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06 Dec 12 - 07:53 AM (#3447964) Subject: BS: Fiscal Cliff & the GOP From: sciencegeek Given the results of last month's elections and poll results that show that the GOP is backing the wrong horse.... why aren't more of them working on getting down to business? You know... taking care of the country, not their party. Could it be the fear of 2014 elections and PAC $$$ targeted at unseating moderate Republican viewpoints? The Citizens United ruling may have wasted a lot of GOP PAC money overall, but it still can create a House of Representatives that continues to block overall action by Congress. Is going over the cliff the only way out for these guys? |
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06 Dec 12 - 09:02 AM (#3447986) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,999 The Republicans--far as I can see--have lost their credibility. Certainly the Tea Party 'wing' of the Republican Party has. I think moderate Republicans will hold out for a few more weeks and then vote with Democrats and Independents. Moderate Republicans are not a blight on America. I think they are smart people with views that differ from mine. The Tea Party people are still in shock, along with the Kochs, that enough voters couldn't be bought to tip the election their way. The more they obstruct the more will there be voter resentment, and they will face devastating losses in two years. When they wake up to that fact, your country might begin a trip back to something resembling sanity. The Palins, Bachmanns, Coulters, Romneys, Ryuns and Kochs have no more place in your system. They are beginning to see that. I sure hope so, anyway. |
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06 Dec 12 - 09:20 AM (#3447995) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: number 6 This issue is not just an Amerikan issue ... In case you haven't noticed ... all the countries of Western World are about to fall off the Fiscal Cliff, in fact some are falling already ... our economic system has failed, exhausted itself ... it just doesn't work in the Brave New World of the 21st century. As to politiks and falling off the cliff ... this just reflects the confusion of society as a whole ... struggling to find/apply a 19th century solution for a 21st century issue. In some ways I hope we fall off the Fiscal Cliff soon ... as this will wake us up and kick start us into working on a new 'way of life'. biLL ... hey, can anyone spare me a loonie? |
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06 Dec 12 - 09:56 AM (#3448019) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,999 May I send you Marois? |
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06 Dec 12 - 10:22 AM (#3448027) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: number 6 999 ... sure, can't be any worse than Alward and his flock of clowns. biLL |
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06 Dec 12 - 10:42 AM (#3448031) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,999 biLL, that sure is tempting. Tell ya what, I'll throw in The Hair for free! |
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06 Dec 12 - 10:49 AM (#3448034) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq The Republicans have a very moderate majority in the House and a very week leader in Boehner. The Democrats have the Presidency, the Senate abd the News Media. Essentially, they can do nothing but watch the Democats posture and wait for the News Media to beat them up. |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:00 AM (#3448037) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Bill D The Republicans have a real problem.... their constituents are 60-40 in favor of making a deal for raising taxes on the rich, but those who give them the biggest donations for re-election are not. The real intransigent conservatives have some hard-to-explain slogan that says "we don't want government telling us what to do or taking our money"... no matter what the practical results may be! Boehner is trying to 'arrange' things so he CAN make a deal without being voted out of being speaker... and maybe out of office. It ain't easy. |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:00 AM (#3448039) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: number 6 sounds like a deal 999 ... I'm not sure what the Hair can do down here in N.B. as jobs are pretty scarce these days ... but I'm sure we can find him work down in Black's Harbour at the Brunswick Sardine canning plant on the line ... of course he'll have to be paid by piece work ... I'm sure he can meet the minimum quota on how many cans he can pack. Probably would be the first honest day's work the Hair has ever done. biLL |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:08 AM (#3448046) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. Ah, jeez, PeeDee - the poor, pitiful put-upon Republicans. Ain't it a shame. By the way, they richly DESERVE getting beat up - they've been throwing a protracted temper tantrum tw0-year-old style since 2008. |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:16 AM (#3448057) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq The Democrats don't even have a