without a lucky number, I did notice that my post did the number, but tried not to feel bad about cheating someone who cared about the honor. I tried shootin' craps once, but every time I rolled 'em they came up a "13". John |
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02 Aug 12 - 10:57 AM (#3385094) Subject: RE: BS: Men & Washing Machines??? From: GUEST,leeneia A 13? I'm glad you made it out alive. |
