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05 Apr 13 - 01:49 AM (#3499028) Subject: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion A drift on the "Atheists" thread led to my posting the following. I have always taken occasion when offered to denounce the now commonly made distinction between "football" and "rugby", when they are properly speaking called "Association football" and "Rugby football"; so the word "football" should in fact subsume them both [+ other forms like "American", "Gaelic", "Ozzie Rules", &c]. I suppose it too late now to beg and appeal for a return to the usages "rugger" & "soccer" to make the necessary distinction. But, unless & until that happens, the confusions and controversies inherent in the preceding posts will persist. I think it worth starting this new thread to ask if there is general agreement to this proposition; and, if so, can anything be done to restore the word 'football' to its proper usage as a general term subsuming several varieties of the game, rather than being applied by popular but IMO mistaken usage to only one form of the game, resulting in several evident confusions. ~M~ |
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05 Apr 13 - 01:55 AM (#3499031) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Rob Naylor I actually agree....my own poating was merely to get a rise out of olddude with my reference to American "football" actually being "Cissy Rugby". ....'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go....... |
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05 Apr 13 - 02:53 AM (#3499042) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: michaelr Yes, it certainly makes sense to call any number of completely different games by the same name because (insert your diabolical plot here). Let's just call them all the Same Name Game! |
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05 Apr 13 - 03:13 AM (#3499045) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave MacKenzie I agree entirely, though I suspect it's too late. The rot set in when the governing body of "London Rules" omitted any description of their game from their title (admittedly in those days they did try to unify all forms of the game under one code) and then proceed to produce a game bearing little resemblence to what had gone before, |
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05 Apr 13 - 03:31 AM (#3499049) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Ban Ki-Moon There's only one game played mainly with the feet and that is football To say other games, where you throw the ball about and punch each other, is the same, is daft and soccer is a crass American word |
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05 Apr 13 - 03:46 AM (#3499053) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor Seems English to me. etymology soccer (n.) Look up soccer at Dictionary.com 1889, socca, later socker (1891), soccer (1895), originally university slang (with jocular formation -er (3)), from a shortened form of Assoc., abbreviation of association in Football Association (as opposed to Rugby football); cf. rugger, but they hardly could have taken the first three letters of Assoc. |
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05 Apr 13 - 04:24 AM (#3499063) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: John MacKenzie I have yet to meet anybody in the UK, who confuses football, with rugby. |
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05 Apr 13 - 04:28 AM (#3499064) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave MacKenzie Football ahs been played in Europe for the best part of 2 milennia, though it was only in the 19th century with the invention of the inflatable football that modern Association Football became possible. If you look at the original FA laws of 1865, the game described is much closer to modern Aussie Rules than soccer, though the FA initially lost a lot of support by its proposed rule changes which eventually eliminated handling from their form of the game. |
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05 Apr 13 - 04:46 AM (#3499069) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Fanous Fiddler Football = game played and watched by dickheads. |
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05 Apr 13 - 05:16 AM (#3499073) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion Don't know how Guest BankiMoon could have thought it a US word: it's just that the Americans use it to distinguish it from their form of football. The name 'soccer', like 'rugger', originally derived from the C19 odd piece of Oxford slang by which words were shortened & the syllable '-er' added; not just for sports, but in such usages as a 'wagger-pagger-bagger' for a waste paper basket, or 'The Buller' for The Bullingdon Club. The feet are used in all forms of the game that use the term, even if not to such an extent as in the Association form. In most public schools in the late·C19-early·C20, 'football' meant the rugby form, as can be found from school stories by such writers as Talbot Baines Reid & Alec Waugh. The Harrow School song '40 Years On' refers to 'the tramp of the 22 men', but means the school's own traditional form of the game, not identical to soccer. There are, indeed, many variants of the game which include 'football' in the name; and it would ∴ surely be better to use a specific name for each, instead of, as is the current practice, using the blanket term for just one of its many forms, even if that is worldwide probably the most popular. ~M~ |