plan, much less a written proposal that they will stick to. This summer, Obama said that the people making over a million dollars should pay a little more, out of "fairness". Republican agreed, in principle. The last conversation with Boehner was for a $1.6 trillion (!!!) dollar tax increase which would have to extend down to less the the $170K per year for a married couple. Again, nothing is in writing and his spokesmouth Carney Barker is rallying the News Media by baiting the Republicans. Actor Ed Asshole is even getting in the Show by doing a really nasty commerial where the Republicans are tinkling on the working class. Democrats should ask themselves how they got such hateful and dishonest people as their spokesmen. |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:21 AM (#3448063) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Henry Krinkle They all suck. Every last one. =(:-( °) |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:41 AM (#3448080) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,999 There are a few very hard and cold facts. 1) The US is close to Chapter 11, and people with more money will have to pay more. That includes those unfortunate billionaires and millionaires who have to struggle to make ends meet. 2) The Republicans did not have a plan, either. 3) The ground being trod is new in US history. 4) Either turn the back-stabbing tap off or sign on to the suicide pact. There is no third option. |
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06 Dec 12 - 11:53 AM (#3448087) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Bobert If this was poker, Obama would be playing a straight flush and the the Repubs a pair of threes and the weirdest thing about it??? Each knows exactly what the other has and so does everyone else... The TeaPubs are not in Washington to govern... They are there to destroy as much as they can... Johnny Bonehead has enough none TeaPubs join the Dems to out-vote the TeaPubs and that is what will inevitably occur here... When is the only question... B~ |
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06 Dec 12 - 12:02 PM (#3448094) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq Once again, the Democrats have the Senate, the Presidency and the News Media. The Republicans have only the House and some very ineffective leaders. Obama has proposed no solution. He waits for the Repulblicans to say something and then has his troopers (or himself) call them names. The News Media repeat whatever the daily DNC talking points say. The 2012 election went 48% Republican and 51% Democrat, but the 48% have no power at all. They don't even have an effective spokesman. I suggest they go home and enjoy a nice Christmas with their families. |
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06 Dec 12 - 12:04 PM (#3448095) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Jack the Sailor The "fiscal cliff" is just a phrase used by Bernanke to get the GOP rank and file to admit that Economics in not just a number of pronouncements from the "conservative" think tanks and that austerity can lead to recession. It has done its job. President Obama will continue the PR campaign until Dec 31 when the tax breaks expire. After which the starting point for negotiations get a whole lot more favorable for him. His proposals during the election were pretty modest. I think he will see them all come to pass, more revenue, more money for infrastructure, a few more billion for education. Will it be enough to address our debt problem? Only with robust economic growth worldwide, Only Europe can address that. Until then we have to keep the dollar down and the interest rates down. Hence the gloomy talk and things like quantitative easing. |
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06 Dec 12 - 12:20 PM (#3448106) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,sciencegeek "Obama has proposed no solution." So the Democrats have to provide a way out for the Republicans??? Everytime the President has offered solutions over the past 4 years, he's been kicked in the face - by the Republicans - and he wasn't in the position he's in now to force their hand. It's called accountability. The party that bragged that their sole agenda was to keep Obama from being re-elected and then did everything they could to bring Congress to a halt. Because anything that was accomplished might look good for Obama... well, they made their bed of nails - now lay in it. The President has laid out his proposal, the nation supports his position... his job now is to get the best deal for the American people. Not cover the Republican asses... it's time to lance the boil. Is going over the "cliff" the ideal solution... but it's up to the Republicans to man up and do the jobs they were put into office to do. |
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06 Dec 12 - 12:20 PM (#3448107) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. Was a Democrat mean to you when you were 6 years old or something, PeeDee? Or was your Dad a democrat & you had the usual issues with him growing up? Where does this irrational nonsense or yours originate from? |
