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03 Nov 99 - 06:21 PM (#131461) Subject: Vanished like snow From: Micca Does anyone have the complete lyric for the song "Vanished like the snow" its been driving me nuts for several years on and off as the bloody tune squirrells in my head regularly. I heard it on a Sunday Teatime TV show in the mid 60's called Hallelujah. It was performed by Martin Carthy (and yes I've asked him and he can't remember it either). The other singers on the show which was "light Religous" were Sidney Carter (who wrote "Lord of the Dance") and a wonderful singer called Nadia Cattouse. There was an album of the same name released but I lent my copy and it did not return. What I can remember goes as follows: Vanished like the snow What became of Eloise? Abelard he was her lover Once they lived in sanguine ease where they've gone I can't discover where they've gone I can't discover all the time they come and they go (?missing line?) where the glory and their grace is when they vanish like the snow Joan came riding from Lorraine everybody knows the story England burned her in the rain theirs the shame and ours the glory theirs the shame and ours the glory Every body knows the story all the time they come and they go (?missing line?) where their glory and their grace is when they vanish like the snow
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03 Nov 99 - 11:06 PM (#131542) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: Pelrad LIKE THE SNOW written by Sydney Carter (Copyright controlled) Tell me where did Helen go This is where she had her dwelling She has vanished like the snow Where there is no way of telling This is where she had her dwelling All the while they come and they go Where there is no way of telling She has vanished like the snow What became of Heloise Abelard he was her lover Once they lived in Saint-Denis Where they're gone I can't discover Abelard he was her lover All the while they come and they go Where they've gone I can't discover They have vanished like the snow Joan came riding from the rain Everybody knows the story England burnt her in the rain Theirs the shame and hers the glory Everybody knows the story All the while they come and they go England's shame and France's glory When she vanished like the snow This is from the jacket notes on Solas's album, "Sunny Spells and Scattered Showers." I hope the fact that it is copyrighted material doesn't upset anyone... |
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04 Nov 99 - 04:32 AM (#131591) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: Micca Many thanks Pelrad, I am certain the first line of the last verse should be "from Lorraine" but a pint of what you fancy if we meet. Wrote some good songs, that Carter, for a Christian. |
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04 Nov 99 - 11:18 AM (#131706) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: Pelrad Oh, funny! That would make a lot more sense. I typed it just as it was in the jacket notes. Maybe this should be in the misheard lyrics thread. :-)
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13 Jan 10 - 05:50 AM (#2810746) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: GUEST This lyric set is full of "Mondegreens" ( as in Laid him on the green = Lady Mondegreen) It is a beautiful song. These words are from Lovely in the Dances. Vs 1- Here is where she had her dwelling Vs 2- "Notre dame to Saint Denis", and the last line is "She has vanished like the snow" Vs 3- " Joan came riding from Lorraine" and "England burnt her at Rouen", also "Theirs the shame and ours the glory" ( It is from a French poem) and finally She has vanished like the snow-same as other 2 verses. Vs 4-Where the time and where the place is, That is what I'd like to know. Where the glory and the grace is When they vanish like the snow. Hope that helps. |
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13 Jan 10 - 06:56 AM (#2810772) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: Richard Mellish > Vs 3- " Joan came riding from Lorraine" < Yes. > and "England burnt her at Rouen" < Whether or not that's the correct original as written by Carter, it doesn't rhyme. > also "Theirs the shame and ours the glory" ( It is from a French poem) < However the "theirs" and the "ours" are at best ambiguous, and at worst completely wrong for a song in English. I definitely prefer "England's shame and France's glory". There are few songs that can't benefit from a bit of folk processing. Richard |
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13 Jan 10 - 07:13 AM (#2810786) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like snow From: John MacKenzie It almost works, if you sing Law-wren for Lorraine, and Roo-ong For Rouen. Nearer to the proper pronounciation too. |
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24 Apr 12 - 06:51 PM (#3342814) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST I believe Carter's song is inspired by Francois Villon's Ballade des dames du temps jadis ("Ballad of the Ladies of Times Past")http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballade_des_dames_du_temps_jadis |
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25 Apr 12 - 09:28 AM (#3343033) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST,leeneia Thanks to all who helped with the posting of this interesting song. |
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25 Jan 13 - 12:05 PM (#3471269) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST,franco more likely Carter got the song from Brassens' modern sung version of Villon's 15th? century poem in Old French, which treat many more beauties than three-I heard it sung by Colin Reece of the 'wee bully boys' last night ( he was surprised to hear some of this info) |