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05 Apr 13 - 05:22 AM (#3499079) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion I can never understand BTW why idiots like Guest Fanous sic Fiddler will persist in logging into threads on topics which will clearly not interest them, purely for the purpose of posting stupid and offensive animadvertory remarks. What a futile & foolish way to carry on! Should be ashamed of your silly self, Fiddler-not-so-Fanous. |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:07 AM (#3499085) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie Easy. Football is religion Rugby is rugby |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:18 AM (#3499090) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion Teehee. I would add, joking aside, that the situation was not helped early on by the naming of the responsible bodies as the Football Association [FA] & the Football League [FL], and the habit of clubs to end their names with FC [Football Club] rather than the much more accurate, but alas rarer, AFC. But I still think something might be done, even at this late stage. ~M~ |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:28 AM (#3499095) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu AHEM! In The Upper New World we got yer Yankee Football and yer Canuck Football. Unfortunately, one is forced by common usage to call football soccer unless one has the time to tell buddy what don't catch on when there is four feet of snow in the yard. For ye ferriners, allow me to briefly explain the difference between Yankee and Canuck Football. In the latter, we got bigger balls and bigger fields (pitches) and only three, as opposed to four, downs (chances to initiate play in an attempt to move (advance) the ball ten yards in order to gain another set of 3/4 downs). Other than that, the games (sports) are similar. Their rules are far more complicated than those of football and far less complicated than those of rugby, assuming, of course, anyone believes rugby actually has set rules which apply to all games. Add to that the fact that the rules of rugby vary by geographical location, many New Worlders know rugby by it's descriptive name "ripear", a shortened version of rip ears off, as in "Hey, wanna go rip some ears off?" |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:37 AM (#3499097) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Grishka It would make sense to have a short word for each of the most popular games, with their exact set of rules. (In some places "hockey" is ambiguous as well.) The reason why it does not happen seems to be the quasi-religious mindset of many sports fans. "There is no football but Football, and the XY Football Club is His prophet!" (Once I walked through a city in Germany together with an Irishman. We passed barracks of the US Army, displaying a timetable for religious services of various denominations, among these "Roman Catholic". My companion said: "This has been written by heretics, because there is only one Catholic church, without any qualifying adjective!" Well, there were little showcases where each denomination could make its own announcements, and surely enough, the priest of the said church used the words "Roman Catholic" several times!) My proposals for compromise: "kickball", "amball", and "ozball". Rugby is rugby and does not need any other word. For hockey: "stickball" and "icepuck". |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:42 AM (#3499099) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST, topsie I get confused when something ends in FC because I tend to think it will be a folk club. I get even more confused when listening to news summaries, or even sports reports, when there is an item about "the World Cup" - I never know whether it is football, of whatever variety, or tennis, or golf, or cricket, or hockey ... ... |
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05 Apr 13 - 07:24 AM (#3499105) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu We got hockey and we got field hockey. The latter is played by large, burly contestants who viciously attack opponents attemting to make a play. The former is played on ice. As for hockey, we got hockey, street hockey (proper name shinny which speaks to the fact that shin pads are only used by sissies who can't "stop the puck* first and worry about the pain later"), ringette and another that gave birth to ringette that I cannot recall the name of. * Shinny, mostly played by males, is played most properly with a tennis ball which has been "deflated" by being pierced with a nail. The reason for nailing is to preclude spending half of the game chasing the ball way far down the street past the two chunks of snow which denote the net (goal). Regarding rules, these vary by neighbourhood and each player is a referee. The head referee is usually the biggest kid playing at the time but this position can be challenged by any kid with superior pugilistic skills or who has a really good looking sister(s). |
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05 Apr 13 - 08:21 AM (#3499120) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: John MacKenzie Never said what he was famous for fiddling with. I suspect he wears specs ;) |
