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17 Jan 14 - 09:51 AM (#3592937) Subject: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor I wish Salon was making this up. According to this article you can get a voucher in Jindal land to send your kid to school to learn this stuff. |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:17 AM (#3592962) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: gnu Can't find the article right off. |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:25 AM (#3592964) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: SINSULL Now all we need is proof of Nessie. |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:32 AM (#3592967) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor http://www.salon.com/2014/01/17/noahs_ark_had_baby_dinosaurs_5_christian_fundamentalist_teachings_that_are_totally_insane_partner/ here is the link. the clicky maker doesn't work. |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:35 AM (#3592971) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor Yes Sinsull. The article is about "text book" makers who basically say that some famous hoaxes and scientific errors are proof that evolution did not take place. |
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17 Jan 14 - 11:59 AM (#3592980) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST Create the facts, create the text and there ya are. Creationism 101. |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:10 PM (#3592985) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor Hmmm, a salient observation but.... They didn't create the facts. They didn't manufacture the hoaxes. They are simply building on the lies of others. That's why I found the article noteworthy. Creationism 102 (201?): The conservation of B.S. |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:28 PM (#3592991) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: gnu Good one, GUEST. |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:45 PM (#3592997) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST Hey, gnu. |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:45 PM (#3592998) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Musket I suppose you could read it as saying myths such as Nessie prove the origins of creationism? Anyway, we are too close to the Scottish independence vote to comment unduly on the evidence for Nessie. Their whole yes campaign is based on the tourist income from Nessie, tartan clan fodder and deep fried Mars Bars. You could start a run on the markets, questioning the Loch Ness Monster. |
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17 Jan 14 - 12:57 PM (#3593005) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor Maybe they can get these guys creationmuseum.org to open a branch in Drumnadrochit? |
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17 Jan 14 - 01:02 PM (#3593007) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Stu Scientific evidence for creationism = none Scientific evidence for Nessie = none There's a theme developing here . . . |
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17 Jan 14 - 01:31 PM (#3593023) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST Bit odd innit ? how the country most famous for distilling strong alcohol, is also world renowned for people seeing 'huge monsters' in a very big pond ??? But, then again, don't creationists also place great faith in powerful 'spirits' ??? |
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17 Jan 14 - 02:35 PM (#3593038) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: JohnInKansas The link (I don't use the link maker.) John |
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17 Jan 14 - 06:01 PM (#3593088) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Lighter What makes it Extra Stupid is they could have at least used a real animal, like the coelacanth or the tuatara. Which apparently they've never heard of. Science agrees that these creatures seem not to have evolved in many tens of millions of years (I mean the animals, not the Creationists.) Interesting. But how that would prove or even suggest in the face of endless other data that *nothing else* has evolved beats me. |
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17 Jan 14 - 06:12 PM (#3593093) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor Their idea of Nessie is that Noah carried baby dinos on the ark. presumibly fish were immune to the flood. But seven miles of rainwater covering all the mountains didn't kill all the saltwater fish of course The whole world wasn't then soaked on brackish water as it all drained away into the great saltwater caverns! That idea would be CRAZY! |
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17 Jan 14 - 06:29 PM (#3593098) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST "Science agrees that these creatures seem not to have evolved in many tens of millions of years (I mean the animals, not the Creationists.)" Seems to me the Creationists haven't, either. |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:13 PM (#3593119) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Bill D If you know what conclusion you **need** to justify your pre-formed beliefs, any premises will get you there- even if you have to invent them. from false premises, anything follows. A basic principle of reasoning. This is not an opinion, it is a corollary extracted from standard logic. |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:23 PM (#3593120) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: catspaw49 Jack I think meant to link to this insane corollary extracted from standard (possibly substandard with these folks but...***sigh***) logic: How it never was but they know better! Or World History from Fred Flintsone....... Spaw |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:31 PM (#3593125) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: catspaw49 Please note the Bill Nye event will be streamed and also on YouTube for free later. This joint is only maybe 140 miles but right now that can be too much depending on where I'm at in the chemo cycle. Beside I wouldn't pay this numbnuts a dime to fund his Fantasyland.....I'll see the YouTube. Spaw |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:56 PM (#3593130) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Lighter What makes the Nessie example so fabulous is that it uses a logically absurd premise ("If one species hasn't evolved, no species can have evolved") plus three - er - highly dubious assumptions ("Nessie is a real animal, Nessie is probably a plesiosaur, and Nessie has not evolved"). And the rocket logicians come to what they claim is a sound and perfectly obvious conclusion. The anti-Darwinist claim I heard in the '70s was much more straightforward: "Evolution can't be true because chimps today look just like the ones I saw when I was a kid." At least chimps are real. For sure. |
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17 Jan 14 - 08:58 PM (#3593131) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Joe Offer I don't know about Nessie and the Bible, despite my degree in Theology; but I get the impression that Nessie is Big Business in Scotland. I didn't see a live monster, but I saw at least four Nessie statues (3 adults and one youngster) in the lovely town of Fort August, at the southwest end of Loch Ness. Can't argue with business, can you? -Joe- |