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25 Jan 13 - 12:47 PM (#3471298) Subject: Lyr Add: LIKE THE SNOW (Sydney Carter) From: Reinhard Sydney (note spelling!) Carter's own album "Lovely in the Dances" has these lyrics in the liner notes: Tell me, where did Helen go? Here is where she had her dwelling. She has vanished like the snow - Where, there is no way of telling; Here is where she had her dwelling. All the while they come and they go - Where, there is no way of telling; She has vanished like the snow. What became of Heloise? Abelard - he was her lover - Notre Dame or Saint Denys; Where he went I can't discover. Abelard, he was her lover. All the while they come and they go - Where, there is no way of telling; She has vanished like the snow. Joan came riding from Lorraine - Everybody knows the story. England burnt her in Rouen; Theirs the shame and ours the glory, Everybody knows the story - All the while they come and they go - England's shame and France's glory, She has vanished like the snow. Where the time and where the place is - That is what I'd like to know, Where their glory and their grace is When they vanish like the snow. |
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25 Jan 13 - 12:54 PM (#3471301) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST,999 Lyrics to that and a few others at http://www.johndavies.org/SydneyCarter-talk.pdf |
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25 Jan 13 - 12:59 PM (#3471308) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST,999 Is the title for sure 'Vanished Like the Snow' and not "Like the Snow" ? |
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25 Jan 13 - 01:05 PM (#3471313) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Vanished like the Snow (Sidney Carter) From: GUEST,999 On the sleeve notes of 'Lovely in the Dances' it is entitled 'Like the Snow'. I don't know that anyone cares, but if so maybe amending the thread title and spelling Sydney correctly would help any others to locate the song.?? Yes, we care. Thanks for the correction. --One of the elves. |
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20 Jan 16 - 10:42 PM (#3767084) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Like the Snow (Sydney Carter) From: GUEST Would anyone care to explain the song to anAmerican? |
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21 Jan 16 - 04:33 AM (#3767118) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Like the Snow (Sydney Carter) From: GUEST,Dave Its clearly based upon Villon's poem, perhaps upon D. G. Rosetti's translation. If you want to know what Sydney Carter was thinking, the johndavies link above (page 10 of the pdf file) gives some idea. |
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21 Jan 16 - 11:44 AM (#3767210) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Like the Snow (Sydney Carter) From: GUEST,leeneia Well, Guest, I don't feel like doing any research, because that would just be about other peoples' opinions. I like my own opinions, and I'll share them with you, having read the verses. First of all, the people mentioned (Helen, Eloise and Abelard, Joan of Arc) are well-known to people who studied literature or French in college. Sydney Carter assumes you know about them as well. Second, I think the song is tied to tourism. Sydney is touring Europe, and he's been standing on a sites associated with these famous people. You know the kind of thing: you are on a street in Paris, and somebody tells you, "This is the house where Abelard lived." Or you visit a Greek island, and they say, "This is where Helen of Troy lived." So Sydney is thinking about these famous people and saying "All the while they come and they go - Where, there is no way of telling;" ================== I was visiting Paris in 1999, and the guidebook said the street I was on was noted because a monk with overly-liberal views was burned at the stake there. And I thought sarcastically, "That'll cheer me up!" Possibly Sydney had done too much touring, and the weight of human evil was weighing him down. Then he wrote this song. |
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21 Jan 16 - 06:40 PM (#3767284) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Like the Snow (Sydney Carter) From: GUEST,# ' The words of Like The Snow are based on a poem of François Villon, not a translation, but Sydney's own work based on the ideas in The Testament. François Villon was a 15th century French thief, killer, barroom brawler, vagabond and poet. The song, like the poem, takes true stories of history to make the point that all life is fleeting. The first in the song is Helen of Troy, the most beautiful woman in ancient Greece, abducted then rescued by her brothers. Then Pierre Abelard, 11th/12th century French theologian, expected to be celibate – as all scholars had to be, in the belief that sex addled the rational male mind – but who had a child with Heloise, his pupil, niece of the canon of Notre Dame Cathedral, who then punished Abelard with castration. The lovers became monk and nun, their bodies reunited only in the grave. Lastly, Jeanne d'Arc, 15th century Catholic visionary cross-dressing army leader, who turned the Hundred Years' War in France's favour, but was then burned at the stake for wearing men's clothes and claiming authority from God rather than the Catholic Church. The point of Villon's poem is in his asking where these famous people are now, followed by his refrain, "But where are the snows of last winter?" Sydney reflects this in his refrain, "She has" or "They have vanished like the snow." ' from http://earlymusicmuse.com/sydneycarter/ |
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21 Jan 16 - 06:57 PM (#3767287) Subject: where are the snows From: keberoxu "Où sont les neiges d'antan?" That's the line, isn't it -- in Villon's original. I recall reading Tennessee Williams' "The Glass Menagerie" for the first time. When Amanda Wingfield is carrying on, in the first act, the script says that the words "Où sont les neiges?" are supposed to be super-imposed on the set somewhere. Then Williams inserts a comment saying that Laurette Taylor was so riveting as Amanda that Williams dispensed with the projection of the Villon quote. This reminds me of a VERY silly funny story about L.B. Mayer told by Andre Previn, but this thread is not the place for it.... |
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22 Jan 16 - 06:03 AM (#3767349) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Like the Snow (Sydney Carter) From: GUEST,Dave Thanks to Guest,# for reminding me of the link to that excellent site (which I forgot to bookmark last time it was mentioned on here). |