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05 Apr 13 - 08:35 AM (#3499123) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Lighter A silly and pointless discussion. The current usage of "football" is well established and rarely ambiguous. Indeed, all the games mentioned are "forms of football" in the generic sense, but that doesn't mean that each game must have its own unique designation to enable people to understand one another. If somebody says, "I like football," and you don't know what they mean, you can ask. But ordinarily the drift of the conversation will make quite clear just which game is meant. Absolute precision in language can be just as annoying and distracting as utter carelessness. If I say, "I favor democracy," nobody is likely to ask, "Do you mean American democracy or Greek? Or Parliamentry? Or perhaps you favor the kind of People's Democracy currently practiced in North Korea? Just what *do* you mean, anyway? You doof!!" They're unlikely to ask, because the context will likely have made it clear enough. |
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05 Apr 13 - 09:06 AM (#3499134) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: artbrooks Personally, I don't pay a lot of attention to football, much less all of those other games you east-of-the-ponders play. |
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05 Apr 13 - 09:09 AM (#3499137) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: olddude Well American football (my beloved Steelers) is mainly a running and passing game with little kicking so I have no clue as how the name got started |
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05 Apr 13 - 09:12 AM (#3499138) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Richard Bridge I agree with MtheGM's opening post even if it was he who posted it. I also agree with the Fanny-Fiddler, so maybe we could agree a common term for all games (possibly excepting squash, lawn tennis, and real tennis) that involve impacting a moving ball - I suggest "moronball" or "wankball". This could include table-tennis, and the various overhead games the objective of which seems to be to break the opponent's nose, like basketball, volleyball, netball, and lacrosse. Also included would be cricket, rounders, and baseball. I am undecided whether to amend the definition to include golf. Badmington could become "wankfeather" |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:05 AM (#3499155) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave the Gnome One should be called Fotgast (fall on the ground and scream theatricaly) while the other could be Copwyem (Carry on playing with your ear missing) I'll let you guess which is which :-) DtG |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:08 AM (#3499159) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave the Gnome Maybe the US version could be Bubwa (big ugly buggers wearing armour)? |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:10 AM (#3499161) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MikeL2 Hi Ooop here in't North we have have 3 games !! (Association) Football, Rugby Union Football and Rugby League Football. Whilst I agree with Michael and others that shortening the names would be a useful idea and "soccer" might prevail for (Association) Football, and rugger for Rugby Union; I can't see any of the Rugby League fraternity accepting rugger. Around here we tend to use Football for Association, Rugby for Rugby Union and League for Rugby League. This last week I have been lucky enough to go and watch all three types. I saw a sparkling Rugby League match between Wigan and Saint Helens. Fantastic exciting fare with some breathtaking tries. Then I saw my beloved Manchester United beat Sunderland in a one-sided contest that amazingly came out only as 1-0. Not United at their best. I also went to watch Sale Sharks play London Irish. Millenniums ago I used to play for Sale. We weren't sharks then!!! It was a frantic game built on many mistakes where the final result was 33-33. Phew!! Exciting but not what you might call classy rugby. Regardless of what they are called the games were all well watched and the spectators and followers of all the teams enjoyed the matches. The winners a little more than the losers perhaps. Cheers MikeL2 |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:12 AM (#3499162) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Grishka Lighter: A silly and pointless discussion.In other words, BS as BS can. The earth is round, water is wet, and snow is cold. Those who say "I favor democracy" usually mean "... that's why I ought to be emperor." |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:14 AM (#3499167) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MikeL2 Hi PS to my above Somebody once said " Rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen and Football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans. Cheers MikeL2 |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:21 AM (#3499168) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Bee-dubya-ell In person-to-person conversation, there's little room for ambiguity where "football" is concerned. If you're conversing with a friend, the two of you know exactly what game you're talking about. Confusion only arises when the word is used by the media and, even then, it's fairly easy to decode. If the announcer sounds like he's from Nebraska, he's talking American football. If he sounds like he's from Leeds, he's talking "soccer". |
