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05 Jun 14 - 08:32 AM (#3630498) Subject: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Howard Jones "Today bright Phoebus she smiled down on me for the very first time..." Lal Waterson's song seems to refer to the sun, and the album sleeve also suggests this. However Phoebus was another name for the Greek sun god Apollo, and male. So was this a simple mistake on Lal's part, perhaps thinking of the woman's name Phoebe (a different classical reference), or a feminist statement, or something else? I've just received a newsletter from the Sheffield Bright Phoebus club with this phrase as its tagline, and it never fails to irritate my inner pedant. Great song though. |
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05 Jun 14 - 10:11 AM (#3630521) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: GUEST,leeneia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mivxQR8MoNU The lead singer is male, and he's definitely singing 'she.' It's just one of those things. Stuff happens. |
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05 Jun 14 - 10:23 AM (#3630523) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Dave Hanson This is what Lal wrote, so live with it. everyone else does. Dave H |
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05 Jun 14 - 10:23 AM (#3630524) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: selby It may have been Mike Waterson wrote Bright Phoebus see link below http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/10/bright-phoebus-waterson-toured-hawley-cocker-album |
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05 Jun 14 - 10:40 AM (#3630527) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: GUEST,Ed No 'maybe' Selby. Whilst the record label simply credits it to 'Waterson', the sleeve is clear in its assignation to 'Mike Waterson' Given that Phoebus simply means 'radiant', I don't really see the need for the term to be male, or insist on the Apollo connection. The sun has often be described as being female anyway: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity#Male_and_female Just enjoy a very fine song... |
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05 Jun 14 - 12:52 PM (#3630551) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Steve Gardham You said it yourself, Howard, pedant. Mike didn't have a degree in classics and neither did Lal, but we didn't seem to think it necessary at the time! |
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05 Jun 14 - 01:21 PM (#3630559) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: selby Why does Howard want to be a pendant? Keith |
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05 Jun 14 - 03:28 PM (#3630572) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Dave Hanson My apologies. |
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05 Jun 14 - 04:33 PM (#3630583) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Howard Jones Oh I can live with it, and it grates much less in the song than seeing it down in print. I just wondered if there was anything more to it, or whether as Leenia says it's just one of those things. Ed is right about the meaning, but the phrase 'bright Phoebus' is common in English literature and invariably refers to the sun, alluding to Phoebus Apollo, and takes the male pronoun. I'd always thought it was one of Lal's songs rather than Mike's, I'm happy to be corrected. I didn't buy the album when it came out, being rather too snobbishly traddy at the time, something I now rather regret. It's a true classic with some great songs. |
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05 Jun 14 - 04:59 PM (#3630588) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Steve Gardham 'being rather too snobbishly traddy at the time, something I now rather regret'. Me too I have to admit. Fortunately my wife didn't share my snobbishness. |
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05 Jun 14 - 07:53 PM (#3630627) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Tom Phoebus was a starting pitcher in major league baseball. In 1968, he threw a no-hitter. Surely bright Phoebus. |
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05 Jun 14 - 08:46 PM (#3630635) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: GUEST,Guest So Q! Er? A no-hitter means absolutely nothing to the vast majority of people on this (east) side of the pond. Being interested in sport as a healthy recreation I can probably guess what the phrase means and to be honest it is a much more interesting topic than trying to second guess what two lovely, but no longer with us, people might of meant, whichever of them was responsible for a great song of its time. DOH. |
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05 Jun 14 - 08:51 PM (#3630638) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: GUEST,Jack Sprocket By the bloomin' cringe, if Bright Phoebus smiles on you, you know what it means. She did for me, a long time ago, and I'l never forget it. |
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06 Jun 14 - 07:40 AM (#3630752) Subject: RE: Today bright Phoebus she smiled down? From: GUEST,leeneia You're sweet, Jack. I'm sure that's exactly what the song means, too. Nobody's mentioned that the song has a very lovely tune. |