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06 Dec 12 - 12:53 PM (#3448128) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Little Hawk It's simply the same old story it's always been in the USA. Most people there are born into a family that has always been loyal to either the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. While they are still children they have implanted in them a basic set of unquestioned and oft-repeated assumptions about their party being "the good one" and the other party being "the bad one", and they interpret reality through that set of assumptions for the rest of their lives. The average Republican thinks of Democrats as people who are soft on standing up to America's enemies abroad, who don't support the police and military, who waste a lot of government money and promote "Big Government" at the expense of the private sector, who "tax and spend", who have (gasp!) "socialist" tendencies, who don't support traditional family values, etc, etc. It's a long story, and it's all "bad" in the minds of people brought up as Republicans. (Rural and small town America tends to vote Republican...urban America tends to vote Democratic) It's really the country folk versus the urban folk...a very old dispute. (And it's like that in Canada too. Our Conservative Party normally wins most of the rural and small town ridings, while our Liberals and socialists win in the big city ridings.) People brought up as Democrats are told a similar long story about how awful the Republicans are...and I think you're familiar with that story, because it's told every day on Mudcat by most of the membership. No need for me to repeat it. Some of it is true, some of it's exaggerated, but it certainly doesn't accurately describe everyone who is a Republican. They both stereotype the other in a pretty extreme way, and they both believe the stereotype...despite many exceptions to that stereotype. Now, I always much preferred the Democrats. No doubt about that. I'm basically a democratic socialist, so why wouldn't I prefer them? But here's the thing. Both those parties are deeply corrupt. They both keep getting the USA into foreign wars. They both support corruption at home and abroad. They both violate the Constitution in various ways whenever they decide they want to. They both gerrymander voting districts so they can win the next election. They both lie and cheat and carry on irresponsible financial policies. They are both in cahoots with the major banks and corporations and the military-industrial complex. They disagree on a few petty social splinter issues that don't matter much anyway in the Big Picture, but which serve to stir up a hell of a lot of media controversy...which is very good for getting the vote out, and demonizing the opposing party. I still like the Democrats better of the two parties. But that's like saying I like Lucky Luciano better than Al Capone. They're still both crooks. pdq is simply someone who happens to be a Republican sympathizer. That makes him a rarity on this forum...there are few such here (and I'm certainly not one of them). But it doesn't mean he has horns growing out of his head and drinks human blood, and it doesn't mean he's crazy. He just grew up in the half of the population that thinks the Republicans are "the good party", I expect. Neither one of those parties is really the good party. But there appears to be no one else to vote for in the USA, practically speaking, no one else who can possibly be elected, so what can the American voter really do? They've got a Catch-22 on their hands. |
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06 Dec 12 - 01:13 PM (#3448143) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq Thanks, Birdfeathers, but with all due respect, your magnum opus is all generalities and has no facts. We need to know what spending cuts and how much tax hiking is proposed. Calling Republicans nasty names and blaming them for all the World's ills may make Mudcatters feel good, but it solves no problems. Right now, Republicans have no power. "Dirty Harry" Reid has been saying for years that anything with "Republican fingerprints on it" is "dead on arrival" in his Senate. He does not even let Republican proposals reach the floor of the Senate for disscussion. Our country is being run like Chicago or New York by as if by Organized Crime, so mentioning Al Capone and "Lucky" Luciano is quite appropriate. |
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06 Dec 12 - 01:28 PM (#3448151) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. The Republicans have a very moderate majority in the House.... Moderate? Now that really is amusing. Eisenhower was a moderate Repub, and the species has been extinct pretty much since Nelson Rockefeller died. |
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06 Dec 12 - 02:58 PM (#3448198) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Jack the Sailor "Right now, Republicans have no power. " Could that be because "conservatives" and The Tea Party have been eating the GOP from within? I think we will have to wait for the "real conservatives to emerge. |