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05 Apr 13 - 12:16 PM (#3499212) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Bill D In the early 20th century, American 'football' included much more kicking and very little throwing. It was mostly running and tackling with kicking as a main tactic.... so 'football' was a better term than 'runball'. English/European football was barely known here till after we all got 'better acquainted' during WWI & WWII. Thus, 'soccer' was simply a convenient term to distinguish the topic.. there is little confusion about which game is meant, even when certain parties object to it. We in America have a very low participation in forms of Rugby and Australian football, and no sports discussion which begins with the word 'football' will have to define terms. Sarcastic complaints about which sport really deserves the name are silly, as it is only in places like thread titles in forums where it needs clarification. |
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05 Apr 13 - 12:27 PM (#3499217) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion Not a matter of any sport 'deserving' the name of 'football' tout simple. It is just that formulations like "Rugby or football" are gross taxonomical errors; and, as one whose 'pedantry is legendary' (friend on another forum: have I by any chance happened to mention it before?), I cannot abide taxonomical errors; they make my flesh creep! ~M~ |
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05 Apr 13 - 02:39 PM (#3499270) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Ban Ki-Moon Calling a sport a name based on the corruption of the word that discribes it's organisation is pretty stupid It's like calling the United Nations - the nits Hey; it could work Soccer is a poncy word used by americans, intellectuals and ball carriers who hate sharing the word football |
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05 Apr 13 - 02:45 PM (#3499275) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave Hanson Footbal - a game for rough girls. [ Wilde ] Dave H |
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05 Apr 13 - 02:46 PM (#3499276) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave Hanson BALL ffs. |
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05 Apr 13 - 03:19 PM (#3499290) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Ban Ki-Moon Do you often say Balls to the Secretary General of the United Nations? |
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05 Apr 13 - 06:47 PM (#3499341) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor In Canuck Football we got bigger balls. Isn't that enough to say? ;-) Gnu, where I grew up "shinny" was played on skates on a frozen pond or harbour, street hockey with a ball on the street, ball hockey on a very nice flat field not far from the house, or at the abandoned candy factory. We also played ball hockey in the student center gym at Memorial University. Everyone, especially the Brits, No point pissing and moaning about trying to make a word common usage in another country. Now excuse me I need to go to the loo, I mean bathroom or restroom but not to take a bath or rest. |
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05 Apr 13 - 09:02 PM (#3499378) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu MtheGM... I hear ya. Just wanna say, everyone else does too. "A silly and pointless discussion." Yeah, so what? "possibly excepting squash"? SAYWHAT? Richard!!!! DUH!!!!???? I am simply ahghast! SQUASH? Doesn't EVERYone know of the ULTIMATE sport requiring more physical prowess than ANY other? How dare you even mention squash within a thread about the sports of mere mortals? Unless yer talkin about trash squash... that there blue dot an shit. Yellow dot or die says I.... iffin ya can't yellow dot yer squat! And, I learned ta play Yellow Dot Squash Canuck Rules. Let? Hahahaha! Fuck that! Ya block the ball or hog the court, ya get knocked down or a nasty bruise in the back from a Yellow Dot goin a millon miles per hour. LET that be yer lesson! |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:12 PM (#3499390) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor I play "goodminton" because there is nothing "bad" about a game with shuttlecocks! |
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05 Apr 13 - 10:36 PM (#3499398) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu We were poor, JtS. We didn't have ponds or harbours or fields or factories. Alls we had was an old tennis ball and a nail and the desire to get to the NHL. We made our sticks outta alders. One year, we lost our sticks in a snow an couldn't play hockey fer near over a whole year... them alders is tough ta whittle down, eh. |
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06 Apr 13 - 05:23 AM (#3499461) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Peter I have yet to meet anybody in the UK, who confuses football, with rugby. I have always wondered when the distinction came about, sometime in the 30s or 40s possibly? Wodehouse has a sub-plot in one of his novels where there is confusion and I have children's books from the early 20th century in my collection where "football" involves a team of fifteen. |
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06 Apr 13 - 06:12 AM (#3499480) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave Sutherland MikeL2 The way I heard it was:- Association Football - a game for gentlemen played by hooligans Rugby Union - a game for hooligans played by gentlemen Rugby League - a game for hooligans played by hooligans. Posted just before I become a dickhead and go to watch Forest v Blackpool |
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06 Apr 13 - 07:27 AM (#3499508) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu SOB!!! First game on TV today is West Bromwich Albion FC vs. Arsenal FC. Second game is not a game! It's BASEBALL! A pasttime, at best. Oh, woe is I. Oh, wounded heart! Maybe I'll get some housework done. |
