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30 Oct 99 - 09:26 AM (#129793) Subject: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Margaret Watchorn Does anyone know any fishing songs directly connected to Northumberland, UK (the area beteween rivers Tweed and Tyne)? |
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31 Oct 99 - 03:34 AM (#129994) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: DSL Dance for your Daddy my little laddie, dance for your daddy my little man. Thou shalt have a fishie on a little dishy, thou shalt have a fishie when the boats come in. Sorry I cannot remember the name or anymore of the song...
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31 Oct 99 - 07:59 AM (#130013) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: bill\sables Hi Margaret, Apart from The song "Dance to your Daddy" or "When The Boat Comes In" as it is sometimes called in the previous thread from DSL the only other one I can think of is "Cullercoats Fish Lass" but I will have a look through some books for any others. Cheers Bill |
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31 Oct 99 - 08:16 AM (#130014) Subject: Lyr Add: The Harrin's Heed^^ From: bill\sables I just remembered another one "The Harrins Heed" translated it is the Herrings Head Oh what'll wi dee wi the harrins heed Oh what'll wi dee wi the harrind heed We'll mak it inte loaves of breed, Harrins heed loaves of breed and all manner of things Of all the fish that's in the sea The harrin is the one for me How a ye the day, how a ye the day, how a ye the day Me hinny oh It goes on with verses of Harrins guts a pair of beuits Harrins fins needles and pins Harrans tail a boat that sails Harrins eyes puddins and pies Harrins scales a barrel of ale Harrins belly a lass called Nellie Perhapps Gareth or Graham Pirt could add any verses I have forgotten Cheers Bill |
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31 Oct 99 - 08:21 AM (#130015) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: bill\sables You got me thinking again what about Mc Colls "Shoals of herring" It does mention "Canny Shields" which is North Shields on the Tyne although the boat sails from Yarmouth. Cheers Bill |
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31 Oct 99 - 09:10 AM (#130022) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Margaret Watchorn Thanks Bill and DSL - I grew up with the songs you mentioned (apart from Shoals of Herring which I learned later on!) What seems to be missing is any songs about cobles (our local fishing boats) and there are very few connected with river fishing in the region. Any other offers? |
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31 Oct 99 - 11:57 AM (#130051) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Mbo I heard this song on the radio called "The Fisher's Farewell to the (?)Cockett" from Northumberland, performed by singer/guitarist Tom McConville & Northumbrian piper Pauline Cato. Has anyone ever heard of this song? And WHAT exactly is a cockett? --Mbo |
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31 Oct 99 - 01:00 PM (#130073) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Chris Nixon A "Cockett" is in fact the Coquet - a river that flows down Coquetdale via Rothbury to the North Sea at Amble. Offshore lies Coquet Island. Large inshore fishing grounds just North of Newcastle... |
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31 Oct 99 - 03:01 PM (#130102) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: "The Old Fisher's farewell to the Coquet" dates from the 1880s at least; I have heard Hannah Hutton sing it some years ago, but don't have the text/melody for it. Needless to say, if anyone can help..... |
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31 Oct 99 - 05:20 PM (#130144) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Mbo Thanks for enlightening me upon the subject! I knew my Mudcat buds would come through! Thanks again, --Mbo |
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31 Oct 99 - 05:37 PM (#130148) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Graham Pirt I've recorded "Old Fisher's farewell to the Coquet" with Cockersdale on "Wide Open Skies (Fellside FECD123) (Hannah got the song from me. If you'd like the tune and words email me (gpirt@aol.com) and I'll get it to you. Robert Roxby and Thomas Doubleday who wrote the song composed many others about trout and salmon fishing in Northumberland. |
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31 Oct 99 - 05:49 PM (#130152) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Graham Pirt While I'm thinking - there's "the Bonny Fisher Lad" |
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31 Oct 99 - 06:00 PM (#130155) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Ed Pellow Graham, I thought of submitting the 'Fisher Boy' to this thread having found in in a Northumbrian song book - wasn't sure about the locations of 'Bamboroughshire' or 'Boumer Raw' though. Can anyone give me locations? Ed |
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01 Nov 99 - 02:32 AM (#130316) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Margaret Watchorn Bamboroughshire is just up the coast from me - Bamburgh (as it's now spelled) was a palace of the ancient kings of Northumbria. Boulmer is a tiny fishing village just a few miles down the coast. I'll have to check with my coble-fisherman friend as to where the Raw is. Am I right in thinking the song's in the Northumbrian Minstrelsy? |
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01 Nov 99 - 02:52 AM (#130319) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Graham Pirt Yes it's in the Northumbrian Minstrelsy published in 1882 |
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01 Nov 99 - 11:55 AM (#130443) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: bill\sables Margaret are you from around Newton by the Sea then Cheers Bill |