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06 Dec 12 - 03:14 PM (#3448204) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Little Hawk Yes, pdq, I was speaking in very general sociological terms about why people in the USA might choose to support one major party or the other, not discussing specific facts pertaining to the Fiscal Cliff situation. People choose on the basis of their traditional loyalties...very much in the same manner, for example, that they would choose which religion to follow out of a number of possible alternatives. A traditional party loyalty IS a form of religion, as far as I'm concerned (though it's not a religion built around the concept of "God"). I agree that your country is being run as if by organized crime. That's no exaggeration. I think it's been happening that way for a long time, at least since the beginning of the Reagan era, during the Bush I presidency, during the Clinton presidency, certainly during the 8 years of Bush, and certainly at present also. Which crime family gets to call the shots changes, of course. It was the Republican crime family for the 8 years of Bush, now it's the Democratic crime family for the 8 years of Obama. This will naturally cause much anguish to whichever crime family is temporarily out of power at any given time. It's that way with mobsters too. |
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07 Dec 12 - 09:14 AM (#3448565) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,sciencegeek it has been pointed out repeatedly throughout history that power has a corrupting influence... and having a docile following that votes blindly is one way that politicians start to believe in their "entitlement". This is not a new thing... it has been going on since the our government achieved stability following the Revolution ... but has anyone ween the Whig party on a ballot lately? My parents were Republicans for decades and my brother went the same way... I always declared myself a GDI (god damned independent)... but tended to favor a more progressive outlook - you know supporting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone, not just the favored few. My feeling about our government is that it works better than many others because the system of checks and balances are really designed to prevent human nature from sowing the seeds of its own destruction. Man's inhumanity to man is not a fable... we see it every day on the news. Our democratic system arose during the period known as the Age of Enlightenment... and our founding fathers were the intellectuals of their day. Still riddled with human flaws, but able to use reason to try and create a better system for themselves and their descendents. The major goal of the present administration should be to prevent radicals and the greedy from dismantling the checks and balances that keep the system chugging along. The party that was founded by abolishionists and had one the more progressive presidents in Teddy Roosevelt has been coopted by the former Dixiecrats turned Conservatives (bringing with them their long history of disenfranchisement)and some of the most radical nut jobs I've seen in some time... though I do admit to missing out on Hitler & Mussolini. There have been mass "migration" of US citizens from one part of the country to another in the past - folks in search of a better life. If the so called Red states continue on their path... don't be surprised if other states take advantage and lure folks to them... and the elected representation with them. Even now the current Republicans in office are looking into a reality that isn't in their favor... and looking to try and fix things... (in time??? who knows.) The most encouraging thing I've seen is the long lines of people who made sure they got to vote... this in a country that has low voter turnout for some time now... well you get scared enough, you take action. |
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07 Dec 12 - 09:38 AM (#3448579) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Bobert Let's get real here... The Repubs can block anything they want to in both the House and Senate... They also own the Supreme Court... Where exactly is all of this Democratic power and might??? The only reason that the Repubs are going to go back on their Grover Norquist pledge is because they want to keep the power they have... If they "stand in the door way and bloke up the halls" this time then they know they will loose their majority in the House in 2014 and may very well give the Dems the "super majority" of 60 in the Senate that is required to over-ride their filibusters... B~ |
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07 Dec 12 - 12:45 PM (#3448713) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,sciencegeek Right now, the major "source" of Democratic power and might is the fact that way more than 50% of the American public - and that includes a number of the 2 percenters- feel the need to restore equity into the system. The tax code has been worked over any number of times to ensure that the rich not only stay rich, but they get to get richer.... Well, there's only so much "wealth" to go around, so their gain is OUR LOSS! Many of the working poor are ready to go over the cliff - because a "bad deal" means that they get stuck with the bill... while the fat cats get fatter. It's when people start to feel that there's nothing left to lose that things can get out of hand and well, look out... because good judgement may go over the cliff first. |