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06 Apr 13 - 07:31 AM (#3499510) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor Oh baseball is a game. Monopoly is a game. Baseball is not a sport. Or Darts or curling or Golf... |
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06 Apr 13 - 12:51 PM (#3499643) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion "I have children's books from the early 20th century in my collection where "football" involves a team of fifteen."... .,,. Indeed, Peter. It cannot be stressed enough that school stories like The Loom Of Youth [Alec Waugh 1917] used 'football' to mean 'rugby'. In that book, the hero Gordon Carruthers, who had been regarded as a good footballer at his prep school, in his first rugby game at his senior school, takes a flying kick at the ball which results in a try for the other team. "You bloody little fool," another of his team says to him' "for God's sake none of your soccer tricks here!" So there is evidence of 'soccer' used quite early [see my view, 5 Apr 5.16 am of its origin in the Oxford '-er' slang of the late C19, which I derived from the work of the etymolgist & linguistician John Honey], in contrast to 'football' being used generically for rugby. ~M~ |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:13 PM (#3499658) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion 'As late as 1972 the retired headmaster of a Hertfordshire grammar school recalled "the footer" (by which he meant rugby) having had a poor season in 1953–4.' from wiki entry on '"Oxford "-er" (qv) |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:19 PM (#3499664) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion The full ref for above quote given in wiki is ~~ Ernest H. Jenkins, Elizabethan Headmaster 1930–1961 |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:30 PM (#3499670) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Grishka Team games involving physical skills are probably the most successful invention of mankind to bring about civilization and to prevent wars. Much more successful than art and religion, still not entirely successful. In some societies, a man's game must (or had to) involve the risk of spilling blood, and in "soccer" this risk was considered too small. Still, those of us who rightly criticize the moral and cultural "degeneration" of sports games nowadays, should compare it to the wars of youth gangs, and have some respect. |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:36 PM (#3499674) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MikeL2 Hi Dave I never heard the bit about the Rugby League description, but I don't doubt you at all. But I would question the "watched by hooligans " phrase. I have watched many League games for many seasons and though the game itself can be rough, the spectators and fans are among the best behaved and knowledgeable I have met. They are more like a family and welcome anyone who wants to join them. Of course they argue about their favourite team but in my experience they are never vicious. I see Notts Forest drew with Blackpool - not good enough if they are to qualify for the play-offs eh? Regards Mikel2 |
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06 Apr 13 - 01:53 PM (#3499681) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Robbo Who are 'Notts Forest'? |
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06 Apr 13 - 02:51 PM (#3499695) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave MacKenzie I was in the company of a large piece of silverware today, which bore an inscription including the waords "Northern Rugby Football Union Challenge Cup". |
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07 Apr 13 - 06:29 AM (#3499970) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Dave Sutherland Mike, I didn't use the "watched by" phrase; as I undestand it both codes of Rugby attract exemplary supporters. Yes a disappointing result for Nottingham Forest yesterday but Blackpool came to frustrate and succceeded. We're still in the play offs however!! |
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07 Apr 13 - 09:46 AM (#3500025) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST The American game of football is misnamed simply because it doesn't use a ball. A ball is defined as a spheroid or ovoid. The American football does not meet either criteria. It is a kind of 3D vesica piscis. Since vesica is Latin for bladder, I propose that the NFL change its name to the NBL--National Bladder League. Monday Night Football will just be Monday Night Bladder. Varsity bladder, touch bladder, flag bladder, powder puff bladder, NCAA bladder, bladder team, bladder helmet. |
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07 Apr 13 - 12:18 PM (#3500068) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Use of the word 'football'....a guy with little hands trying to 'pleasure his wife'?? GfS |
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08 Apr 13 - 06:30 AM (#3500387) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu Guest... hehehee! And, the TV update shows of gameday results would be Bladder Blather? |
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08 Apr 13 - 07:09 AM (#3500393) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor Bladder Blabber might be more fun to say. |