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01 Nov 99 - 12:22 PM (#130454) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Bill I'm from the next village down - Embleton (not quite by the sea but only a walk away!) Do you know the place? There aren't any songs for it, but some good smallpipes/dance tunes like Dunstanburgh Castle. Margaret
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01 Nov 99 - 03:06 PM (#130525) Subject: Lyr Add: Dance Ti' Thy Daddy^^^ From: Sapper_RE Slight correction to DSL, the words are; Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie laddie, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie lad, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie laddie, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie lad, Ye shaal hev a fishie on a little dishie, Ye shaal hev a fishie when the boat cums hyem, Ye shaal hev a fishie on a little dishie, Ye shaal hev a fishie when the boat cums hyem, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie laddie, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie lad, Dance to ye' daddy ma bonnie laddie, Dance to ye' daddy, to ye' mammie sing. Another verse goes: Ye shall hev a coatie and a pair of breekies, Ye shall hev a coatie when the boat cums hyem. There are other verses. Bob |
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01 Nov 99 - 07:41 PM (#130652) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: bill\sables Margaret, About 20 years ago my family used to go to Newton and Craster every year for the summer. I used to keep my catermaran in Newton Bay. We used to camp at either Newton Hall or Proctor Steads, Perhaps you know John Cairns and Heather who lived in the square at Newton Cheers Bill |
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02 Nov 99 - 04:22 AM (#130787) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Graham Pirt Sapper The notion that there are 'correct' words for @Dance ti thee Daddy' is not really that appropriate. The notated variants have considerable changes reflecting the position that the song hold in the hearts of the people of the north-east. The version that I have been singing for over forty years is different from the one that you give, different from those in both the minstrelsy and Stokoe and reflect the fact that I learnt it from my grandfather. (And my words are probably different now from those he sang!) It's a great thing is the oral tradition! |
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02 Nov 99 - 07:15 AM (#130806) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Margaret Watchorn My father reminds me that his father's version of Dance to thee daddy contained the verse 'I like a drop of stout I'll drink the Bank Top dry And you ma bonny lad Will like it just as I.' The Bank Top was a working men's club in Newbiggin, and I suspect these are bowdlerised words to suit his taste! As to Bill's question, yes I certainly know Heather and John Cairns (Heather is now our district councillor!) Did you konw there are occasional live music sessions in the Ship in the Square? Usually more playing than singing, with smallpipes, fiddle, banjo, mandolin, moothie and melodeon. Next one is this Friday November 5th, just beofre the annual Northumbrian Gathering for traditional music in Alnwick. |
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02 Nov 99 - 07:19 AM (#130807) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Margaret Watchorn Whoops! Didn't mean to send the last bit twice - must have got too carried away! |
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02 Nov 99 - 07:31 PM (#131075) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Graham Pirt Don't worry Margaret - it was worth reading twice! |
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09 Apr 00 - 08:57 AM (#209193) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: GUEST,Dominic Cronin "And WHAT exactly is a cockett?" It's a river in Northumberland - the Coquet |
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10 Apr 00 - 05:56 AM (#209506) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Thread Summary- Tunes mentioned but not in DT yet.... Can we find the lyrics? Cullercoats Fish Lass the Bonny Fisher Lad" The Old Fisher's farewell to the Coquet complete lyrics for The Harrins Heed References anyone? I will check the threads...as well... Conrad |
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10 Apr 00 - 06:10 AM (#209510) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Just czeched discussion search for the above - none turned up.... Conrad |
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10 Apr 00 - 06:39 AM (#209514) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Billy the Bus Margaret, "Newbiggin" and ale - decidedly off-topic, from Northumbrian fishin' songs, BUT... For 5 years "Fox" ran the "Roaring 40s Brewery" here on StewartIs (NZ) - we got the "Maltexo" in buckets from "Newbiggin Brewery" in Auckland - NZ. Waht can you tell me about the "real" Newbiggin - since it's off-topic - send it to my e-mail Would like to chat about cobles too..;) Cheers - Sam |
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10 Apr 00 - 06:41 AM (#209515) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) Here is a reference to the Herrings Head- Herring's Head 1.Tawney, Cyril. Cyril Tawney Sings Children's Songs from Devon and Cornwall, Argo ZBF 4, LP (196?), cut#A.05 anyone got it? Conrad |
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10 Apr 00 - 06:52 AM (#209517) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) searched via google....nothing more... Conrad |