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07 Dec 12 - 01:17 PM (#3448741) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. So how about McConnell's latest clown act filibustering his own bill?? Are these teapublican morons complete assholes, or what? |
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07 Dec 12 - 02:17 PM (#3448816) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ebbie Now, for a little humo(u)r: "The most encouraging thing I've seen is the long lines of people who made sure they got to vote... this in a country that has low voter turnout for some time now... well you get scared enough, you take action." Sciencegeek At music the other night I suggested that those "long lines" of people who persisted for hours just to get in their votes should have been provided purple ink they could dip their finger in and hold high, ala Afghanistan. A very ladylike (not me!) musician added that they should have dipped their middle finger. |
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07 Dec 12 - 02:58 PM (#3448839) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Jack the Sailor OOOOHHHH!!! |
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07 Dec 12 - 03:00 PM (#3448842) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity WRONG!! This is nothing more than theater...they outcome of what 'they' want done is already a done deal! GfS P.S. Ebbie, you posted "A very ladylike (not me!) musician added that they should have dipped their middle finger." Are you saying that you are not 'lady like', or not a musician? No insult or demeaning slur intended. |
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07 Dec 12 - 03:38 PM (#3448858) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST Read the sentence again and notice the position of the parenthetical phrase. Ebbie's meaning is perfectly clear. Therefore, an insult is exactly what was intended. Jerk. |
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07 Dec 12 - 03:43 PM (#3448862) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Jack the Sailor It is not unladylike to share a private joke. The outward appearance of manners is required only for those you might offend. And if you are offended because she may have offended the secretary of state in a US State that was making it difficult for people to vote, get over yourself you prig! |
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07 Dec 12 - 05:31 PM (#3448937) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Bobert Talk of rate increase to only 37% rather than the 39.6%... I hope that Obama doesn't give on the 39.6% or if he does it will at least be 39%... 37% would be a joke... B~ |
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08 Dec 12 - 12:07 AM (#3449069) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Songwronger There's no fiscal cliff. Each year it's some new financial boogaboo to shake more money out of the pockets of the taxpayers. But Obama and the Fed just adopted Quantitative Easing 3 (to infinity), so how can there be a money problem? With QE Infinity, the money presses will now run forever, paying all debt with dollars until the dollar becomes worthless. The fiscal cliff is bullshit. Just another opportunity for grandstanding between the two wings of the same party. It's a pity some of you folks have such a ravenous appetite for bullshit. |
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08 Dec 12 - 01:59 AM (#3449084) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey, 'Guest Jerk', No insult was intended. if I understood her before, I think she said she wasn't a musician..therefore it was a legitimate question....in 'humor'...as she pointed out on the front end of her post. Lighten up, before you blow an artery! GfS |
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08 Dec 12 - 03:59 PM (#3449397) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Stringsinger The "fiscal cliff" is a sham. It's a trick used by the GOP to cut programs that are not entitlements but actual paid-by-the-taxpayer insurance premiums that are rights by citizens. The lie is that Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are not affordable. If Obama falls for it, there will be suffering on the part of the public. |
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08 Dec 12 - 04:41 PM (#3449446) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ebbie JtS was right, of course- I placed the parenthesis where I meant it to be. GfS, I play instruments, I sing, I write songs, I go to music jams, I consider music one of the food groups... so, I would say that I am musical, but not a musician in the sense of my heroes. |
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08 Dec 12 - 10:59 PM (#3449578) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity You know Ebbie, I'll have to say, that us men-folk, can taste the love that food is prepared with....it's music to the soul! BTW, I thought you said in another post, quite a while ago, that you said you didn't play an instrument, or were a musician..I thought then, if I remember correctly, that you were instrumental in putting on, or contributing to the putting on of some musical events...in any event, HATS off to you! ..and thanks to you...I got ste right on the spelling of 'root' insted of 'route'. Regards! GfS |