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08 Apr 13 - 07:19 AM (#3500396) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: MGM·Lion And, bearing in mind Damon Runyon's NY word for a newspaper, would The Sun on Wednesday name itself 'The Bladder Blatter'? ~M~ |
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08 Apr 13 - 08:50 PM (#3500710) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: olddude Well I played the game, a wide receiver and I can assure you I caught many a foot in the balls upon being tackled ... so hence the name I think |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:34 AM (#3592914) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu Watch Football! |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:42 AM (#3592918) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Musket I suppose the vast majority of the world doesn't confuse football with American Health and Safety pastiche of rugby. I know rounders when I see it for that matter. Sheffield Wednesday Football Club. Est. 1867. (The clue is in the title.) Up the Owls! (Man with all his own teeth is looking for like minded football fans, preferably from Leeds in order to point and laugh at them. SWALK) |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:34 AM (#3592970) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Big Ballad Singer trying to cut down on cook An acquaintance once explained that (in the American game) the majority of the plays involve use of the hands, not feet. The object possessed by the team is not a ball, it's rather an egg. Perhaps, then, the US game should be called "Handegg". |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:40 AM (#3592972) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Jack the Sailor It is a similar egg to the rugby egg and the Australian rules football egg. Why don't you go into a pub full of drunken rugby men and tell them they ought to call their game "eggby", then tell the Aussies to change their game to eggball down under? |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:50 AM (#3592978) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu Hahahahaa |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:06 PM (#3592984) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Nigel Parsons While we're putting the world to rights on the terminology of soccer, can we correct the idea that Cardiff won the FA Cup in 1927. Cardiff won the English Cup in that year. As Cardiff is not in England the Football Association decided that the competition needed to be re-named (for future tournaments). So names in soccer can be changed. The 'World Cup' was also re-named The Jules Rimet Trophy (but it never really caught on) |
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17 Jan 14 - 07:21 PM (#3593111) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,michaelr No, BBS, none of the "balls" referred to are egg-shaped; rather, they are shaped like quenelles (or suppositories). |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:14 AM (#3593150) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: J-boy Could the "foot" in American Football refer to a unit of measurement,perhaps? |
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18 Jan 14 - 06:03 AM (#3593191) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: gnu One knee equals two feet. |
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18 Jan 14 - 01:40 PM (#3593333) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Q (Frank Staplin) Rumor- The NFL will sue the Football Assn. in England and related bodies aimed at making them desist from use of the term "football" for the non-contact game otherwise known as "soccer." |
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18 Jan 14 - 07:07 PM (#3593394) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Nigel Parsons A quick 'google; gives a start date for The Football Association as 1863 A similar google for NFL gives a start date of 1869. Any attempt by NFL to sue the FA for use of the word 'football' would surely fail. |
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18 Jan 14 - 07:33 PM (#3593398) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: Q (Frank Staplin) The current professional NFL resulted in 1922 from a re-organization of the American Professional Football Assn. (1869 was the date of a collegiate Rutgers-Princeton soccer type football game.) |
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19 Jan 14 - 12:19 AM (#3593437) Subject: RE: BS: Use of the word 'football' From: GUEST,Stim NFL "Futbal Americano" as it has been called in other countries, seems to be catching on in your UK. You, of course, have our greatest sympathy. There will, I understand, be three regular season NFL games at Wembley in 2014, and there is talk of having the Super Bowl there at some point, as well as moving an American NFL team to London (we like to say "NFL", and we say it a lot). The rise of the NFL as a fixture in American Culture has been seen to parallel the rise in the culture of American "Military Might", and not just humorously. So much for Grishka's idea that it is a substitute for military conflict. It seems more to be a celebration of it. The "Game" is more or less a confrontation of brute force, with armored bodies slamming against each other . Many professional players have suffered multiple Traumatic Brain Injuries while playing the game, and the New York Times reports that at least 50 kids, High School age and younger, have been killed in competition since 1997. And then of course, there are Super Bowl Parties... |