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10 Jun 00 - 07:47 AM (#240746) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Nicole Leonard I have just joined Mudcat after spending days searching the web for the lyrics to Fisher Boy and ending up here. The song is on a CD by Eliza Carthy and the Kings of Calicutt but no lyrics printed on the album cover. A friend from the north-east of England (I am in New Zealand) brought in his map book and managed to figure out Bamboroughshire, but not Boumer Raw, although I did spot Boulmer on the map. So I would like to say thanks to Ed Pellow and Margaret Watchorn. I was going to post a lyric request. Could this song be added to the lyric database? |
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10 Jun 00 - 07:58 AM (#240749) Subject: Lyr Add: Fisher Boy^^ From: Ed Pellow FISHER BOY O, the bonny fisher boy On Bamboroughshire's rocky shore O, the bonny fisher boy My mother sent me out one day A sailor I will never marry O, the bonny fisher boy On Bamboroughshire's rocky shore |
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11 Jun 00 - 02:11 AM (#241005) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Nicole Leonard Thanks Ed. Will this song now go into the database? I take it the song is traditional and not copyrighted? Can anyone tell me what a Raw is?? My English friend reckoned the coastline is all sand and not a rocky shore at all. Aside from all these issues, I think it is a very beautiful song, the melody is strange and haunting. |
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11 Jun 00 - 05:13 PM (#241171) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Dave (the ancient mariner) The Famous Bamborough Lifeboat is a tale worth reading; and just as a point of interest DSL are my initials and was what I used before I adopted this "Handle" Yours, Aye. Dave (who remembers singing the words posted above some time ago) |
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12 Jun 00 - 08:49 AM (#241380) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: A Wandering Minstrel I suspect that Boumer Raw is a dialect rendering of Boulmer Row. (probably the main or only street of the village) I know I have the words of the Fishermans Farewell and I'll try and remember to post them when I can.
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12 Jun 00 - 12:03 PM (#241486) Subject: Lyr Add: The Auld Fisher's Last Wish^^ From: Conrad Bladey (Peasant- Inactive) I wonder if this is the Fisherman's Farewell but with different name? at least is sounds the same topic...
The Auld Fisher's Last Wish The morn is grey, and green the brae, the wind is freae the wast; My Sun is set; my eyne are wet; cauld poortith now is mine, Oh! were my limbs as ance they were, to jink across the green; Or had I but the Cushat's wing, where'er I list to flee, -Thomas Doubleday, From Fisher's Garland, 1841,In: Allan's Illustrated Edition of Tyneside Songs and Readings...., |
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13 Jun 00 - 07:33 AM (#241898) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Wolfgang re: Fisher Boy, above Thanks for the lyrics, Ed, but see also the quite close: Wolfgang |
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13 Jun 00 - 07:35 AM (#241900) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Wolfgang I made a mess of my link, but it still seems to work. It leads you to the thread: Lyr add: The Fisher Laddie. Wolfgang |
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15 Jun 00 - 11:27 AM (#242854) Subject: Lyr Add: The Fisherman's Farewell to the Coquet^^ From: A Wandering Minstrel Sorry for the delay, It was in the attic.... The Fishermans Farewell to the Coquet Come bring to me my limber gad I fished with many a year And let me hae my well worn creel an a' my fishin gear The sunbeams glint on Linden Ha The breeze blows frae the west And lovely looks the golden morn on the stream that I love best Ive thrawn the flee thae sixty year, aye sixty year and mair and many a speckled trout i had with heckle hauk and hair and now I m old and feeble grown my locks are like the snow But i'd gang again to coquetside to take anither throw Oh Coquet in my youthful days thy river sweetly ran And sweetly in the wooded braes the bonny birdies sang But streams may run and birds may sing sma' joy they bring to me The blithesome strains I dimly hear, the streams i dimly see But once agin the well-kenned sounds my minutes shall beguile And glistening in the early sun I see thy waters smile And sorrow shall forget his sigh and age forget his pain And once more down by coquetside my heart be young again Once mair Ill touch with gleesome foot the waters clear and cold And I will cheat the gleg-eyed trout and while him frae his hold Once mair at Weldons friendly door Ill wind my tackle up And drink success to coquetside, though a tear fa in the cup So now farewell to Coquetside Aye gaily may thou run And lead the waters sparkling on and dash frae linn to linn Blithe be the music of thy streamand banks in after days And so be every fishers heart That treads upon thy braes Robert Roxby 1825 |
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15 Jun 00 - 11:31 AM (#242856) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Furling the Main Royal window blinds at Paddy West's were ye Minstrel? Yours, Aye. Dave |
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16 Jun 00 - 09:18 AM (#243331) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: A Wandering Minstrel I've sailed in 'em. I don't live on one. ;-) When not "rolling down the river", I like to recall my Northumbrian heritage... I have quite a good selection of mining songs and the complete works of Jo Wilson too! |
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30 May 10 - 05:19 PM (#2917367) Subject: RE: NORTHUMBRIAN FISHING SONGS From: *#1 PEASANT* Fisher Boy above is Oh the Bonny Fisher Lad p. 23 in Singin Hinnies book 2, rossleigh music, Derek Hobbs |