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09 Dec 12 - 10:39 AM (#3449751) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq A couple of points. Raising the top Federal income tax rate on the top 2% from 37% to 39% will not fix a deficit of 1 trillion dollars (or more) per year. It may pay for one day of the 365 days a years that our government spends money, that's only if those folks decide to pay it. Will someone kindly show some evidence that Obama is seriously interested in reducing the anual deficit? Election campaign speeches don't count for much. Just words that buy votes. |
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09 Dec 12 - 11:50 AM (#3449776) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. Well, PeeDee, why don'y you show us conclusive evidence that the Prez ISN'T interested? So, raising the tax rate is a bad idea in your book because it won't correct the myriad mistakes and screw-ups of the supply-siders over the last 30 years all by itself? You need a single magic bullet? Keep dreaming (or hallucinating) |
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09 Dec 12 - 12:00 PM (#3449781) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Jack the Sailor Will someone kindly show some evidence that Obama is seriously interested in reducing the anual deficit? It was more than 1.3 trillion when he took office. It is about 1 Trillion now. |
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10 Dec 12 - 10:19 AM (#3450113) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Stilly River Sage What Stringsinger said. How the Mainstream Press Bungled the Single Biggest Story of the 2012 Campaign It's all part and parcel of the GOP general practice of lying about everything these days. SRS |
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10 Dec 12 - 11:33 AM (#3450142) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST "Will someone kindly show some evidence that Obama is seriously interested in reducing the anual (sic) deficit?" Okay, I will. fiscal year budget deficit 2009 1.4 trillion 2010 1.3 trillion 2011 1.3 trillion 2012 1.1 trillion Notice a trend? The numbers are readilly available from the CBO - go get them for yourself. http://www.cbo.gov/search/apachesolr_search/ |
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10 Dec 12 - 11:53 AM (#3450146) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: pdq Yes, please go to the CBO website. We are in Fiscal Year 2013 and have been since October 1. The Deficit in the first two months was $292 billion. At that rate, 2013 will be the worst Deficit year ever with $175.2 trillion. Yep, yer doing a hellava great job, Barry. |
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10 Dec 12 - 11:57 AM (#3450150) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Greg F. Got a crystal ball, have ya, PeeDee? Or just blowing the usual smoke? You're being a helluve jerk, PeeDee. By the way, you never addressed my post of 09 Dec 12 - 11:50 AM |
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10 Dec 12 - 02:30 PM (#3450218) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Check your arithmetic Peedee. Thats 1.75 trillion. 0.292 X 6 = 1.75 Don T. |
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10 Dec 12 - 02:32 PM (#3450219) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Don(Wyziwyg)T And that is using a very simplistic calculation. There is no way to sensibly predict that the other five two month periods will be the same or anywhere near. Don T. |
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10 Dec 12 - 03:27 PM (#3450233) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,TIA Typical right wing cherry pick. Ignore the totality of data and harp on one little piece whether it is representative or not. Thus, PDQ is willing to ignore the four-year trend and make a projection based on just the last six weeks of data. Funny how they use exactly the same tricks when debating climate change. Sure was chilly last night, so global warming must be a hoax! |
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12 Dec 12 - 05:38 AM (#3450852) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: sciencegeek well, the GOP is still playing their games with the nation. It is shameful behavior that gets rewarded by super pacs and right wing extremists NOT targeting the reelection of moderate, sane Republicans. Nobody said that democracy was easy. |
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13 Dec 12 - 03:15 AM (#3451251) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity This thing is getting so corny....and Boehner and Obama are trying so hard to nominated best actor this year, in the category of original screenplay fiction. Ever wonder what the guys who write this crap get paid....betcha' it's more than Hollywood..... GfS |