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17 Jan 14 - 09:27 PM (#3593136) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: catspaw49 Well Lighter my friend, when you only have a bit over 6000 years to work with there ain't much time for evolvin' what with having to fight all them wars and such. Spaw |
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18 Jan 14 - 05:33 AM (#3593182) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Allan C. A quick glance at the thread title led me to be expecting some new and/or improved method of Nessie-proofing my home. |
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18 Jan 14 - 06:35 AM (#3593202) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Pete Jennings We stopped by Loch Ness a few years ago but we didn't see Nessie. There again, we didn't see much of anything given that it was raining stair rods at the time... |
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18 Jan 14 - 10:50 AM (#3593266) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor "expecting some new and/or improved method of Nessie-proofing my home. " avoid certain drugs and eating too much before bedtime. |
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18 Jan 14 - 11:11 AM (#3593270) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,leeneia I read a book about Nessie once. The year the first report appeared (nebulous as it was), a crew had been tarring the road along Loch Ness and tossing the empty black tar barrels into the loch. It is likely that those black barrels, bobbing on the waves and seen through the mist, evolved into the familiar arcs of Nessie's back. IIRC, that was 1934. As for the creationists, the main purpose of their ideas is to get publicity for their group, and by posting about them on the Internet, you are helping them. Is that what we really want? Jack: good advice. |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:13 PM (#3593294) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST Nessie doesn't exist because Nessie CAN'T exist. |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:22 PM (#3593299) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Nessie Just goes to show what you know, guest. |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:25 PM (#3593302) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Eliza I had a most tasty boyfriend called David when I lived in Glasgow. He liked to sail on Loch Ness and took me with him often. We never ever saw anything like Nessie, but then, I got seasick after about five minutes and spent the time on the water trying to look sexy while turning the colour of pea soup. Probably wouldn't have noticed if Nessie had laid her head on my lap! |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:39 PM (#3593306) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor >> As for the creationists, the main purpose of their ideas is to get publicity for their group, and by posting about them on the Internet, you are helping them. Is that what we really want?<< True but I don't think our talking about it here will affect them much. |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM (#3593311) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Nessie Perhaps your talking won't affect anybody much period? (Mmfffffmm!! Come on Musket lad, lift your arms and try to get out of this infernal Nessie costume. He's a sailor, he ain't going to fall for a fictitious character having adherents convincing everyone he is real..... Oh.) Out of interest, why do I get the feeling I was in drag? Is it me or does everyone assume Nessie is a she? |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:50 PM (#3593313) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Greg F. Its a shame Nye - who I like and respect very much - agreed to "debate" this lunatic. All that does is legitimize creationist lunacy. |
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18 Jan 14 - 12:57 PM (#3593317) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Now what makes me think this is aimed at me? We did not see Nessie either when we went there, though we did do the sticker on the boat glas photo thing to look like it was there. Just for the record , I dunno if its there or not, but I do know the evidence from dino bones supports them being around a lot less than the 65 myo story, and I would not be surprised if dinos did get discovered in some deep dark jungle. I have heard of a number of so called evolutionary stasis organisms, and I reckon that is evidence that mud to man evolution did not happen. Of course they could always demonstrate that it did happen.....but still waiting! And I should add that mockery may be a useful propaganda and intimidation tool, but lousy science. |
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18 Jan 14 - 01:05 PM (#3593322) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor I didn't aim anything at you pete. I have no reason to believe that you are affiliated with "text book" producers in the USA. On the other hand... >>that mud to man evolution did not happen. Of course they could always demonstrate that it did happen. <<< The Bible says it happened. New International Version Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. What is mud but dust and water? |
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18 Jan 14 - 01:27 PM (#3593328) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: catspaw49 Also Jack, that would be a real mess! Hey wait......sounds like "man"...........maybe the Creationists are right! Spaw |
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18 Jan 14 - 02:52 PM (#3593358) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor I think that the idea that man is the pinnacle of evolution or creation is a bit egotistical. The Bible is of Man and for Man. So are the Biology texts. |
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18 Jan 14 - 10:26 PM (#3593424) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST Nah.. definitely not man: ... the pinnacle of evolution or creation has just got to be women's titties !!! |
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19 Jan 14 - 03:25 AM (#3593456) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Musket That should be pinnacles, not pinnacle. Like the animals, they often come two by two. The pinnacle of evolution is subjective. Wayne Rooney is possibly the cutting edge product as a footballer but they don't call him Shrek for nothing. |
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19 Jan 14 - 06:05 AM (#3593484) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,Eliza Out of interest, is it understood that Noah obligingly took on board his ark viruses and baccilli (eg HIV, 'flu, Ebola, tuberculosis, bubonic plague, syphilis, cholera, typhus, malaria etc)? If so, how thoughtful of him, but maybe, on reflection, he should have jettisoned them before landing on Ararat. Pity the Bible isn't too clear on this point. |
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17 Mar 14 - 11:00 PM (#3610479) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: GUEST,GUEST They deep-fry Mars bars in Scotland??!! How can there be a God if such things are allowed to happen? |
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18 Mar 14 - 04:50 AM (#3610510) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Jack the Sailor Oh the Secular Humanity!! |
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18 Mar 14 - 01:41 PM (#3610638) Subject: RE: BS: Nessie Proof of Creation. From: Bill D They deep-fry almost anything somewhere. There's an entire restarant sub-culture devoted to finding some new combination of |