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13 Dec 12 - 01:21 PM (#3451435) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies As pointed out earlier in the thread, I think by Bill D, Boehner has to do what he's doing, so that when he finally caves in at the last minute, he can tell the base he did all he could do. Theatre, and not even very exciting, since you know the ending already. So on this topic we may as well take a nap until about 31 Dec. There are already indications that the Tea Party is about over---both defeats of some of their stalwarts and withdrawals by some others (e.g. DeMint.) Stay tuned for the GOP civil war--especially on the illegal immigration issue: there are enough sensible people in the GOP (e.g. Rubio, Jeb Bush) to realize that the Tea Party --Know Nothing stance on this is a ticket to political oblivion. |
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13 Dec 12 - 01:50 PM (#3451451) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies One more thing--a bit of dreaded thread creep, but still... At least even the absurd posturings on this topic have given rise to some creativity---have you heard about the fiscal cliff haikus? My favorite: Obama-Boehner 2 men enter 1 man leaves Apocalypse now |
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13 Dec 12 - 03:09 PM (#3451471) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity hey Ron...this isn't about just Boehner, being phony..it's about both of them diverting the attention from what is really going on... GfS |
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13 Dec 12 - 03:45 PM (#3451483) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies "what's really going on" It's clear there have to be rises in the rates for incomes over $250,000 per year. Especially since, despite the favorite mantra of the GOP, it turns out about 97% of owners of small businesses do in fact make less than $250,000 per year. It's not at all clear what cuts have to be made in social programs--if any. Or don't you agree? |
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13 Dec 12 - 04:31 PM (#3451505) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Stringsinger The "fiscal cliff" is a GOP dodge. It has no real meaning. Obama should have the guts to walk away from the ludicrous idea and let the GOP shoot themselves in the foot. There is the nonsense that what the GOP calls "entitlements" and I call "basic rights" that if not cut will bankrupt the country. This is the fear tactic the GOP always uses to hoard more money for the wealthy. Beohner and Graham and the rest of the Halloween scarecrows are making a power grab that will put them in bad stead with the public. Walk away, Obama and don't play that game. |
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13 Dec 12 - 09:30 PM (#3451591) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies "it has no real meaning". That's a rather large gamble. Financial markets are manic-depressive enough as it is---it's foolish to encourage it. And they do have an impact on the man in the street. Only clueless leftists would deny this. |
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13 Dec 12 - 09:31 PM (#3451593) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies But the real burning issue, of course, is what you all think of the fiscal cliff haiku, and whether you've seen any others. |
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13 Dec 12 - 10:50 PM (#3451616) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ebbie 8 Dec: "I thought you said in another post, quite a while ago, that you said you didn't play an instrument, or were a musician..I thought then, if I remember correctly, that you were instrumental in putting on, or contributing to the putting on of some musical events...in any event, HATS off to you!" GfS No, it wasn't I who said such a thing- I've been playing guitar for more than 60 years. I may have admitted that I'm nowhere as good at it as I should be. :) But yes, I am one of four people who 8 years ago started a monthly wintertime concert series. It's been a great success. And a joy. |
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13 Dec 12 - 11:16 PM (#3451624) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Ebbie: "I've been playing guitar for more than 60 years...." God bless you! I think maybe it was someone posted that about you, and I got that impression...(Good Lord, I've been victim of that myself). Hey, BTW, what kind of guitar do you play?..or own? Regards, GfS |
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13 Dec 12 - 11:22 PM (#3451631) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: JohnInKansas Recent public opinion poll. First Thoughts: GOP goes off the image cliff No comment. John |
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14 Dec 12 - 03:14 PM (#3451916) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Steve in Idaho The "Fiscal cliff" What a funny term to describe the legislation passed by these same legislators to ensure a balanced budget will happen in spite of their lunacy. Let'er rip says I - - |
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14 Dec 12 - 07:07 PM (#3452014) Subject: RE: BS: Fiscal Cliff & th GOP From: Ron Davies "let 'er rip". Not a good idea, for reasons cited just a few posts ago. Financial markets are not just somewhere else, and somebody else's problem. They can affect the man in the street--including clueless leftists. |
